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NBA 2K21 Next-Gen Gameplay Video with the Developers - New Game Modes & Features to be Revealed Thursday

2K has revealed almost 4 minutes of NBA 2K21 next-gen gameplay footage today, featuring the Golden St. Warriors vs. New Orleans Pelicans. Executive producer Erick Boenisch and gameplay director Mike Wang provide the commentary over the footage, providing a closer look at some of the new advancements brought on by the arrival of next-gen hardware.

Some of the highlights include:

  • Lightning-Fast Load Times: By utilizing the built-in solid-state drives (SSDs) of the next-gen consoles, NBA 2K21 now features incredibly short load times that get players directly into the action;
  • Closer to the Real Basketball than Ever: Next-gen advancements around movement, impact, shooting, dribbling and more lead to an NBA 2K experience that blurs the line between game and reality;
  • The Arena Comes to Life: A new standard of crowd interactivity has been established in NBA 2K21, thanks to the more than 150 AI-powered characters populating the Lower Bowl of the arena;
  • New Perspective to the Game: The dynamic new Rail Cam presentation transports the player to the hardwood floors, providing a full view of the game and highlights the incredible visual fidelity of the players and arena.

The next-gen version of NBA 2K21 features two separate commentary teams. In addition to the current cast of Kevin Harlan, Greg Anthony and David Aldridge, players will also hear games cast by Brian Anderson (play-by-play), Grant Hill (color commentator) and Allie LaForce (sideline reporter), keeping the overall commentary experience fresh. Great analysis will still be provided by special guests which include Doris Burke, Steve Smith, Chris Webber, Brent Barry and Clark Kellogg and more.

This Thursday, 2K will reveal new game modes and features exclusive to the next-gen version of NBA 2K21 and further down the road, a full unveil of NBA 2K’s online basketball community feature that replaces the experience known as the Neighborhood.

NBA 2K21 will release globally on Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S on November 10. The game releases on November 12 for PlayStation 5, here in the United States, as well as Canada, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea. The rest of the PlayStation 5 world will see it on November 19.

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  1. 2k21 current gen has me to the point that all I am looking at is ball tangibility, rebounding, and help defense.
    Hopefully being able to call our own help defense real time will alleviate the help defense issue. Because, when Curry drove the lane, Favors ran on the opposite side of Chris
    I know that they wanted to show off the move on the baseline by BI, but I wish the person who was controlling Chriss would have challenged up on that shot.
    The Draymond/Zion interaction at the rim was the best think in the clip for me. Also If there was any warping going on in the game then it was very subtle because I didn't notice it
    The defense was the worst part but that's to be expected with 3 minutes of gameplay hopefully they are playing on a easier difficulty.
    Overall it looks nice with the camera and the pre game atmosphere.
    That’s current gen gameplay with next gen graphics. Animations clip together much smoother, but it’s still bad animation mocap overall. Ball handling is too loose & park-like. Almost every single aspect of team & individual defense is broken as it relates to NBA basketball.
    Should be a fun game in Park & Pro-Am though. Happy to wait until 2K22.
    Current gen is a great looking game to me. The next gen is that much better. That out the way, the Zion contact dunk and having another crew will add tremendously to presentation. I bet the Kevin Harlan crew is basically going to be TNT. I hope they have different looking presentation packages for the different crews.
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    Defense isn't controlled by CPU in this video and the players who controlled it, didn't care about.
    For judging defense this video is not appropriated.
    They had me at the no loading screen.
    Just tested it on NBA 2K20. 22 seconds doesn't sound like a lot, but that adds up over time. I hope the game boot up is just as fast.
    jfsolo
    I know that they wanted to show off the move on the baseline by BI, but I wish the person who was controlling Chriss would have challenged up on that shot.
    The Draymond/Zion interaction at the rim was the best think in the clip for me. Also If there was any warping going on in the game then it was very subtle because I didn't notice it
    I actually like that BI didn't get sucked into a canned animation in that scenario. The user didnt look to contest the drive and BI didnt do some weird unnecessary move like we sometimes see now.
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    I love Kevin Harlan, but it's going to be good not to hear him every game.
    That camera was bananas, it's not the TV cycle cams I've been asking for, but I like it.
    Gameplay and graphics are looking amazing. Can't wait to fire this up on the Series X.
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    Some things ive noticed about help defenders in 2K is that
    1) it takes them too long to react to whats going on so they are always late or absent in rotations. The best defensive players and great defensive teams/units are great at anticipating on whats going to happen next whereas in 2k all help defenders just react (again too late in most instances) to whats going on around them on drives
    2) whenever they do decide to react to the play the defensive players are beholden to poor animations to spring action. Look at the GSW help defender on Holidays step back at around 1:37. He goes into a sprinting like animation to cover a distance of like 4-6 feet. He instead should be in a shuffling like animation similar to an onball defensive stance so he can react better to a further drive by holiday or a pass. Help defenders just stand straight up in 2k until its too late
    I don't see any differences from my ps4 pro nba2k21 e and this gameplay.
    Small upgrades graphic or movemente, this is true. But for all rest of game, the same mechanics. Im tired of this.
    what i saw that i REALLY liked.
    the walkback after inbounding
    before and for liek forever the gate/jog of big guys looked so hobbled and looked like their accelaration didnt match their speed so theyd always look hunched over
    in this video they have this "weighty" look to them as if they are actually trotting better.
    really like that
    footplanting was great BUt the layup animations from when they start and end still are last gen
    Looks like 2k took few things from modding community and added to nextgen game like that camera angle.. But foot-planting looks dope! tempted to get ps5.. Haven't decided yet.
    Jrue sucked into the screen during the floppy play, no help defense, foot planting looks good still room for improvement. I hope they’ll fix something based on this video prior to release day
    CelticLG
    Jrue sucked into the screen during the floppy play, no help defense, foot planting looks good still room for improvement. I hope they’ll fix something based on this video prior to release day
    Noticed. Looked really bad.
    Favors lost on defense on curry's layup. Doesn't help at all. Instead, runs past Chris?
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    vuje85
    I don't see any differences from my ps4 pro nba2k21 e and this gameplay.
    Small upgrades graphic or movemente, this is true. But for all rest of game, the same mechanics. Im tired of this.
    You need to be viewing in 4K to understand how much the graphics have improved. The video wasn't in 4K. I'm sure once you get it in your home running on your 4K TV you'll be blown away. However, the gameplay is what I'm really not seeing much improvement with.
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    Now we need them to correct that shooting mess we have in current gen and perhaps we have a game in next gen... curious to know how MyLeague/MyLeague Online will work...
    Next step would be to create two different experiences, one focused on Sim in the NBA related modes and another one more custom/arcade for Park modes... right now the balance is not there IMO.
    PD: That Jrue beeing sucked into a screen worried me a bit, however the pick and roll with Zion interactions and collisions seemed much more natural to me... I guess there is still a lot of fine tuning to be done with this next-gen version...
    This video shows a LOT of promise, but I don’t think the “Rail” camera angle shows the game in its best light.
    NBA 2K has always looked best from a Broadcast camera angle, similar to PES and FIFA.
    The foot planting looks wonderful but there does seem to be issues with the help defense. Hoping that’s cleaned up before release.
    haloofduty
    You guys can say what you want BUT no load screen. I'm sold! Also what do you guys expect to watch them go home and eat dinner. Still a video game. Can't judge by videos. Although it looked great to me. Smooth. No load screen!!!
    I feel like most who criticize don't have a ng console pre ordered. This is CLEARLY better than current 2k21.

    Surely those who don't have a next-gen console pre-ordered are better equipped to make an objective judgement rather those those who have already put all of their eggs into one basket and have no option but to praise anything 2K puts out?
    Same game with pretty lipstick.
    Not a bad thing but not great either. Was expecting more. Step back from jrue animations irks my nerves when shooting animations slow down . Also him getting stuck on the pick and roll.
    Coming from pc.
    Wish this gem we could get away from difficulty levels. Arcade or sim and make folks learn basketball.
    Optik
    Surely those who don't have a next-gen console pre-ordered are better equipped to make an objective judgement rather those those who have already put all of their eggs into one basket and have no option but to praise anything 2K puts out?

    Not necessarily true, but I have noticed that people who don't have pre-orders tended to be the loudest (not just here) about what they don't like. It's almost like they're trashing on next-gen games and consoles to feel good about still owning their XB1 or PS4.
    Take me for example...I'm just excited about the no/short loading screens, but the graphics look fine to me. However, I'm not one those people who expect "perfection" when it comes game art and movement. As long as it looks and plays good 99% of the time, I'm good to go. I have yet to play the "perfect" game.
    Personally, I'm just not impressed with how lackluster the help defense still looks. Obviously, I'll still keep my eye on this but I don't know, I'm just really not feeling it.
    Visuals look fine but if the gameplay isn't what I want I can find plenty other games to invest my time in.
    ksuttonjr76
    Not necessarily true, but I have noticed that people who don't have pre-orders tended to be the loudest (not just here) about what they don't like. It's almost like they're trashing on next-gen games and consoles to feel good about still owning their XB1 or PS4.
    Take me for example...I'm just excited about the no/short loading screens, but the graphics look fine to me. However, I'm not one those people who expect "perfection" when it comes game art and movement. As long as it looks and plays good 99% of the time, I'm good to go. I have yet to play the "perfect" game.

    Not this "I don't expect a perfect game" stuff again. No one does. This is a strawman. People are criticizing this game, because they feel it's not worth the price of admission, simple. If it was on current gen, cool, but we expected a lot more on next-gen. We're not getting it. And please don't tell us to temper our expectations. It's the PS5. It's completely reasonable to be expecting more than we've seen.
    Tynole14
    Noticed. Looked really bad.
    Favors lost on defense on curry's layup. Doesn't help at all. Instead, runs past Chris?
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    Also, fans didn't really react realistically to that contact alley oop dunk by Zion. The fans and benches should of went crazy...
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    Looks pretty good. Visuals don't jump out to me but that's probably do to it being a video on Twitter where it's not the highest quality. Gameplay doesn't look like a major improvement for a game that was supposedly "built from the ground up" but looks can also be deceiving. There's a lot of 2K games that look similar gameplay wise but feel different once the controller is in your hands.
    Also I wasn't able to listen to the audio of the video. I noticed people mentioning 2 broadcast teams. Did they announce the crews for both teams?
    scottyp180
    Looks pretty good. Visuals don't jump out to me but that's probably do to it being a video on Twitter where it's not the highest quality. Gameplay doesn't look like a major improvement for a game that was supposedly "built from the ground up" but looks can also be deceiving. There's a lot of 2K games that look similar gameplay wise but feel different once the controller is in your hands.
    Also I wasn't able to listen to the audio of the video. I noticed people mentioning 2 broadcast teams. Did they announce the crews for both teams?
    Ryan Anderson and Grant Hill will lead the 2nd crew. I'm guessing they'll rotate Clark Kellogg (sounded like he was in the video, not sure though...), Steve Smith, Webber and the others as the 3rd.
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    the foot planting and IK is what got me the most excited watching that...I was really blown away!!!!! the step back 3 from curry is so lifelike and OMG did I mention the footplanting........
    large Shout out to Erick Boenisch and Mike Wang for adding a little flavor to the marketing with voice over videos...I really enjoyed that and am looking forward in seeing more of this...
    Loading time or lack off loading time I should say was bonkers
    the PnR was so beautiful with no suction and the alley hoop ZW finish over the top of curry was lovely with the new impact engine...really love seeing that, so visually satisfying!!!
    Am not a big fan of the green releases but the new splash above the bar is way more tolerable for me to deal with so..I guess am happy to see a version I can actually tolerate
    Junior Moe
    Ryan Anderson and Grant Hill will lead the 2nd crew. I'm guessing they'll rotate Clark Kellogg (sounded like he was in the video, not sure though...), Steve Smith, Webber and the others as the 3rd.
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    Hmm interesting. Are Ryan Anderson and Grant Hill a crew in real life? Pretty sure I've heard Grant Hill on a broadcast before but not sure about Anderson.
    Foot planting is noticable right away for me, player movement looks good. Curry step back looked authentic.
    Zion lob looked great, but as an employee of an NBA arena I have to say the crowd atmosphere is always so disappointing in this game. Not even on ps5 can we get 10 fans to cheer about anything on the court. It truly boggles my mind.
    Overall it will look and feel a bit different, but this "built from the ground up" I've heard before. Doesnt appear that much has changed, but we will see.
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    Couple things I noticed out the gate
    - Shot Feedback still doesn’t show BOTH aim and timing in regular modes, assume it will be like that for shoot around as well.
    - Jrue got sucked back onto that screen from Draymond
    - PnR defense looked soft on that alley oop but I think that’s more on the user getting switched to the help man and not moving. Draymond did a pretty good job alone on the last and 1.
    - Zion getting stuck running in place right before the and 1
    Hopefully by 2k22 the slouched posture players default into gets cleaned up, things look so much better when players are standing straight when idle.
    scottyp180
    Hmm interesting. Are Ryan Anderson and Grant Hill a crew in real life? Pretty sure I've heard Grant Hill on a broadcast before but not sure about Anderson.
    I know Grant Hill does a little bit of broadcasting and does analyst work. Ryan Anderson caught me off guard, though. I cant find anything on him being commentator.
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    Optik
    Not this "I don't expect a perfect game" stuff again. No one does. This is a strawman. People are criticizing this game, because they feel it's not worth the price of admission, simple. If it was on current gen, cool, but we expected a lot more on next-gen. We're not getting it. And please don't tell us to temper our expectations. It's the PS5. It's completely reasonable to be expecting more than we've seen.

