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Madden NFL 21 Franchise Mode Updates Look Like Patch Notes - Face of the Franchise: Rise to Fame Details Revealed

EA has dropped another Madden NFL 21 Gridiron Notes today and it’s not going to please any franchise mode fans. Actually, as mentioned by Datninja619, they look more or less like patch notes.

The article mentions these are all day one franchise mode updates… So other updates could follow, but let’s be real. Franchise mode is obviously not high on the to do list, so keep your expectations low.

  • The new X-Factors make their way into Franchise. More details on X-Factors in Madden NFL 21 coming soon!
  • Franchise has an expanded Wild Card Playoff round to match the real-life NFL which now features 3 games for each conference instead of 2.
  • Updated all rookie contract amounts to be more authentic to the actual Draft rookie contracts for all 7 rounds
  • Retuned every position’s available Abilities to better consider in-game effectiveness of the ability and archetype authenticity. Also made the 2nd ability unlock for most positions 85 OVR (was 80 OVR in Madden NFL 20.)
  • Fixed multiple cases in logic of players considered for a Dev Trait upgrade at the end of the season not checking the correct stat types.
  • Updates to all team back-end depth chart philosophies so they match the team’s scheme.
  • Added position-specific Offensive Lineman archetype progression buckets for OT, OG, and C to capture variance in OVR formulas based on positional expectations. Previously, all OL were pulling from the same progression bucket.
  • Fixed issue where defensive playbooks and schemes for our fictional coaches would be misaligned (e.g. 3-4 playbook with a 4-3 scheme.)

I’ll let the comments of this news post tell you how franchise mode fans feel about it.

To try and take away attention to the minor updates coming to franchise mode in Madden NFL 21, EA posted plenty of details about their Face of the Franchise: Rise to Fame mode.

The next Gridiron Notes is scheduled to arrive on July 14, to discuss playbooks.

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  1. Wow that's disappointing! Don't get me wrong Face of Franchise does sound like it would provide a few hours of entertainment at the very least. But I primarily play Franchise mode and while I didn't expect much for it, I'm shocked there wasn't a "major addition".
    When I say major addition, I mean something along the lines of the scenario system or something small. However, it was minuscule...
    IDC how anyone feels about this
    if you can afford a PC, make the damn switch because we have done WAYYY more for CFM in 2 years then they have done in the last 10...
    Added 5th year options for CPU
    Fixed morale to effect overalls and encourage benching/player movement based off statistical performance
    Fixed sim stats
    Fixed off season logic
    Revamped progression system
    Revamped draft classes
    Any other requests?!?
    If you didn't get the hint before, surely you do now. Franchise mode is not a focus of theirs at all. They will continue to throw out a poor mode, cite that people don't play that mode(ignoring that its low quality and that is why), and will not put resources into such mode with a low volume of players.
    EA has been doing this for years. Remember back when they gave us numbers to show how little franchise was played one year, stating like 10% of people ever make it out of season 1? They completely ignored that the mode was poor in quality then and that's why nobody played it, they only put the numbers out to justify not putting time into really improving the mode.
    Nothing has changed. EA does not care about franchise players. You can either actually voice your opinions with your wallets finally, or continue to buy the game and then complain, but at that point EA has your money and doesn't care what you say.
    Has Madden ever removed the key new Franchise feature in literally the next version of the game? Not including when they built a new mode from the ground up (like M12 to M13).
    canes21
    If you didn't get the hint before, surely you do now. Franchise mode is not a focus of theirs at all. They will continue to throw out a poor mode, cite that people don't play that mode(ignoring that its low quality and that is why), and will not put resources into such mode with a low volume of players.
    EA has been doing this for years. Remember back when they gave us numbers to show how little franchise was played one year, stating like 10% of people ever make it out of season 1? They completely ignored that the mode was do poor in quality then and that's why nobody played it, they only put the numbers out to justify not putting time into really improving the mode.
    Nothing has changed. EA does not care about franchise players. You can either actually voice your opinions with your wallets finally, or continue to buy the game and then complain, but at that point EA has your money and doesn't care what you say.

