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MLB The Show 20: Game Update 1.11 Now Live, Tweaks Hitting in Diamond Dynasty

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MLB The Show 20: Game Update 1.11 Now Live, Tweaks Hitting in Diamond Dynasty

MLB The Show 20 update 1.11 is now live as of this morning, and it’s relatively minor patch. Here are the full patch notes.

Hitting
    • Based on community feedback, we have increased the size of the PCI slightly and increased the timing window slightly in all Diamond Dynasty modes. As always, we will continue to monitor feedback.
Gameplay
    • Fixed an issue where the runner leading off of first base would freeze on a specific line drive hit type to right field.
    • Polished the “get-up” animation that followed a dive with the ball in hand.
    • Fixed an issue that caused the user-controlled outfielder to select a non-urgent throw, allowing the baserunner to take extra bases.
March to October
    • Fixed an issue that would cause campaigns to receive an authentication error resulting in rewards being forfeited.
    • Crowd audio was missing at the beginning of certain Player-Lock March to October appearances.
Leagues
    • Corrected the Win-Loss records displayed during pre-game scenes of League Mode playoff games.
Miscellaneous
    • The notables during batter walk-ups should now be more accurate.
    • Fixed an issue where non-sell-able cards would appear to have the quick-sell option.
    • Various crash fixes.

Quick Thoughts

I don’t see this changing much for better or worse. I know there had been some critiques of the hitting windows within Diamond Dynasty — the “good, okay” meme comes to mind — but I feel like hit variety has been the the issue more than the feedback system itself. There are a lot of home runs on All-Star difficulty, and I am mildly concerned this will only lead to more high-scoring games at that level. I’m not too concerned about Hall Of Fame difficulty unless the timing window and PCI sizes are way different.

Elsewhere, the only other quality-of-life fix that sticks out to me is the “notables” being correct on walk-ups now. It seems like after the last patch, Diamond Dynasty had UI errors where players were being listed as leading the team with zero home runs and things like that. I assume this patch will fix that stuff.

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  1. Padgoi
    Once again the DD community complains they can't hit so we have to suffer. Old at this point.
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    It says it's just for DD modes though.
    ChaseB
    It says it's just for DD modes though.
    Yes sir, said that same thing for previous patches and.... Well... Let's just say I noticed otherwise.
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    If anything user hitting should be harder...
    Oh well haven’t played in a week now, looking like mlb 20 will ride off into the sunset for me.
    I would love another sim baseball title... really sucks that we have only 1 option really.. same with football
    Wondering if they tried to fix the homerun overlay bug again...
    Since DD is pretty homerun happy it would be nice if they finally get rid of it like they promised with the previous patch.
    Padgoi
    Yes sir, said that same thing for previous patches and.... Well... Let's just say I noticed otherwise.
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    If everything is a conspiracy then nothing is a conspiracy Padgoi.
    Curious what do they mean by notables during batter walk up? I’ve noticed the stats, batting average, homeruns, and RBIs to all be accurate in my franchise
    So wait, they made hitting easier online?
    I watch these streamers play, BR, events, etc on all star and instead of games 12-11 with 17 home runs there will be more? Yikes.
    Why don’t they focus on making pitching a tad easier so you don’t hang pitches with good release?
    Fiddy
    So wait, they made hitting easier online?
    I watch these streamers play, BR, events, etc on all star and instead of games 12-11 with 17 home runs there will be more? Yikes.
    Why don’t they focus on making pitching a tad easier so you don’t hang pitches with good release?

    Yeah, IRL hitting is not easy. But kids want to be able to hit HRs at will, so......
    Update.
    Played two event games.
    Now granted I’m pretty bad at the game hitting wise online. Just a heads up.
    Game 1. Lost 5-2 in 5 innings. Scored on a 2 run home run. My opponent had 3 dingers.
    Game 2. I won 5-0 and was still batting in top of the 2nd. All 5 of my runs were solo home runs.
    I think that tells us all we need to know. Lol.
    Edit again —
    Game 3. Lost 7-5. I hit 4 home runs and my opponent had 3 or 4 as well.
    Fiddy
    Update.
    Played two event games.
    Now granted I’m pretty bad at the game hitting wise online. Just a heads up.
    Game 1. Lost 5-2 in 5 innings. Scored on a 2 run home run. My opponent had 3 dingers.
    Game 2. I won 5-0 and was still batting in top of the 2nd. All 5 of my runs were solo home runs.
    I think that tells us all we need to know. Lol.
    Edit again —
    Game 3. Lost 7-5. I hit 4 home runs and my opponent had 3 or 4 as well.