    No...the way people be complaining around here they WERE expecting every damn legacy issue to be addressed and EVERY player model to be spot on. So no, I disagree with your assessment that people weren't expecting some phenomenal leap in graphics and gameplay. My expectations were tempered a long time ago due to COVID-19 and most developers are working from home now. I work from home myself, so I know FOR FACT that the experience and resources available to you is no where near like it would be in the actual building. If we didn't have a pandemic happening, then yes...I would be expecting more, because they could have 100% dedicated time and effort to the current AND next-gen games.
    simbayless
    Nice improvement but why the crowd so dead and why no Live crowd audio still lacking?
    Crowd is terrible again....
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    Thetruth9012
    Crowd is terrible again....
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    Anyone here actually been to a real-life NBA game? Most people are not in their seats before the game starts period, and second, no one is jumping out of their seat 2 minutes into a game.
    coolcras7
    Anyone here actually been to a real-life NBA game? Most people are not in their seats before the game starts period, and second, no one is jumping out of their seat 2 minutes into a game.

    I get that, but, a Zion contact alley-oop dunk and the crowd will lose their minds even if its 2 seconds into the game
    ksuttonjr76
    Not necessarily true, but I have noticed that people who don't have pre-orders tended to be the loudest (not just here) about what they don't like. It's almost like they're trashing on next-gen games and consoles to feel good about still owning their XB1 or PS4.
    Take me for example...I'm just excited about the no/short loading screens, but the graphics look fine to me. However, I'm not one those people who expect "perfection" when it comes game art and movement. As long as it looks and plays good 99% of the time, I'm good to go. I have yet to play the "perfect" game.

    You are their favorite type of consumer. “Looks fine”, “excited about no loading times”. You’re loyal to 2k, I’ll give you that.
    I have a preorder, and game looks ok, but it just doesn’t have the wow factor the way last gen did. Maybe it’ll be a good game, but rn, looks like a minimal upgrade given all of the power of the ps5.
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    Dione2014
    Animation quality has taken a major hit since NBA 2K16 and its no different here in next gen. However, the game does look good graphically, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed with this gameplay.
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    My exact thoughts. In 2k16 the movement and foot planting felt much better than 2k17 -2k20
    It’s so weird that they downgraded that aspect and never improved it
    Optik
    Not this "I don't expect a perfect game" stuff again. No one does. This is a strawman. People are criticizing this game, because they feel it's not worth the price of admission, simple. If it was on current gen, cool, but we expected a lot more on next-gen. We're not getting it. And please don't tell us to temper our expectations. It's the PS5. It's completely reasonable to be expecting more than we've seen.

    That dude just responds to every negative 2k comment on these forums for some reason. Like any valid complaint ppl have, gets a reply. I think he might be on 2k’s payroll or something.
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    Junior Moe
    I know Grant Hill does a little bit of broadcasting and does analyst work. Ryan Anderson caught me off guard, though. I cant find anything on him being commentator.
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    I think we asked for something like this years ago. Having different commentators for different venues. It's a good start! Maybe in the future they can have Dan Stevens and Peter O'Keefe back commentating! I know 2k is in development for a football game and they will most likely be there but it would be nice hearing those two commentating in a basketball game.
    I know Peter O'Keefe is the tutorial voice for NBA2k.
    sva91
    You are their favorite type of consumer. “Looks fine”, “excited about no loading times”. You’re loyal to 2k, I’ll give you that.
    I have a preorder, and game looks ok, but it just doesn’t have the wow factor the way last gen did. Maybe it’ll be a good game, but rn, looks like a minimal upgrade given all of the power on the ps5.
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    Not to speak for the OG poster, but it has nothing to do with "2K loyalty"
    I dont know why it's so hard for some people to come to terms with the fact that some of us see this as a video game. A video game that we actually have fun with.
    Some of us aren't expecting the world or the impossible. If it's fun to us and we enjoy it, that doesn't make us 2K loyalists or whatever terms people want to toss around.
    It makes us a bunch of dudes who just want to play a video game and have fun, and thats why we're excited.
    I also like to compare to other next gen games and if people are disappointed by what they've seen from 2k21 then they should be disappointed by just about every other next gen game revealed thus far.
    I can understand if people were expecting a bigger leap with 2k but it's not like the other next gen games are showing us gameplay and graphics that far exceed anything that came before it. Demon Souls looks great but I wouldn't say it blows away 2k21 visually. That's also a game truly rebuilt from the ground up (as far as we know) where as next gen 2k21 is clearly still using some things from current gen.
    Gran Turismo looks good but we don't know much about it. When will it release? How far along is it in development? When did they start working on the game (my guess would be before 2k21 development started)?
    I guess some of us just had our expectations in check. Anyone that's been paying attention to next-gen game reveals should have tempered their expectations considering there has yet to be a truly jaw dropping next-gen game reveal. Plus we all knew Covid would effect the development for these games.
    fileman3
    I’m just not a fan of the movement and foot planting
    Ever since 2K17 or 2k18 The player movement has been really bad.

    Yeah I'm also not a fan of that new Motion Engine, I guess it was introduced in 2K18?! always loved 2Ks animations before that
    When you keep your eyes on Draymond after the Tipoff, looks like he's in zero Gravity when he's moving sideways
    Gosens6
    Not to speak for the OG poster, but it has nothing to do with "2K loyalty"
    I dont know why it's so hard for some people to come to terms with the fact that some of us see this as a video game. A video game that we actually have fun with.
    Some of us aren't expecting the world or the impossible. If it's fun to us and we enjoy it, that doesn't make us 2K loyalists or whatever terms people want to toss around.
    It makes us a bunch of dudes who just want to play a video game and have fun, and thats why we're excited.

    I have no problem with people being excited. I’m happy for those customers. I get annoyed when people feel the need to defend 2k all the time and don’t let people have their opinion. This isn’t a positivity thread, it’s an opinion thread.
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    Tynole14
    Noticed. Looked really bad.
    Favors lost on defense on curry's layup. Doesn't help at all. Instead, runs past Chris?
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    We’ll have to raise help defense to 95+ for every team once again, and play with sliders/attributes, same problems as 2K20. Let’s pray for better transition defense (especially after free throws) cause we can’t do nothing about it
    sva91
    You are their favorite type of consumer. “Looks fine”, “excited about no loading times”. You’re loyal to 2k, I’ll give you that.
    I have a preorder, and game looks ok, but it just doesn’t have the wow factor the way last gen did. Maybe it’ll be a good game, but rn, looks like a minimal upgrade given all of the power of the ps5.
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    Maybe I'm the type consumer that recognizes that there were other factors going in the world that could have hindered the development of the game, so I adjusted my expectations accordingly?
    Maybe I'm just the type of consumer that instead of bitching and complaining about every nitpicking thing, I just decide not to buy it if doesn't meet my standards?
    Perhaps I recognize games do have their own "artistic style" and either I like or I don't?
    Perhaps I recognize that videogames are not "perfect", so I accept their flaws accordingly?
    scottyp180

    I also like to compare to other next gen games and if people are disappointed by what they've seen from 2k21 then they should be disappointed by just about every other next gen game revealed thus far.
    I can understand if people were expecting a bigger leap with 2k but it's not like the other next gen games are showing us gameplay and graphics that far exceed anything that came before it. Demon Souls looks great but I wouldn't say it blows away 2k21 visually. That's also a game truly rebuilt from the ground up (as far as we know) where as next gen 2k21 is clearly still using some things from current gen.
    Gran Turismo looks good but we don't know much about it. When will it release? How far along is it in development? When did they start working on the game (my guess would be before 2k21 development started)?
    I guess some of us just had our expectations in check. Anyone that's been paying attention to next-gen game reveals should have tempered their expectations considering there has yet to be a truly jaw dropping next-gen game reveal. Plus we all knew Covid would effect the development for these games.

    Thank you! That's exactly my point. I know Halo Infinite was delayed, because it flat-out didn't look that "great" when they showed gameplay. I just shrugged my shoulders and was like "It is what it is.".
    ksuttonjr76
    Maybe I'm the type consumer that recognizes that there were other factors going in the world that could have hindered the development of the game, so I adjusted my expectations accordingly?
    Maybe I'm just the type of consumer that instead of bitching and complaining about every nitpicking thing, I just decide not to buy it if doesn't meet my standards?
    Perhaps I recognize games do have their own "artistic style" and either I like or I don't?
    Perhaps I recognize that videogames are not "perfect", so I accept their flaws accordingly?

    Good for you. Then why do you need to respond to everyone else’s complaints? Just buy the game and stay quiet.
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    CelticLG
    We’ll have to raise help defense to 95+ for every team once again, and play with sliders/attributes, same problems as 2K20. Let’s pray for better transition defense (especially after free throws) cause we can’t do nothing about it

    Am in danger of looking like a member of the "2k Defense League" here but, in all fairness this wasnt a video to show competitive gameplay, rather just to show the game in motion and talk about some of the aspects the new consoles have provided...
    the users were clearly just causally defending or moving about, furthermore we dont know what difficulty the game was on.
    SuperNoVa27
    Couple things I noticed out the gate
    - Shot Feedback still doesn’t show BOTH aim and timing in regular modes, assume it will be like that for shoot around as well.

