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NBA 2K19 NBA 2K19 Roster Update Details (12-17)

A new NBA 2K19 roster update is available. Check out the changes below.

GOING UP:

  • Kyle Kuzma: 84 OVR (+3)
  • JaMychal Green: 78 OVR (+3)
  • Monte Morris: 77 OVR (+3)
  • Landry Shamet: 74 OVR (+3)
  • Julius Randle: 85 OVR (+2)

  • Luka Doncic: 84 OVR (+2)
  • John Collins: 82 OVR (+2)
  • Spencer Dinwiddie: 82 OVR (+2)
  • Malcolm Brogdon: 82 OVR (+2)
  • Kelly Oubre Jr.: 78 OVR (+2)
  • J.J. Barea: 78 OVR (+2)
  • Jakob Poeltl: 77 OVR (+2)
  • Richaun Holmes: 77 OVR (+2)
  • Larry Nance Jr.: 77 OVR (+2)
  • Frank Kaminsky: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Justin Holiday: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Furkan Korkmaz: 75 OVR (+2)
  • Trey Burke: 75 OVR (+2)
  • Malik Beasley: 74 OVR (+2)
  • Damyean Dotson: 74 OVR (+2)
  • Thomas Bryant: 73 OVR (+2)
  • De’Anthony Melton: 72 OVR (+2)

GOING DOWN:

  • Russell Westbrook: 92 OVR (-1)
  • Kemba Walker: 89 OVR (-1)
  • DeMar DeRozan: 89 OVR (-1)
  • Klay Thompson: 88 OVR (-1)
  • Andre Drummond: 88 OVR (-1)
  • Chris Paul: 86 OVR (-1)
  • Al Horford: 85 OVR (-1)
  • Marc Gasol: 85 OVR (-1)
  • Mike Conley: 85 OVR (-1)
  • Deandre Ayton: 82 OVR (-1)
  • Louis Williams: 81 OVR (-1)
  • Montrezl Harrell: 81 OVR (-1)
  • Jamal Murray: 81 OVR (-1)
  • Gordon Hayward: 81 OVR (-1)
  • Harrison Barnes: 80 OVR (-1)
  • Domantas Sabonis: 80 OVR (-1)
  • Willie Cauley-Stein: 80 OVR (-1)

ALL CHANGES:

  • Kawhi Leonard: 95 OVR (+1)
  • Kyrie Irving: 92 OVR (+1)
  • Russell Westbrook: 92 OVR (-1)
  • Paul George: 90 OVR (+1)
  • Kemba Walker: 89 OVR (-1)
  • DeMar DeRozan: 89 OVR (-1)
  • Klay Thompson: 88 OVR (-1)
  • Andre Drummond: 88 OVR (-1)

