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Mass Shooting at Madden Tournament Leaves "Multiple People Dead"

Tragedy has struck the eSports circuit for sports games, as a shooter entered a tournament for Madden NFL in Jacksonville and opened fire.

The moment the shooting began was captured on a stream of the tournament.

*warning disturbing video*

The Jacksonville Sherriff’s Office is confirming multiple people are dead.

Here is some more information in case you are still at the event:

One reported shot is Larry Legend as updated by his mother on Twitter:

One suspect is reported dead at the scene.

We will update this post as more information comes available.

Update (3:27pm ET): Local TV is reporting 4 dead and 11 injured at this time.

Update (3:35pm ET): The LA Times is reporting the shooter was a gamer who had lost earlier in the tournament. He targeted a few people before turning the gun on himself.

Update (3:50pm ET): EA’s official, initial response below:

Update (4:35pm ET): Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office has announced the scene is now secure and there are no outstanding suspects.

There have also been a couple of firsthand accounts of being shot released on Twitter:

Update (8:00pm ET): Larry’s mother provided an update. Great news here.

Update (8:20 PM ET): Jacksonville County Sheriff Mike Williams identified the suspect as 24-year-old David Katz, of Baltimore.

Nine of the injured victims were struck by gunfire, while two more sustained other wounds, Williams said, adding that all of them were in stable condition.

Update (10:30 PM ET): Update from the official Madden Twitter account.

Update (8-27 – 4:46 PM ET): From EA today.

Update (8-27 – 5:00 PM ET): The verified GoFundMe to support the families of Eli Clayton and Taylor Robertson can be found below.

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  1. I mean what else is there to say. I feel like this thing just happens so often now. It's just a matter of where and when?
    It's terrible.
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    Disgusted to hear this happened today. My thoughts are with all of those affected.
    Let's do what we can to life our gaming community up.
    I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner. With all the moronic trash talk that goes on during these things, it only takes one mentally unstable goof to go off like this.
    "Update (3:35pm ET): The LA Times is reporting the shooter was a gamer who had lost earlier in the tournament. He targeted a few people before turning the gun on himself."
    Just awful. Can't believe this would cause someone to commit something like this....
    I know the esports community isn't very well represented here, but if there were any OS'ers who were attending this event.....please be safe.
    Thoughts and prayers out to all those affected.
    Most of these guys in the madden tourney have headphones in. and probably didn't know what was going on. which makes this even more heinous.
    I'm ****ing pissed off right now.........about this madden 19 is a such a good game and for some guy to do this to people just sucks....if you feel so bad SUCK IT UP not everyone is gonna get hot girls. BIG DEAL ......Don't ****ing attack or kill innocent guys enjoying the game It's digusting
    I'm 46. I have 3 teenage kids (2 boys). We are very open about everything in life, and the boys told me about this while we were involved in a church function this afternoon. You pause in a moment like this and appreciate life itself. (We lost our oldest son in a car accident coming up on 3 years ago, so we get the fragility of life). But everyone needs to step back and take a deep breath, and recognize the value of life and people. This is just sad... If you're a parent here, take a moment to talk to your kids...and give them a hug. Nobody who participated in that even today thought for a second they would end up dead.
    This is the last straw... Gaming events need to be held online only like they were before social media came about. These shooters are just trying to be glorified one way or another on the media. I highly suggest EA cancels all events and host them online only. Literally, if there wasn't a streaming platform (Twitch, Mixer) for events then local competitions for major championships wouldn't be a thing. ONLINE ONLY EVENTS is the future of gaming safely and professionally from the comfort of home!
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    This is a big blow to esports as soon as it starts getting more mainstream with televised tournaments etc......this will force some changes for sure. This is America for you, land of Mass Shootings, another in Florida which is becoming too common there. It's really not safe anywhere you go anymore. If this was really just over a video game loss this is a little different then this time than a random mass shooting
    oneHova
    This is the last straw... Gaming events need to be held online only like they were before social media came about. These shooters are just trying to be glorified one way or another on the media. I highly suggest EA cancels all events and host them online only. Literally, if there wasn't a streaming platform (Twitch, Mixer) for events then local competitions for major championships wouldn't be a thing. ONLINE ONLY EVENTS is the future of gaming safely and professionally from the comfort of home!
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    That is an absurd overreaction. Any large gathering of people can be a target.
    fballturkey
    That is an absurd overreaction. Any large gathering of people can be a target.
    I know it might be but gaming with headphones on and not hearing shots until they are landing is insane. Gamers competing for professionalism online is clearly the only way. Especially if EA doesn't want to fund the same kind of bag check security they had at EA Play. Nowadays we have the ability to stream our own games from home with our own cameras. Why do we need to meet like locally and compete against complete strangers who may snap after just like today?
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    oneHova
    I know it might be but gaming with headphones on and not hearing shots until they are landing is insane. Gamers competing for professionalism online is clearly the only way. Especially if EA doesn't want to fund the same kind of bag check security they had at EA Play. Nowadays we have the ability to stream our own games from home with our own cameras. Why do we need to meet like locally and compete against complete strangers who may snap after just like today?
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    Ill ask the obvious question. How did he get it by security?
    PeoplesChampGB
    Thats the dumbest protocol for an event like this. What were they thinking?
    It's because if the gaming event is not held at and in a convention center. Then apparently it doesn't need the same type of convention center level security.
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    PeoplesChampGB
    Thats the dumbest protocol for an event like this. What were they thinking?