    Oh god I DON’T like the sound of this at all! What’s the point of sliders if they’re gonna change hitting and play games with the slider gurus and we gotta tweak after every patch basically! Just leave the game alone! It always seem to be fine out of the box!
    I found it to be hit happy.. not homerun happy. I loved that. But it ALWAYS goes to homerun happy after all the tweaks! Leave hitting alone when it was great in the first place!
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    JaFFiTh
    Oh god I DON’T like the sound of this at all! What’s the point of sliders if they’re gonna change hitting and play games with the slider gurus and we gotta tweak after every patch basically! Just leave the game alone! It always seem to be fine out of the box!
    I found it to be hit happy.. not homerun happy. I loved that. But it ALWAYS goes to homerun happy after all the tweaks! Leave hitting alone when it was great in the first place!
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    The hitting changes are for Diamond Dynasty only.
    Offline is unchanged.
    SDS has yet to address the prospect trading issue in either a patch or a roster update. I took the time to balance my own roster, but it would have been nice if the issue had been acknowledged at some point.
    Circle the Wagons
    I’m disappointed nothing has been done about the home plate dirt at Miller Park yet. I’m surprised more Brewers fans aren’t upset.

    lol ever since someone mentioned it and i cant stand it now my self when i play a game at miller park. its just so weird that the dirt circle is just sooo large.
    LowerWolf
    SDS has yet to address the prospect trading issue in either a patch or a roster update. I took the time to balance my own roster, but it would have been nice if the issue had been acknowledged at some point.

    Honestly, good luck getting them to fix this. This will just be added to the list of continuing legacy issues plaguing the game.
    Circle the Wagons
    I’m disappointed nothing has been done about the home plate dirt at Miller Park yet. I’m surprised more Brewers fans aren’t upset.

    Maybe I don't play enough at Miller Park, what's wrong with the dirt?
    Redsfan112
    Curious what do they mean by notables during batter walk up? I’ve noticed the stats, batting average, homeruns, and RBIs to all be accurate in my franchise

    One that I noticed is when they compare months for a player. They’ll show July correct but June will show the players totals through June, so all of March, April, May and June.
    IMO this game every year plays at its best out of the box. Every year. They have all this time to tweak and correct things from the previous year and for the most part get it right at launch. They need to trust themselves and their judgment more than they do IMO. They value little Billy Bomb Squad in DD's judgment over their own and call the shots of how their game gets patched. At this point they are just patching their patches and the game gets worse and worse. I know this comes off as whiney and entitled....but id almost rather just get RBI or Super Mega Baseball because at least i KNOW im buying an arcade representation of baseball. I guess im part of the problem because i keep buying the game every year, play it for 2 months or so until i think the game isnt fun and then move on. Shame on me. /rant
    The number of patches this game gets every year is a joke in itself. As soon as said Sony Partner/streamer whines and complains they rush to appease them. Can't hurt the precious DD community. "This game is broken! I didn't hit 10 home runs this game. Wahhh."
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    PhilliesFan13
    The number of patches this game gets every year is a joke in itself. As soon as said Sony Partner/streamer whines and complains they rush to appease them. Can't hurt the precious DD community. "This game is broken! I didn't hit 10 home runs this game. Wahhh."
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    We have no choice but to deal with it. Sony has made it evident they value the DD community more than us because that's the larger percentage of their revenue stream. It's really as simple as that. Business 101.
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    Circle the Wagons
    I’m disappointed nothing has been done about the home plate dirt at Miller Park yet. I’m surprised more Brewers fans aren’t upset.

    It’s absolutely ridiculous. No other home plate dirt circle in the league is near as big as Miller Park’s. And it’s been like that for years.
    I won’t be able to play until tonight, but as long as it is for DD only and doesn’t effect offline I am good. I finally have my sliders locked in and am enjoying the game.
    Patches are one of the number one reasons I stop playing sports games early in the cycle. To me this years game was perfect out of the box. I just don’t understand why companies like EA and SDS don’t have separate patches for online and offline centric modes separately. And yes. The DD crowd is one of the bitchiest sets of gamers I have ever seen. All you have to do is go to theshownation and look at the first page of the general forum. Unfortunately this is the demographic developers are targeting and there is nothing we can do about it at this point. The ship has not only sailed, it most likely is not coming back to port ever again
    I'm a Brewers fan and haven't noticed the home plate dirt (probably will now), but am disappointed they haven't fixed the score board Plate Appearances issues yet.  All players still have a 0 for PA during entire season.
    Circle the Wagons
    I’m disappointed nothing has been done about the home plate dirt at Miller Park yet. I’m surprised more Brewers fans aren’t upset.

    I am not a Brewers fan but am playing with them this year. Was it that big last year?
    SDS still has not fixed the Cubs batter box lines. They have not degraded for years now. I am surprised Cubs fans aren't up in arms.
    chode60005
    I'm a Brewers fan and haven't noticed the home plate dirt (probably will now), but am disappointed they haven't fixed the score board Plate Appearances issues yet.* All players still have a 0 for PA during entire season.

    And it was working last year. I submitted a ticket on day 1 but hasn't been corrected sadly. I would think it would be a simple fix since it worked last year.
    KnightTemplar
    One full game in. One homer hit off me by Vogelbach. I had none.
    HOF vs HOF
    Classic pitching
    Auto field/manual throw
    Auto base running
    Off line seems fine.