  • Chris Paul: 86 OVR (-1)
  • Julius Randle: 85 OVR (+2)
  • Steven Adams: 85 OVR (+1)
  • Al Horford: 85 OVR (-1)
  • Marc Gasol: 85 OVR (-1)
  • Mike Conley: 85 OVR (-1)
  • Kyle Kuzma: 84 OVR (+3)
  • Luka Doncic: 84 OVR (+2)
  • D’Angelo Russell: 84 OVR (+1)
  • Zach LaVine: 84 OVR (-2)
  • Eric Bledsoe: 83 OVR (+1)
  • Paul Millsap: 83 OVR (+1)
  • Khris Middleton: 83 OVR (-2)
  • John Collins: 82 OVR (+2)
  • Spencer Dinwiddie: 82 OVR (+2)
  • Malcolm Brogdon: 82 OVR (+2)
  • Enes Kanter: 82 OVR (+1)
  • Deandre Ayton: 82 OVR (-1)
  • DeAndre Jordan: 82 OVR (-2)
  • Tristan Thompson: 81 OVR (+1)
  • Derrick Favors: 81 OVR (+1)
  • Louis Williams: 81 OVR (-1)
  • Montrezl Harrell: 81 OVR (-1)
  • Jamal Murray: 81 OVR (-1)
  • Gordon Hayward: 81 OVR (-1)
  • Rudy Gay: 80 OVR (+1)
  • Marcus Morris Sr: 80 OVR (+1)
  • Robert Covington: 80 OVR (+1)
  • Jarrett Allen: 80 OVR (+1)
  • Bojan Bogdanovic: 80 OVR (+1)
  • Buddy Hield: 80 OVR (+1)
  • Dennis Schroder: 80 OVR (+1)
  • Harrison Barnes: 80 OVR (-1)
  • Domantas Sabonis: 80 OVR (-1)
  • Willie Cauley-Stein: 80 OVR (-1)
  • Goran Dragic: 80 OVR (-2)
  • Josh Richardson: 80 OVR (-2)
  • Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: 79 OVR (+1)
  • Marcus Smart: 79 OVR (+1)
  • Bogdan Bogdanovic: 79 OVR (+1)
  • Marvin Bagley III: 79 OVR (+1)
  • Tony Parker: 79 OVR (+1)
  • Bam Adebayo: 79 OVR (+1)
  • Jaylen Brown: 79 OVR (-1)
  • JaMychal Green: 78 OVR (+3)
  • Kelly Oubre Jr.: 78 OVR (+2)
  • J.J. Barea: 78 OVR (+2)
  • Collin Sexton: 78 OVR (+1)
  • Nemanja Bjelica: 78 OVR (+1)
  • Darren Collison: 78 OVR (+1)
  • Brook Lopez: 78 OVR (-1)
  • Bobby Portis: 78 OVR (-1)
  • Trae Young: 78 OVR (-1)
  • Lonzo Ball: 78 OVR (-1)
  • Monte Morris: 77 OVR (+3)
  • Jakob Poeltl: 77 OVR (+2)
  • Richaun Holmes: 77 OVR (+2)
  • Larry Nance Jr.: 77 OVR (+2)
  • Mason Plumlee: 77 OVR (+1)
  • Emmanuel Mudiay: 77 OVR (+1)
  • Ed Davis: 77 OVR (+1)
  • Jeremy Lin: 77 OVR (+1)
  • Davis Bertans: 77 OVR (+1)
  • Justise Winslow: 77 OVR (+1)
  • Josh Hart: 77 OVR (-1)
  • Terrence Ross: 77 OVR (-1)
  • John Henson: 77 OVR (-1)
  • Tyreke Evans: 77 OVR (-1)
  • Jabari Parker: 77 OVR (-2)
  • Frank Kaminsky: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Justin Holiday: 76 OVR (+2)
  • Aron Baynes: 76 OVR (+1)
  • Avery Bradley: 76 OVR (+1)
  • Kevon Looney: 76 OVR (+1)
  • Zaza Pachulia: 76 OVR (+1)
  • Al-Farouq Aminu: 76 OVR (+1)
  • D.J. Augustin: 76 OVR (+1)
  • T.J. McConnell: 76 OVR (+1)
  • Joe Harris: 76 OVR (-1)
  • Rondae Hollis-Jefferson: 76 OVR (-1)
  • DeMarre Carroll: 76 OVR (-1)
  • Eric Gordon: 76 OVR (-1)
  • Ersan Ilyasova: 76 OVR (-1)
  • Delon Wright: 76 OVR (-1)
  • Evan Fournier: 76 OVR (-2)
  • Furkan Korkmaz: 75 OVR (+2)
  • Trey Burke: 75 OVR (+2)
  • Iman Shumpert: 75 OVR (+1)
  • Kevin Knox: 75 OVR (+1)
  • Daniel Theis: 75 OVR (+1)
  • Patrick Mills: 75 OVR (+1)
  • Noah Vonleh: 75 OVR (+1)
  • Pat Connaughton: 75 OVR (+1)
  • Tyson Chandler: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Wayne Ellington: 75 OVR (-1)
  • E’Twaun Moore: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Trey Lyles: 75 OVR (-1)
  • Andre Iguodala: 75 OVR (-1)
  • P.J. Tucker: 75 OVR (-1)
  • James Johnson: 75 OVR (-2)
  • Landry Shamet: 74 OVR (+3)
  • Malik Beasley: 74 OVR (+2)
  • Damyean Dotson: 74 OVR (+2)
  • Doug McDermott: 74 OVR (+1)
  • Matthew Dellavedova: 74 OVR (+1)
  • Stanley Johnson: 74 OVR (+1)
  • Devin Harris: 74 OVR (+1)
  • Harry Giles: 74 OVR (+1)
  • Robert Williams: 74 OVR (+1)
  • Troy Daniels: 74 OVR (+1)
  • Kyle Anderson: 74 OVR (-1)
  • Gerald Green: 74 OVR (-1)
  • Alex Len: 74 OVR (-1)
  • James Ennis: 74 OVR (-1)
  • OG Anunoby: 74 OVR (-1)
  • Garrett Temple: 74 OVR (-1)
  • Alec Burks: 74 OVR (-1)
  • Amir Johnson: 74 OVR (-2)
  • Thomas Bryant: 73 OVR (+2)
  • Quincy Pondexter: 73 OVR (+1)
  • Cameron Payne: 73 OVR (+1)
  • Raul Neto: 73 OVR (+1)
  • Thon Maker: 73 OVR (+1)
  • Dorian Finney-Smith: 73 OVR (+1)
  • Glenn Robinson III: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Jerian Grant: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Malik Monk: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Ish Smith: 73 OVR (-1)
  • C.J. Miles: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Evan Turner: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Tony Snell: 73 OVR (-1)
  • Omri Casspi: 73 OVR (-2)
  • Cedi Osman: 73 OVR (-2)
  • Robin Lopez: 73 OVR (-2)
  • Kosta Koufos: 73 OVR (-3)
  • De’Anthony Melton: 72 OVR (+2)
  • Sam Dekker: 72 OVR (+1)
  • Derrick Jones Jr.: 72 OVR (+1)
  • Tim Frazier: 72 OVR (+1)
  • Allen Crabbe: 72 OVR (-1)
  • Anthony Tolliver: 72 OVR (-1)
  • Ante Zizic: 72 OVR (-1)
  • Mitchell Robinson: 72 OVR (-1)
  • Patrick Patterson: 72 OVR (-1)
  • Ryan Anderson: 72 OVR (-1)
  • Wayne Selden Jr.: 72 OVR (-1)
  • Alfonzo McKinnie: 72 OVR (-1)
  • Milos Teodosic: 72 OVR (-2)
  • Channing Frye: 72 OVR (-2)
  • Sterling Brown: 71 OVR (+1)
  • Jason Smith: 71 OVR (+1)
  • Kevin Huerter: 71 OVR (+1)
  • Alex Abrines: 71 OVR (-1)
  • Luke Kennard: 71 OVR (-1)
  • Jose Calderon: 71 OVR (-1)
  • Antonio Blakeney: 71 OVR (-1)
  • Jared Dudley: 71 OVR (-2)
  • Tyus Jones: 71 OVR (-2)
  • Skal Labissiere: 71 OVR (-2)
  • Alex Poythress: 70 OVR (+1)
  • Shaquille Harrison: 70 OVR (+1)
  • Derrick White: 70 OVR (+1)
  • Michael Carter-Williams: 70 OVR (+1)
  • Jalen Brunson: 70 OVR (+1)
  • Ian Clark: 70 OVR (-1)
  • Jarell Martin: 70 OVR (-1)
  • Torrey Craig: 70 OVR (-1)
  • Andrew Harrison: 70 OVR (-1)
  • Seth Curry: 70 OVR (-2)
  • Ben McLemore: 70 OVR (-3)
  • Chimezie Metu: 69 OVR (+1)
  • Elie Okobo: 69 OVR (-1)
  • Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk: 69 OVR (-1)
  • Grayson Allen: 69 OVR (-2)
  • Tyler Dorsey: 68 OVR (-1)
  • Frank Jackson: 68 OVR (-2)
  • Isaiah Hartenstein: 67 OVR (-1)
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  1. 84 - Kyle Kuzma
    80 - Domantas Sabonis
    75 - Noah Vonleh
    Imagine being paid for this
    Kuzma: 18/6/2 (49-31-78) in 32 mpg (16.1 PER)
    Sabonis: 14/10/3 (62-83-75) in 24 mpg (23.4 PER)
    Vonleh: 8/8/2 (48-41-72) in 26 mpg (15.2 PER)
    Kyle Kuzma attributes
    54 Offensive Rebound
    74 Defensive Rebound
    72 Box Out

