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More Changes at the Top, As Senior Producer For Madden NFL 19 Relieved of Duties

Carlos Guerrero has been relieved of his duties, as Senior Producer of Madden NFL 19, just 2 months into his new role. According to Game Informer, Carlos was let go, due to behavior that is against EA policies, including their Global Code of Conduct & Respectful Workplace policy.

As everyone knows already, Rex Dickson parted ways with EA about 2 and 1/2 months ago, after he and the leaders on the team, collectively agreed this was the best path moving forward, for everyone involved.

Roy Harvey has been assigned the executive producer role, until the position is filled.

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  1. I never heard anything about the guy but his last interview didn't make me feel all that great about the input he was going to bring to the game going forward. So, I can't say he'll be missed and i don't know if he actually brought anything to the game for madden 19 anyway.
    This entire Madden offseason has been strange, hope all this isn't writing on the wall for the success of Madden 19 and future installments.
    Sphinx
    I never heard anything about the guy but his last interview didn't make me feel all that great about the input he was going to bring to the game going forward. So, I can't say he'll be missed and i don't know if he actually brought anything to the game for madden 19 anyway.

    As far as 19, im sure the core features were already in with Rex. So not sure what affects if any he had or made on 19.
    Godgers12
    Probably sexual harassment. That's been the flavor of the month lately.
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    They're referencing code of conduct type of policies....so yeah, it could very well be something of this ilk.
    Assuming the reason cited by EA isn't a 'smokescreen', this isn't a "we hired the wrong guy" type of thing....
    JoshC1977
    They're referencing code of conduct type of policies....so yeah, it could very well be something of this ilk.
    Assuming the reason cited by EA isn't a 'smokescreen', this isn't a "we hired the wrong guy" type of thing....

    I seriously doubt EA would risk a lawsuit by trying to claim misconduct if there was none. People in positions like his typically have contracts, so whatever the cause was EA's own counsel undoubtedly believes the firing would stand up to legal scrutiny.
    Chiefsfan881129
    Yeah your on to something it wouldn't surprise...that flavor getting old lately & it wouldn't surprise..me still it's a bonehead move by EA regardless..
    Hope they make up for it with another good hire....
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    You say it wouldn't surprise you if it were sexual harassment and yet say they made a bonehead move by letting him go?
    What?
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    Lexicon
    Peace, Carlos. Our time together was never enough.
    Signed,
    A Franchise Mode Guy

    If u do the Twitters please send this to him and report back to us kplzthnx.
    SyncereBlackout
    That’s unfortunate I hope they take a full cycle to consider candidates and redistribute the work internally in the interim
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    I really hope they can find someone else who has a significant football background. The game has taken leaps and bounds in terms of zone rules, but they've really only scratched the surface. There's a lot more to be done to get the game to where it could be, but someone who doesn't have the background may not understand the importance of such things or have the knowledge to properly over see their implementation.
    Mauer4MVP
    You say it wouldn't surprise you if it were sexual harassment and yet say they made a bonehead move by letting him go?
    What?
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    What i mean is it won't surprise me if this was the case cuz that's likely only way this happens..
    However it's a bonehead move because this guy could have been what we needed for Madden & the fact they let him go based on what his work with in great games such as overwatch among others he had a hand In.. could be a big bonehead move because it's quite possible he could have saved Madden.. I hope there next hire will be a splash hire to revive the franchise. Cuz Chris was likely gonna have it headed that way....
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    Chiefsfan881129
    What i mean is it won't surprise me if this was the case cuz that's likely only way this happens..
    However it's a bonehead move because this guy could have been what we needed for Madden & the fact they let him go based on what his work with in great games such as overwatch among others he had a hand In.. could be a big bonehead move because it's quite possible he could have saved Madden.. I hope there next hire will be a splash hire to revive the franchise. Cuz Chris was likely gonna have it headed that way....
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    Women being able to go to work without being harassed by their boss is far more important than the quality of the game's next release. Any extended debate/discussion on the matter is certain to be awful, so I'm not going to post on this subject again, but for the love of God get some perspective.
    Chiefsfan881129
    What i mean is it won't surprise me if this was the case cuz that's likely only way this happens..
    However it's a bonehead move because this guy could have been what we needed for Madden & the fact they let him go based on what his work with in great games such as overwatch among others he had a hand In.. could be a big bonehead move because it's quite possible he could have saved Madden.. I hope there next hire will be a splash hire to revive the franchise. Cuz Chris was likely gonna have it headed that way....
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    So just to be clear (since you didn't clear anything up). You're saying even if that assumption is the actual reason, you don't agree with EA letting him go?
    I really really hope that isn't what you're saying.
    Chiefsfan881129
    What i mean is it won't surprise me if this was the case cuz that's likely only way this happens..
    However it's a bonehead move because this guy could have been what we needed for Madden & the fact they let him go based on what his work with in great games such as overwatch among others he had a hand In.. could be a big bonehead move because it's quite possible he could have saved Madden.. I hope there next hire will be a splash hire to revive the franchise. Cuz Chris was likely gonna have it headed that way....
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    Are you saying the potential quality of the game outweighs sexual harassment (if indeed that's what this is) and that he should have been allowed to stay? That's an interesting hill to die on lol
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    I ripped the hire when it happend. The guy does not even watch football besides his home team and his favorite mode is play now.
    A pc dev though which had me thinking he had a big play in M19 coming to PC. As someone that just bought a $1500 pc and switched I am nervous. I bought from Amazon and I am close to returning my parts and going back to console bc I think M19 might be DoA and gone from PC next year.
    PackBucks
    I ripped the hire when it happend. The guy does not even watch football besides his home team and his favorite mode is play now.
    A pc dev though which had me thinking he had a big play in M19 coming to PC. As someone that just bought a $1500 pc and switched I am nervous. I bought from Amazon and I am close to returning my parts and going back to console bc I think M19 might be DoA and gone from PC next year.