    Any runner freezes (AB cancel) on AB?
    knich1
    Any runner freezes (AB cancel) on AB?

    The game played flawless. I use auto base running so don’t know if that makes a difference. There was no homerfest this game.
    Baserunning feels super suspect after this patch. I manually base run. I finally got a game in this afternoon and I had to jam on the button 4-5 times to get my runner to respond to advance several times throughout the game(while aiming the analog). Prior to this patch it was at least semi responsive but now feels very weird. I know they said didn’t mess with offline but something feels very weird with the base running today
    "-Fixed an issue that caused the user-controlled outfielder to select a non-urgent throw, allowing the baserunner to take extra bases."
    This is pretty much the only issue I had with this years game. Just yesterday my outfielder gave one of those lazy tosses back in while the base runner slowly strolled over to second on what should have been a single.
    jrnlgrn
    "-Fixed an issue that caused the user-controlled outfielder to select a non-urgent throw, allowing the baserunner to take extra bases."
    This is pretty much the only issue I had with this years game. Just yesterday my outfielder gave one of those lazy tosses back in while the base runner slowly strolled over to second on what should have been a single.

    I'm with you, but will add the number of times the CPU picks me off second base also gets under my skin...
    JaFFiTh
    Oh god I DON’T like the sound of this at all! What’s the point of sliders if they’re gonna change hitting and play games with the slider gurus and we gotta tweak after every patch basically! Just leave the game alone! It always seem to be fine out of the box!
    I found it to be hit happy.. not homerun happy. I loved that. But it ALWAYS goes to homerun happy after all the tweaks! Leave hitting alone when it was great in the first place!
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    I've found several games that play fine out of the box then they destroy it with patches. By the time 2k gets done patching their basketball game, it's basically last year's version with all the selling points for the new version no longer in the game.
    The game does have issues with hit timing. I don't know how many times it has shown my bat making contact with the ball in the middle of the green timing window and says late or early yet it's in the dang green zone and my guy magically misses or fouls it off. Personally I believe they have a attributes issue and hot cold zone issues that allow hitters to get hits. If I have a diamond John Franco with 125k and 110 hit per 9 rating and 125 clutch rating a pitcher has zero business ever making contact on a perfectly placed pitch. Or a hitter with a 60 rating and ball is perfectly placed in his dark blue cold zone but the guy still hits a rope. Pitchers in online with perfect release hanging pitches way to often as well.
    chode60005
    I'm a Brewers fan and haven't noticed the home plate dirt (probably will now), but am disappointed they haven't fixed the score board Plate Appearances issues yet.* All players still have a 0 for PA during entire season.

    You mean you haven’t noticed the home plate dirt that is as large as a crop circle?
    3 complete games since the patch and haven't noticed anything different in terms of hitting or really anything for that matter.
    I was hoping team records would be added to the Today's Games screen, but unfortunately they weren't.
    Playing 4th game now
    This is offline franchise on default legend - zone hitting - meter pitching
    Remember when "community feedback" was a shiny, new, positive thing.
    Cringe every time I see a patch notes mention it now.
    Modern gaming sucks. Overrun by whiny card-playing brats.
    We have (2) PS4s. We have designated one of them to always be offline so it gets no patches.
    Downside: We don’t get to play 1v1 online, no cards, no XP and no updated rosters.
    Benefit: Seems to play fine the way it is. The fielding issues don’t seem to be a significant issue but it’s there.
    Endorphinrush3000
    Im just sick and tired of patches in general. One after first 2 weeks to clean up the odd thing but leave the core (hitting and pitching) at what it is. If theres a ton of homers so be it mlb 20 is "the homer game" of the series. Use sliders and get over it.
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    Unfortunately, I wish it were that simple. Even out of the box there are some glaring core issues that need to be patched (hence why you even have day 1 patches). The problem is that because the game engine is so complex and different people work on different aspects of that engine, they are not always in sync. So a person working on one aspect is doing something it does not know is impacting another aspect. The end result is fixing one problem but creating another.
    SDS simply doesn't IMO have enough quality control bodies to catch these problems before the patch is released (this is also why they do beta testing).
    So patches today are needed because the games are so complex given the short development cycle. Let's just hope in the future they can add more folks to the team. That's why they are pushing so hard DD..lol.
    countryboy
    3 complete games since the patch and haven't noticed anything different in terms of hitting or really anything for that matter.
    I was hoping team records would be added to the Today's Games screen, but unfortunately they weren't.
    Playing 4th game now
    This is offline franchise on default legend - zone hitting - meter pitching

    Yeah, not seeing or feeling anything that seems diffferent
    knich1
    I am not a Brewers fan but am playing with them this year. Was it that big last year?

    If I remember right, the circle was still huge but they basically cut the top off the circle and made it a straight line. This was okay because the dirt area in play was roughly similar to the average park even though it was still too wide in foul territory.
    RayRay34
    Maybe I don't play enough at Miller Park, what's wrong with the dirt?