    They were probably thinking its just a gaming tourney. People are there to have fun. Its easy to be critical in hindsight. Someone could walk into a McDonalds right now and open fire on everyone. Theres no real security there. Im sure going forward these events will have beefed up security. The problem isn't lack of security, the problem is we have lunatics out here forcing everyone to live in fear.
    I live in Jacksonville. The place this was held at, The Jacksonville Landing, is like an outdoor mall on the waterfront in downtown (approx. 5 mins away from TIAA Bank Field). There was a shooting there just last year where a teenage kid was shot. It's not very well secured and not a safe place to go.
    ratedmoney
    They were probably thinking its just a gaming tourney. People are there to have fun. Its easy to be critical in hindsight. Someone could walk into a McDonalds right now and open fire on everyone. Theres no real security there. Im sure going forward these events will have beefed up security. The problem isn't lack of security, the problem is we have lunatics out here forcing everyone to live in fear.

    Bottom line is that sort of security would cost money in and of itself and it would also depress turnout. It's not a stretch of the imagination to think the event doesn't run if anyone thought that sort of thing was necessary.
    stinkubus
    Unless the venue just happened to have one lying around where are they going to get it?

    If I'm not mistaken this wasn't just any event though, it was an officially sanctioned EA Sports event. In fact there were staff from EA there if I'm not mistaken. I also heard that the shots may have come from a nearby restuarant so who knows until an official report is given.
    ratedmoney
    They were probably thinking its just a gaming tourney. People are there to have fun. Its easy to be critical in hindsight. Someone could walk into a McDonalds right now and open fire on everyone. Theres no real security there. Im sure going forward these events will have beefed up security. The problem isn't lack of security, the problem is we have lunatics out here forcing everyone to live in fear.

    Mcdonalds isnt a contest with money and prizes being handed out.
    stinkubus
    Bottom line is that sort of security would cost money in and of itself and it would also depress turnout. It's not a stretch of the imagination to think the event doesn't run if anyone thought that sort of thing was necessary.

    Yea. No reason to secure an event giving out cash and prizes. Thats lunacy.
    oneHova
    I know it might be but gaming with headphones on and not hearing shots until they are landing is insane. Gamers competing for professionalism online is clearly the only way. Especially if EA doesn't want to fund the same kind of bag check security they had at EA Play. Nowadays we have the ability to stream our own games from home with our own cameras. Why do we need to meet like locally and compete against complete strangers who may snap after just like today?
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    A LAN connection ensures no player can be above another in terms of net code, packet loss, ping, rubber banding, etc...nearly all esports leagues have tournaments in person such as Counter Strike, Overwatch, Rainbow Six, etc.
    The issue with these shootings is a lack of respect for others. The "golden rule" seems to be less and less prevelant in society.
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    Speedy
    A LAN connection ensures no player can be above another in terms of net code, packet loss, ping, rubber banding, etc...nearly all esports leagues have tournaments in person such as Counter Strike, Overwatch, Rainbow Six, etc.
    The issue with these shootings is a lack of respect for others. The "golden rule" seems to be less and less prevelant in society.
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    Mental health is a serious issue. Plenty of people have anger problems. But they don't just go psychotic like this.
    To do these kind of heinous things you have to have something very wrong with you.
    Lack of empathy is definitely a factor. But man, this is just heartless and stupid.
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    Speedy
    A LAN connection ensures no player can be above another in terms of net code, packet loss, ping, rubber banding, etc...nearly all esports leagues have tournaments in person such as Counter Strike, Overwatch, Rainbow Six, etc.
    The issue with these shootings is a lack of respect for others. The "golden rule" seems to be less and less prevelant in society.
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    The golden rule takes a certain amount of logic.
    With heightened entitlement, lacking self-awareness, and diminishing mental health being so prevalent -- the logic behind the golden rule isn't at the forefront.
    Mix all of that with a certain level of rage, and it's scary. Heightened security is quickly becoming the necessary amount of security.
    Speedy
    A LAN connection ensures no player can be above another in terms of net code, packet loss, ping, rubber banding, etc...nearly all esports leagues have tournaments in person such as Counter Strike, Overwatch, Rainbow Six, etc.
    The issue with these shootings is a lack of respect for others. The "golden rule" seems to be less and less prevelant in society.
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    I understand LAN connection is ideal for flawless gameplay. But internet connection and its technology nowadays is nearing the gap between it and LAN. If players who want to become pro want the best experience they'd have stable LAN like internet speeds and connection. Now I do understand that server-side game issues do accure. But honestly for sports games at least they could be online only for their competitive events. Especially if EA isn't going to rent out a major convention centers with major convention center security.
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    JulianjFS
    Most of these guys in the madden tourney have headphones in. and probably didn't know what was going on. which makes this even more heinous.
    I'm ****ing pissed off right now.........about this madden 19 is a such a good game and for some guy to do this to people just sucks....if you feel so bad SUCK IT UP not everyone is gonna get hot girls. BIG DEAL ......Don't ****ing attack or kill innocent guys enjoying the game It's digusting