    Nah man, I'd just chill. Remember, they aren't launching Madden on PC, they are merely including it in a larger package which is a much bigger than just the Madden franchise. Plus, I doubt he had much to do with M19....he came on very late in the cycle.
    The fact that I've purchased just two editions of Madden over the past 7 years should tell you that I certainly am not what you'd call an EA apologist. Having said that, I give them a great deal of credit for making this move, since it puts some proverbial egg on their face for making the hire. Carlos had spoken about putting a team together and then coming up with a vision for the future of Madden. I hope hardworking folks over there who are trying to make the game better, didn't lose their jobs over the short-lived tenure of Guerrero...
    I understand how some people are wondering how this will affect Madden 20. I wonder how it will affect patches, updates, tuners and the like with 19...
    he "violated company policy"
    He prob went into a meeting and was like "yall ever played this 2k5? We should make our game more like this"
    Boom....walk of shame out of ea headquarters. He mentioned that other game.
    Chiefsfan881129
    What i mean is it won't surprise me if this was the case cuz that's likely only way this happens..
    However it's a bonehead move because this guy could have been what we needed for Madden & the fact they let him go based on what his work with in great games such as overwatch among others he had a hand In.. could be a big bonehead move because it's quite possible he could have saved Madden.. I hope there next hire will be a splash hire to revive the franchise. Cuz Chris was likely gonna have it headed that way....
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    Not sure how many here are entrenched in corporate America but there’s a smorgasbord of ways this can happen that have nothing to do with women in the workplace.
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    edgevoice
    The fact that I've purchased just two editions of Madden over the past 7 years should tell you that I certainly am not what you'd call an EA apologist. Having said that, I give them a great deal of credit for making this move, since it puts some proverbial egg on their face for making the hire. Carlos had spoken about putting a team together and then coming up with a vision for the future of Madden. I hope hardworking folks over there who are trying to make the game better, didn't lose their jobs over the short-lived tenure of Guerrero...
    I understand how some people are wondering how this will affect Madden 20. I wonder how it will affect patches, updates, tuners and the like with 19...

    I couldnt disagree more with your first part of your paragraph, since we dont even know what he was capable of with the Madden series. Not sure if you seen his body of work? Its pretty impressive. I think as far as the patches & turners ( fyi there wasnt any last yr) go i think they'll be like normal. As much as I just want to wear the Franchise glasses and only see thru them, EA has other audiences to appease as well.
    PackBucks
    I ripped the hire when it happend. The guy does not even watch football besides his home team and his favorite mode is play now.
    A pc dev though which had me thinking he had a big play in M19 coming to PC. As someone that just bought a $1500 pc and switched I am nervous. I bought from Amazon and I am close to returning my parts and going back to console bc I think M19 might be DoA and gone from PC next year.

    His replacement doesn’t need to be an armchair GM/Scout. I would be perfectly satisfied with someone who knows they need football junkies in certain positions with the proper authority.
    Let’s not forget EA was pretty clear on their short and long term goals in eSports.
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    SyncereBlackout
    Not sure how many here are entrenched in corporate America but there’s a smorgasbord of ways this can happen that have nothing to do with women in the workplace.
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    While this is certainly true whatever caused this was undoubtedly pretty serious. I can't imagine EA would want to buy him out or risk getting sued otherwise.
    DaReal Milticket
    I couldnt disagree more with your first part of your paragraph, since we dont even know what he was capable of with the Madden series. Not sure if you seen his body of work? Its pretty impressive. I think as far as the patches & turners ( fyi there wasnt any last yr) go i think they'll be like normal. As much as I just want to wear the Franchise glasses and only see thru them, EA has other audiences to appease as well.