    It’s way too large. The dirt extends at least half way to the mound instead of the usual ~6 feet. It’s too bad because Miller Park is well done otherwise.
    I’m 100% an offline franchise guy who couldn’t care less about Diamond Dynasty and Road to the Show. I’m pretty dang satisfied with franchise. I would like to see the fictitious managers replaced by their real life counterparts though.
    From a technical stand point how difficult would it be to patch in a runner scored team mate animation/interaction outside of the home run!
    Bases were loaded CPU hits a base clearing double. All men on base cross the plate only to walk passed each other into the dugout. It’s just incredibly disappointing after many iterations of this game.
    OS members use any connections you may have to help this get implemented/voted up on some level in patch 1.12. Waiting to MLB The Show 2021 is just not a ideal option.
    In case anyone was wondering, a big effect of the "notables" patch is that in modes like Moments and Conquest with one-time-only squads, instead of posting a statline of zeros on walkup, it'll show that player's contact, power, and speed ratings in the stat box.
    I’m hoping it’s just a Minute Maid field issue as I started a 4 game series there after this patch and the fielding issues are back and worse than before. I have outfielders literally running over the ball, routine fly balls and even infield pop-ups where it won’t even let me get into the proper position to catch the ball. The player will go into an animation and they are stuck outside of the giant ball indicator with absolutely zero chance of catching the ball.
    It’s worse than it was before they “fixed” it.
    Unfortunately it appears that the fielding issues are back but not as bad as before but it still will need to be addressed. I have experienced this in Custom Leagues not DD because I haven't played DD since patch.
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    countryboy
    3 complete games since the patch and haven't noticed anything different in terms of hitting or really anything for that matter.
    I was hoping team records would be added to the Today's Games screen, but unfortunately they weren't.
    Playing 4th game now
    This is offline franchise on default legend - zone hitting - meter pitching

    Ditto. Offline is fantastic.
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    Did anyone else's settings totally reset after this update? Somehow I'm on the "Beginner" profile with meter pitching in my Franchise. I had settings just right before.
    baseballguy99
    If anything user hitting should be harder...
    Oh well haven’t played in a week now, looking like mlb 20 will ride off into the sunset for me.
    I would love another sim baseball title... really sucks that we have only 1 option really.. same with football

    Unfortunately it’s starting to look like sim sports games are dead. I got the same feeling when I played 2K this year and now with show showing more and more concern for DD it feels the same.
    How is the cpu offense in relation to before this patch offline? I've only played two games and my friend played two games, all on legend, and the cpu pci seems larger and they're crushing everything close.
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    Padgoi
    How is the cpu offense in relation to before this patch offline? I've only played two games and my friend played two games, all on legend, and the cpu pci seems larger and they're crushing everything close.
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    Same as pre patch
    I’ve played 7 games since patch and don’t see a difference. My last game was a complete game shutout.
    Default Legend with meter pitching and zone hitting
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    Hoping to be able to play tonight. Got one essay left and my semester is done so Ill finally be able to get a The Show Brewers franchise going.
    For anyone interested here is a video of a game I played against the Nats post patch 1.11. Sorry the first batter was missed as it stopped recording for some reason.
    This is default Legend
    PhlliesPhan6
    Did anyone else's settings totally reset after this update? Somehow I'm on the "Beginner" profile with meter pitching in my Franchise. I had settings just right before.

    Yes happened to me but BEFORE I installed the patch. I was mid game and went to put game in sleep mode and it didn't do it normally. When went to resume I had lost the data and got that profile. Fortunately, only lost the saved game, all my other saves and settings were still there.
    sabastiane
    Unfortunately it’s starting to look like sim sports games are dead. I got the same feeling when I played 2K this year and now with show showing more and more concern for DD it feels the same.

    I simply have to disagree with this in regards to The Show.
    Offline I have never ever played a better representation (on a console) of the game of baseball than The Show 20. It simply has never been better. I have played every game in this series dating back to 2009 when I made the leap from the now far outdated and vastly inferior MVP 2005 (sorry but that game is nothing and nowhere like the simulation I get on MLB The Show 20, in fact I popped it in on my old XBOX last week and shut it off after 2 innings lmao). I am not talking modes....I am talking game play. Strictly game play and the pitcher/batter showdown which is the heart and soul of baseball.
    The Show 20 nails this.
    Hitting is simply divine. Pitching as well. Fielding for me will never be perfect in a video game. If you want those gorgeous animations there is give and take. That is why I auto field and manual throw off line. Obviously online I field......and fielding is actually never been better on this series as it is this season. Again my opinion and I know plenty here disagree.
    But I simply can’t stop playing this game. I seriously see myself not stopping till MLB 21 on the PS5.
    The release was rough for certain guys like me who play with a clean screen. But they got it all cleaned up quickly in spite of the crazy times we have been living in and they should be commended.
    And speaking of online gameplay. Our OS DD league is going incredibly smooth. Gameplay is really good online (finally) with very few hiccups and disconnects. Custom Leagues is great. We all play clean screen Directional/Classic and are having a great time.
    Armor and Sword

    But I simply can’t stop playing this game. I seriously see myself not stopping till MLB 21 on the PS5.