    Notable because Kuzma's rebound rates have gone DOWN, not up since last season. They are inflating him.
    2018: 3.9 ORB%, 17.4 DRB%
    2019: 2.7 ORB%, 15.3 DRB%
    By 2K's own scale this translates to approximately
    2018: 45 ORB, 69 DRB
    2019: 38 ORB, 64 DRB
    NBA2K: 54 ORB, 74 DRB
    79 Draw Foul
    84 Pass IQ
    73 Pass Accuracy

    Kuzma averages 3.2 FTA per 36 minutes. On 16.5 FGA36. Do the math there.
    Kuzma averages a paltry 2.5 AST per 36 minutes on a modest 1.3 ATR.
    97 Shot IQ
    98 Offensive Consistency
    95 Intangibles

    The main OVR inflaters.
    I don't know what would even possess them to give him an 84. He's a one-way player.
    88 Kristaps Porzingis (2018): 20.4 PER, 54 TS%, 31 USG%, 20 DRB%, 6.4 BLK% (lead league)
    87 Blake Griffin: 21.5 PER, 58 TS%, 30 USG%, 24 DRB%, 25 AST%
    87 Kevin Love (2018): 22.4 PER, 61 TS%, 25 USG%, 30 DRB%
    86 Tobias Harris: 18.3 PER, 60 TS%, 24 USG%, 22 DRB%
    86 Draymond Green: 11.8 PER, 48 TS%, 14 USG%, 25 DRB%, 30 AST%, 2.7 STL%, 2.5 BLK% (much better in 2018)
    85 LaMarcus Aldridge: 19.4 PER, 53 TS%, 26 USG%, 22 DRB%, 3.0 BLK%
    85 Julius Randle: 22.8 PER, 62 TS%, 27 USG%, 26 DRB%
    84 Pascal Siakam: 19.2 PER, 67 TS%, 18 USG%, 17 DRB%
    84 Kyle Kuzma: 16.1 PER, 57 TS%, 23 USG%, 15 DRB%, 10 AST%, 1.5 BLK%
    Kuzma is the #9 rated PF. This immediately jumped out to me as a dumpster fire rating. He doesn't do anything beyond score. I have him at 79 OVR in my roster and I was like there's no way he can be this high without some serious dishonesty.
    Rashidi
    Kyle Kuzma attributes
    Notable because Kuzma's rebound rates have gone DOWN, not up since last season. They are inflating him.
    2018: 3.9 ORB%, 17.4 DRB%
    2019: 2.7 ORB%, 15.3 DRB%
    By 2K's own scale this translates to approximately
    2018: 45 ORB, 69 DRB
    2019: 38 ORB, 64 DRB
    NBA2K: 54 ORB, 74 DRB
    Kuzma averages 3.2 FTA per 36 minutes. On 16.5 FGA36. Do the math there.
    Kuzma averages a paltry 2.5 AST per 36 minutes on a modest 1.3 ATR.
    The main OVR inflaters.
    I don't know what would even possess them to give him an 84. He's a one-way player.
    88 Kristaps Porzingis (2018): 20.4 PER, 54 TS%, 31 USG%, 20 DRB%, 6.4 BLK% (lead league)
    87 Blake Griffin: 21.5 PER, 58 TS%, 30 USG%, 24 DRB%, 25 AST%
    87 Kevin Love (2018): 22.4 PER, 61 TS%, 25 USG%, 30 DRB%
    86 Tobias Harris: 18.3 PER, 60 TS%, 24 USG%, 22 DRB%
    86 Draymond Green: 11.8 PER, 48 TS%, 14 USG%, 25 DRB%, 30 AST%, 2.7 STL%, 2.5 BLK% (much better in 2018)
    85 LaMarcus Aldridge: 19.4 PER, 53 TS%, 26 USG%, 22 DRB%, 3.0 BLK%
    85 Julius Randle: 22.8 PER, 62 TS%, 27 USG%, 26 DRB%
    84 Pascal Siakam: 19.2 PER, 67 TS%, 18 USG%, 17 DRB%
    84 Kyle Kuzma: 16.1 PER, 57 TS%, 23 USG%, 15 DRB%, 10 AST%, 1.5 BLK%
    Kuzma is the #9 rated PF. This immediately jumped out to me as a dumpster fire rating. He doesn't do anything beyond score. I have him at 79 OVR in my roster and I was like there's no way he can be this high without some serious dishonesty.