    The point I was trying to make had nothing to do with what Carlos would or would not have brought to the table concerning any mode of Madden. I was simply pointing out that it took courage on EA's part to enforce their code of conduct policy. Trust me, I worked for over 31 years for a fortune 250 company. I had to sign one of these every single year. I can tell you this, some companies will sweep some things under the rug as it pertains to those higher on the totem pole.
    Madden 18 didn't get patches or updates? Zones were a mess upon initial release, but I saw drastic improvement after it was fixed.
    edgevoice
    The point I was trying to make had nothing to do with what Carlos would or would not have brought to the table concerning any mode of Madden. I was simply pointing out that it took courage on EA's part to enforce their code of conduct policy. Trust me, I worked for over 31 years for a fortune 250 company. I had to sign one of these every single year. I can tell you this, some companies will sweep some things under the rug as it pertains to those higher on the totem pole.

    Gotcha. I would say times have changed.
    While I’m distraught over the news, I can’t help thinking that Carlos Guerrero was not the only candidate for Rex’s job. With the amount of talent and experience already in place, it seems this can be handled internally as well.
    I don’t see this affecting M19 or M20 for that matter.
    edgevoice
    The point I was trying to make had nothing to do with what Carlos would or would not have brought to the table concerning any mode of Madden. I was simply pointing out that it took courage on EA's part to enforce their code of conduct policy. Trust me, I worked for over 31 years for a fortune 250 company. I had to sign one of these every single year. I can tell you this, some companies will sweep some things under the rug as it pertains to those higher on the totem pole.
    Madden 18 didn't get patches or updates? Zones were a mess upon initial release, but I saw drastic improvement after it was fixed.

    Of course we got patches, but there wasnt any tuners last yr compared to 17. In your initial statement you mentioned tuners. Patches & tuners are different things. I said I think patches will arrive as normal in my statement.
    SyncereBlackout
    Not sure how many here are entrenched in corporate America but there’s a smorgasbord of ways this can happen that have nothing to do with women in the workplace.
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    This so much. The guy could have simply said something about the game or working for EA in the wrong venue. With the endless ways you could run afoul of the employment rules at EA, there is no point speculating about the why here.
    bad_philanthropy
    This so much. The guy could have simply said something about the game or working for EA in the wrong venue. With the endless ways you could run afoul of the employment rules at EA, there is no point speculating about the why here.

    Agreed.
    The wording might be vague to us, but I'm sure the outcome was direct and fit under the conduct policy.
    No idea who he is or what it meant for the game, as I honestly don’t follow anything that closely in the world of game development. That being said, I would think it’s better now than in the middle of production for Madden 20. That way there no wonky changes mid cycle
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    SilverBullet19
    No idea who he is or what it meant for the game, as I honestly don’t follow anything that closely in the world of game development. That being said, I would think it’s better now than in the middle of production for Madden 20. That way there no wonky changes mid cycle
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    He was basically the new "boss" of Madden. He was the successor to Rex Dickson.
    bad_philanthropy
    He was basically the new "boss" of Madden. He was the successor to Rex Dickson.

    That name also means nothing to me lol. Like I said I don’t get into gaming development etc. This is the most involved I’ve ever been before launch and that’s because #1 I was lucky and got in on beta and #2 I have had a ton of time to game/browse the forum because of a work injury (I am so. Freakin. Bored. Can’t wait to get back to work lol)
    I’m just glad any change is now and not midway through development
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    DaReal Milticket
    Of course we got patches, but there wasnt any tuners last yr compared to 17. In your initial statement you mentioned tuners. Patches & tuners are different things. I said I think patches will arrive as normal in my statement.