    I agree 100%. I’m a strictly offline player and I’ve never been more addicted to a baseball game before - including MVP 05.
    Sure, some of it probably has to do with not having real baseball. But I think the top reason is that it’s such a good representation of baseball with only relatively minor slider adjustments.
    Ok, maybe it's just me, maybe it was time for a losing streak, not sure, but this latest patch has, in my opinion, absolutely changed the gameplay. The cpu pci is absolutely, horrendously enormous now. They'll still strike out, but their pci is so big that they are able to make solid contact now all the time.
    And when I say the pci is huge, I legit mean it's larger than the entire strike zone. They can say whatever they want in the patch notes, but this latest patch absolutely made pci larger offline.
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    Padgoi
    Ok, maybe it's just me, maybe it was time for a losing streak, not sure, but this latest patch has, in my opinion, absolutely changed the gameplay. The cpu pci is absolutely, horrendously enormous now. They'll still strike out, but their pci is so big that they are able to make solid contact now all the time.
    And when I say the pci is huge, I legit mean it's larger than the entire strike zone. They can say whatever they want in the patch notes, but this latest patch absolutely made pci larger offline.
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    It didn't for me. Not sure why the difference.
    PCI is same as it was prior.
    This is for Christian Stewart, the #9 hitter on the Detroit Tigers. He hit. 233 last year with a - 0.3 WAR.
    I think they went a touch overboard here.
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    Its always been that way. I don't have a still photo, but here's a game I broadcasted a month ago against the Mets, the PCI is the same as it is now.

    PCI in reference photo is Ian Rice
    I've found the game to be very frustrating since this latest patch. I have a lot of warning track flyouts while the CPU gets very cheap hits. I also am finding my pitchers missing middle/middle a ton. I would honestly prefer to see the CPU squaring up balls to get hits rather than weak ground balls directly over third base while my defense is shifted (every time). Manual baserunning is awful and the CPU guns out runners at a ridiculous rate. I still think this is the best baseball game ever made by far, but still is a little frustrating at times.
    bb9
    I've found the game to be very frustrating since this latest patch. I have a lot of warning track flyouts while the CPU gets very cheap hits. I also am finding my pitchers missing middle/middle a ton. I would honestly prefer to see the CPU squaring up balls to get hits rather than weak ground balls directly over third base while my defense is shifted (every time). Manual baserunning is awful and the CPU guns out runners at a ridiculous rate. I still think this is the best baseball game ever made by far, but still is a little frustrating at times.

    Unfortunately, patch 1.11 has not come close to fixing the auto cancel/runners freezing randomly on AB as it suggested. The darn thing even cancels on a foul ball, which I have no idea how you manually do that when the ball is not in play and no one is on base.
    And yes...way too many base hits to opposite field on shifted defense. The reason shifted defense works IRL because the hitter with extreme pull tendency actually pulls the ball. In the game (and this is a legacy issue), no matter how much you pitch the hitter inside, he still pushes the ball to the opposite field. And if you throw outside, he lines it to opposite field. I hope this AI gets corrected with the new engine because it is a problem that is unrealistic.
    Anytime SDS drops a patch that fixes online stuff all you see in these threads are “ wow my pitcher is struggling “ “ wow first game patch and I only got 4 hits” using patch notes to blame baseball being baseball. Our offline games are playing the same before the new patch dropped.
    Guys_WhoGame
    Anytime SDS drops a patch that fixes online stuff all you see in these threads are “ wow my pitcher is struggling “ “ wow first game patch and I only got 4 hits” using patch notes to blame baseball being baseball. Our offline games are playing the same before the new patch dropped.

    100% spot on.
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    Guys_WhoGame
    Anytime SDS drops a patch that fixes online stuff all you see in these threads are “ wow my pitcher is struggling “ “ wow first game patch and I only got 4 hits” using patch notes to blame baseball being baseball. Our offline games are playing the same before the new patch dropped.

    5 games in, it's definitely different.
    bb9
    5 games in, it's definitely different.

    I have played over 200 hours and counting of this years game and over 160 games now inside of franchise mode.
    Its not. Not in this persons opinion. So take it for what its worth. Game is as good if not better than it was the day it was released.
    IMO there is so much placebo anytime a patch drops....same crap every single solitary year. They have barely tuned offline gameplay this cycle thus far if much at all.
    Armor and Sword

    IMO there is so much placebo anytime a patch drops....same crap every single solitary year. They have barely tuned offline gameplay this cycle thus far if much at all.

    In my first 4 games in franchise after this patch, I could not do anything. One run, shut out, four runs, one run. I was certain something under the hood had changed and I'd need to bump the hard hit slider back to default, but decided to play another game first.
    25 hits and 13 runs later I'm pretty sure its fine
    To add to the frustration, power went out in the sixth inning. I was up 9-3 and Clevinger had 10 ks. I was really trying to play a whole season with two teams but I'm losing momentum by the day. And it's only June 2nd. I still agree this is the best baseball game so far.
    I agree it's playing differently since last 1.11 patch. The difference I'm seeing is that, on Legend, the CPU PCI has gotten so large that they make solid contact on easily 65% of all pitches regardless of location.
    Padgoi
    I agree it's playing differently since the last 1.11 patch. The difference I'm seeing is that, on Legend, the CPU PCI has gotten so large that they make solid contact on easily 65% of all pitches regardless of location.