    Agreed, I don't agree with you on certain players but i fully agree here. That's too high, I also think Covington at 80 is still too low, I think you have him somewhere around 82-83? That I also agree with
    Kuzma (84 OVR): 16.1 PER, 57 TS%, 23 USG%, 3/15 REB% (16/6/2 in 32 mpg)
    Mirotic (81 OVR): 18.2 PER, 59 TS%, 22 USG%, 6/26 REB% (17/9/1 in 30 mpg)
    It's pretty embarrassing. If you want to make Kuzma rate high then reduce the weight of rebounding in the PF formula, it's only 5-8 years overdue.
    I'm just curious, do we define the attribute ratings based on the player's ability or the players' frequency of occurrence? I mean, I saw Derrick White blocked Wilson Chandler's turnaround jumper straight in his face and then swapped away Ben Simmons from behind under the basket. White also made some good cuts and dunked twice in the Jazz game (well, against Gobert and Favors, he better dunk it then lay it in). I should see some boost in his vertical, dunk ability and shot blocking rating category. Shot blocking and dunk tendency should probably go up too.
    This year the lakers play a lot of switch defense and I find Kuz guarding the perimeter players very frequently. He's not quick enough for the guards though but he does a lot of shot contest. I'm not surprised that his rebounding stats dip as he's outside the paint when being switched. But does that mean his rebounding attribute rating should go down? He'll prob gets more rebounds if the lakers play catch hedge defense to force more mid range pull up jumper instead of switch defense.
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    JoFri
    I'm just curious, do we define the attribute ratings based on the player's ability or the players' frequency of occurrence?

    Frequency. Performance is about consistency.
    Klay Thompson hit an NBA record 14 threes in a game this year.
    He's shooting 32.4% (70-216) in the other 30 games he played this year.
    I'm not surprised that Kuzma's rebounding stats dip as he's outside the paint when being switched. But does that mean his rebounding attribute rating should go down? He'll prob gets more rebounds if the lakers play catch hedge defense to force more mid range pull up jumper instead of switch defense.

    This is not a situation that is unique to Kuzma; every PF has to deal with this. There is a lot of switching in the NBA.
    Average Rebound rate by position
    PG: 2.6 ORB%, 12.0 DRB%
    SG: 2.4 ORB%, 11.2 DRB%
    SF: 3.0 ORB%, 15.0 DRB%
    PF: 5.8 ORB%, 19.6 DRB%