    Yeah, I remember 17, still playing it actually, having patches and tuners separate for awhile. The patches seemed to improve the game while the tuners forced me back to the lab to change sliders. However, if you remember, they lumped the tuners in with the very last patch.
    Gonna be interesting to see how those are handled this year. Be nice to not need any for a change...
    HealyMonster
    he "violated company policy"
    He prob went into a meeting and was like "yall ever played this 2k5? We should make our game more like this"
    Boom....walk of shame out of ea headquarters. He mentioned that other game.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    scitychamps87
    Ben would be great. As for Carlos, this is not a good look for any company, let alone one in the gaming world.
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    The company did the right thing, I don't know where the this is not a good look is coming from on the employer side.
    It's more of a reflection on a individual, not the company. If an employee signs a employment agreement or the handbook, they are bound by what's inside the terms of employment.
    You remove the problem and deal with whatever is leftover.
    I don't see a special spotlight if it happens in the gaming world, it happens in other industries, private/public, non-profit/government entities.
    And this is the first time it's been brought out in the public in the gaming world or maybe there is more that aren't as publicized.
    scitychamps87
    Ben would be great. As for Carlos, this is not a good look for any company, let alone one in the gaming world.
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    The company doesnt know how a employee will act or not act after they're hired. If anything this is a good look for EA & the gaming world.
    Curious if anyone can speak to their experience with Roy. I know he’s an ncaa football guy from at least 11-13 or so. Any idea what we are in for or what he’s been in charge of with madden prior to now?
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    SyncereBlackout
    His replacement doesn’t need to be an armchair GM/Scout. I would be perfectly satisfied with someone who knows they need football junkies in certain positions with the proper authority.
    Let’s not forget EA was pretty clear on their short and long term goals in eSports.
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    And unless I'm mistaken, eSports tends to favor PC versions for various reasons (easier to publish pro builds, can choose PS4 or XB1 controller etc). So I wouldn't be too worried about PC leaving right away.
    Carlos: Hey, guys, what if we stopped focusing our efforts only on MUT for a year and actually tried improving some of our offline features?
    “Guerrero no longer with EA.”
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    What a crazy situation. If it was going to happen though this is arguably the best time it could've happened. I can't imagine they have done too much planning for M20 at this point so if they can get things together in the next few weeks and be set with a new guy by mid August i would think that they would be on a relatively normal timeline for M20.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    What a crazy situation. If it was going to happen though this is arguably the best time it could've happened. I can't imagine they have done too much planning for M20 at this point so if they can get things together in the next few weeks and be set with a new guy by mid August i would think that they would be on a relatively normal timeline for M20.

    They tend to meet sometime in late September/early October to settle on a feature set for the next year,
    SyncereBlackout
    Curious if anyone can speak to their experience with Roy. I know he’s an ncaa football guy from at least 11-13 or so. Any idea what we are in for or what he’s been in charge of with madden prior to now?
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    Who is Roy? Link?
    solmon
    Who is Roy? Link?

    He is the interim Creative Director. If you clink on the link of the article in the OP, it will mention Roy as the interim CD.
    He probably told them the game sucks and they got mad. The company should be let go for screwing hardcore fans for the past few years with this elementary bull crap of a sim. 
    solmon
    Wow, good on EA.
    I'd like to see a promotion from within.

    I disagree. EA needs some fresh blood. New ideas. A renewed focus to franchise mode is absolutely essential. The card collecting mode has iterated to the point where wasting more resources on it is worthless. Those that care about it will still throw cash at the thing regardless. Time to dedicate to franchise mode and they could do worse than find somebody on the 2K team.
    BigOrangeVol4Life
    The best thing that could happen is the entire cast who produced NFL2K be hired by EA Sports.

    Unfortunately this isnt how it works. Remember when EA signed Mike Wang over from 2k? Apparently when Wang got there and saw all the red tape from the suits he knew he wouldnt be making the game he wanted so he left EA and went back to 2k. Granted that was for the NBA Live team but EA is EA
    There's a better chance he got canned because he WANTED to think outside the box rather than sticking to their same old game plan. That is, at least, more believable than the vice versa...
    ...it's a speculation, but just another reason not to trust in this company & the product they are putting out.
    DaReal Milticket
    I'm not really understanding the point of this thread at the moment. Actually surprised its still open.