    I've noticed this as well. I've gone from giving up around an average of seven hits a game from games 1-15 in this season of my franchise to giving up an average of 13 per game in the ten games I've played post-patch.
    Also, the Mets 68 overall AA backup catcher with 22 power against lefties pulled a low and outside 2SFB 450+ft for a walk-off grand slam against me three games ago...
    KariLetsThemIn
    I've noticed this as well. I've gone from giving up around an average of seven hits a game from games 1-15 in this season of my franchise to giving up an average of 13 per game in the ten games I've played post-patch.
    Also, the Mets 68 overall AA backup catcher with 22 power against lefties pulled a low and outside 2SFB 450+ft for a walk-off grand slam against me three games ago...
    The developers said the pci was made bigger in this patch (albeit for DD only). I'm definitely noticing a larger PCI for the Cpu since the patch and to me it's not even debatable.
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    Padgoi
    The developers said the pci was made bigger in this patch (albeit for DD only). I'm definitely noticing a larger PCI for the Cpu since the patch and to me it's not even debatable.
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    Completely agreed.
    I clearly see a larger PCI for the CPU post-patch on Play Now / Exhibition games. I cannot strike anyone out with the slider set I've been using for the last few month, and I am struggling bit-time to get anyone out. Pitches outside the zone are getting hammered at an unrealistic rate. It's not a placebo effect - it's clearly different.
    Armor and Sword
    I have played over 200 hours and counting of this years game and over 160 games now inside of franchise mode.
    Its not. Not in this persons opinion. So take it for what its worth. Game is as good if not better than it was the day it was released.
    IMO there is so much placebo anytime a patch drops....same crap every single solitary year. They have barely tuned offline gameplay this cycle thus far if much at all.

    I mean this with no disrespect but if they can change hitting for DD only as they claim , why is it then that they have to nerf bunting to the point that it’s almost unusable in franchise?? Why couldn’t they tune that separately?? I have more examples of the BS that they talk out of both sides of their mouth but I won’t go into it. I installed 17 the other night to see if I was just more tolerant of bad gameplay those days then I am now and I was truly shocked at just how much better the gameplay was then compared to now. Perfect ? No but it felt like real baseball . The last 3 years not so much.
    Brewers 15
    I mean this with no disrespect but if they can change hitting for DD only as they claim , why is it then that they have to nerf bunting to the point that it’s almost unusable in franchise?? Why couldn’t they tune that separately?? I have more examples of the BS that they talk out of both sides of their mouth but I won’t go into it. I installed 17 the other night to see if I was just more tolerant of bad gameplay those days then I am now and I was truly shocked at just how much better the gameplay was then compared to now. Perfect ? No but it felt like real baseball . The last 3 years not so much.

    In regards to bunting, they changed bunting for every mode because in '16, prior to the change, bunting was way too easy as you could lay down perfect bunts, especially sac bunts, with any player no matter their ratings.
    The change to bunting wasn't purely for preventing bunt cheese in DD, but rather re-doing it to try and make it more "realistic" where only good bunters could lay down good bunts more successfully than poor bunters.
    countryboy
    In regards to bunting, they changed bunting for every mode because in '16, prior to the change, bunting was way too easy as you could lay down perfect bunts, especially sac bunts, with any player no matter their ratings.
    The change to bunting wasn't purely for preventing bunt cheese in DD, but rather re-doing it to try and make it more "realistic" where only good bunters could lay down good bunts more successfully than poor bunters.

    How much longer until your yearly apprecation post about how this version of The Show is the best ever? I always enjoy those.
    countryboy
    In regards to bunting, they changed bunting for every mode because in '16, prior to the change, bunting was way too easy as you could lay down perfect bunts, especially sac bunts, with any player no matter their ratings.
    The change to bunting wasn't purely for preventing bunt cheese in DD, but rather re-doing it to try and make it more "realistic" where only good bunters could lay down good bunts more successfully than poor bunters.

    Well statistically even bad bunters would be able to sac bunt better than the game allows now, and as much as they have openly said they have worked on it it has not changed so again leads me to believe that they cannot change it separately from online. Same stuff I hear about analog pitching. Sorry but I have to call a spade a spade .
    Brewers 15
    Well statistically even bad bunters would be able to sac bunt better than the game allows now, and as much as they have openly said they have worked on it it has not changed so again leads me to believe that they cannot change it separately from online. Same stuff I hear about analog pitching. Sorry but I have to call a spade a spade .