    Warriors were shooting w/aiming and it gave feedback for both. It showed Timing and Contest% like normal first, then it showed aiming feedback and arc.
    fileman3
    I’m just not a fan of the movement and foot planting
    Ever since 2K17 or 2k18 The player movement has been really bad.
    Hopefully, one day 2K will see that both hard-core AND casual fans appreciated 2K16's movement/footplanting. Yes, the game was slower....but the game was BALANCED. That was the appeal.
    There is potential with the new movement system, but right now the balance is off on the defensive side. I cant really judge by this video, but that's what will be most important...the guts of the game.
    The gameplay was cool, I definitely see improvements, which I'll get to, but-
    Jrue getting chained to that screen in that fashion is worrying. The movement blog suggested a lot of that was rectified.
    While I really, really appreciate all the lower bowl activity...2K has to know we've been clamoring for realistic crowd reactions for a while now. I'll take that over a detailed janitor sweeping 10/10. Its time to step up in that area fellas. Cant give us the "most realistic arena ever" line and not give us crowd reactions.
    CelticLG
    We’ll have to raise help defense to 95+ for every team once again, and play with sliders/attributes, same problems as 2K20. Let’s pray for better transition defense (especially after free throws) cause we can’t do nothing about it
    Yes, transition defense has to be fixed. And need more shooting fouls desperately.
    Also, can't have guys just blatantly leave great 3pt shooters.
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    sva91
    Good for you. Then why do you need to respond to everyone else’s complaints? Just buy the game and stay quiet.
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    How about go back to EA HQ and continue to beg them to bring back NBA Live to "compete" against NBA 2K?
    ThatKidNamedTae
    For everyone discussing it, the announcer’s name is Brian Anderson not Ryan Anderson
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    I stand corrected. That's probably why I couldn't find anything on Ryan Anderson commentating.
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    Load times, foot planting, pre game all look awesome!
    The movement and the gameplay didn't look that much better than what we have now.
    For me, MyLeague features will determine whether I buy a new console and play this game, or just stick with NBA 2K19 on my PC, where I am perfectly happy.
    Goffs
    I think we asked for something like this years ago. Having different commentators for different venues. It's a good start! Maybe in the future they can have Dan Stevens and Peter O'Keefe back commentating! I know 2k is in development for a football game and they will most likely be there but it would be nice hearing those two commentating in a basketball game.
    I know Peter O'Keefe is the tutorial voice for NBA2k.
    A second crew is huge for me. I would have been happy with the same crew but different packages, I wasn't expecting this. I play 12 min quarters in ML so presentation is a big thing for me. It's a video game so the commentary will inevitably become repetitive, but having a different voice (and hopefully package) will add to the overall presentation. I pop in College Basketball 10 from time to time during March Madness and it's amazing how far great presentation can carry a game. The actual hoops is rough but that presentation just sucks you in.
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    At the end of day, I'm taking the information and videos at face value until I have the actual system and game in hand. I played the XB1, XB1S, and the XB1X this generation, and I noticed the graphical improvements and performance with each jump.
    Right now, people are watching these videos under a microscope and are looking for things to be disappointed or mad about. To me, it was just gameplay video to show something. It wasn't a video to highlight anything in particular (AI, defense, offense). So, I just took in the information with a grain of salt.
    I'm completely with this. If people are disappointed and have criticisms that's fine. Nothing wrong with having that opinion.
    For me and others we are going to enjoy all the positives we see instead of looking for and honing in on any negatives or short comings. I'm sure there will be things I dislike about the game once I get it and spend time with it but at the end of the day it's a videogame I play for fun. Games have flaws, always have always will. I've been playing and enjoying these games, despite their flaws, since 2k2 released on PS2 and this looks like it will be the best version to date. Hard for me to be upset.
    My perspective is basically "what do I have to complain about?" Been playing games since NES and Sega Genesis. Hard for me to be upset because defensive AI isn't perfect or that a player's body type isn't completely accurate. People are free to be upset but for me, and probably others, these games are pretty much beyond anything I could have expected growing up playing these games.
    ksuttonjr76
    How about go back to EA HQ and continue to beg them to bring back NBA Live to "compete" against NBA 2K?

    I’m good fam.
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    This is not next gen effort. Lighting is playing tricks on a lot of people in these forums. The movement is too animation focused and makes the game look stiff. Underwhelming.
    scottyp180

    I'm completely with this. If people are disappointed and have criticisms that's fine. Nothing wrong with having that opinion.
    For me and others we are going to enjoy all the positives we see instead of looking for and honing in on any negatives or short comings. I'm sure there will be things I dislike about the game once I get it and spend time with it but at the end of the day it's a videogame I play for fun. Games have flaws, always have always will. I've been playing and enjoying these games, despite their flaws, since 2k2 released on PS2 and this looks like it will be the best version to date. Hard for me to be upset.
    My perspective is basically "what do I have to complain about?" Been playing games since NES and Sega Genesis. Hard for me to be upset because defensive AI isn't perfect or that a player's body type isn't completely accurate. People are free to be upset but for me, and probably others, these games are pretty much beyond anything I could have expected growing up playing these games.

    I agree. I have never viewed video games as "perfect" or supposed to be photorealistic when it comes to graphics. I just know that when I fire up my XBSX on my 4KTV with NBA 2K21, I will have little complaints. I'll probably complain more about my opponents than the game itself. I still stand by my belief that it's the gamers that make this game "terrible" and not the developers. Cheesers will cheese.
    MikeBadge
    Y'all think "MyNBA" is the new MyLeague/MyGM or was he just referring to the companion app?
    I hope it's a combination of the two and we get to choose which aspects we'd like to enable/disable. There are aspects of MyGM like the owner interaction and staff having badges that I have always wanted in MyLeague. ML spans 80 years. We need more interactivity.
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    2 commentary teams, that's awesome. What we really need though is more than one presentation/graphics package. One based on TNT, one based on Fox Sports, one based on NBC Sportsnet would be perfect!
    MikeBadge
    Warriors were shooting w/aiming and it gave feedback for both. It showed Timing and Contest% like normal first, then it showed aiming feedback and arc.

    You’re 100 correct. Saw that same old box and figured it was unchanged from last gen
    douevenbench
    This is not next gen effort. Lighting is playing tricks on a lot of people in these forums. The movement is too animation focused and makes the game look stiff. Underwhelming.

    Ok this is one of the complaints I do have to comment on. What exactly qualifies as "next gen effort"? What other next gen game has shown "next gen effort"?
    And do people forget that there is a pandemic going on that undoubtedly impacted the development of this game? Who knows exactly how limited they were during development. Player scanning was definitely effected. I have to imagine motion capture and therefore the ability to improve animations and movement was effected or at least different compared to a normal development period.
    I don't know, maybe it's just me but I'm basically giving all developers a little pass this year. The fact that we are getting next-gen games and systems this year at all is a bit amazing. It's difficult for me to be critical when I know none of these developers were able to work under typical work conditions.
    ksuttonjr76
    At the end of day, I'm taking the information and videos at face value until I have the actual system and game in hand. I played the XB1, XB1S, and the XB1X this generation, and I noticed the graphical improvements and performance with each jump.
    Right now, people are watching these videos under a microscope and are looking for things to be disappointed or mad about. To me, it was just gameplay video to show something. It wasn't a video to highlight anything in particular (AI, defense, offense). So, I just took in the information with a grain of salt.

    You make the most sense. I don't get all the negativity. After they released the blogs there was complaining. After this short video there is complaining. How can you judge off of a 3 min video thats most likely on pro for easy scores?
    I understand having some issues but I keep seeing the same names continously be negative towards the game lol. The same names. Someone said you keep defending. Well why does the same users constantly keep criticizing? You obviously don't like the game. Continue to have fun with current generation.
    Never forget its a video game. When we have the game the guys that pre ordered will give you guys REAL feedback. Not feedback off of blogs and a 3 min video. Me personally I play to have fun. Some player getting stuck in a screen doesn't bother me. Somebody didn't provide help defense? I know its a game. Those load times! Can't wait! Can you imagine playing myleague games with no load times!?!?!?!?
    Also looks great to me. Big improvements over current. Thats my opinion though. Will be a massive improvement playing it on a 4k TV though. Not watching a 1080p video from Twitter.
    haloofduty
    You make the most sense. I don't get all the negativity. After they released the blogs there was complaining. After this short video there is complaining. How can you judge off of a 3 min video thats most likely on pro for easy scores?
    I understand having some issues but I keep seeing the same names continously be negative towards the game lol. The same names. Someone said you keep defending. Well why does the same users constantly keep criticizing? You obviously don't like the game. Continue to have fun with current generation.
    Never forget its a video game. When we have the game the guys that pre ordered will give you guys REAL feedback. Not feedback off of blogs and a 3 min video. Me personally I play to have fun. Some player getting stuck in a screen doesn't bother me. Somebody didn't provide help defense? I know its a game. Those load times! Can't wait! Can you imagine playing myleague games with no load times!?!?!?!?
    Also looks great to me. Big improvements over current. Thats my opinion though. Will be a massive improvement playing it on a 4k TV though. Not watching a 1080p video from Twitter.

    Well, I'm going to try to give real feedback, lol. I have to drive to get mine, then there's still the whole downloading the game still when I get home.
    SuperNoVa27
    You’re 100 correct. Saw that same old box and figured it was unchanged from last gen

    Yeah I thought it was unchanged after the 1st watch too. No option for this on current gen was a little frustrating as someone who was really trying to master shot aiming. Glad to see the change in next gen!
    baconbits11
    2 commentary teams, that's awesome. What we really need though is more than one presentation/graphics package. One based on TNT, one based on Fox Sports, one based on NBC Sportsnet would be perfect!

    This is a good idea. Having different swipes while playing simulates watching a different channel.
    With each generation, 2K continues to make itself home in the uncanny valley. Looks really awesome at first glance, but doesn't feel right once we start paying attention.
    I believe adding some ambient occlusion to the fans/bench is a great place to start. The lighting is very flat.
    ThatKidNamedTae
    For everyone discussing it, the announcer’s name is Brian Anderson not Ryan Anderson
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    And Brian did a lot of bubble games. I enjoyed listening to him. (Edit: he also did MLB playoff games too).
    As for the game it looks good but I personally think most of the graphic upgrades are noticed in player faces. I need to see it on my screen but the shorts and player models look a lot like last gen. Hopefully gameplay is good. Impossible to tell in that clip. I’m gonna love the death of loading times.
    ksuttonjr76
    Well, I'm going to try to give real feedback, lol. I have to drive to get mine, then there's still the whole downloading the game still when I get home.

    So your back on ? Your getting one ?
    Good....,
    Mintsa
    So your back on ? Your getting one ?
    Good....,

    Yeah, I decided to take a weekend and try to pound out the damage. Watching the locals being proud to drive their rusty and battered trucks made me rethink my decision. My ride still looks good on the driver's side . Now, that back passenger side...well...it isn't pretty, lol.
    The 24th Letter
    Hopefully, one day 2K will see that both hard-core AND casual fans appreciated 2K16's movement/footplanting. Yes, the game was slower....but the game was BALANCED. That was the appeal.
    There is potential with the new movement system, but right now the balance is off on the defensive side. I cant really judge by this video, but that's what will be most important...the guts of the game.
    The gameplay was cool, I definitely see improvements, which I'll get to, but-
    Jrue getting chained to that screen in that fashion is worrying. The movement blog suggested a lot of that was rectified.
    While I really, really appreciate all the lower bowl activity...2K has to know we've been clamoring for realistic crowd reactions for a while now. I'll take that over a detailed janitor sweeping 10/10. Its time to step up in that area fellas. Cant give us the "most realistic arena ever" line and not give us crowd reactions.

    Agreed with everything you said here. Also patiently waiting for Da Czar's blog, which I think is coming soon (maybe even tomorrow?) which will hopefully show more defense than this video showed.
    MikeBadge
    Y'all think "MyNBA" is the new MyLeague/MyGM or was he just referring to the companion app?

    That line stood out to me too. I'm guessing the answer is probably yes?
    These "expectations" are funny...
    And dont give me that " well 2k14.." when that game while visually "cool" was bare bones as hell...and this was when everything was "normal"
    I'm actually fascinated with what they have put out in a short amount of time with limited resources
    IF it looks Dope, plays good, and offers way more than what 2k14 did as next gen title color me impressed especially during a PANDEMIC
    We are spoiled ....
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    I am just disappointed in the crowd atmosphere. If I had one thing to really be improved on for next gen it would’ve been that. I just knew that would be a main focus for next gen. Hopefully, very soon.
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    Jrocc23
    I am just disappointed in the crowd atmosphere. If I had one thing to really be improved on for next gen it would’ve been that. I just knew that would be a main focus for next gen. Hopefully, very soon.
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    That's been an area I've been hoping to see improved for awhile now. They took some baby steps this generation but still a lot of room for improvement. It's one of the areas I think NBA Live got right. Not perfect but definitely better than 2k. Heck Live 10 might have better crowd atmosphere than any 2k game.
    scottyp180

    And do people forget that there is a pandemic going on that undoubtedly impacted the development of this game?

    People don't care much about the pandemic here in the U.S. In some areas where I live it's almost like there's isn't even a problem. Many store don't even require a mask anymore. Yet cases are steadily rising. So if people can't take into consideration their on safety and well being, you can't expect them to care much about how Covid19 would affect their favorite holiday toys.
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    scottyp180
    That's been an area I've been hoping to see improved for awhile now. They took some baby steps this generation but still a lot of room for improvement. It's one of the areas I think NBA Live got right. Not perfect but definitely better than 2k. Heck Live 10 might have better crowd atmosphere than any 2k game.