    C: 9.8 ORB%, 24.0 DRB%
    Kuzma rebounds like a SF (an average one, at that) and is well below average for a PF.
    STARTING POWER FORWARDS (5.8 ORB% / 19.8 DRB% = rough average)
    Antetokounmpo: 8.6 ORB%, 30.0 DRB%
    Love (2018): 7.0 ORB%, 29.4 DRB%
    Mirotic: 5.7 ORB%, 26.1 DRB%
    D.Green: 3.1 ORB%, 24.6 DRG%
    Griffin: 4.0 ORB%, 23.9 DRB%
    J.Collins: 10.9 ORB%, 23.5 DRB%
    Aminu: 5.0 ORB%, 23.0 DRB%
    T.Harris: 2.2 ORB%, 22.2 DRB%
    Markkanen: 6.2 ORB%, 21.5 DRB%
    M.Morris: 3.0 ORB%, 21.5 DRB%
    Hollis-Jefferson: 6.2 ORB%, 20.6 DRB%
    Favors: 14.2 ORB%, 19.9 DRB%
    Millsap: 8.4 ORB%, 19.7 DRB%
    Bjelica: 5.7 ORB%, 19.4 DRB%
    M.Williams: 3.3 ORB%, 19.1 DRB%
    A.Gordon: 5.8 ORB%, 18.5 DRB%
    Porzingis (2018): 4.4 ORB%, 18.1 DRB%
    Cunninghan: 5.8 ORB%, 17.0 ODRB%
    Gibson: 12.3 ORB%, 16.9 DRB%
    Siakam: 4.9 ORB%, 16.7 DRB%
    J.Jackson: 5.1 ORB%, 16.2 DRB%
    Tucker: 4.4 ORB%, 15.9 DRB%
    J.Green: 5.3 ORB%, 15.6 DRB%
    Kuzma: 2.7 ORB%, 15.3 DRB%
    W.Chandler: 6.1 ORB%, 13.8 DRB%
    T.Young: 8.2 ORB%, 13.7 DRB%
    J.Grant: 3.1 ORB%, 13.3 DRB%
    J.Johnson: 2.6 ORB%, 13.1 DRB%
    Warren: 2.7 ORB%, 12.7 DRB%
    H.Barnes: 2.8 ORB%, 12.0 DRB%
    Out of 30 starters, Kuzma ranks 28th in ORB rate and 24th in DRB rate. There are a lot of hoops one needs to jump through to argue he is "average" among his peers in this area.
    Siakam still has 42 ball handling and an abysmal speed with ball. There really isn't an excuse anymore because there are tons of individual people in the community that are putting together rosters that are accurate to the real life counterparts of players and they aren't getting paid by 2k. Also see players overrated in areas just to inflate their ratings as Rashidi pointed out
    I don't understand why 2K cannot create an accurate roster from official stats like Rasheed do...
    For my curiosity, I'm wondering how the roster are in NBA Live. Anyone knows about?
    Rashidi
    Kyle Kuzma attributes
    Notable because Kuzma's rebound rates have gone DOWN, not up since last season. They are inflating him.
    2018: 3.9 ORB%, 17.4 DRB%
    2019: 2.7 ORB%, 15.3 DRB%
    By 2K's own scale this translates to approximately
    2018: 45 ORB, 69 DRB
    2019: 38 ORB, 64 DRB
    NBA2K: 54 ORB, 74 DRB
    Kuzma averages 3.2 FTA per 36 minutes. On 16.5 FGA36. Do the math there.
    Kuzma averages a paltry 2.5 AST per 36 minutes on a modest 1.3 ATR.
    The main OVR inflaters.
    I don't know what would even possess them to give him an 84. He's a one-way player.
    88 Kristaps Porzingis (2018): 20.4 PER, 54 TS%, 31 USG%, 20 DRB%, 6.4 BLK% (lead league)
    87 Blake Griffin: 21.5 PER, 58 TS%, 30 USG%, 24 DRB%, 25 AST%
    87 Kevin Love (2018): 22.4 PER, 61 TS%, 25 USG%, 30 DRB%
    86 Tobias Harris: 18.3 PER, 60 TS%, 24 USG%, 22 DRB%
    86 Draymond Green: 11.8 PER, 48 TS%, 14 USG%, 25 DRB%, 30 AST%, 2.7 STL%, 2.5 BLK% (much better in 2018)
    85 LaMarcus Aldridge: 19.4 PER, 53 TS%, 26 USG%, 22 DRB%, 3.0 BLK%
    85 Julius Randle: 22.8 PER, 62 TS%, 27 USG%, 26 DRB%
    84 Pascal Siakam: 19.2 PER, 67 TS%, 18 USG%, 17 DRB%
    84 Kyle Kuzma: 16.1 PER, 57 TS%, 23 USG%, 15 DRB%, 10 AST%, 1.5 BLK%
    Kuzma is the #9 rated PF. This immediately jumped out to me as a dumpster fire rating. He doesn't do anything beyond score. I have him at 79 OVR in my roster and I was like there's no way he can be this high without some serious dishonesty.

    If it was up to me, you would be the person I would hire to do rosters for 2K, in a heartbeat.
    goma76  The rosters in Live are laughably bad unfortunately.  They rarely do any updates to rotations, tendencies or ratings.  I mean it's a piss poor effort on their end if I'm being honest.
    Hey Rashidi, what search tags should I use to find your roster?  I'm impressed.
    DBMcGee3
    goma76* The rosters in Live are laughably bad unfortunately.* They rarely do any updates to rotations, tendencies or ratings.* I mean it's a piss poor effort on their end if I'm being honest.
    Hey Rashidi, what search tags should I use to find your roster?* I'm impressed.

