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Everyone else falls in line to where they should be....
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Solid list
Everyone else falls in line to where they should be....
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Just..... wow.
Younger players like Booker, Wiggins, and Porzingis get overrated because there is more hype/excitement for them
Yea 84-85 is the max for them two from me personally . Melo I think is rated properly maybe 85 but he shouldn't go any higher than that.
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They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but it is ludricous to say that an (soon to be 33 years old) aging LeBron is better than Durant & Leonard. It really is splitting hairs to say that one is better than the other at this point.
Playmaking is the only area that LeBron is tangibly superior to Durant and especially Leonard, but Leonard continues to improve in that area (he's gonna make a huge jump this incoming season, IMO) while Durant is above average to good.
While Leonard and Durant are consistently better defenders.
This isn't 2013 Miami Heat LeBron James, anymore, Durant and Leonard have caught him.
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Playmaking is the only area that LeBron is tangibly superior to Durant and especially Leonard, but Leonard continues to improve in that area (he's gonna make a huge jump this incoming season, IMO) while Durant is above average to good.
While Leonard and Durant are consistently better defenders.
This isn't 2013 Miami Heat LeBron James, anymore, Durant and Leonard have caught him.
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Totally agree.... I guess I don't see a problem at the end of the day with this list. I'd like to see some ratings. That would make me feel better.
23/2/4 + 31-51 + The Worst Defensive Player In The NBA =/= 86.
Absolutely awful rating.
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23/2/4 + 31-51 + The Worst Defensive Player In The NBA =/= 86.
Absolutely awful rating.
Some Defensive Ratings are based on reputation.
Remember Paul Milsap had low 70s ratings for key defensive stats 2K15 or 16 until the week after he finished in the top 5 in DPOY. Since then he's had good defensive ratings.
Remember Paul Milsap had low 70s ratings for key defensive stats 2K15 or 16 until the week after he finished in the top 5 in DPOY. Since then he's had good defensive ratings.
I just expect alot more from them, to be more than just casual knowledge. Overrating both KAT and Wiggins based on that is about to give the
Wolves a 91-90-86 OVR core, which will probably be top 4-5 in the league? And better than the 1 seed Celtics Kyrie/Hayward/Horford core of 90-88-83*? The Wolves are just so overrated here.
23/2/4 + 31-51 + The Worst Defensive Player In The NBA =/= 86.
Absolutely awful rating.
I'm sure his athleticism ratings are very, very high, which probably leads to his overall being up little bit.
But honestly, he'd still play exactly the same if he was an 83 or 84 so it's really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
I do agree with this. I think KD and Kawhi are getting better, and LeBron on the decline, but it's not to the point that they've caught him just yet. That could change next season, but as of now I don't see it.
I think it also depends how you choose to rate them. During the regular season LeBron is obviously not the same player he is in the playoffs. In the playoff's KD narrowly tops LeBron at 3pt%, but LeBron tops him at points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, FG%.. I do think there is a gap between those two.
Even just looking at the finals, KD scored more points but it was against one of the worst rated defenses in the league. And he only outscored him by one point at that. LeBron averaged a triple double and 34ppg against the best defense in the league. Hell over the past 3 season playing against what is historically the best team ever over any 3 year span he's averaging 33, 12, 9. First player to lead both teams in points rebounds assists, the next year the first player to lead both teams in points rebounds assists steals and blocks, the next year the first player to average a triple double in the finals. Also worth noting that over these past 3 finals he holds an average game score of 26.7, that's higher than Jordan's career finals game score.. and just to repeat that's against the best team (judging by a 3 year span) of all time.
I think what makes LeBron different is how he can shift his focus to what he needs to do. He can focus on scoring and drop 40 like KD, he can focus on defense and guard the best player like Kawhi, he can focus on rebounding and pull down 15 boards, he can focus on getting others looks and pick apart your defense and log 13 assists. He can go do nearly everything on the court at the rate of anyone in the league if he wants to make that his focus for that game. All while staying efficient.
Dude just has another gear, declining or not. He's not quite the player he was in Miami, but we still need to see how this year goes to know if he's regressed enough for either of those two to surpass or meet him.