    My post has nothing to do with success rate versus non-success rate of sacrifice bunting.
    You were questioning SDS ability to tune the game separately for online versus offline and used bunting as an example. My post was pointing out that bunting wasn't tuned just for online play, it was tuned universally due to the fact that in '16 and years before the change, bunting was automatic, so they attempted to change it for both offline and online to make it "more realistic".
    So yes, they have the ability to tune online play without affecting offline play and vice versa.
    My experience since the patch has been that nothing has changed for offline hitting. The same ebbs and flows occur in my games post patch as they did pre patch. I'm getting the same variation of games post patch that I did pre patch. Pitchers duels, slugfests, and everything in between. I haven't seen an increase in CPU hitting, a change in the size of the PCI, nor anything nerfed nor boosted.
    Offline play is the same now after patch 1.11 as it was before
    This is where you lose people, bro. Bunting was far from automatic in '16 or prior. Easier, yes. But the developers made it very clear that bunting was "fixed" to stop the online cheese. And by this time I think they've made it absolute clear that their agenda lies with keeping the online crowd happy as that is a huge revenue stream. Bunting is broken. It's been broken. They have no intention of fixing it. It's completely unusable. Sacrifice bunting is an utter waste.
    Now, back to the topic at end, once again, it's absolutely obvious that the cpu pci has been enlargened since patch 1.11 was dropped. It's not placebo. It's not us making stuff up. It's there. And because of it, the cpu has been crushing everything in sight. Believe whatever you want. I'll believe what I experience. They can see whatever the hell they want to say. They made the pci bigger because, once again, the online crowd got upset and said hitting was too hard so they appeased that demographic and once again force us to have to tweak our sliders to fix it in order to maintain a semblance of realism.
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    Padgoi
    This is where you lose people, bro. Bunting was far from automatic in '16 or prior. Easier, yes. But the developers made it very clear that bunting was "fixed" to stop the online cheese. And by this time I think they've made it absolute clear that their agenda lies with keeping the online crowd happy as that is a huge revenue stream. Bunting is broken. It's been broken. They have no intention of fixing it. It's completely unusable. Sacrifice bunting is an utter waste.
    Now, back to the topic at end, once again, it's absolutely obvious that the cpu pci has been enlargened since patch 1.11 was dropped. It's not placebo. It's not us making stuff up. It's there. And because of it, the cpu has been crushing everything in sight. Believe whatever you want. I'll believe what I experience. They can see whatever the hell they want to say. They made the pci bigger because, once again, the online crowd got upset and said hitting was too hard so they appeased that demographic and once again force us to have to tweak our sliders to fix it in order to maintain a semblance of realism.
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    Is this PCI larger than what it was prior to the patch?
    After about 40 games or so in the latest event it's definitely more difficult to strike guys out and giving up quite a few weak hits on pitches outside the zone. Have not done any RS so not sure how it plays on HOF and Legend.
    Outfielders still get into no rush to get the ball back in and same with relays from the cutoff man. It's like one animation has to finish and then it takes it a second to realize the command you preloaded. I don't know if being on a standard PS4 as opposed to a Pro makes any difference?
    Haven't taken any balls off the head in a long time though which is nice.
    In the few games of franchise nothing really stood out hitting wise. Same as before patch on HOF+ with no slider adjustments.
    countryboy
    That screenshot is from a game I played and streamed on April 14th, a month prior to the patch.
    Link to video to prove time stamp (or view post #75 in this thread)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e5JN92Fi_0

    LOL That doesn't prove anything. But nice try. Not that I agree with either side. But there are too many variables for one screen grab or video to be used as proof either way. From difficulty to modes, to "player' mood in the game etc. This just isn't proof at all. I for one, certainly, am not going to just take your word for anything at this point. Arguing points on here is like trying to bail water with a net, its just pointless and frustrating.
    Bullit
    LOL That doesn't prove anything. But nice try. Not that I agree with either side. But there are too many variables for one screen grab or video to be used as proof either way. From difficulty to modes, to "player' mood in the game etc. This just isn't proof at all. I for one, certainly, am not going to just take your word for anything at this point. Arguing points on here is like trying to bail water with a net, its just pointless and frustrating.

    I certainly wouldn't expect you to take my word for anything.
    Bullit
    LOL That doesn't prove anything. But nice try. Not that I agree with either side. But there are too many variables for one screen grab or video to be used as proof either way. From difficulty to modes, to "player' mood in the game etc. This just isn't proof at all.

    You're right, it doesn't...but it does allude to the subjectivity involved. ANY kind of before/after comparison has to be done in a controlled environment. That means NO other variables. In a normal gamer's environment, it's impossible....it would have to be done in a test kit where ALL other variables are fixed for the comparison to be 100% factual.
    Gamers are notorious for making statements about how things "get broken" that don't have a basis in fact. How do I know? I've done it myself (repeatedly). Some people think it's different, others don't. Neither is wrong....neither is right....because what they "think" is subjective.
    I know people aren't arguing this (yet...) but prior to this patch I took a screenshot of the ingame user PCI to compare with what it would be like after, because I figured this topic would come up. Note the time stamp on the first screenshot - hours before the patch came out.