    theres a reason why i stopped wearing head phones years ago, so over rated, give me surround sound instead with a nice sub woofer
    oneHova
    This is the last straw... Gaming events need to be held online only like they were before social media came about. These shooters are just trying to be glorified one way or another on the media. I highly suggest EA cancels all events and host them online only. Literally, if there wasn't a streaming platform (Twitch, Mixer) for events then local competitions for major championships wouldn't be a thing. ONLINE ONLY EVENTS is the future of gaming safely and professionally from the comfort of home!
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    or just have EA hire security and hold an event at a place that isnt a gun free zone, there are so many mistakes EA or the hosts of this event made security wise
    PeoplesChampGB
    Ill ask the obvious question. How did he get it by security?

    i heard from someone there exact quote "EA cheap a**es didnt even hire security and it was a gun free zone on top of that"
    oneHova
    I understand LAN connection is ideal for flawless gameplay. But internet connection and its technology nowadays is nearing the gap between it and LAN. If players who want to become pro want the best experience they'd have stable LAN like internet speeds and connection. Now I do understand that server-side game issues do accure. But honestly for sports games at least they could be online only for their competitive events. Especially if EA isn't going to rent out a major convention centers with major convention center security.
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    How do get perfectly clean gameplay when you have teams playing all over countries like London, Korea, the US, Australia, Canada over a "wireless connection"? And that's just players on a certain team nevermind the two teams matched up.
    MJDrocks

    I live in Jacksonville. The place this was held at, The Jacksonville Landing, is like an outdoor mall on the waterfront in downtown (approx. 5 mins away from TIAA Bank Field). There was a shooting there just last year where a teenage kid was shot. It's not very well secured and not a safe place to go.

    dont forget to mention its a gun-free zone, so when fools scream ban guns, logical people say but guns were banned at the event though!
    heres what i know, shooter is david katz his gamertags were bread, or breadcrumbs something like that and ravenschamp, he was mad he lost earlier in the tourney, his twitch and twitter taken down real fast, he complained about EA rigging tourney games, he has posted things on one of his madden twitter that wasnt shut down by time i seen it, he said stuff like he would kill him self if he didnt have a girlfriend, and crazy stuff like that
    the event had no security and was a gun-free zone
    Thoughts with the victims 
    To comments here - if we are at the point in society where we need metal detectors at gaming events in a restaurant we have failed. 
    Law and order has failed - anarchy rules. 
    If you believe  the issue is that there wasn’t metal detectors you don’t understand the issue. 
    stocksy
    Thoughts with the victims*
    To comments here - if we are at the point in society where we need metal detectors at gaming events in a restaurant we have failed.*
    Law and order has failed - anarchy rules.*
    If you believe *the issue is that there wasn’t metal detectors you don’t understand the issue.*

    it was a gun free zone, so try and explain to me how banning guns from an event that banned guns prevented this tragedy?
    PeoplesChampGB
    Mcdonalds isnt a contest with money and prizes being handed out.