    It's open because it's a big deal in terms of who is running Madden and where the future of the franchise will be headed. It's not rocket science bro.
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    SeaTownGamer
    It's open because it's a big deal in terms of who is running Madden and where the future of the franchise will be headed. It's not rocket science bro.
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    Your right, people taking pot shots a EA and the man himself is I suppose rocket science...really a good look.
    SeaTownGamer
    It's open because it's a big deal in terms of who is running Madden and where the future of the franchise will be headed. It's not rocket science bro.
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    Who is in charge of Madden may be a big deal , or not if you believe decisions ultimately come from the "suits"
    This thread though is more about wild speculation about the reasons for his dismissal , serious and otherwise, half of which come from people who apparently didn't read the quoted article , or didn't understand it properly
    I agree too the previous Post. This topic is nothing but speculating as to why he was let go and who will replace him. EA has their agenda and it’s a topic that will prob better suited and revisited come September/ October when someone is actually named.
    roadman
    The company did the right thing, I don't know where the this is not a good look is coming from on the employer side.
    It's more of a reflection on a individual, not the company. If an employee signs a employment agreement or the handbook, they are bound by what's inside the terms of employment.
    You remove the problem and deal with whatever is leftover.
    I don't see a special spotlight if it happens in the gaming world, it happens in other industries, private/public, non-profit/government entities.
    And this is the first time it's been brought out in the public in the gaming world or maybe there is more that aren't as publicized.
    I agree with you Roadman. I think my words got a little misinterpreted. EA handled this correctly. I'm saying if the rumors about what Carlos did are true it does not reflect well on himself as a professional in the gaming world. Especially considering in recent years there have been occasional PR outcries regarding the way women are portrayed in certain games. Obviously not a sports gaming issue, but it adds ammo to that side of the debate.
    EA got it right. Let's get a great producer in place to see Madden '20 through to being a successful iteration.
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    scitychamps87
    I agree with you Roadman. I think my words got a little misinterpreted. EA handled this correctly. I'm saying if the rumors about what Carlos did are true it does not reflect well on himself as a professional in the gaming world. Especially considering in recent years there have been occasional PR outcries regarding the way women are portrayed in certain games. Obviously not a sports gaming issue, but it adds ammo to that side of the debate.
    EA got it right. Let's get a great producer in place to see Madden '20 through to being a successful iteration.
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    Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying, I think it was the way it was worded and maybe I would have interpreted a bit differently.
    Are there rumors flying out there because based on what I've seen, it's all pure speculation and theories.
    EA has been radio silent about keeping it in-house as they should.
    All we know is that Carlos broke EA's code of conduct, which could be several different situations and nothing specific the public will know about.
    With these management changes, i truly believe Madden 19 will be a unfinished product like Rory McIlroy pga tour golf game.  I bet EA is scrambling to have this game complete by release date.
    Guerrero did not replace Dickson, Oldenberg did, and he is still in place.
    Guerrero's position was not creative, it was resource distribution and personnel management.
    adembroski
    Guerrero did not replace Dickson, Oldenberg did, and he is still in place.
    Guerrero's position was not creative, it was resource distribution and personnel management.

    It's amazing how many people don't recognize this. Some honestly don't know it, but others choose to be willfully obtuse about it in order to make a certain point.
    jfsolo
    It's amazing how many people don't recognize this. Some honestly don't know it, but others choose to be willfully obtuse about it in order to make a certain point.

    I just think people fail to educate themselves or do any research of any kind before speaking, in this case typing.
    saintrules
    There's a better chance he got canned because he WANTED to think outside the box rather than sticking to their same old game plan. That is, at least, more believable than the vice versa...
    ...it's a speculation, but just another reason not to trust in this company & the product they are putting out.

    Really man? Read that to yourself and tell me whether or not you are being reasonable.
    DaReal Milticket
    Your right, people taking pot shots a EA and the man himself is I suppose rocket science...really a good look.

    If it keeps that stuff out of other threads it's worth it, imo.
    ggsimmonds
    Really man? Read that to yourself and tell me whether or not you are being reasonable.

    That is some next level tin foil hat speculation on his part.
    DaReal Milticket
    The company doesnt know how a employee will act or not act after they're hired. If anything this is a good look for EA & the gaming world.

    It depends on what the "misconduct" was. If it is repeated rude sexual comments or physical harassment, certainly the requires firing. And probably, that is what it was.
    Nowadays, some people start calling "misconduct" if a guy compliments a girl on her appearance, points out that men and women are irreducibly different, says he does not agree with homosexual marriage, or questions that people can arbitrarily choose their own pronouns, and tech and media companies, if anything, seem more prone to such unjustifiable action. Certainly, I have no idea that anything like this was involved, but in the days of the radical pro-LGBT #MeToo witch hunts, it is hard to be certain.
    NimitsTexan
    It depends on what the "misconduct" was. If it is repeated rude sexual comments or physical harassment, certainly the requires firing. And probably, that is what it was.
    Nowadays, some people start calling "misconduct" if a guy compliments a girl on her appearance, points out that men and women are irreducibly different, says he does not agree with homosexual marriage, or questions that people can arbitrarily choose their own pronouns, and tech and media companies, if anything, seem more prone to such unjustifiable action. Certainly, I have no idea that anything like this was involved, but in the days of the radical pro-LGBT #MeToo witch hunts, it is hard to be certain.