    To be fair, that metric was true even before they started pulling resources. Most folks just don't go past year one, which makes sense since it's still an audience that is casual first and so you're only going to get so many people diving into 16+ games of a season rather than doing something else, starting over or ignoring franchise for play now and so on.
    It's not something unique to Madden either, it's just sports games overall.
    (This is not me saying they shouldn't care about franchise mode, just I wouldn't use that metric as the "gotcha" stat because it's too noisy. Instead, I would flip it and say the 5-10% who are doing multiple seasons matter more regardless because they're the people talking a lot about the game, carrying water for it and getting a lot of the cool ish out into the public space that highlights the game.)
    xSABOx
    IDC how anyone feels about this
    if you can afford a PC, make the damn switch because we have done WAYYY more for CFM in 2 years then they have done in the last 10...
    Added 5th year options for CPU
    Fixed morale to effect overalls and encourage benching/player movement based off statistical performance
    Fixed sim stats
    Fixed off season logic
    Revamped progression system
    Revamped draft classes
    Any other requests?!?

    I was just about to post this man.
    The progression/regression system is the best addition for me. I've never played Madden and actually felt like a low drafted player had even a chance to progress into a service player.
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    I'm not really surprised they basically did nothing except some minor tweaks. I only hope the gameplay fixes actually work out well. I play 98% in online 32 man CFM's. (CLASSIC franchise)
    When I 1st saw them call this "classic franchise," I knew that meant the mode is now an after thought.
    Face of the Franchise was boring once you made it to the NFL.
    MUT & KO are what they are. Not modes for us 'classic' madden franchise players but that is where the resources go bc MUT is what makes all the $$.
    My expectations for franchise were already on the floor, so I'm not disappointed.
    Gameplay is all I have hope left for so we will see how it plays.
    RobotRock
    Has Madden ever removed the key new Franchise feature in literally the next version of the game? Not including when they built a new mode from the ground up (like M12 to M13).

    Hmmmm, maybe? They've removed or nerfed gameplay features before, so I think they'll downplay something after a year if they think it didn't work or isn't worth more time.
    A_ZomBevo
    Lmao just remove the damn mode anyways if they ain't going to do **** with it.
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    This is probably the worst idea I've ever heard tbh. I don't understand the logic, so you want even less...
    Just awful. They’ve blatantly showed they could care less about franchise mode fans in any way. My expectations were right on par with what was delivered.
    All their work went into FOF which I’m sure many others here saw coming. Franchise mode isn’t on their radar anymore. These are patch notes, and lackluster ones at that.
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    What an insult man. I had no expectations, but this is unimaginable.
    If I did this small amount of work in A YEAR I would be fired so fast. How do these people have jobs? Like seriously? Or is everyone working on other stuff and they goof off in Franchise on their lunch breaks once a month? This is insanely insulting.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    What an insult man. I had no expectations, but this is unimaginable.
    If I did this small amount of work in A YEAR I would be fired so fast. How do these people have jobs? Like seriously? Or is everyone working on other stuff and they goof off in Franchise on their lunch breaks once a month? This is insanely insulting.

    I’m sure they count FOF as part of franchise, so to them, they have a lot to celebrate 🤷🏾*♂️
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    Face of the Franchise sounds cool but the meter has definitely shifted heavily towards "no purchase" for me. Just waiting on next-gen gameplay out of curiosity at this point.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    What an insult man. I had no expectations, but this is unimaginable.
    If I did this small amount of work in A YEAR I would be fired so fast. How do these people have jobs? Like seriously? Or is everyone working on other stuff and they goof off in Franchise on their lunch breaks once a month? This is insanely insulting.

    I wish I could have a bullet point list that insignificant as my annual performance review and still keep my job. I'm pretty sure I get more work done in a few weeks at my job than was done on franchise mode in the last 8+ months.
    RobotRock
    Has Madden ever removed the key new Franchise feature in literally the next version of the game? Not including when they built a new mode from the ground up (like M12 to M13).

    If my memory is correct I think the move to 360 saw them remove the player roles that they had just added in the Xbox/ps2 version. It seemed like a really cool concept too, especially how it factored in that first round picks are expected to be starting within three years
    I've played every Madden since the SNES days. Since then I've skipped Madden 11 and Madden 18. I am going to add Madden 21 to the list because I'm not putting up with this crap again.
    I wasn't going to buy Madden 20 due to a lack of franchise additions, but caved because people said the game was fun. I don't care how fun the gameplay is in 21 because I need a solid franchise mode to keep me invested. I didn't have high expectations for this blog, but I am still incredibly disappointed.
    xSABOx
    IDC how anyone feels about this
    if you can afford a PC, make the damn switch because we have done WAYYY more for CFM in 2 years then they have done in the last 10...
    Added 5th year options for CPU
    Fixed morale to effect overalls and encourage benching/player movement based off statistical performance
    Fixed sim stats
    Fixed off season logic
    Revamped progression system
    Revamped draft classes
    Any other requests?!?