    My point is these shootings can happen anywhere anytime. No one complains about the lack of security until something happens. Cash prizes have nothing to do with the establishments these lunatics target. These killers target groups of unsuspecting people. The question is how do we prevent the next group of unsuspecting people from becoming victims wherever they might be.
    ratedmoney
    My point is these shootings can happen anywhere anytime. No one complains about the lack of security until something happens. Cash prizes have nothing to do with the establishments these lunatics target. These killers target groups of unsuspecting people. The question is how do we prevent the next group of unsuspecting people from becoming victims wherever they might be.

    my answer is read the second amendment that is a right given to every american to protect themselves from lunatics like the madden shooter
    as they say dont bring a knife to a gun fight
    redsox4evur
    How do get perfectly clean gameplay when you have teams playing all over countries like London, Korea, the US, Australia, Canada over a "wireless connection"? And that's just players on a certain team nevermind the two teams matched up.
    Please stay on topic and in the region that this topic has originated in. If you don't know eSports competitions online are region locked. Which means different countries wouldn't be playing each other.
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    stocksy
    Thoughts with the victims*
    To comments here - if we are at the point in society where we need metal detectors at gaming events in a restaurant we have failed.*
    Law and order has failed - anarchy rules.*
    If you believe *the issue is that there wasn’t metal detectors you don’t understand the issue.*
    We have failed over and over again. Hearing kids talk about how scared they are going to school. They have lockdown drills.
    This is not ****ing normal. We've accepted it. I think alot of people are just numb to this stuff now.
    Yea we failed. A while ago.
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    DamnYanks2
    We have failed over and over again. Hearing kids talk about how scared they are going to school. They have lockdown drills.
    This is not ****ing normal. We've accepted it. I think alot of people are just numb to this stuff now.
    Yea we failed. A while ago.
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    i'm 31 and we had lockdown drills in school too, and no one complained about being scared cause of lockdown drills lol, i just think the new generation is overly soft, or play into being soft cause it is a privilege of sorts, they get babied their whole lives if they keep playing that soft generation role they been playing all these years
    4xChamp
    my answer is read the second amendment that is a right given to every american to protect themselves from lunatics like the madden shooter
    as they say dont bring a knife to a gun fight

    I don't wanna get political, but not everyone cares to carry a gun or knows how to use one. I can't imagine how much worse it would be with a bunch of untrained gun carrying people shooting back in a crowd of people running. Also your gun is pointless when your that unsuspecting person that gets shot first.
    ratedmoney
    I don't wanna get political, but not everyone cares to carry a gun or knows how to use one. I can't imagine how much worse it would be with a bunch of untrained gun carrying people shooting back in a crowd of people running. Also your gun is pointless when your that unsuspecting person that gets shot first.

    there is nothing political about the constitution it applies to every american
    Unfortunate, but all too common occurrence these days.
    The problem lies in the often ridiculous, and unnecessary anger towards a video game; this is seen almost everywhere on Social Media and game forums.
    Even reading through some of the post here, you see so many individuals getting upset, and sometimes angry at the game.
    While we all want a perfect product to play, to complete every pass, or to win every game; in the end, its a video game. Who cares. If one of your issues in life is how a video game isn't playing how you'd like it to. Re-check your life.
    Thoughts to the victims families. Hopefully, one day we can get this situation figured out.
    Thoughts and prayers to the victims families. It is senseless.
    I live in Parkland and some of my neighbors lost their children on February 14th.
    You can’t even imagine.
    We have a government that is bought and paid for by an orgainzation with only a few million members. A few million are controlling gun laws for 10’s of millions of people in our country. Think about that. We have no real gun control. Stand your ground, the ability for an 18 year old to purchase AR type rifles. It is out of control.
    And don’t even get me started on the mental health issues this country is having now. Social media.....a huge part of the problem. To be driven to kill like this?
    The mass shootings are becoming too common. Something has to change or we will be back in the wild wild west in no time where everyone will arm themselves and fire at will.
    I don’t even know what to say anymore.
    Just another horrible tragedy. Young people being killed again for no reason.
    PeoplesChampGB
    Mcdonalds isnt a contest with money and prizes being handed out.