    I thought their rosters (rating wise) was an automated process? I thought they used some 3rd party data services that "feeds" into their system which then "translates" the data into new player ratings. I doubt that it's perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I would almost prefer that over an individual or team doing the roster changes whenever.
    I don't think that's the case, I'm quite sure they've posted ratings changes on a few of their patch/update notes and it's always a very small number of changes.  Regardless, whatever they're doing isn't working.  Just using the Bulls as an example, Cameron Payne is still in the starting lineup and Portis never left the starting 5 during the 2 months he was injured.
    Rashidi
    Kyle Kuzma attributes
    Notable because Kuzma's rebound rates have gone DOWN, not up since last season. They are inflating him.
    2018: 3.9 ORB%, 17.4 DRB%
    2019: 2.7 ORB%, 15.3 DRB%
    By 2K's own scale this translates to approximately
    2018: 45 ORB, 69 DRB
    2019: 38 ORB, 64 DRB
    NBA2K: 54 ORB, 74 DRB
    Kuzma averages 3.2 FTA per 36 minutes. On 16.5 FGA36. Do the math there.
    Kuzma averages a paltry 2.5 AST per 36 minutes on a modest 1.3 ATR.
    The main OVR inflaters.
    I don't know what would even possess them to give him an 84. He's a one-way player.
    88 Kristaps Porzingis (2018): 20.4 PER, 54 TS%, 31 USG%, 20 DRB%, 6.4 BLK% (lead league)
    87 Blake Griffin: 21.5 PER, 58 TS%, 30 USG%, 24 DRB%, 25 AST%
    87 Kevin Love (2018): 22.4 PER, 61 TS%, 25 USG%, 30 DRB%
    86 Tobias Harris: 18.3 PER, 60 TS%, 24 USG%, 22 DRB%
    86 Draymond Green: 11.8 PER, 48 TS%, 14 USG%, 25 DRB%, 30 AST%, 2.7 STL%, 2.5 BLK% (much better in 2018)
    85 LaMarcus Aldridge: 19.4 PER, 53 TS%, 26 USG%, 22 DRB%, 3.0 BLK%
    85 Julius Randle: 22.8 PER, 62 TS%, 27 USG%, 26 DRB%
    84 Pascal Siakam: 19.2 PER, 67 TS%, 18 USG%, 17 DRB%
    84 Kyle Kuzma: 16.1 PER, 57 TS%, 23 USG%, 15 DRB%, 10 AST%, 1.5 BLK%
    Kuzma is the #9 rated PF. This immediately jumped out to me as a dumpster fire rating. He doesn't do anything beyond score. I have him at 79 OVR in my roster and I was like there's no way he can be this high without some serious dishonesty.
    Gotta disagree with the one way player assessment..his defense is vastly improved from last year and getting better. Since Ingram got injured..in the last month kuzma been averaging over 20 pts a game.the rating increase is most likely due to his production increase. If 2k would adjust ratings weekly or monthly it would make more sense..but he has been hot as of late.
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    DBMcGee3

    Hey Rashidi, what search tags should I use to find your roster?* I'm impressed.

    PS4: Search user Real2KInsider
    Filename: The Real NBA 2K19
    ksuttonjr76
    I thought their rosters (rating wise) was an automated process? I thought they used some 3rd party data services that "feeds" into their system which then "translates" the data into new player ratings. I doubt that it's perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I would almost prefer that over an individual or team doing the roster changes whenever.

    That's all marketing speak by EA and I'm sure it's just copy/paste data into Excel whenever they feel like it.
    At the end of the day you need someone who is going to curate that data because or else sample size will decimate it. Especially with mid-range shooting going the way of the dinosaur.
    Kyle Kuzma for example is 2-13 (15%) from mid-range after shooting 29-76 (38%) last season.
    VinnyVegas28
    Gotta disagree with the one way player assessment..his defense is vastly improved from last year and getting better.

    Kuzma Real-Plus Minus and PF Ranks
    2018: -1.53 RPM (58th), 0.01 ORPM (29th), -1.54 DRPM (80th of 88 PFs)
    2019: 0.36 RPM (36th), 0.50 ORPM (16th), -0.72 DRPM (86th of 93 PFs)
    He is technically better defensively, but so is the rest of the NBA (and he still isn't "good".
    Just less bad).
    Since Ingram got injured..in the last month kuzma been averaging over 20 pts a game.

    What you're saying is that as soon as Ingram returns, his production will drop. Getting more touches (due to players being out of the lineup) isn't quite the same thing as improving. More points =/= better player.
    the rating increase is most likely due to his production increase. If 2k would adjust ratings weekly or monthly it would make more sense..but he has been hot as of late.

    The rating increase should reflect his actual production, though.
    Kuzma's first 20 games: 16.7 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 1.5 APG (48/29/75), 31 MPG
    Kuzma's last 10 games: 20.9 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 3.4 APG (50-34-82), 34 MPG
    Clearly this is a player that SHOULD see their rating go up (the question is to what DEGREE).
    The last 10 games don't cancel out the first 20. Players are their cold streaks as much as they are their hot streaks. Te rating looks like it wants to pretend the first 25% of the season (and two-thirds of his actual production) didn't happen. If Kuzma maintains this level over a long period of time, then THAT is what will cancel out those first six weeks. How bad does that rating look if his production reverts to status quo starting tomorrow?
    This is where one can argue "forget the numbers, I know what my eyes tell me" as an approach to ratings. Vegas (math) might lose every now and then, but the house is always the safer bet.
    DBMcGee3
    I don't think that's the case, I'm quite sure they've posted ratings changes on a few of their patch/update notes and it's always a very small number of changes.* Regardless, whatever they're doing isn't working.* Just using the Bulls as an example, Cameron Payne is still in the starting lineup and Portis never left the starting 5 during the 2 months he was injured.