    Sorry, when I looked into this, it seemed like it was a season only or play now thing. I could be so wrong about this.
    Does this work in a franchise mode?
    Can one of your college teams be brought into an NFL spot?
    Can I replace an NFL team with artwork for say the Wisconsin Badgers?
    It seemed involved trying to get things going that I stepped back and didn't try your mods. But they sound AWESOME.
    canes21
    I wish I could have a bullet point list that insignificant as my annual performance review and still keep my job. I'm pretty sure I get more work done in a few weeks at my job than was done on franchise mode in the last 8+ months.

    I've literally done more than that in the last 4 hours at my job. This is such a joke.
    And for anyone talking about FoF as the main focus... do you realize that in FoF in Madden 20 there are FBs and OL playing as your WRs in the college games? And that you only have 10 men on offense in those college games? That's right now. 11 months after the game was released. So they are adding resources into a mode that they showed us they don't care about last year by abandoning it while it was filled with game breaking bugs. It's a joke. I don't understand what voodoo EA did to get the license extended but John Madden would be seriously upset if he knew this was the crap that they were spending their time on... snoop dog? Seriously?
    What an absolute and utter joke. EA, and Madden have become a shell of their former self. They don't care. Period. They only care about their cash cow MUT. If they could make money off CFM that would be the main focus every year, but instead we are ignored and tossed aside like a prom night dumpster baby.
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    I wish the higher-ups at the NFL headquarters actually played Madden so they realized how much of a **** company EA is and would quit giving them licenses to make the game
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    canes21
    This is part 1 of the "plan of innovation" that won the NFL's heart over for an exclusive license once again. Let's not forget that, either.
    Doubtful, the next generation of consoles were probably used to paint that picture... Remains to be seen what that picture is.
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    xSABOx
    IDC how anyone feels about this
    if you can afford a PC, make the damn switch because we have done WAYYY more for CFM in 2 years then they have done in the last 10...
    Added 5th year options for CPU
    Fixed morale to effect overalls and encourage benching/player movement based off statistical performance
    Fixed sim stats
    Fixed off season logic
    Revamped progression system
    Revamped draft classes
    Any other requests?!?

    The ability to use these fixes in an online 32-team setting? That’s the only thing holding me back — single player just doesn’t interest me as much anymore.
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    Yea Madden is a skip for me lol they could have kept that classic franchise info to themselves. But good job keeping the back of the box new name theme going what a joke.
    I hate to say this, but you guys have to understand the NFL sees this as a huge win and a stepping stone into better business.
    Look at how successful NBA 2K is with their My Player mode, it’s essentially a pop culture staple at this point.
    I guarantee EA told the NFL they were striving for 2K type numbers with this mode, and that in the coming years they will find a way to expand and monetize it the way 2K does their mode.
    The difference with 2K and EA is, 2K still cares about its offline players with an exceptional franchise mode.
    EA on the other hand seems to have to focus on ONE thing at a time. It’s one thing or bust with them and i just don’t understand the logic in that.
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    Every year at this time, I'm normally one of those "oh this seems like a pretty cool addition, I wish they'd do more but 'they can only do so much' etc."
    I've been one of the more positive forces on this forum behind this game in the past. However, after the fumble of madden 20 and how it continually got worse after each patch (I'm a franchise (online and offline) only guy like most of you), I set the bar excruciatingly low for today's news. With that bar, EA Sports just played Limbo perfectly. Better yet, they are calling it 'Classic Franchise' as if they hadn't given enough hints that they don't care about the mode anymore.
    What an absolute Joke.
    I know that folks are super upset, but questioning the work ethic of the Franchise team is misplaced. There aren't two separate teams for Face of the Franchise and regular Franchise and clearly 95 percent of the resources were designated for FotF.
    If you want to go off on Mike Young, Seann Graddy or any other upper management person who we don't get to see who obviously made the decision to totally neglect regular Franchise mode, then that makes sense, but ripping the dev team in a situation like this is like being someone who kicks their dog after a hard day at work.
    jfsolo
    I know that folks are super upset, but questioning the work ethic of the Franchise team is misplaced. There aren't two separate teams for Face of the Franchise and regular Franchise and clearly 95 percent of the resources were designated for FotF.
    If you want to go off on Mike Young, Seann Graddy or any other upper management person who we don't get to see who obviously made the decision to totally neglect regular Franchise mode, then that makes sense, but ripping the dev team in a situation like this is like being someone who kicks their dog after a hard day at work.
    We've only seen classic and face of the franchise, I think it remains to be seen where resources actually went this cycle (and perhaps the last?) If the next gen Madden is a completely new game, and not just a graphics patch.
    Agree though, going after individuals is way out of line as is a lot of the silliness about the amount of effort any development work takes.
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    jfsolo
    I know that folks are super upset, but questioning the work ethic of the Franchise team is misplaced. There aren't two separate teams for Face of the Franchise and regular Franchise and clearly 95 percent of the resources were designated for FotF.
    If you want to go off on Mike Young, Seann Graddy or any other upper management person who we don't get to see who obviously made the decision to totally neglect regular Franchise mode, then that makes sense, but ripping the dev team in a situation like this is like being someone who kicks their dog after a hard day at work.