    From what it sounds like, money was hardly the issue. He lost, didn’t take it well, and thought the only way to avenge this was to get a gun and shoot people.
    If that’s the case, hope the dude had a painful exit.
    At any rate, let’s stop speculating. There’s a time and a place for it, and now’s not it. Prayers and positive thoughts to everyone affected.
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    4xChamp
    i'm 31 and we had lockdown drills in school too, and no one complained about being scared cause of lockdown drills lol, i just think the new generation is overly soft, or play into being soft cause it is a privilege of sorts, they get babied their whole lives if they keep playing that soft generation role they been playing all these years
    Yea I'm 28 . We had lockdown drills too. But the point is this happens too often now. It's just clockwork. Then it happens. Everyone reacts. Then they forget. Rinse. Repeat.
    There is a mental health problem here and parents seem to be doing a piss poor job raising their children. Morals are optional it seems.
    I mean you have to be a selfish coward to do this. Seems like alot of those running around though
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    4xChamp
    my answer is read the second amendment that is a right given to every american to protect themselves from lunatics like the madden shooter
    as they say dont bring a knife to a gun fight

    Like I said......we will be back in the wild wild west again.
    I support the second amendment. But we need far tougher gun control laws and we need to tackle the mental health illness that is enveloping our country.
    We have a multi pronged problem here.
    Going to stop here. I don’t want to get into a political conversation. Not the time or place.
    Just godspeed to the wounded and prayers to the families of the victims.
    stocksy
    Thoughts with the victims*
    To comments here - if we are at the point in society where we need metal detectors at gaming events in a restaurant we have failed.*
    Law and order has failed - anarchy rules.*
    If you believe *the issue is that there wasn’t metal detectors you don’t understand the issue.*

    Whats the issue? Guns? Go ahead, ban guns. See how well that works out for you. Im not talking even political. The logistics of it would never work.
    Armor and Sword
    Like I said......we will be back in the wild wild west again.
    I support the second amendment. But we need far tougher gun control laws and we need to tackle the mental health illness that is enveloping our country.
    We have a multi pronged problem here.

    GUYS.
    Stop with the political discussion or anything about the constitution.
    It has no place here and will turn this thread into something it doesn’t need to be.
    Please....
    Armor and Sword
    Like I said......we will be back in the wild wild west again.
    I support the second amendment. But we need far tougher gun control laws and we need to tackle the mental health illness that is enveloping our country.
    We have a multi pronged problem here.
    Going to stop here. I don’t want to get into a political conversation. Not the time or place.
    Just godspeed to the wounded and prayers to the families of the victims.
    100%
    This isn't normal behavior. You don't just get angry and snap out of nowhere. It builds up. There are so many warning signs. Some of these kids are like flashing signs. It's all there. How the hell the police among others miss all these signs is beyond me.
    But it continues to happen. Look at the Parkland kid. I mean holy hell. That kid was telling you he had problems. But nobody took it serious. Well somebody did. But the authorities just brushed it off.
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    With all those people around how would the shooter even have time to pull a gun out and aim a laser pointer for "accuracy'' without anyone seeing it or attempting to break it up? It's not like it was a sniper nobody saw. The shooter was standing around after losing earlier from what I've saw and read, was just described as a white male who lost earlier. They mentioned who it may have been but I forget his gamername now.
    Maybe now there will be mandatory background checks for all tournament entries, something will change.
    JayCutlersCig
    From what it sounds like, money was hardly the issue. He lost, didn’t take it well, and thought the only way to avenge this was to get a gun and shoot people.
    If that’s the case, hope the dude had a painful exit.
    At any rate, let’s stop speculating. There’s a time and a place for it, and now’s not it. Prayers and positive thoughts to everyone affected.
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    He got mad becaude he didnt win and get the money and notoriety from winning. Perhaps he had debts that needed to be paid. Im not the expert on these things and never watch them, but I know the cash payouts are high.
    redsox4evur
    How do get perfectly clean gameplay when you have teams playing all over countries like London, Korea, the US, Australia, Canada over a "wireless connection"? And that's just players on a certain team nevermind the two teams matched up.

    and people lag switch and boot people offline the first 2k all star tourney for pro-am had people getting ip booted from every playoff game it was really bad
    DamnYanks2
    Yea I'm 28 . We had lockdown drills too. But the point is this happens too often now. It's just clockwork. Then it happens. Everyone reacts. Then they forget. Rinse. Repeat.
    There is a mental health problem here and parents seem to be doing a piss poor job raising their children. Morals are optional it seems.
    I mean you have to be a selfish coward to do this. Seems like alot of those running around though
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    the shooter didnt seem like a troubled youth, seemd 25+ years old, but either way his parents could have failed him in the past, which lead to this destructive path the madden shooter strayed upon
    4xChamp
    i'm 31 and we had lockdown drills in school too, and no one complained about being scared cause of lockdown drills lol, i just think the new generation is overly soft, or play into being soft cause it is a privilege of sorts, they get babied their whole lives if they keep playing that soft generation role they been playing all these years