    For both screens, Offline Play Now, difficulty was AllStar default, and I used the Strikezone cam because it's easier to see in a screenshot. Anyone who fires up the game on AS default and puts these two players (Bryant and Flaherty) in on the first pitch of the game should have a PCI that looks identical to this. This is what Josh was talking about regarding variables - I've cut all of them out by creating the exact same situation. It actually took significantly longer to upload the video (which for some reason was constantly inverted coming from my phone) and blurring my name with the editor than it did to test this, so I hope people aren't going to try and claim I faked it with the ratings or something.
    I can't say anything definitive for the CPU side because as Josh said there are a lot of uncontrollable variables present, although I personally don't feel it's changed. As always, PCI size varies with batter/pitcher rating matchup, difficulty, presence of quirks, and by the type of swing the batter takes (yes, it will take power swings situationally and the PCI is smaller on those).
    I'm not strawmanning PAD here, just giving my data on the one side of this that can be proven pretty easily. What I am saying is that the user side hasn't changed post-patch, which means we're narrowing it down to the possibility of them only having changed the CPU side separately - and I find that unlikely.
    Edit: Noticed Bryant has the "Day Player" quirk, and Flaherty has "Homebody" AND "Day Player". This is why it's important to account for variables - this PCI matchup will change if the game is played away from Busch Stadium according to those quirks. Theoretically, both Day Player quirks would cancel each other out in either a day or night game and not cause any change.
    bcruise
    I know people aren't arguing this (yet...) but prior to this patch I took a screenshot of the ingame user PCI to compare with what it would be like after, because I figured this topic would come up. Note the time stamp on the first screenshot - hours before the patch came out.

    For both screens, Offline Play Now, difficulty was AllStar default, and I used the Strikezone cam because it's easier to see in a screenshot. Anyone who fires up the game on AS default and puts these two players (Bryant and Flaherty) in on the first pitch of the game should have a PCI that looks identical to this. This is what Josh was talking about regarding variables - I've cut all of them out by creating the exact same situation. It actually took significantly longer to upload the video (which for some reason was constantly inverted coming from my phone) and blurring my name with the editor than it did to test this, so I hope people aren't going to try and claim I faked it with the ratings or something.
    I can't say anything definitive for the CPU side because as Josh said there are a lot of uncontrollable variables present, although I personally don't feel it's changed. As always, PCI size varies with batter/pitcher rating matchup, difficulty, presence of quirks, and by the type of swing the batter takes (yes, it will take power swings situationally and the PCI is smaller on those).
    I'm not strawmanning PAD here, just giving my data on the one side of this that can be proven pretty easily. What I am saying is that the user side hasn't changed post-patch, which means we're narrowing it down to the possibility of them only having changed the CPU side separately - and I find that unlikely.
    Edit: Noticed Bryant has the "Day Player" quirk, and Flaherty has "Homebody" AND "Day Player". This is why it's important to account for variables - this PCI matchup will change if the game is played away from Busch Stadium according to those quirks. Theoretically, both Day Player quirks would cancel each other out in either a day or night game and not cause any change.
    Good info cruise. In my opinion the user pci seems the same.
    The cpu pci seems noticeably larger.
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    I have had a large enough sample size to know that this patch has changed hitting. The game is a homer fest now. Gameplay was just about perfect for me. Now I'm averaging 5 or 6 home runs a game between myself and the CPU. I had been using Mike Lowes version 1 sliders with dynamic pitching and hitting. The game was fun, challenging and fair. After a few frustrating games last week I downloaded Mike's version1.6. Still averaging 5 or 6 runs. I even loaded my Show 19 sliders in and the home runs are still a problem. At this point I'm convinced it's the game. For the time being I lowered CPU and User power.
    *I think figured it out. My pitching dynamic difficulty was over HOF. I'm not that good. I went back to Mike's 1.6 slider set and I set pitching back down to allstar and I'm enjoying the game again. I just had 2 tense back and forth games (1-1) without the crazy homers. I was wrong, it wasnt the patch it, it was me.
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    Culture Rot
    How much longer until your yearly apprecation post about how this version of The Show is the best ever? I always enjoy those.

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    Round and round we go. Where it stops, nobody.....well, it just won't.
    Forum seems to have been taken over for by a few on both sides going back and forth. And that's alright I guess, but nothing much gets "proven".
    I think most are enjoying the game immensely. Just my opinion. With the ton of options that this game gives I just wonder if it's all in the personal settings being wrong for the gamer, rage quitting and then constantly searching for the “right” sliders/settings, etc. Don't know. Just sayin'.
    Offline hitting, for me, stayed the same because nothing changed.
    Online hitting, for me, changed because I'm hammering home runs left and right. That didn't happen before and happening now because of the larger PCI. I mean I'm hitting "early ok" home runs.
    For sure online more balls in play, less strikeouts, and more pop outs etc.
    I’ve been getting hit pretty hard by the cpu lately and thought it could be patch related, but then it hit me......my team is ranked 28th in pitching. Duh.
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