    Live 10 was really special in certain aspects
    That was pretty underwhelming but we didn't get to see any real offense outside of floppy action. I want to see multi-pass possessions and how the defense rotates and how pass/catch animations play out. I want to see how motion/continuity stuff works and if it's faster and easier to run. Are we finally going to get a 2K that allows us to play like modern NBA teams?
    I'm staying off of 2K until we can have frequent possessions with several passes, rotations, etc. I want beautiful team basketball. I don't want to run only quick hitters and PnR all game long because sets and motion are too slow and clunky to get into.
    Think it looked good. Zion dunk reaction looked weak. Seen some people complaining about defense but you have to remember it's two users who probably have played this game hundreds of times and just needed to record a quick video.
    This forum is not really the smartest place when it comes to common sense.
    2k is showing off next gen gameplay without cuts or edits and you see people complain about defense, it's not supposed to be a video where they will show 3mins of shooting bricks and missed layups.
    ThatKidNamedTae
    For everyone discussing it, the announcer’s name is Brian Anderson not Ryan Anderson
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    Brian Anderson was PBP for the Western Conference Finals this year. Big name.. smooth voice.
    Mintsa
    Rail Cam or broadcast cam........
    Am I man enough to make the switch ??

    That Rail Cam looks like it’s going to be perfect for offline games & the few of us CPU/CPU types.
    First things first; I wish this video was in 4K. Why tease us with a 1080p jawn!
    Graphics
    Solid — it’s what I expected based off the screenshots and trailers. Crisp, detailed, yet very familiar to what we’ve come to know in the graphics department from 2K. However, on the PS4 Pro 2K really wasn’t lacking dramatically when it came to graphics.
    Defense
    I can’t judge it yet. Number one, the players aren’t focused so that doesn’t bode for the defense at all. Two, that looks like Pro or Allstar level at the highest. Defense and CPU reactions are slower on those levels by design.
    These teams also aren’t defensive maestros in real life, so nothing to talk about here — This is was designed to be more of a highlight clip.
    Animations & Footplanting
    Dayyyum! The subtleties in the defensive stances, dribbling, step backs and the contact alley-up? Tell me that didn’t look like Zion mo-capped that one his dam self! The step backs finally look smooth without awkward hitches that you never see from NBA players. Steph created plenty of space on the step back and I pray the park/Rec don’t patch the fluidity and spacing on the court of next gen...
    Also, I’m hoping we can really feel the weight in the paint and when attacking the rim as promised. It looks like 2K, but smoother now and I’m HOPING much more responsive with controller inputs without delay like last gen.
    Audio & Presentation
    Come on, 2K! We talking about the arenas again knowing dam well there has been several threads about the audio for YEARS. I knew this was the year for my surround sound system to thrive with the PS5, but NOPE.
    It’s very disappointing they are trying to sell us on different commentator teams when I feel like that was an addition 2-3 years ago already... they HAVE to do better in this department.
    All in all I was very pleased with what I saw. I’m not inspecting it thru a microscope because this video isn’t for the thoroughbred SIM heads — it was to hype up the common demographic and that sure as hell isn’t me.
    The 12th can’t come soon enough
    haloofduty
    You make the most sense. I don't get all the negativity. After they released the blogs there was complaining. After this short video there is complaining. How can you judge off of a 3 min video thats most likely on pro for easy scores?
    I understand having some issues but I keep seeing the same names continously be negative towards the game lol. The same names. Someone said you keep defending. Well why does the same users constantly keep criticizing? You obviously don't like the game. Continue to have fun with current generation.
    Never forget its a video game. When we have the game the guys that pre ordered will give you guys REAL feedback. Not feedback off of blogs and a 3 min video. Me personally I play to have fun. Some player getting stuck in a screen doesn't bother me. Somebody didn't provide help defense? I know its a game. Those load times! Can't wait! Can you imagine playing myleague games with no load times!?!?!?!?
    Also looks great to me. Big improvements over current. Thats my opinion though. Will be a massive improvement playing it on a 4k TV though. Not watching a 1080p video from Twitter.

    IMO most of it stems from the almost total lack of resources given to 2K21 current gen which had a full pricetag--I know for a fact that put a really bad taste in my mouth and I didn't even buy it lol.
    I'm def not a graphics whore but I know i'm in the minority, visuals sell games. Gamplay is KING to me and the one thing I think is reasonable is a developer resolving most of the legacy issues from the previous gen. If not? Like, what are we even doing? I might as well just keep the previous system if 70% of the issues remain. I'm definitely sitting this year out but the bigger issue is that the gameplay leap just isnt there IMO.
    I need more than faster load times, a new camera and a better fan if i'm getting a new system lol.
    ehh
    That was pretty underwhelming but we didn't get to see any real offense outside of floppy action. I want to see multi-pass possessions and how the defense rotates and how pass/catch animations play out. I want to see how motion/continuity stuff works and if it's faster and easier to run. Are we finally going to get a 2K that allows us to play like modern NBA teams?
    I'm staying off of 2K until we can have frequent possessions with several passes, rotations, etc. I want beautiful team basketball. I don't want to run only quick hitters and PnR all game long because sets and motion are too slow and clunky to get into.

    This x1000
    I don't think a lot people understand how much the lack of rotations/help defense is sucking the fun out of this game. It's why we've seen so much nerfing of offensive animations and boosted on-ball defense to balance the game in past 2k's.
    Tags on rolls, nail help on middle drives, trapping the box on baseline drives
    (the weakside low man sinking as the big comes over to protect the rim--2nd defender zones up and takes first pass followed by X-outs (weakside switches)....etc....there's next to none of this is happening in 2k.
    Just hope it was a programming restriction on last gen and we start to see this stuff implemented in the future. I trust Mike Wang, DCzar and the rest of the gameplay design team knows how much new life it would breath into this game.
    jairusmonillas
    This forum is not really the smartest place when it comes to common sense.
    2k is showing off next gen gameplay without cuts or edits and you see people complain about defense, it's not supposed to be a video where they will show 3mins of shooting bricks and missed layups.

    Guess the your claim of a lack of common sense is showcased in your observation of peoples complaints. Most guys giving their way to early opinions on the state of next gen defense have nothing to do with the fact that baskets were made. Its whats going on off the ball that led to those baskets being made. The lack of ball rotations, the offball suction screens, the help defender running away from the ball being driven down the paint. Its the stuff that if you see now then you can guarantee it has been unaddressed. But i guess reading comprehension is a step above common sense
    They still ARE NOT capturing the atmosphere as great as they think they are...at all. Adding a couple of security guards pre-game doesn’t cut it. Crowd still looks too dark and doesn’t seem to react appropriately. They need the crowd lighting from 2k17 with NBA Live reactions (like booing when the star player of the opposing team gets the ball which was done in NBA Live 15).
    I’m hoping there’s more to look forward to down the road. Let’s go PES 2022!!!
    Damn, if you haven't watched this in 4K you should.
    While I'm not going to break down defensive rotations on video that's obviously one low difficulty (Jrue Holiday greened a 54% contested.step back....its on Rookie on Pro) Derrick Favors running toward his man while Curry is driving is definitely worrying and regardless of difficulty. Us H2H players are all too familiar with that issue.
    What I will give props to 2k on is the footplanting and the choppy steps. It really does look great. There's someone who did a side by side of CG & NG and you really can see the difference as Mike said. That and the transisitonal animations...they look so seamless all over the court.
    The video in 4k does looks very nice. I wanted two things from Next-Gen 21; better foot planing/movement and crowd atmosphere.
    Looks like they delivered on the footplanting but the crowd atmosphere is still lacking.
    jairusmonillas
    This forum is not really the smartest place when it comes to common sense.
    2k is showing off next gen gameplay without cuts or edits and you see people complain about defense, it's not supposed to be a video where they will show 3mins of shooting bricks and missed layups.

    Defense has been severely lacking for several iterations now. Common sense would tell you that seeing the same problems again would indicate the issues are still there.
    BluFu
    Defense has been severely lacking for several iterations now. Common sense would tell you that seeing the same problems again would indicate the issues are still there.

    Let's judge a whole game based on a user vs. user gameplay meant to showcase offense and complain about defense. Let's also assume they the playing on a challenging difficulty and run with it.
    The game looks great but I didn't really see much that knocked me out of my seat. I'm still playing NBA 2K20 (and enjoying it), and I know next-gen 2K21 looks visually better, but there wasn't that punch you're always hoping to feel when you first catch a glimpse of that next-gen debut.
    Of course, we all understand it's just a small glimpse and there could be so much more under the hood. But every time a new gen comes around, I wonder about whether it's time for certain details to take that next super leap. The crowd reacting realistically (both on an audio and visual front), players not oddly swaying in unison during a pre-game camera cut, a slightly less unnerving sideline reporter, etc.
    So far, it looks like a visually polished 2K, which is cool because 2K is already pretty polished. Just not feeling that, "Wow, welcome to next gen" moment yet.
    Love the new camera angle! The first thing I was looking for was to see if I noticed any sliding. Much to my delight I didn't!
    The main thing I wanted addressed for Next Gen was foot planting (players sliding into position to receive passes, etc.). Seems like they finally fixed it!
    Some minor gripes:
    The net physics seem better but not as realistic as I was expecting
    Players models look better overall but still room for improvement (hopefully we can edit full player body types)
    Help defense A.I. could use a little tuning
    Other than that I can't wait to get my hands on the game! Nice job 2K
    coolcras7
    Let's judge a whole game based on a user vs. user gameplay meant to showcase offense and complain about defense. Let's also assume they the playing on a challenging difficulty and run with it.

    Sure I guess we can pretend like we've never seen these issues before and that they'll be nonexistent in the retail game.
    :splat:
    Hey OS Forum, first time posting here, I really like the look of the next-gen graphics, the gameplay seems to flow nicely too, as others have already commented, help defense looks a tad slow on rotations, and I didn't really like Lonzo Ball getting warped into a screen on the Klay Thompson open 3 ball, and also not even fighting through it, basically just skated on the spot, hopefully, this isn't going to be a common occurrence. Also, I've always had a big problem with the reverse layups, they just aren't realistic, how many players up and under, throwing it over their head as BI does, not even using the backboard?!? Surely this could be something that can be mo-capped, right? Otherwise, everything else looks the goods and I can't wait for the release date and get my hands on the new features of NBA 2K21 Next-Gen :woot:
    ksuttonjr76
    No...the way people be complaining around here they WERE expecting every damn legacy issue to be addressed and EVERY player model to be spot on. So no, I disagree with your assessment that people weren't expecting some phenomenal leap in graphics and gameplay. My expectations were tempered a long time ago due to COVID-19 and most developers are working from home now. I work from home myself, so I know FOR FACT that the experience and resources available to you is no where near like it would be in the actual building. If we didn't have a pandemic happening, then yes...I would be expecting more, because they could have 100% dedicated time and effort to the current AND next-gen games.