    Soft because they think lockdown drills are a sign of a societal failure? You nuts? I'm 34, and never had to deal with a lockdown drill. What are the odds it has something to do with the fact that not any idiot can go out and get a gun up here? Probably pretty good.
    I agree things are certainly different for youth today as far as things we'd consider as overprotective, but that abso-****ing-lutely does not extend into gun violence. This is not normal. This should never be normal. When this is normal or expected, things are really ****ed up.
    ProStylez
    With all those people around how would the shooter even have time to pull a gun out and aim a laser pointer for "accuracy'' without anyone seeing it or attempting to break it up? It's not like it was a sniper nobody saw. The shooter was standing around after losing earlier from what I've saw and read, was just described as a white male who lost earlier. They mentioned who it may have been but I forget his gamername now.
    Maybe now there will be mandatory background checks for all tournament entries, something will change.

    i posted details about the shooter, its david katz from my intel i got, and a nba 2k league player from the bucks was shot 3 times, his mom reported on twitter
    the laser pointer is fishy to me, but i need more evidence
    adayinthelife
    Soft because they think lockdown drills are a sign of a societal failure? You nuts? I'm 34, and never had to deal with a lockdown drill. What are the odds it has something to do with the fact that not any idiot can go out and get a gun up here? Probably pretty good.
    I agree things are certainly different for youth today as far as things we'd consider as overprotective, but that abso-****ing-lutely does not extend into gun violence. This is not normal. This should never be normal. When this is normal or expected, things are really ****ed up.

    Gun violence has declined for the past 25+ years. Its that everyone has global access through social media that makes everything so alarming nowadays.
    IcedCoffee1983
    Thoughts and best wishes to those hurt and their families. I hope no more lives are lost.
    4 dead unfortunately. 7 wounded. Reports I saw.
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    adayinthelife
    Soft because they think lockdown drills are a sign of a societal failure? You nuts? I'm 34, and never had to deal with a lockdown drill. What are the odds it has something to do with the fact that not any idiot can go out and get a gun up here? Probably pretty good.
    I agree things are certainly different for youth today as far as things we'd consider as overprotective, but that abso-****ing-lutely does not extend into gun violence. This is not normal. This should never be normal. When this is normal or expected, things are really ****ed up.

    no they are soft in general, dont try and make it look like i said they were soft because of drills, i was actually implying more they are not scared and play into the "fear" act cause they know their parents are emotional wrecks and will continue to baby them, just a trend i see in modern society, which i believe leads to the problem you are trying to identify
    PeoplesChampGB
    Gun violence has declined for the past 25+ years. Its that everyone has global access through social media that makes everything so alarming nowadays.
    There is some truth to this. Some hyperbole. But... this still happens say more then it should and the cowards getting access to these weapons just can't happen. Period.
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    kehlis
    There is and the talk about it stops now.

    i believe americans from all sorts of different political parties signed the constitution but oh well
    yes sir, no more talk of the constitution
    The two things that really piss me off in tragedies such as this are:
    1) Everyone using the tragedy to promote their political agenda (both sides)
    2) People, especially the news media, giving so much coverage and attention to the shooter. Why? Why glorify them?
    Focus on the victims. As hard as it may be, talk about them, who they were. That is who we want to remember.
    I read through almost all of the previous comments and wasn't sure that I would post in this. RIP to all the victims!
    A security guard (or two even) would not have prevented this, bc then we would most likely have several people's lives lost AND a security guards life lost.
    Metal detectors would not have prevented this, bc the idiot with the gun would most likely wait for his targets once they got outside.
    The only solution is ….. you know where I'm going to go with this, but it is political and we shouldn't let politics (or an idiot with a weapon) ruin our sports gaming site.
    Sad day!
    countryboy
    The two things that really piss me off in tragedies such as this are:
    1) Everyone using the tragedy to promote their political agenda
    2) People, especially the news media, giving so much coverage and attention to the shooter. Why? Why glorify them?
    Focus on the victims. As hard as it may be, talk about them, who they were. That is who we want to remember.
    .02

    I totally agree. In fact, Ive started to only watch news that refuse to reveal the shooters name. Maybe not in this situation, but mass shooters seek notoriety generally from what studies have shown.
    CaptainFear
    I read through almost all of the previous comments and wasn't sure that I would post in this. RIP to all the victims!
    A security guard (or two even) would not have prevented this, bc then we would most likely have several people's lives lost AND a security guards life lost.
    Metal detectors would not have prevented this, bc the idiot with the gun would most likely wait for his targets once they got outside.
    The only solution is ….. you know where I'm going to go with this, but it is political and we shouldn't let politics (or an idiot with a weapon) ruin our sports gaming site.
    Sad day!