    One of the reasons why I sometimes play the other game every once in a blue moon. No injuries, lol.
    VinnyVegas28
    Gotta disagree with the one way player assessment..his defense is vastly improved from last year and getting better. Since Ingram got injured..in the last month kuzma been averaging over 20 pts a game.the rating increase is most likely due to his production increase. If 2k would adjust ratings weekly or monthly it would make more sense..but he has been hot as of late.
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    I'm a Kuzma fan but he is terrible at defense, he is only a scorer but his defense has gotten better.
    I've watched a lot of Lakers games and before they got Chandler when Kuz was playing the 5 they were terrible.
    Defensive statistically and watching.
    Rashidi
    Collins has 88 Stamina which should suffice.

    What are these players stamina ratings?
    Joe Harris
    Spencer Dinwiddle
    Jarrett Allen
    I put the request to change their stamina. Didn't get a chance to see if it was changed or not.
    ksuttonjr76
    Okay...dumb question. Wasn't Beds considered to be one of the better roster makers on this site before he was hired by 2KSports?
    my opinion about that is that it is Not his decision how to make the rosters. He gets told from someone in a higher Position what they want and He is the poor guy that has to do it.
    jk31
    my opinion about that is that it is Not his decision how to make the rosters. He gets told from someone in a higher Position what they want and He is the plot guy that has to do it.

    That wouldn't make sense considering that the MyPlayer mode is the bread and butter. Of course, that could be interpreted to mean that roster updates could be low on the totem pole. Roster updates really only affect people who play PNO or not willing to download/edit their own roster.
    Historically, when I play offline, I have ALWAYS used rosters created by OS members, because they tend to edit the tendencies too.
    ksuttonjr76
    Okay...dumb question. Wasn't Beds considered to be one of the better roster makers on this site before he was hired by 2KSports?

    He still is. But Beds brought something else to the table that no brings up. Beds wasn't only a ratings guy. He knew 2k's whole database setup. Didn't he build a whole tool to make rating changes from your computer? So it would take half the time to create a roster.
    He was outside looking in. And I know if anyone were to switch from making rosters outside of 2k. To jumping in. Would learn very quickly it's not that easy. I'll leave it at that.
    ksuttonjr76
    Why is VO's steal rating so low?????

    What's his pass perception rating? I've notice they will put that rating higher for passing lane steal type of guys. Because I was looking at Lonzo ratings the other day. I think he has a 63 steal rating. But a high 80's rating for pass perception.
    GudStuffzz
    Player tendencies should be on the top of the priority list when updating rosters. Come on now 2k.

    I don't get what's going on either there. I do wonder if it's just another person (like the bagdes) or it's just something else that can't be talked about.
    jeebs9
    I don't get what's going on either there. I do wonder if it's just another person (like the bagdes) or it's just something else that can't be talked about.

    I'm just going to say the Player Tendencies are definitely not Stauffer (or his team's) responsibility and leave it at that. As with the badges, these are handled by someone else.
    I get on 2K for their ratings because it's something I enjoy doing and can do it in my sleep. Right now there is very minimal effort going into daily maintenance of the roster (from an attribute standpoint).
    That doesn't mean they are being "lazy" per say. For example if they were developing a new attribute, that isn't something that can be done overnight. If another department needs help with something ratings-related, those hours need to come from somewhere. And I'm sure a certain amount of time per week gets dedicated to MyTeam.
    I will say that from a franchise direction standpoint: fans are EXCITED (or at least, SHOULD be) about roster updates. 2K's goal is to get fans to play the game throughout the year. Right now the main roster isn't accomplishing that goal. This isn't just about the vocal minority (i.e. OS) that make up 0.01% of the playerbase. You see it all around on social media, Twitter, etc. The community isn't anywhere near as engaged as they should be.
    I don't personally know Mike, or how he feels. From the outside looking in, it appears as though he's a bit burnt out. He's significantly less interactive with fans than when he first took the job. As a content creator, I've certainly been there. For me, the work is the easy part, it's the engagement and promotion that can be the most draining.
    It's one thing though when you're promoting your personal work, versus promoting one of the top-selling games in the world. If you slack for a minute there's no shortage of idiots on the internet who want to hold a candle to your ***. It comes with the territory though, and that won't ever change. It's all about customer service at the end of the day. Fans expect a lot from their video games, and there are competitors who DO go the length of the field.
    2K can get away with some degree of complacency (because look at the genre alternative), but I've always said it's not NBA Live they're competing with: it's games like Call of Duty and Fortnite.
    Rashidi
    I'm just going to say the Player Tendencies are definitely not Stauffer (or his team's) responsibility and leave it at that. As with the badges, these are handled by someone else.
    I get on 2K for their ratings because it's something I enjoy doing and can do it in my sleep. Right now there is very minimal effort going into daily maintenance of the roster (from an attribute standpoint).
    That doesn't mean they are being "lazy" per say. For example if they were developing a new attribute, that isn't something that can be done overnight. If another department needs help with something ratings-related, those hours need to come from somewhere. And I'm sure a certain amount of time per week gets dedicated to MyTeam.
    I will say that from a franchise direction standpoint: fans are EXCITED (or at least, SHOULD be) about roster updates. 2K's goal is to get fans to play the game throughout the year. Right now the main roster isn't accomplishing that goal. This isn't just about the vocal minority (i.e. OS) that make up 0.01% of the playerbase. You see it all around on social media, Twitter, etc. The community isn't anywhere near as engaged as they should be.
    I don't personally know Mike, or how he feels. From the outside looking in, it appears as though he's a bit burnt out. He's significantly less interactive with fans than when he first took the job. As a content creator, I've certainly been there. For me, the work is the easy part, it's the engagement and promotion that can be the most draining.
    It's one thing though when you're promoting your personal work, versus promoting one of the top-selling games in the world. If you slack for a minute there's no shortage of idiots on the internet who want to hold a candle to your ***. It comes with the territory though, and that won't ever change. It's all about customer service at the end of the day. Fans expect a lot from their video games, and there are competitors who DO go the length of the field.
    2K can get away with some degree of complacency (because look at the genre alternative), but I've always said it's not NBA Live they're competing with: it's games like Call of Duty and Fortnite.