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No, they wouldn't. Durant & Leonard are younger, have less mileage on their legs and are just as good as LeBron. Only a moron, an extremely biased person (*ahem*) or person afraid to "hurt LeBron's feelings" would pick his nearly 33 - year old self.
I'm pretty sure the two other best players in the league can "shift their focus" and win games in different ways. Durant has become an incredible off - ball/help defender while Kawhi continues to improve annually as a decision maker with the ball in his hands.
You can attempt to look at just the playoffs (where Durant & Leonard were just a dominant) or Finals, but through the course of the entire season Leonard and Durant were his equal. I'd take either before LeBron at this point, but that isn't meant as a knock on LBJ.
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Seriously the best most accurate LeBron player model ever in a video game.
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For this year, not long term. Kawhi is not on LeBron's level yet, but he could get there. That game against Memphis, wow. Clutch shot after clutch shot. And he was dominating the Warriors.
KD reclaimed his spot as LeBron's rival after the injuries and shortcomings the past few years. But I think most people are still picking LeBron first.
KD reclaimed his spot as LeBron's rival after the injuries and shortcomings the past few years. But I think most people are still picking LeBron first.
Yes, for this year I would take 26 - year old Leonard or 28 - year old (I believe) Durant over soon to be 33 year old LeBron. Kawhi is definitely on Durant and LeBron's level.
He's dragged an aging team to 67 and 61 wins, won back - to - back DPOY awards, top 3 in MVP voting two years in a row and somehow "still ain't on LeBron's level?" Okay, sure.....
Next you'll say he's just a "system player" or that Paul George and Jimmy Butler are as good as him.
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Holds true then the Indivudual ratings mean muchhh more than the overall ratings.
Side note this is most definitely the best bron has looked. Wow. They may have been holding back other years for these type of improvements.
When the 91 rating came out, I thought that was fair. But after seeing all of the other ratings in the game so far, I'd say they have him too low.
Would be nice if we could get confirmation on this being the case. Because the LeBron player model is larger than those early screens that were released. His bodytype looks to be nearly perfect in terms of his actual build and his facial likeness is almost photo realistic and makes the 2k17 LeBron, which didn't look bad, look foolish in comparison.
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I hope them posting that picture is confirmation enough that THAT is the final build for this year... and if it is (as I said for he seemingly improved 2k18 Westbrook), then I'm over the freaking moon
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He is one of the most athletic wings in the league but makes no impact on the defensive end, doesn't rebound, doesn't create well and a slightly above average 3pt shooter and below average mid range shooter. Doesn't protect the rim like you would expect from his insane leaping ability.
I get it he is 21 but for a small forward defense is very important or should be. The only positive from an offensive standpoint is he is a good at the rim and good spot up three point shooter.
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Right. Agreed. My only concern is hopefully that they put this level of quality and detail into the 2007 Cavaliers LeBron player model. Because the 2007 Cavaliers LeBron player model in 2k17 was a huge step back from even the 2k16 2007 Cavaliers LeBron. You can't have this 2k18 current LeBron player model and then do nothing to improve the 2007 Cavaliers LeBron player model.
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What would you rate him then?
If you actually think he's "grossly" over-rated, then I'm assuming you want him in the high 70s?
Which, if that's what you mean, you're basically saying he's not much better than CJ Miles or Brandon Ingram, which is highly incorrect.
If you actually think he's "grossly" over-rated, then I'm assuming you want him in the high 70s?
Which, if that's what you mean, you're basically saying he's not much better than CJ Miles or Brandon Ingram, which is highly incorrect.
Don't let your bias show through. He is an inefficient non-factor on defense non playmaker. He basically had the same stats for 2016 as he did for 2017 check his per 36 min stats. He improved his 3pt% and that was it. Mid range shooting poor. I would expect 81 to 82. He is an uber athlete but none of it plays out in game. How can he be one the worst defensive players in the league and still be that high is mind boggling. I will love to see his individual ratings
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Now, like Mark said, let me get a good look at the new Wiggins please? Lol.
Now, like Mark said, let me get a good look at the new Wiggins please? Lol.
If this is the final LeBron build, then I can finally get over Live 18 having a better-looking LeBron...
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