    if i were head of security at that event i would have at least 10 armed guards on the perimeter
    there was probably kids at that event and for EA to have 0 security really upsets me, i just hope no children were harmed, and the adults that have been harmed i hope a speedy recovery so they can get back to doing what we all love to do, and thats game
    CaptainFear
    I read through almost all of the previous comments and wasn't sure that I would post in this. RIP to all the victims!
    A security guard (or two even) would not have prevented this, bc then we would most likely have several people's lives lost AND a security guards life lost.
    Metal detectors would not have prevented this, bc the idiot with the gun would most likely wait for his targets once they got outside.
    The only solution is ….. you know where I'm going to go with this, but it is political and we shouldn't let politics (or an idiot with a weapon) ruin our sports gaming site.
    Sad day!

    Id rather someone try to shoot me outside than in a confined space.
    4xChamp
    if i were head of security at that event i would have at least 10 armed guards on the perimeter

    Please don't
    Let's not take this thread and make it like the media circus on TV where everyone has an opinion on how they would've prevented it. It changes nothing. The shooting still took place and innocent lives were lost.
    Putting oneself in that situation and the actions they would've taken after the fact, serves no purpose.
    countryboy
    The two things that really piss me off in tragedies such as this are:
    1) Everyone using the tragedy to promote their political agenda (both sides)
    2) People, especially the news media, giving so much coverage and attention to the shooter. Why? Why glorify them?
    Focus on the victims. As hard as it may be, talk about them, who they were. That is who we want to remember.
    Absolutely. I remember when Time magazine did the cover on Columbine. Pretty sure it was the shooters. But it said "
    The monsters next door"
    I just thought to myself. You dense ****s! That's what they wanted. You gave them the fame they wanted.
    I do believe that if the media didn't sensationalize alot of this crap. We wouldn't see as many copycats. I firmly believe that.
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    4xChamp
    if i were head of security at that event i would have at least 10 armed guards on the perimeter

    10 armed guards at the event might do the trick, but instead of having 10+ armed guards at (which is probably impossible) every type of event imaginable across the country every day, its much better to do more, much more to prevent the general public from having access to guns, more specifically ones with laser sight etc.
    countryboy
    Please don't
    Let's not take this thread and make it like the media circus on TV where everyone has an opinion on how they would've prevented it. It changes nothing. The shooting still took place and innocent lives were lost.
    Putting oneself in that situation and the actions they would've taken after the fact, serves no purpose.

    i dunno how else to solve problems then, are you telling me to stop trying to end gun violence from mentally unstable head cases? i guess problem solving is dangerous to todays society wow
    countryboy
    Please don't
    Let's not take this thread and make it like the media circus on TV where everyone has an opinion on how they would've prevented it. It changes nothing. The shooting still took place and innocent lives were lost.
    Putting oneself in that situation and the actions they would've taken after the fact, serves no purpose.

    Agreed! Im done here!
    Yep here it is. Oh and you can get it framed and buy it on eBay. Anybody see a problem with this?
    We glorify cowards. Disgusting
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    CaptainFear
    10 armed guards at the event might do the trick, but instead of having 10+ armed guards at (which is probably impossible) every type of event imaginable across the country every day, its much better to do more, much more to prevent the general public from having access to guns, more specifically ones with laser sight etc.

    people can make laser sights home made, banning those wont change a thing, i think armed security and metal detectors with a funneled entry point where all people arriving at the venue must go through for security check, and that gunman wouldn't have many opportunities to do what he did
    4xChamp
    i dunno how else to solve problems then, are you telling me to stop trying to end gun violence from mentally unstable head cases? i guess problem solving is dangerous to todays society wow

    Just stop man.....just stop.
    4xChamp
    why dont you debate me?

    Because this is neither the time nor place.
    And you're pushing your agenda and acting as though you're the only one who really cares and is trying/wants to try to fix the issue, is ****ing sickening.
    4xChamp
    why dont you debate me? explain to me how your idea is better? seems like im the only one trying to end violence against gamers at public tournaments here, i hate to break it to ya but it was a gun free zone, if you think banning guns would prevent this, IT DIDN'T!! we need to find a realistic answer to solve this gun violence problem, not the usual oh tell criminals they cant buy guns, when any one with half a brain knows criminals will get there hands on guns either way, they are CRIMINALS