    Take this garbage to r/theredpill. There you will find an entire community who shares your bewilderment over just what is and is not socially acceptable behavior.
    NimitsTexan
    It depends on what the "misconduct" was. If it is repeated rude sexual comments or physical harassment, certainly the requires firing. And probably, that is what it was.
    Nowadays, some people start calling "misconduct" if a guy compliments a girl on her appearance, points out that men and women are irreducibly different, says he does not agree with homosexual marriage, or questions that people can arbitrarily choose their own pronouns, and tech and media companies, if anything, seem more prone to such unjustifiable action. Certainly, I have no idea that anything like this was involved, but in the days of the radical pro-LGBT #MeToo witch hunts, it is hard to be certain.

    Each company has their own code of conduct, so EA has there policy and this guy broke it. If I did something that went against my companies code of conduct, whether I thought is was some minor thing or not, doesn't matter. So whether you or I or anyone else agree's or disagree's with it is irrelevant. It's in place to prevent lawsuits which have, in the past, cost companies millions of dollars.
    To go on about other issues that clearly bother you to some extent, really isn't needed. At this point nobody know's the actual reason Carlos was let go.
    jfsolo
    That is some next level tin foil hat speculation on his part.

    Not only that, but he acknowledges that its speculation but uses it as justification for hating on EA.
    He is literally making up reasons to hate them.
    https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/18/17586362/madden-senior-producer-fired-dismissed-carlos-guerrero
    This article says ".... When creative director Rex Dickson left EA Sports in May after five years at the company, Guerrero took over his role...". Does Polygon have it wrong? I thought Clint replace Rex?
    Also, the article states "...Roy Harvey, the general manager of EA Tiburon, will serve as Madden NFL’s executive producer until the role can be filled..."
    Is that equivalent to putting a "suit" in charge? If so, that can't be a good thing, right?
    Grey_Osprey
    https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/18/17586362/madden-senior-producer-fired-dismissed-carlos-guerrero
    This article says ".... When creative director Rex Dickson left EA Sports in May after five years at the company, Guerrero took over his role...". Does Polygon have it wrong? I thought Clint replace Rex?
    Also, the article states "...Roy Harvey, the general manager of EA Tiburon, will serve as Madden NFL’s executive producer until the role can be filled..."
    Is that equivalent to putting a "suit" in charge? If so, that can't be a good thing, right?

    Yeah, a gaming website can be incorrect and assume like other people assume.
    Roy Harvey isn't a "suit." He came over from NCAA as a Developer(I'm sure AJ can tell better than I can what Roy did with NCAA) after NCAA left the college arena.
    Grey_Osprey
    https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/18/17586362/madden-senior-producer-fired-dismissed-carlos-guerrero
    This article says ".... When creative director Rex Dickson left EA Sports in May after five years at the company, Guerrero took over his role...". Does Polygon have it wrong? I thought Clint replace Rex?
    Also, the article states "...Roy Harvey, the general manager of EA Tiburon, will serve as Madden NFL’s executive producer until the role can be filled..."
    Is that equivalent to putting a "suit" in charge? If so, that can't be a good thing, right?

    I'm surprised that Owen Good would make that mistake.
    NimitsTexan
    It depends on what the "misconduct" was. If it is repeated rude sexual comments or physical harassment, certainly the requires firing. And probably, that is what it was.
    Nowadays, some people start calling "misconduct" if a guy compliments a girl on her appearance, points out that men and women are irreducibly different, says he does not agree with homosexual marriage, or questions that people can arbitrarily choose their own pronouns, and tech and media companies, if anything, seem more prone to such unjustifiable action. Certainly, I have no idea that anything like this was involved, but in the days of the radical pro-LGBT #MeToo witch hunts, it is hard to be certain.

    This is not a good look bro. Between you and the guy who thinks sexual harassers should be spared if it helps the quality of a video game, I'm wondering if I'm on Operation Sports or 4chan.
    manEATgod
    This is not a good look bro. Between you and the guy who thinks sexual harassers should be spared if it helps the quality of a video game, I'm wondering if I'm on Operation Sports or 4chan.

    Is sexual harassment the cause of his termination or is it an assumption? Just wondering???
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    SeaTownGamer
    Is sexual harassment the cause of his termination or is it an assumption? Just wondering???
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    It's an assumption and or speculation.
    I think we should wait for more details before we crucify him.
    SeaTownGamer
    Is sexual harassment the cause of his termination or is it an assumption? Just wondering???
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    It got started as speculation, but then the neckbeards come out to assure that sexual harassment is NBD and that's what is being responded to.
    stinkubus
    It got started as speculation, but then the neckbeards come out to assure that sexual harassment is NBD and that's what is being responded to.