    From before, I don't think having a pre order or not matters, I just think people's expectations were high, as they should be, pandemic or not. I don't remember seeing xbox or ps5 giving us a discount because of the pandemic. When did xbox one / ps4 come out, 2k14? So it's been 7 years and big jumps in technology since then, I think all our expectations were high. Idk what I was expecting exactly, but the gameplay didn't "blow me away" like I was hoping for. To me, none of the hi-tech stuff matters to me though if 2K can't figure out how to tune the game to be more realistic in online modes like Rec / Pro Am. And that's an area no amount of tech can improve if the company itself is on an arcade route like they've been on. Hopefully the features and modes will also help separate current from next gen.
    Dione2014
    People don't care much about the pandemic here in the U.S. In some areas where I live it's almost like there's isn't even a problem. Many store don't even require a mask anymore. Yet cases are steadily rising. So if people can't take into consideration their on safety and well being, you can't expect them to care much about how Covid19 would affect their favorite holiday toys.
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    Last time I checked they still charging full price for the game, + $10 :rolleyes: It's hard to cut them slack on their work process when they are cut throat when it comes to microtransactions.
    I swear the most damage to sports video gaming has been YouTube and social media. Sharing glitches and exploits across airwaves, and also complaining about everything. I get when criticism is warranted. But there is no satisfying some people. I can’t remember a game that was liked throughout  the year it came out. even NCAA 14 got trashed here that first year. 
    When a next gen game come out and it’s missing features  form previous gen, like madden was known for doing, go at them. No reason for that to happen.  But I mean, you will never satisfy the majority of this crowd. It’s either the sim crowd that want everything real life. Or the “it’s not real life”  crowd who think greening everything and curry sliding is cool. 
    ask yourself this. Would you be ok if the game came out every 2 years? If so, then buy the game every 2 years.  Because if you are expecting  a new experience in a sports game year to year, you’ll always be disappointed. 
    In terms of some of the comments about game atmosphere, do people want the fans to go crazy after every basket the entire game? I think a big alley oop is one thing but in real life the first quarter of a regular season NBA game would have more fans missing as they are still getting to their seats lol. I wonder if the crowd gets more into it later in the game or if there is a difference between a playoff game?
    rudyjuly2
    In terms of some of the comments about game atmosphere, do people want the fans to go crazy after every basket the entire game? I think a big alley oop is one thing but in real life the first quarter of a regular season NBA game would have more fans missing as they are still getting to their seats lol. I wonder if the crowd gets more into it later in the game or if there is a difference between a playoff game?

    I actually thought the crowd was fine. Other then the Zion dunk. They did react though. I played the video just listening to the crowd. Cant judge from a 3 min video.
    rudyjuly2
    In terms of some of the comments about game atmosphere, do people want the fans to go crazy after every basket the entire game? I think a big alley oop is one thing but in real life the first quarter of a regular season NBA game would have more fans missing as they are still getting to their seats lol. I wonder if the crowd gets more into it later in the game or if there is a difference between a playoff game?

    Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you people? Stuff like this is triggering. Why do you people always have to go reductio ad absurdum on anyone who criticises the game? What's even more infuriating is that it comes with the air of "I'm a rational and sane person. You lot are crazy."
    Optik
    Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you people? Stuff like this is triggering. Why do you people always have to go reductio ad absurdum on anyone who criticises the game? What's even more infuriating is that it comes with the air of "I'm a rational and sane person. You lot are crazy."

    You're triggering yourself.
    He literally asked question and gave his take on it. Not everyone offering an opinion other than a critical one is being condescending.
    but to actually answer Rudy's question-
    I know you played Live 19 like me, where they were probably a bit overboard with the atmosphere that particular year. I definitely dont want that...
    but the very first highlight here is a good example IMO
    https://youtu.be/wtvXbOx40rU
    Cut aways after basket and replays are STILL choppy! ON NEXT GEN HARDWARE! How can that be?
    Current gen has the exact same problem, which is really shouldn't have. Especially not on PC, but having a next gen game do the same thing is unforgivable to me.
    This shows that this year's game is just a cosmetic upgrade and they haven't really done anything to the engine. The engine is still a current gen engine that is not optimized for next gen.
    The fast load time is also evidence that it is an old engine. Had it been an optimized game for a next gen console you would get longer loading times, since there are more things you can load and have in the game. Fast loading times is impressive, but go back and play a game from 10 years ago on a PC from now and you will get fast loading times too.
    I’m impressed with the camera and finally a new complete crew! Anderson is my favourite so really happy he’s in and Hill is at least level headed. Anderson’s reaction to that 3 Curry felt real and I truly haven’t felt that way ever. Harlan just sounds unnatural, too robotic, too rehearsed, but also there's no real chemistry between him and his co-commentator Greg Anthony. They're both just reading lines.
    That being said, atmosphere doesn't seem to be improved at all and I will wait until 2k22 to really see if 2k has actually put in the work to make the crowd realistic, the arenas authentic and intend to improve fast breaks, defense, rebounding and passing in particular. Just hope for 2k21 we get upgraded classic players!
    Mintsa
    So I shouldn’t hold my breath until Thursday hoping that some PNO news will come along right ?

    We be lucky if they even acknowledge that the mode exist.
    The 24th Letter
    You're triggering yourself.
    He literally asked question and gave his take on it. Not everyone offering an opinion other than a critical one is being condescending.
    but to actually answer Rudy's question-
    I know you played Live 19 like me, where they were probably a bit overboard with the atmosphere that particular year. I definitely dont want that...
    but the very first highlight here is a good example IMO
    https://youtu.be/wtvXbOx40rU

    I might have to play a game tonight, but I swear that's the crowd act in the NBA 2K, so I'm not understanding the whole "atmosphere" comments.
    KyotoCarl
    The fast load time is also evidence that it is an old engine. Had it been an optimized game for a next gen console you would get longer loading times, since there are more things you can load and have in the game. Fast loading times is impressive, but go back and play a game from 10 years ago on a PC from now and you will get fast loading times too.

    Huh? Fast load times is an indication of better hardware. Games didn't have much "load times" back then, because the games wasn't as "complex". As the game got more complex, we started seeing more and more loading screens. Now, the next-gen console have technology that can load those "complex" worlds quicker.
    I wasn’t very impressed with the gameplay. The graphics look good, but there were some parts where the players were standing there kind of awkwardly.
    The animations looked virtually identical to last-gen — a little choppy, and there really isn’t any visible improvement over last gen in terms of how they move (perhaps foot planting aside).
    RipCity71252
    This x1000
    I don't think a lot people understand how much the lack of rotations/help defense is sucking the fun out of this game. It's why we've seen so much nerfing of offensive animations and boosted on-ball defense to balance the game in past 2k's.
    Tags on rolls, nail help on middle drives, trapping the box on baseline drives
    (the weakside low man sinking as the big comes over to protect the rim--2nd defender zones up and takes first pass followed by X-outs (weakside switches)....etc....there's next to none of this is happening in 2k.
    Just hope it was a programming restriction on last gen and we start to see this stuff implemented in the future. I trust Mike Wang, DCzar and the rest of the gameplay design team knows how much new life it would breath into this game.

    This. All of it...my next gen expectations was seeing the option for Drop Coverage, being able to match the sub patterns of the opponent (so Ben Simmons sits when Lebron does for instance) and a No Switching option on defense (which I simply wont play without) but it looks like we'll STILL have to play off-ball so we can be the low man on every possession?...in next gen? NOPE. Not happening....not in my house
    Add that to the fact that 2K's shooting is probably in the worst place its been since the series began. I'm definitely good. You guys let me know how it goes tho.
    rudyjuly2
    In terms of some of the comments about game atmosphere, do people want the fans to go crazy after every basket the entire game? I think a big alley oop is one thing but in real life the first quarter of a regular season NBA game would have more fans missing as they are still getting to their seats lol. I wonder if the crowd gets more into it later in the game or if there is a difference between a playoff game?

    Here's what my issue has been with crowd and atmosphere over the years:
    1. The actual sound of the crowd. For the longest time I've felt the crowd sounds artificial. This is an area I think the Live games have done a better job of actually sounding like a real life crowd. Others might disagree but just how I feel.
    2. Reacting appropriately. This is a mixed bag. Sometimes the crowd gets loud when they should or is quiet at appropriate times. But other times it's off and they are quiet when they shouldn't be or overreacting to plays.
    3. Chants and Arena sounds. This is an area that needs a big improvement. Games like Fifa and PES do a good job of getting real life arena chants in their games. A lot of fans know what their home arenas sound like and it can be grating hearing chants that home crowds don't actually do. I can understand if they aren't allowed to use certain PA sounds or cues from arenas but there shouldn't be an issue with using the actual chants that certain crowds have.
    ksuttonjr76
    Not necessarily true, but I have noticed that people who don't have pre-orders tended to be the loudest (not just here) about what they don't like. It's almost like they're trashing on next-gen games and consoles to feel good about still owning their XB1 or PS4.
    Take me for example...I'm just excited about the no/short loading screens, but the graphics look fine to me. However, I'm not one those people who expect "perfection" when it comes game art and movement. As long as it looks and plays good 99% of the time, I'm good to go. I have yet to play the "perfect" game.
    Or the ones that talk about how the game sucks and they're not going to buy it, but are in EVERY Post talking about their dislike for the game. Ok, we got it.
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    coolcras7
    Anyone here actually been to a real-life NBA game? Most people are not in their seats before the game starts period, and second, no one is jumping out of their seat 2 minutes into a game.
    Exactly. I was thinking the same thing.
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    scottyp180
    Here's what my issue has been with crowd and atmosphere over the years:
    1. The actual sound of the crowd. For the longest time I've felt the crowd sounds artificial. This is an area I think the Live games have done a better job of actually sounding like a real life crowd. Others might disagree but just how I feel.
    2. Reacting appropriately. This is a mixed bag. Sometimes the crowd gets loud when they should or is quiet at appropriate times. But other times it's off and they are quiet when they shouldn't be or overreacting to plays.
    3. Chants and Arena sounds. This is an area that needs a big improvement. Games like Fifa and PES do a good job of getting real life arena chants in their games. A lot of fans know what their home arenas sound like and it can be grating hearing chants that home crowds don't actually do. I can understand if they aren't allowed to use certain PA sounds or cues from arenas but there shouldn't be an issue with using the actual chants that certain crowds have.

    1. Not only is the crowd real, it’s from the actual arenas for all 30 teams.. this was added a few years ago
    3. They have tons of arena specific PA cues and chants, there’s thousands of them.. not up to date enough for you?
    ksuttonjr76
    Huh? Fast load times is an indication of better hardware. Games didn't have much "load times" back then, because the games wasn't as "complex". As the game got more complex, we started seeing more and more loading screens. Now, the next-gen console have technology that can load those "complex" worlds quicker.

    That's not what I mean. Back then, ten years ago, if you played a new game on the hardware of the time you did have long loading times. If you played it today on a new machine you get short load times, because the computer loads an older game faster since, as you say, it wasn't as complex as today.
    Fallout New Vegas had long load times when you entered or exited a building, but if I play it today on my computer the load time is a fraction of it. GTA IV, or Red Dead Redemption 2, takes a relatively long time to load on the PS4, even though it was developed for that specific hardware.
    That's what I'm saying. The ultra quick load time we saw from team select screen to in game tells me that this is more or less just a graphics upgrade instead of a whole next-gen overhaul of a game.
    Mr.Clutch_Knicks12
    I wasn’t very impressed with the gameplay. The graphics look good, but there were some parts where the players were standing there kind of awkwardly.
    The animations looked virtually identical to last-gen — a little choppy, and there really isn’t any visible improvement over last gen in terms of how they move (perhaps foot planting aside).

    That's exactly what I saw as well. This seems more like a cosmetic upgrade than a whole new next gen experience.
    The 24th Letter
    You're triggering yourself.
    He literally asked question and gave his take on it. Not everyone offering an opinion other than a critical one is being condescending.
    but to actually answer Rudy's question-
    I know you played Live 19 like me, where they were probably a bit overboard with the atmosphere that particular year. I definitely dont want that...
    but the very first highlight here is a good example IMO
    https://youtu.be/wtvXbOx40rU

    Yeah, my point was to just ask what people wanted. Do people want a crazy crowd all game long? Do they want more game specific cheering (late game, big plays, playoffs). We don’t know the context here. Maybe the devs have more excitement later in the game. I don’t know.
    My reply wasn’t meant to trigger or diss Optik lol. I wasn’t even criticizing his take. I was just looking for clarity of expectations. I have zero issues with criticism of games. I personally don’t think the video clip is long enough to make strong conclusions about a lot of things.
    KyotoCarl
    That's not what I mean. Back then, ten years ago, if you played a new game on the hardware of the time you did have long loading times. If you played it today on a new machine you get short load times, because the computer loads an older game faster since, as you say, it wasn't as complex as today.
    Fallout New Vegas had long load times when you entered or exited a building, but if I play it today on my computer the load time is a fraction of it. GTA IV, or Red Dead Redemption 2, takes a relatively long time to load on the PS4, even though it was developed for that specific hardware.
    That's what I'm saying. The ultra quick load time we saw from team select screen to in game tells me that this is more or less just a graphics upgrade instead of a whole next-gen overhaul of a game.