    Very well said.
    jeebs9
    He still is. But Beds brought something else to the table that no brings up. Beds wasn't only a ratings guy. He knew 2k's whole database setup. Didn't he build a whole tool to make rating changes from your computer? So it would take half the time to create a roster.
    He was outside looking in. And I know if anyone were to switch from making rosters outside of 2k. To jumping in. Would learn very quickly it's not that easy. I'll leave it at that.
    What's his pass perception rating? I've notice they will put that rating higher for passing lane steal type of guys. Because I was looking at Lonzo ratings the other day. I think he has a 63 steal rating. But a high 80's rating for pass perception.
    I don't get what's going on either there. I do wonder if it's just another person (like the bagdes) or it's just something else that can't be talked about.

    Just learned something new today. Thanks.
    I'll check out his pass perception tonight. I guess if I thought about it, majority of his steals are from the passing lane. He's really not an on-ball defender.
    Rashidi
    I'm just going to say the Player Tendencies are definitely not Stauffer (or his team's) responsibility and leave it at that. As with the badges, these are handled by someone else.
    I get on 2K for their ratings because it's something I enjoy doing and can do it in my sleep. Right now there is very minimal effort going into daily maintenance of the roster (from an attribute standpoint).
    That doesn't mean they are being "lazy" per say. For example if they were developing a new attribute, that isn't something that can be done overnight. If another department needs help with something ratings-related, those hours need to come from somewhere. And I'm sure a certain amount of time per week gets dedicated to MyTeam.
    I will say that from a franchise direction standpoint: fans are EXCITED (or at least, SHOULD be) about roster updates. 2K's goal is to get fans to play the game throughout the year. Right now the main roster isn't accomplishing that goal. This isn't just about the vocal minority (i.e. OS) that make up 0.01% of the playerbase. You see it all around on social media, Twitter, etc. The community isn't anywhere near as engaged as they should be.
    I don't personally know Mike, or how he feels. From the outside looking in, it appears as though he's a bit burnt out. He's significantly less interactive with fans than when he first took the job. As a content creator, I've certainly been there. For me, the work is the easy part, it's the engagement and promotion that can be the most draining.
    It's one thing though when you're promoting your personal work, versus promoting one of the top-selling games in the world. If you slack for a minute there's no shortage of idiots on the internet who want to hold a candle to your ***. It comes with the territory though, and that won't ever change. It's all about customer service at the end of the day. Fans expect a lot from their video games, and there are competitors who DO go the length of the field.
    2K can get away with some degree of complacency (because look at the genre alternative), but I've always said it's not NBA Live they're competing with: it's games like Call of Duty and Fortnite.
    Couldn't have said it any better
    ksuttonjr76
    Very well said.
    Exactly!
    ksuttonjr76
    Just learned something new today. Thanks.
    I'll check out his pass perception tonight. I guess if I thought about it, majority of his steals are from the passing lane. He's really not an on-ball defender.
    Just checked for you. It's 95. And he has pick pocket, defensive stopper, chase down, and pick dodger.
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    jeebs9
    Just checked for you. It's 95. And he has pick pocket, defensive stopper, chase down, and pick dodger.
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    I guess I'll be acting a fool in the passing lanes going forward, lol. Thanks.
    ksuttonjr76
    I guess I'll be acting a fool in the passing lanes going forward, lol. Thanks.
    Lol
    Also those we're all gold badges.
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