    Neckbeards is a term of endearment, correct? Could you elaborate?
    i can see all the social justice warriors have come out to play in this thread....
    I work in an office and have seen people get canned for "misconduct" for all kinds of reasons. It could be racial comments, email with offensive content, stealing from a company credit card, sexual harassment, drug use, going to restricted websites and getting caught. It could be something as simple as lying about reasons for not showing up to work, etc. It could be that he was a terrible boss and treated people like crap and had no people skills. They're are so many variables. No need to jump on anybody's case without knowing the full details.
    I personally didnt like the hire. The fact he came from games like overwatch just reaks of plans to get someone on board who would come up with ideas for online content that would cost everyone money to get the full experience of the game. He seemed like a guy you would hire to beef up your "online content", not a franchise minded guy.
    roadman
    Yeah, a gaming website can be incorrect and assume like other people assume.
    Roy Harvey isn't a "suit." He came over from NCAA as a Developer(I'm sure AJ can tell better than I can what Roy did with NCAA) after NCAA left the college arena.

    Yeah, I just assumed he replaced Rex Dickson because Rex left and Carlos seemed to be the new lead face, effectively replacing Rex's place on the PR tour. AJ knows better than any of us on this stuff, and probably better than Polygon.
    NimitsTexan
    It depends on what the "misconduct" was. If it is repeated rude sexual comments or physical harassment, certainly the requires firing. And probably, that is what it was.
    Nowadays, some people start calling "misconduct" if a guy compliments a girl on her appearance, points out that men and women are irreducibly different, says he does not agree with homosexual marriage, or questions that people can arbitrarily choose their own pronouns, and tech and media companies, if anything, seem more prone to such unjustifiable action. Certainly, I have no idea that anything like this was involved, but in the days of the radical pro-LGBT #MeToo witch hunts, it is hard to be certain.

    manEATgod
    This is not a good look bro. Between you and the guy who thinks sexual harassers should be spared if it helps the quality of a video game, I'm wondering if I'm on Operation Sports or 4chan.

    I'm not sure what the big deal is with what the first poster said really .
    1- He clearly said if the guy was ( which none of us know facts yet) actually sexually harassing someone he should for sure have been canned for it.
    2- In todays Ultra Over the top sensitive society where just about anything you say can be " taken the wrong way" or " offend" someone, which is what he was talking about , its not that far fetched to think something that was not really something that should be that big of a deal , was made one. I'm from the south where men used to call women honey , as a friendly comment nothing sexual about it. Now in days even something like that can be called sexual harassment , which is a bit crazy imo.I believe that is more the type thing that first poster was talking about.
    In no way does that defend actually someone being rude or crude with someone . Its just a reality of the times we live in. Heck kids think now they are being bullied if someone mentions they dont like their shirt. PC has taken over and is a bit much now in days. No one should be treated badly , at same time , people also should not be so ultra sensitive over every little thing either.
    End of the day , none of us know why he was fired, just know he was . If it broke one of EA conduct rules, then thats why he was let go . No need for people to speculate what it was exactly and torch the man either. Just time to move on and see what comes next for the game. Hopefully no one was hurt by anything that happened, and the game does not suffer either.
    Ugh. I promised myself I wasn't going to get sucked into this, but some of these comments I just can't let slide without responding.
    No one, and I really mean NO ONE, gets any sort of disciplinary action taken against them at their place of employment for a single inappropriate remark. Once the situation has reached the point of discipline/termination of employment either something egregious was done or there were multiple complaints over a period of time. It has nothing to do with overzealous "SJWs" or overly sensitive "snowflakes".
    Suggesting otherwise is indulging a ridiculous persecution fantasy which has no bearing on reality. That's why those comments are getting push-back. They are completely dishonest and bad faith remarks and I doubt anyone making them could provide even a single, confirmed real life example of someone losing their job for doing nothing more than paying a single unwanted compliment. That's all in your imagination.
    stinkubus
    Ugh. I promised myself I wasn't going to get sucked into this, but some of these comments I just can't let slide without responding.
    No one, and I really mean NO ONE, gets any sort of disciplinary action taken against them at their place of employment for a single inappropriate remark. Once the situation has reached the point of discipline/termination of employment either something egregious was done or there were multiple complaints over a period of time. It has nothing to do with overzealous "SJWs" or overly sensitive "snowflakes".
    Suggesting otherwise is indulging a ridiculous persecution fantasy which has no bearing on reality. That's why those comments are getting push-back. They are completely dishonest and bad faith remarks and I doubt anyone making them could provide even a single, confirmed real life example of someone losing their job for doing nothing more than paying a single unwanted compliment. That's all in your imagination.