    You do realize that one of the major selling points of these next gen consoles is blazing fast load times for every game, and not just 2K, right?
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    Gosens6
    You do realize that one of the major selling points of these next gen consoles is blazing fast load times for every game, and not just 2K, right?
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    Yes of course, but that's a selling point of every new console. There is no way that 2K22 or 23 will load that fast.
    I could be wrong but looking at the video, where you still have cutaways and replays being choppy, it tells me they are still using alot of the same code as they do for current gen, because it has been that way for years. There is no reason replays should be choppy, even on a Ps4 or PC.
    Everything looks great. The only weird glitchy part I noticed was when Ingram and Holiday were just standing there and were wavering side to side which was really odd. Nevertheless my hyped to get it say one.
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    Gameplay looks pretty solid, the court and lighting is just amazing..
    But there is a certain degree of looking cartoon-ish (for lack of a better word) that I just didn't expect when the jump to next gen happened. Maybe it's just something that will work itself out over the next couple of years though. It's there with the players but especially there with Allie LaForce, it's not bad it just feels like a cross between real life and a Disney character. She definitely doesn't look "next gen", she hardly looks current gen.
    Steph's random hunched over dribbling pre-game looks strange. And around the 40 second mark Jrue and BI are both rocking side to side in the same exact rhythm with the same expressions and head movements.... Just looks like something you would expect from way back in 2k6 or something like they had just added pre-game scenes, not something they've been working on for 20 years and now have "next gen" capabilities and it's still bad.
    In the little footage I've seen the hands seem off too. Not grabbing the rims during dunks, Zion is adjusting his shorts around the 1 minute mark but isn't actually touching/doing anything, looks like his hands are stiff with frostbite or something. Not enough close ups to see how they look when catching a pass or dribbling.. It's weird because it seems like that's something that has taken a step backwards for whatever reason.
    Crowd still looks pretty stale.
    I'm usually in here every year telling everyone griping that they are being ridiculous and that the game looks amazing given the capabilities.. But I find myself on the other side this year. Perhaps I expected too much from "next gen" but I'm just not overly impressed with what little I've seen thus far. This seems like a substantially smaller jump than the jump to 2k14, I think everyone was blown away with that jump.
    KyotoCarl
    Yes of course, but that's a selling point of every new console. There is no way that 2K22 or 23 will load that fast.
    I could be wrong but looking at the video, where you still have cutaways and replays being choppy, it tells me they are still using alot of the same code as they do for current gen, because it has been that way for years. There is no reason replays should be choppy, even on a Ps4 or PC.

    That’s the result of the SSD, not the amount of information the game needs to load. It can load up to 10 times faster than an HDD. You’re not going to suddenly see 40GB games go to 400GB in a couple of months. You won’t see that for years, if not decades. Even if games have doubled in size by the end of this generation, loading will still be way faster than anything we experienced in current gen.
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    Seems like alot of you (NOT ALL!) have a agenda. Trash the game because your not getting it. I didn't say all. I keep seeing certain names pop up over and over trashing it. Here's the reality. I keep seeing its a cosmetic upgrade lol. Keep telling yourself that. When I load this up on my 4k TV with instant load OMG!
    You guys been talking about foot planting for YEARSSSSS. Skating for YEARSSSSS. This has been one of the top issues on operation sports for YEARSSSS Now it seems VASTLY improved and you like "its the same game" Really? Can you imagine playing it with this new foot planting technology WHILE instantly loading WHILE soaking up the improved graphics WITH improved game modes. Come on guys. Seems like some (some) just trying to convince themselves.
    Everything we found out so far current generation seems like the ultimate trash. My opinion. I won't touch it. We all know ng gonna kill current. The same game? Really? Is it gonna be the same tomorrow with improved game modes? Now don't throw hissy fits I said SOME of you are just hatin.
    I will leave my next generation review when I get it. My review after I PLAY the game on a 4K TV with the controller in my hands. Not my review of a 3 min 1080p video. Same game?
    haloofduty
    Seems like alot of you (NOT ALL!) have a agenda. Trash the game because your not getting it. I didn't say all. I keep seeing certain names pop up over and over trashing it. Here's the reality. I keep seeing its a cosmetic upgrade lol. Keep telling yourself that. When I load this up on my 4k TV with instant load OMG!
    You guys been talking about foot planting for YEARSSSSS. Skating for YEARSSSSS. This has been one of the top issues on operation sports for YEARSSSS Now it seems VASTLY improved and you like "its the same game" Really? Can you imagine playing it with this new foot planting technology WHILE instantly loading WHILE soaking up the improved graphics WITH improved game modes. Come on guys. Seems like some (some) just trying to convince themselves.
    Everything we found out so far current generation seems like the ultimate trash. My opinion. I won't touch it. We all know ng gonna kill current. The same game? Really? Is it gonna be the same tomorrow with improved game modes? Now don't throw hissy fits I said SOME of you are just hatin.
    I will leave my next generation review when I get it. My review after I PLAY the game on a 4K TV with the controller in my hands. Not my review of a 3 min 1080p video. Same game?

    You saying 4k tv all caps like you the only person who got one we have a 4k tv in every room in my house. We’ve had 4k tvs since 2014
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    Ok I'll say it. I'm more underwhelmed with the animations. I think many here are finally seeing it. I noticed it from the very first vid. When they said ground up I was expecting a whole new type of animation movement.
    You can have this vid at 8k and it wouldn't make a difference since I will still see the 2kism.
    Maybe in the future. I do look forward on creating my big next gen. God I do hope that I can finally create a pure rim protector without him moving like a slug. He doesn't turn around at all when playing defense sometimes. I'm sure other bigs here can relate.
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    kjwill22
    You saying 4k tv all caps like you the only person who got one we have a 4k tv in every room in my house. We’ve had 4k tvs since 2014
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    Kinda obvious I meant playing it at home on the proper TV. Some things go over people head I guess
    basehead617
    1. Not only is the crowd real, it’s from the actual arenas for all 30 teams.. this was added a few years ago
    3. They have tons of arena specific PA cues and chants, there’s thousands of them.. not up to date enough for you?

    1. Maybe it's the way the crowd sound is mix but to me it just doesn't sound the same as an actual broadcast. I also feel like there is a mix of actual real crowd noise from arenas and some generic crowd noise. Some reactions sound more authentic while others sound generic.
    3. I'm sure they do but I also hear plenty of generic ones as well. I remember the year they introduced the authentic crowd noise and there were plenty of fans that watch and attend games calling out the inaccuracies. People that know the arenas can point out what sounds authentic and what doesn't, what chants certain arenas chant and which ones they don't.
    It might sound great if you don't know the arenas but when you do any inaccuracies jumps out at you.
    I'm not expecting perfection I'm just pointing out things that could make atmosphere a bit better. Really the biggest one is the one you didnt mention, more accurate reactions. It's gotten better but there are still plenty of times when the crowd is quiet or cheering at wrong time.
    2K seems to use the term "ground up" very loosely. I'm excited for the game, I feel like I'm one of the more optimistic people on here, but this doesn't fit my definition of "ground up." To me, and many others, ground up means everything is built from the ground up. Brand new everything. This essentially is the same 2k with modifications.
    But I've been a fan long enough to know that this isn't the first time 2k hyped something up that didn't quite live up to what they said. I can see why people are disappointed but I guess I'm not completely surprised. Plus typically when sports games truly are rebuilt from the ground up or introduce a brand new engine it's one step forward 2 or more steps back. Usually there will be a better foundation but other areas of gameplay are worse than they were before. In a way I'm disappointed this doesnt look unlike any 2k before it but I'm also a little relieved it's not one of those "new engine" situations where it will take 2 or 3 years for the game to truly reach it's potential with this year being a rough draft.
    All that said, end of the day I'm sure I'll love the game. There is plenty of new here for me to enjoy. I've played and liked iterations with far less improvements than this. But for others I guess it's understandable why they expected more after hearing "built from the ground up."
    This thread is mostly a big debate that I have little interest in, but re: this comment:
    ksuttonjr76
    No...the way people be complaining around here they WERE expecting every damn legacy issue to be addressed and EVERY player model to be spot on. So no, I disagree with your assessment that people weren't expecting some phenomenal leap in graphics and gameplay. My expectations were tempered a long time ago due to COVID-19 and most developers are working from home now. I work from home myself, so I know FOR FACT that the experience and resources available to you is no where near like it would be in the actual building. If we didn't have a pandemic happening, then yes...I would be expecting more, because they could have 100% dedicated time and effort to the current AND next-gen games.

    As someone who found the initial trailer a little disappointing (not the Zion one, but the one with actual on-the-court footage), that disappointment goes 100% back to 2K's claim that they were building this game "from the ground up." You make the point that the pandemic may have kept them from addressing certain nagging legacy issues, but if they were truly building the game "from the ground up," the very concept of a legacy issue is just nonsensical. There would surely be bugs and design missteps, but they would be new problems in what would be overall a much-improved game architecture.
    To give an example in a different sector: Most people here probably aren't familiar with musical notation software, but for many years the industry standards have been these two programs called Sibelius and Finale, both of which are great but have legacy issues, inefficiencies, and limitations that the developers cannot effectively address because they're at the core of the software's architecture. They'd essentially have to start from scratch and create an entirely new product to fix them. Recently, another company came along and poached a lot of the Sibelius developer team to build a new, competing notation software called Dorico, which during its development was being hyped as "built from the ground up" to avoid the limitations everyone hates in the older programs. When it was released, it totally lived up to the hype, and even though for the first year the program was too buggy and lacking in features to truly replace the older, more mature software, it was clearly based on totally fresh code that had MUCH more potential / flexibility. Now it's far and away the best notation program, and users of the old programs are mostly just holdovers who learned how to make-do with those programs' limitations and don't want to learn a whole new way of doing things.
    Now, in the above case, the developers of the new program had no choice but to build it from the ground up, since they were working with a new company that didn't hold the patents for the older programs. 2K was under no such legal burden, but they DID make the claim that they would be building the game from the ground up to take advantage of new possibilities on next-gen, and that just wasn't true. This wasn't a casualty of the pandemic either, since in order to do what they were claiming, they would've had to start WAY earlier than that and probably would've had to have been 100% done with the underlying engine before the pandemic even happened, in order to allow for time to do cosmetic things. I totally give 2K a pass for all of the pandemic-related shortcomings, like not launching with all new face scans, etc., but this is not one of them.
    Ultimately my mood re: next-gen is just that I'm very mildly bummed. Current-gen 2K is already a phenomenal game and it'll be all the more fun on next-gen, which I had always planned on getting for 2K22 anyway. But still, it's like if you went to Disney World, got in line to get in, overheard someone saying there's some new rollercoaster that just opened, then get in the park only to find that the new rollercoaster is in fact NOT open to the public yet. Like, yeah, that's disappointing, just because you were explicitly expecting something that didn't materialize, but still, you're at Disney World. Can't be too mad. That's where I'm at, personally.
    ojandpizza
    Gameplay looks pretty solid, the court and lighting is just amazing..
    But there is a certain degree of looking cartoon-ish (for lack of a better word) that I just didn't expect when the jump to next gen happened. Maybe it's just something that will work itself out over the next couple of years though. It's there with the players but especially there with Allie LaForce, it's not bad it just feels like a cross between real life and a Disney character. She definitely doesn't look "next gen", she hardly looks current gen.
    Steph's random hunched over dribbling pre-game looks strange. And around the 40 second mark Jrue and BI are both rocking side to side in the same exact rhythm with the same expressions and head movements.... Just looks like something you would expect from way back in 2k6 or something like they had just added pre-game scenes, not something they've been working on for 20 years and now have "next gen" capabilities and it's still bad.
    In the little footage I've seen the hands seem off too. Not grabbing the rims during dunks, Zion is adjusting his shorts around the 1 minute mark but isn't actually touching/doing anything, looks like his hands are stiff with frostbite or something. Not enough close ups to see how they look when catching a pass or dribbling.. It's weird because it seems like that's something that has taken a step backwards for whatever reason.
    Crowd still looks pretty stale.
    I'm usually in here every year telling everyone griping that they are being ridiculous and that the game looks amazing given the capabilities.. But I find myself on the other side this year. Perhaps I expected too much from "next gen" but I'm just not overly impressed with what little I've seen thus far. This seems like a substantially smaller jump than the jump to 2k14, I think everyone was blown away with that jump.
    You're being a little too nit picky. No game has mastered physical object interaction yet and use very similar techniques.
    This stuff is a lot worse in other third person games, for example feet going into the floor when walking or feet not touching stairs. Another example would be going into cover, in games like Metal Gear Solid 5 or Assassins Creed (before Origins), their backs and hand are clearly not touching anything.
    It won't bother you unless you go in replay and look at it closely.
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    vetmin
    This thread is mostly a big debate that I have little interest in, but re: this comment:
    As someone who found the initial trailer a little disappointing (not the Zion one, but the one with actual on-the-court footage), that disappointment goes 100% back to 2K's claim that they were building this game "from the ground up." You make the point that the pandemic may have kept them from addressing certain nagging legacy issues, but if they were truly building the game "from the ground up," the very concept of a legacy issue is just nonsensical. There would surely be bugs and design missteps, but they would be new problems in what would be overall a much-improved game architecture.
    To give an example in a different sector: Most people here probably aren't familiar with musical notation software, but for many years the industry standards have been these two programs called Sibelius and Finale, both of which are great but have legacy issues, inefficiencies, and limitations that the developers cannot effectively address because they're at the core of the software's architecture. They'd essentially have to start from scratch and create an entirely new product to fix them. Recently, another company came along and poached a lot of the Sibelius developer team to build a new, competing notation software called Dorico, which during its development was being hyped as "built from the ground up" to avoid the limitations everyone hates in the older programs. When it was released, it totally lived up to the hype, and even though for the first year the program was too buggy and lacking in features to truly replace the older, more mature software, it was clearly based on totally fresh code that had MUCH more potential / flexibility. Now it's far and away the best notation program, and users of the old programs are mostly just holdovers who learned how to make-do with those programs' limitations and don't want to learn a whole new way of doing things.
    Now, in the above case, the developers of the new program had no choice but to build it from the ground up, since they were working with a new company that didn't hold the patents for the older programs. 2K was under no such legal burden, but they DID make the claim that they would be building the game from the ground up to take advantage of new possibilities on next-gen, and that just wasn't true. This wasn't a casualty of the pandemic either, since in order to do what they were claiming, they would've had to start WAY earlier than that and probably would've had to have been 100% done with the underlying engine before the pandemic even happened, in order to allow for time to do cosmetic things. I totally give 2K a pass for all of the pandemic-related shortcomings, like not launching with all new face scans, etc., but this is not one of them.
    Ultimately my mood re: next-gen is just that I'm very mildly bummed. Current-gen 2K is already a phenomenal game and it'll be all the more fun on next-gen, which I had always planned on getting for 2K22 anyway. But still, it's like if you went to Disney World, got in line to get in, overheard someone saying there's some new rollercoaster that just opened, then get in the park only to find that the new rollercoaster is in fact NOT open to the public yet. Like, yeah, that's disappointing, just because you were explicitly expecting something that didn't materialize, but still, you're at Disney World. Can't be too mad. That's where I'm at, personally.