    Let it go dude, don't use the deaths of these folks to push a ridiculous agenda. Should we not have laws? Laws stop a lot more folks from committing crimes. No law will 100 percent stop everything, the goal is to make it less likely which is why we have laws. There is a reason why some folks run red lights but the majority of drivers do not. Laws help, its not a debate, those are the facts.
    I'm not a fan of assuming that the killer is mentally ill because you don't need to be mentally ill to take the life of someone. This is the first mass shooting that I've heard of, but definitely not the first shooting over a video game I've heard of. Not even Madden.
    Though the easy access to guns is concerning, more concerning is the fact that these are all young men who seem to lack the emotional intelligence to handle their anger. I can only assume as much as anyone the motive, but anybody that's played video games with other people know how easily losing can bring out the worst in them, whether it's breaking controllers, racist/personal tirades, fights, Swatting, and now shootings.
    At some point we as men are going to need to reckon with our emotions and the examples that we set for those coming behind us because there are a lot of angry young men that don't know how to relieve their anger without destroying people and things around them.
    It's a shame.
    Hassan Darkside
    I'm not a fan of assuming that the killer is mentally ill because you don't need to be mentally ill to take the life of someone. This is the first mass shooting that I've heard of, but definitely not the first shooting over a video game I've heard of. Not even Madden.
    Though the easy access to guns is concerning, more concerning is the fact that these are all young men who seem to lack the emotional intelligence to handle their anger. I can only assume as much as anyone the motive, but anybody that's played video games with other people know how easily losing can bring out the worst in them, whether it's breaking controllers, racist/personal tirades, fights, Swatting, and now shootings.
    At some point we as men are going to need to reckon with our emotions and the examples that we set for those coming behind us because there are a lot of angry young men that don't know how to relieve their anger without destroying people and things around them.
    It's a shame.

    Starts with school. The schools are favored toward females. Men need places to move around, take stuff apart and put it back together, work through some energy rather than staying at a desk all day. Then, god forbid, if the boy has energy he needs to be doped up stat! Get into scouts or sports. Not isolating yourself with cellphones, games and technology.
    GisherJohn24
    Not questioning anything that went down but I thought it was weird the video cuts out seconds before the first shot

    Please use the back button on your web browser to return to Info Wars.
    What was this guy doing at an event like this with a gun? Where was security?? My thoughts and prayers are with the families of those killed and wounded in this incident.
    Guys - Operation Sports never has been, is not, and will never be an effective venue for political discourse. Further, political discussion is strictly forbidden by the forum terms of service.
    Please by all means voice your political opinions elsewhere as you wish, but absolutely do so elsewhere.
    This foolishness is way too common. Still, I'll never get numb to it. Humanity in people wont allow me to. Im at a loss, but I'm all for anything that could possibly prevent another one of these. I dont care anymore. Condolences to everyone affected directly and indirectly.
    There is just so much to unpack after this event. But I think the most important thing is the safety of the survivors, their health and their ability to work through this tragic event. I'm sure there are many political opinions and all of that stuff and that's fine. But right now is not the time for politics and finger pointing.
    I think it's important for us all to remember that all of the situations are different and this one happened to be about a video game. That's what I think we as outsiders should focus on and remember. It's a video game, so the next time you're playing your buddy or family member or random stranger online and they cheese you or outplay you, it's okay. It's just a game, its a source of enjoyment. The person that perpetrated this crime forgot that and/or never learned it.
    CM Hooe
    Guys - Operation Sports never has been, is not, and will never be an effective venue for political discourse. Further, political discussion is strictly forbidden by the forum terms of service.
    Please by all means voice your political opinions elsewhere as you wish, but absolutely do so elsewhere.
    In a day in age where everything is turned political, It's commendable that this site keeps politics and political talk to a minimum. But It's probably best for all if the thread is just closed.
    Just my two cents
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    Just absolutely heartbreaking. Thoughts with those involved. Particularly saddened to hear one of the victims was 'SPOTMEPLZZZ'. I wasn't a big consumer of the Madden gaming world, but I knew of him. Just awful.
    underdog13
    In a day in age where everything is turned political, It's commendable that this site keeps politics and political talk to a minimum. But It's probably best for all if the thread is just closed.
    Just my two cents
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    Agree. I think the negatives will far outweigh any positives that this discussion might bring.
    I don't think its any surprise this turned into politics, I knew it would. hopefully everyone who wanted to give their condolences got to do so. there's really not much else to talk about. I'm going to just end this thread. a special thank you to those who gave kind words and followed the rules.
    Due to a technical glitch, even though this thread has been closed users are still able to post.
    We ask you to respect the decision to close this thread and no longer post in it.
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