    Ok, two things can be true at once. The fact that it happens numerous times or is considered egregious does not preclude it being of a politically motivated/politically correct nature. EA has proven to be a company willing to overlook overt racism if it comes from a liberal source.
    bad_philanthropy
    Yeah, I just assumed he replaced Rex Dickson because Rex left and Carlos seemed to be the new lead face, effectively replacing Rex's place on the PR tour. AJ knows better than any of us on this stuff, and probably better than Polygon.

    I don't know any better than anyone here. I just know Dickson's job title was Creative Director, and now Clint's job title is Creative Director. Carlos was never Creative Director, he was a Senior Producer. All you have to do is pay attention to the announcements we've seen on those subjects.
    roadman
    Yeah, a gaming website can be incorrect and assume like other people assume.
    Roy Harvey isn't a "suit." He came over from NCAA as a Developer(I'm sure AJ can tell better than I can what Roy did with NCAA) after NCAA left the college arena.

    Harvey's was the studio GM. He's a "suit," he was an NCAA suit. Senior Producer is a suit position so it's not really relevant.
    adembroski
    Ok, two things can be true at once. The fact that it happens numerous times or is considered egregious does not preclude it being of a politically motivated/politically correct nature. EA has proven to be a company willing to overlook overt racism if it comes from a liberal source.

    This is a tu quoque fallacy. EA's failure to take action in any other instance of wrong doing has nothing to do with Mr. Guerrero or the hypotheticals under discussion here.
    stinkubus
    This is a tu quoque fallacy. EA's failure to take action in any other instance of wrong doing has nothing to do with Mr. Guerrero or the hypotheticals under discussion here.

    Depending on where your bias leans it does.
    stinkubus
    This is a tu quoque fallacy. EA's failure to take action in any other instance of wrong doing has nothing to do with Mr. Guerrero or the hypotheticals under discussion here.

    OK, first, this is not a tu quoque fallacy. I never accused you of anything, and I'll thank you not to assume I'm uneducated in order to win an argument without having it.
    I made no argument for or against Guerrero, I only said your statement wasn't valid. You said the firing was likely due to either one egregious violation or repeated violations. I agree with this. You implied this somehow showed it could not have been politically motivated. There is no logical link between those conclusions.
    Since we're breaking out the debate lingo, this is a non sequitur, i.e. your conclusion does not logically follow your argument.
    I prefer OS stick to what it argues best...
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    DB AI
    leave the politics out if possble
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    I think it is wise to remember that nobody here knows why he has been terminated other than he broke a rule regarding his company's code of conduct. That can be one of many things, and since EA isn't talking, none of us have the faintest idea of what really happened. I'm sure it will come out in the wash, but I hope some of the mud slinging dies down a bit.
    adembroski
    OK, first, this is not a tu quoque fallacy. I never accused you of anything, and I'll thank you not to assume I'm uneducated in order to win an argument without having it.
    I made no argument for or against Guerrero, I only said your statement wasn't valid. You said the firing was likely due to either one egregious violation or repeated violations. I agree with this. You implied this somehow showed it could not have been politically motivated. There is no logical link between those conclusions.
    Since we're breaking out the debate lingo, this is a non sequitur, i.e. your conclusion does not logically follow your argument.

    Maybe I misunderstood your post. I certainly don't believe you to be uneducated. I'm not even really trying to comment on the particular's of Mr. Guerrero's case because all we know is that he was terminated with what EA believes to be cause.
    I was responding to the baseless assertion, made by multiple posters in this thread, that men get fired for paying women compliments at work. That's garbage, and it shouldn't be left unchallenged. I've said my peace, and I'll leave it alone from here on out.
    I think the issue I see happening a lot lately is we have gone from ignoring complaints to the other end where we automatically assume them to be true and actionable. The pendulum has swung too hard the other direction and people's careers are being trashed without due process.
    Again, just generalization here, not anything specific to this case. Although some of the comments mentioned here as being ridiculous when questioning the firing could be construed as not so ridiculous when considered in the context of a national, highly visible trend towards a quick rush to judgment.
    Now as for this specific case...my guess is this guy actually did something very bad and it is documented because there are not many occasions where a company will announce something in this manner without that being the case. If it's something questionable in any way shape or form they usually just ask the person to resign and/or leave quietly so as it's mutually beneficial.
    In cases like this where someone is publicly fired it is usually for just cause and because the company is looking to avoid further litigation from the victim(s) in the case by saying "well look, we fired this person" as part of their defense.
    adembroski
    I just re-checked.
    The article doesn't say Carlos replaced Rex. It mentions Rex as an aside, siting another change the team's gone through.

    I thought everyone was saying Ben haumiller was the guy in place of Rex....am I wrong with this? I didn’t even know who this Guerrero guy was until they announced he was fired! No wonder this company changes plans like the wind....
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