    Personally, I believe people are thinking too much into a few 3-7 second clips, screenshots, and a 3 minute video to something, but really showed nothing. I'm guilty of it too when discussing the MyPlayer builder, but 95% of my "opinion" will be based on when I actually play the game. As someone stated earlier, I'm giving pretty much giving all game companies a pass this year due to COVID-19. As far as I'm concern, none of the next-gen games are absolutely blowing me out of the water. I'm excited for the "little" things, but there's not a single game that's going to make consumers absolutely lust for a next-gen console.
    You mentioned that would have needed to start early therefore the game shouldn't be a "casualty" of the pandemic...how do you know that the bulk of their development wasn't intended for until after March?
    I really don’t get why ppl feel the need to defend 2k at every turn. I get that beluba is cool and generally NBA2k has had a good relationship with OS dating back to 10-15 years ago, but they are not a startup, they’re one of the biggest game developers on the planet. These pandemic excuses are so whack. They’ve most likely been working on this game for years, do you really think the legacy issues were going to get ironed out in the past 6 months?
    NBA2k is a business not a charity, I think everyone is entitled to their opinions, as ridiculous as some may be. I have zero interest in myplayer or neighborhood or what have you, but I am not going to argue with someone else who has a different complaint than I do. People who feel the need to defend 2k vs any criticism really need to sit back.
    The game is really going to halt its progression if ppl keep blindly defending it instead of calling them out on what they can and should change or improve upon.
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    There's a reason the tag line "built from the ground up" was followed by "Next Gen graphics, load times, and power."
    They didn't say all prior animation assets were discarded and replaced, legacy issues were resolved, or that every player had been scanned or updated to match their present real life physical appearance.
    It means the game was optimized for the next gen systems. Just like 2K14 was. That game was still very much, "2K", and 2K21 will be as well.
    Horizon, Spiderman MM, Sackboy were all said to be "built from the ground up" for PS5 as well. I can guarantee you there won't be new levels, characters and story elements because of that claim. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you take it that way.
    That said, I don't blame people for their overall "next gen" expectations not being met, depending on what they were. Luckily 2K is one of the few games to show some real, raw gameplay...so an informed decision can be made.
    sva91
    I really don’t get why ppl feel the need to defend 2k at every turn. I get that beluba is cool and generally NBA2k has had a good relationship with OS dating back to 10-15 years ago, but they are not a startup, they’re one of the biggest game developers on the planet. These pandemic excuses are so whack. They’ve most likely been working on this game for years, do you really think the legacy issues were going to get ironed out in the past 6 months?
    NBA2k is a business not a charity, I think everyone is entitled to their opinions, as ridiculous as some may be. I have zero interest in myplayer or neighborhood or what have you, but I am not going to argue with someone else who has a different complaint than I do. People who feel the need to defend 2k vs any criticism really need to sit back.
    The game is really going to halt its progression if ppl keep blindly defending it instead of calling them out on what they can and should change or improve upon.
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    Then why don't go work for them and show them how it's done during a pandemic?
    I CLEARLY stated that I'm giving ALL game companies a pass this year. I CLEARLY said that there hasn't been any next-gen GAMES that has blown me out of the water yet. I'm excited for some, but I have tempered expectations.
    You need to chill with your condensing and "the sky is falling" weak mindset. You would have an argument against me if I was saying that NBA 2K21 was going to be the greatest next-gen game ever. But I haven't said that, have I?
    That's not what I mean. Back then, ten years ago, if you played a new game on the hardware of the time you did have long loading times. If you played it today on a new machine you get short load times, because the computer loads an older game faster since, as you say, it wasn't as complex as today.
    Fallout New Vegas had long load times when you entered or exited a building, but if I play it today on my computer the load time is a fraction of it. GTA IV, or Red Dead Redemption 2, takes a relatively long time to load on the PS4, even though it was developed for that specific hardware.
    That's what I'm saying. The ultra quick load time we saw from team select screen to in game tells me that this is more or less just a graphics upgrade instead of a whole next-gen overhaul of a game.
    Whew... Tough room.
    ksuttonjr76
    Then why don't go work for them and show them how it's done during a pandemic?
    I CLEARLY stated that I'm giving ALL game companies a pass this year. I CLEARLY said that there hasn't been any next-gen GAMES that has blown me out of the water yet. I'm excited for some, but I have tempered expectations.
    You need to chill with your condensing and "the sky is falling" weak mindset. You would have an argument against me if I was saying that NBA 2K21 was going to be the greatest next-gen game ever. But I haven't said that, have I?

    I’ve stated time and time again, you can have your opinion, just let others have theirs too. Your opinion: “game looks good to me, I’m excited about faster loading times, I give them a pass because of covid.” Thats great! That’s YOUR opinion. Not everyone shares that sentiment. Let them have their opinion without you needing to justify yours vs theirs. If someone says “it doesn’t look next gen to me” you don’t need to butt in and say “yes it does!” or “give me an example of next gen graphics”. It’s not that difficult to comprehend, my man.
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    The 24th Letter
    There's a reason the tag line "built from the ground up" was followed by "Next Gen graphics, load times, and power."

    It means the game was optimized for the next gen systems. Just like 2K14 was. That game was still very much, "2K", and 2K21 will be as well.
    Horizon, Spiderman MM, Sackboy were all said to be "built from the ground up" for PS5 as well. I can guarantee you there won't be new levels, characters and story elements because of that claim. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you take it that way.
    That said, I don't blame people for their overall "next gen" expectations not being met, depending on what they were. Luckily 2K is one of the few games to show some real, raw gameplay...so an informed decision can be made.

    For some people, when they think of "built from the ground up", the bold is the only thing that their brain will recognize as being legitimate. Obviously they are going to be pitching a bitch when that isn't the case, and the accusations of lies being told will be said ad nauseum. Unfortunately it can't be helped.
    sva91
    I’ve stated time and time again, you can have your opinion, just let others have theirs too. Your opinion: “game looks good to me, I’m excited about faster loading times, I give them a pass because of covid.” Thats great! That’s YOUR opinion. Not everyone shares that sentiment. Let them have their opinion without you needing to justify yours vs theirs. If someone says “it doesn’t look next gen to me” you don’t need to butt in and say “yes it does!” or “give me an example of next gen graphics”. It’s not that difficult to comprehend, my man.
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    Those are empty opinions, but quite a few of y'all had already condemned the game as nothing new based on a very small samples of the game. I understand people complaining about legacy issues, but I would challenge them to watch at least 10 minutes of "serious" gameplay before coming to that conclusion. Then there are people, like you, who's trying to raise some type of mutiny against NBA 2K without taking in the context of what's going on this particular year.
    The more and more complaints I hear, the more and more convinced I become that people were really expecting photorealistic and an exact replica of NBA gameplay. Then people are acting like it's not common knowledge that developers get more and more used to programming for a new console as the years go by.
    What's going to be ironic, is that the same people that condemn this game as being nothing new will be the same people buying the game, then bashing it until they can't bash it any more.
    I can respect an individual that can make a critique or complaint, but they still have the open mind to wait and see what the final product is going to be.
    ksuttonjr76
    Those are empty opinions, but quite a few of y'all had already condemned the game as nothing new based on a very small samples of the game. I understand people complaining about legacy issues, but I would challenge them to watch at least 10 minutes of "serious" gameplay before coming to that conclusion. Then there are people, like you, who's trying to raise some type of mutiny against NBA 2K without taking in the context of what's going on this particular year.
    The more and more complaints I hear, the more and more convinced I become that people were really expecting photorealistic and an exact replica of NBA gameplay. Then people are acting like it's not common knowledge that developers get more and more used to programming for a new console as the years go by.

    It’s an opinion thread based on videos we are seeing, not the full game, obviously. If ppl were expecting photorealism, let them, that’s my point. I wouldn’t even mention anything, but you literally try to argue with every single person criticizing the game based on footage we have seen. Why? We don’t need “perspective”, it’s an opinion. Give yours and move on.
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    sva91
    It’s an opinion thread based on videos we are seeing, not the full game, obviously. If ppl were expecting photorealism, let them, that’s my point. I wouldn’t even mention anything, but you literally try to argue with every single person criticizing the game based on footage we have seen. Why? We don’t need “perspective”, it’s an opinion. Give yours and move on.
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    I'm sorry. Who are you to me again?
    ksuttonjr76
    I'm sorry. Who are you to me again?

    The 20th guy you’ve replied to, and annoyed, defending 2k like you’re on their payroll.
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    sva91
    It’s an opinion thread based on videos we are seeing, not the full game, obviously. If ppl were expecting photorealism, let them, that’s my point. I wouldn’t even mention anything, but you literally try to argue with every single person criticizing the game based on footage we have seen. Why? We don’t need “perspective”, it’s an opinion. Give yours and move on.
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    If its a opinion based thread shouldn't people be allowed to give there opinion on overreactions. I understand some of yall issues but my God the complaining lol. Its mostly a bashing complaint thread. As I read complaint after complaint it makes me want to respond also.
    There are some very valid concerns. Then there is obvious bashing and constant complaining. The people who have valid concerns probably are going to get the game at launch or down the line. Its OBVIOUS the complainers and bashers aren't getting it or cant get it. So if not getting it then why the constant negativity? Go play your current generation 2k21.
    The real posters have well explained concerns. The Live crowd (yea I recognize some of yall names)and the not getting the game crowd are the bashers. Its fine you have concerns but when you obviously are just bashing then people will respond. When I read people post I'm sensing anger lol. Calm down its a video game.
    haloofduty
    If its a opinion based thread shouldn't people be allowed to give there opinion on overreactions. I understand some of yall issues but my God the complaining lol. Its mostly a bashing complaint thread. As I read complaint after complaint it makes me want to respond also.
    There are some very valid concerns. Then there is obvious bashing and constant complaining. The people who have valid concerns probably are going to get the game at launch or down the line. Its OBVIOUS the complainers and bashers aren't getting it or cant get it. So if not getting it then why the constant negativity? Go play your current generation 2k21.
    The real posters have well explained concerns. The Live crowd (yea I recognize some of yall names)and the not getting the game crowd are the bashers. Its fine you have concerns but when you obviously are just bashing then people will respond. When I read people post I'm sensing anger lol. Calm down its a video game.

    Good point, I totally agree. I got annoyed because I brought up valid player model issues that a lot of ppl agree on, with reference pictures, and this dude said the models “look fine” and it’s “a video game”. And then goes on to dismiss a bunch of other ppl because their expectations are too high...But yeah, ppl bashing it with no validity are obnoxious.
    sva91
    Good point, I totally agree. I got annoyed because I brought up valid player model issues that a lot of ppl agree on, with reference pictures, and this dude said the models “look fine” and it’s “a video game”. And then goes on to dismiss a bunch of other ppl because their expectations are too high...But yeah, ppl bashing it with no validity are obnoxious.
    Excuse me for preferring the artistic direction of NBA 2K over NBA Live .
    ksuttonjr76
    Excuse me for preferring the artistic direction of NBA 2K over NBA Live .

    Bro, Everyone agrees that the player models are bad. You literally said the player models “were fine”. I used some Live reference pics to showcase player length. The artistic direction obviously doesnt bother you, so why do you feel the need to meddle in everyone’s comment regarding that? Just sit that one out bruh. I’m done arguing on this thread. Peace.
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    ksuttonjr76
    Personally, I believe people are thinking too much into a few 3-7 second clips, screenshots, and a 3 minute video to something, but really showed nothing. I'm guilty of it too when discussing the MyPlayer builder, but 95% of my "opinion" will be based on when I actually play the game. As someone stated earlier, I'm giving pretty much giving all game companies a pass this year due to COVID-19. As far as I'm concern, none of the next-gen games are absolutely blowing me out of the water. I'm excited for the "little" things, but there's not a single game that's going to make consumers absolutely lust for a next-gen console.
    You mentioned that would have needed to start early therefore the game shouldn't be a "casualty" of the pandemic...how do you know that the bulk of their development wasn't intended for until after March?

    I mean, for anyone who is used to playing 2K, it doesn't take much more than 10 seconds of gameplay footage to see that 2K21 next-gen runs on more or less the same engine as current-gen. Regardless of how you feel about that fact, it's a pretty straightforward observation, like noticing that the old Mega Man games all run on essentially the same engine, despite progressively improving graphics, features, etc.
    That said, I do think people are criticizing a lot of things that are impossible to judge at this point. All the criticism of the defense / AI are IMO completely premature, since so many factors presumably still play into that (sliders, coach settings, etc.). And it's totally ridiculous that people are complaining about face scans when all these players' lives and the league schedule itself have been turned upside down by the pandemic. I made that point in a few posts in the face scans thread.
    Re: "how do you know that the bulk of their development wasn't intended for until after March?"
    If we're talking about the task of starting totally from scratch on the in-game physics and how the user input and AI interact with that (i.e., the most fundamental aspect of the game; the "ground" in the phrase "from the ground up") -- and on a brand-new generation of consoles, no less -- then I'm just going on common sense, since that's a gargantuan, exploratory, trial-and-error-laden, testing-heavy task and completely insane to be leaving until just a few months before you have to give manufacturers a finished product to press onto discs and ship all over the world. Not to mention so many other aspects of the game would need to be built on top of it. It would be like deciding on the topic of your master's thesis the weekend before your thesis is supposed to be presented. Had the pandemic not happened, we would no doubt have a better current-gen and next-gen game -- both because the NBA season and the 2K team's workflow wouldn't have been disrupted -- but timing-wise it just doesn't make sense that the pandemic could have meaningfully disrupted any grand re-design of the core game mechanics. Clearly it was just never in the cards.
    The 24th Letter
    There's a reason the tag line "built from the ground up" was followed by "Next Gen graphics, load times, and power."
    They didn't say all prior animation assets were discarded and replaced, legacy issues were resolved, or that every player had been scanned or updated to match their present real life physical appearance.
    It means the game was optimized for the next gen systems. Just like 2K14 was. That game was still very much, "2K", and 2K21 will be as well.
    Horizon, Spiderman MM, Sackboy were all said to be "built from the ground up" for PS5 as well. I can guarantee you there won't be new levels, characters and story elements because of that claim. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you take it that way.
    That said, I don't blame people for their overall "next gen" expectations not being met, depending on what they were. Luckily 2K is one of the few games to show some real, raw gameplay...so an informed decision can be made.

    At least in my case, I fully concede that I'm not a gamer. I only play 2K, and even then I've never experienced a generation change and heard how the gaming community talks about that. Maybe it's understood among gamers that "built from the ground up" re: video games is just a common bit of hyperbole that everyone appreciates as such, just like how most people wouldn't take the words "new approach" to necessarily mean a complete overhaul.
    But I -- and it sounds like others -- understood the phrase in the way it's generally used in tech. Like if a friend tells me that he had to rebuild the company database "from the ground up," he almost certainly means that he took all the company's raw data and started from essentially nothing in building a new framework to interpret that data. If someone tells me they had to rebuild their company's web site "from the ground up," that never means that they just changed their WordPress theme; it means they straight-up started over on the basic structure of the thing, even if the company logo and bio are still the same. Same deal with software, like the music notation program I mentioned in my previous post. In gaming, the transition from Super Mario World to Super Mario 64 is what I'd think of as a "from the ground up" treatment of the Mario franchise, even if the characters, atmosphere, etc. were unchanged.
    Honestly, over the summer as the pandemic raged on, what I was thinking we'd get with next-gen is a game that has their new, "from the ground up" engine at like 90% of what they would have achieved minus COVID, and what I expected to be really hit hard by the pandemic were superficial things like face scans, crowd noise, commentary, etc. In other words, I expected -- and was totally fine with -- their having mostly finished baking the cake, but for the icing to be all messed up, when in reality the plan was always to serve more or less the same old (admittedly very yummy) cake and focus primarily on upping their icing game.
    Bottom line: I'm totally cool with a next-gen-optimized version of the engine they're running on current-gen. I feel like one of the few who thinks 2K21 current-gen plays a lot better than 2K20, and I've loved every 2K that I've played. Great series. Their language just got my hopes up for more than it appears they will deliver; someone promised me 4 scoops of ice cream with chocolate, caramel, and sprinkles and only gave me 3 scoops with chocolate. I'm good lol, and I may very well have simply misunderstood how people talk / promote in the gaming world.
    Da InFaMoUs NY
    4K footage from IGN. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcBe4P-abl0
    created a players and unscanned faces are the same and will have the generic head presets from the past 2 games. They will look even worst now next to the improved next gen models.


    These screenshots do a great job of showing the cartoonish effect I was referencing in my post. I’m not sure what it is but it’s almost like there is a semi-cartoony filter overlaying everything on the floor. Klay and Jrue don’t look like a good representation of actual skin texture at all IMO..
    This is stolen from a post in the Kobe updated thread, but look at the skin texturing of Kobe from 2k14 compared to that screenshot posted of Klay, or just any of the footage we’ve seen from next gen. Keep in mind this is 7 games ago, previous gen capabilities, I definitely was expecting something a bit better than what I’ve seen thus far.

    Perhaps 2k is doing this because there is most certainly a almost cartoon-like appearance to my player story characters and all the park modes and stuff... but I feel as if their focus should be aiming to make that more realistic rather than overlaying the real game with a slight cartoonish looking filter effect.
    A lot of what I’m talking about seems a bit better the closer you get, but gets worse during gameplay. And perhaps it’s something they are also still refining at this late stage.
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    ojandpizza
    Gameplay looks pretty solid, the court and lighting is just amazing..
    But there is a certain degree of looking cartoon-ish (for lack of a better word) that I just didn't expect when the jump to next gen happened. Maybe it's just something that will work itself out over the next couple of years though. It's there with the players but especially there with Allie LaForce, it's not bad it just feels like a cross between real life and a Disney character. She definitely doesn't look "next gen", she hardly looks current gen.
    Steph's random hunched over dribbling pre-game looks strange. And around the 40 second mark Jrue and BI are both rocking side to side in the same exact rhythm with the same expressions and head movements.... Just looks like something you would expect from way back in 2k6 or something like they had just added pre-game scenes, not something they've been working on for 20 years and now have "next gen" capabilities and it's still bad.
    In the little footage I've seen the hands seem off too. Not grabbing the rims during dunks, Zion is adjusting his shorts around the 1 minute mark but isn't actually touching/doing anything, looks like his hands are stiff with frostbite or something. Not enough close ups to see how they look when catching a pass or dribbling.. It's weird because it seems like that's something that has taken a step backwards for whatever reason.
    Crowd still looks pretty stale.
    I'm usually in here every year telling everyone griping that they are being ridiculous and that the game looks amazing given the capabilities.. But I find myself on the other side this year. Perhaps I expected too much from "next gen" but I'm just not overly impressed with what little I've seen thus far. This seems like a substantially smaller jump than the jump to 2k14, I think everyone was blown away with that jump.

    ForeverVersatile
    You're being a little too nit picky. No game has mastered physical object interaction yet and use very similar techniques.
    This stuff is a lot worse in other third person games, for example feet going into the floor when walking or feet not touching stairs. Another example would be going into cover, in games like Metal Gear Solid 5 or Assassins Creed (before Origins), their backs and hand are clearly not touching anything.
    It won't bother you unless you go in replay and look at it closely.
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    Perhaps I am, but it also depends what parts of my post you’re referencing. If you’re strictly talking about the hands 2k has had plenty of their previous games with hands that moved and interacted better than I’ve seen in some of these clips. They have had games in the past where players would “grab” the rim and not just slap in its general direction. 2k knows it’s an issue too, even back on the trailer the scene cuts away from Dame and Zion before each of them actually finish their dunks.
    The Zion scene, maybe they can’t do better, but that scene doesn’t have to be there at all. He could have been stretching, or anything else other than looking like he has on mittens and is patting lint off the bottom of his jersey in an attempt to make him look as if he’s fixing his shorts.
    Saying it won’t bother me unless I go back and look at a relay might be true in most instances, but it bothered me watching this clip and they weren’t going back and watching a slow motion replay..
    I just can’t picture how we have cut scenes of Luka dapping up Cuban, camera man grabbing their camera and hands wrapping around the parts of it, floor guy sweeping the floor with his hands wrapped around the mop, mouth pieces hanging out of mouths, but lack consistency good grab animations and not have Zion actually be able to grab at his shorts, etc.
    It’s fine if this is where we are, but my expectations of what next gen would look like just weren’t this. That’s all I’m saying. It’s hard to say I’m nitpicking when we may/may not have had the same expectations coming into this. All the talk about how much more detailed and stuff for next gen games and the only thing that really blew me away in terms of “next gen detail” is the net. I expected most everything to look as improved as the net is. Like I said from the jump, perhaps my expectations were just too high, I won’t know until I’ve got my hands on other next gen titles to compare.
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