    I get you're trying to be positive, but there's no way the most pro-EA defender can say that what they did to FoF is worthy of 1 year of work. What they added could've been done in two weeks. It's insanely small. All of the college stuff was already in. 90% of the pro stuff was already in. All they did was copy and paste the college stuff to high school and add a 40 yd dash, snoop dog, and rich eisen. That's 1 month TOPS. Not 12.
    Nothing was done. Even if they were instructed not to work on Franchise, they would've been sitting on their hands for the last 11 months if this is all they did. And for that reason it is totally justified to question the work of this franchise team. If there is 1 full time employee working on FoF and Franchise combined this isn't enough work for a year. If there's any more than that then it's just a joke.
    jfsolo
    I know that folks are super upset, but questioning the work ethic of the Franchise team is misplaced. There aren't two separate teams for Face of the Franchise and regular Franchise and clearly 95 percent of the resources were designated for FotF.
    If you want to go off on Mike Young, Seann Graddy or any other upper management person who we don't get to see who obviously made the decision to totally neglect regular Franchise mode, then that makes sense, but ripping the dev team in a situation like this is like being someone who kicks their dog after a hard day at work.

    Lol stop it. Im questioning their football knowledge and their talent to create a decent game mode. They are not above criticism especially when it comes to this garbage. They didnt do anything put patch it and they could have done this with a madden 20 patch
    jfsolo
    I know that folks are super upset, but questioning the work ethic of the Franchise team is misplaced. There aren't two separate teams for Face of the Franchise and regular Franchise and clearly 95 percent of the resources were designated for FotF.
    If you want to go off on Mike Young, Seann Graddy or any other upper management person who we don't get to see who obviously made the decision to totally neglect regular Franchise mode, then that makes sense, but ripping the dev team in a situation like this is like being someone who kicks their dog after a hard day at work.

    Where’s haumiller in all this ?? “The Mastermind Behind NCAA Dynasty Mode”. Pathetic
    jfsolo
    If you want to go off on Mike Young, Seann Graddy or any other upper management person who we don't get to see who obviously made the decision to totally neglect regular Franchise mode, then that makes sense, but ripping the dev team in a situation like this is like being someone who kicks their dog after a hard day at work.

    ^^ THIS ^^
    EA just gave Ryan Moody a tank and some scud missiles to shoot back at them. Franchise Mode in 2021 is getting a patch. Wow!
    I know they are an independent and their game isn't as pretty or doesn't play as well; but I will purchase Axis Football 2020 on the PS4 and get behind them. As a franchise guy, what they have implemented in their franchise mode is impressive. They are actually adding a functional draft and war room to their game this year.
    Gosens6
    I hate to say this, but you guys have to understand the NFL sees this as a huge win and a stepping stone into better business.
    Look at how successful NBA 2K is with their My Player mode, it’s essentially a pop culture staple at this point.
    Hell even PGATOUR2K21 isnt even allowing you to play as anyone but your MYPLAYER. That's it. and it also has VC!
    I guarantee EA told the NFL they were striving for 2K type numbers with this mode, and that in the coming years they will find a way to expand and monetize it the way 2K does their mode.
    The difference with 2K and EA is, 2K still cares about its offline players with an exceptional franchise mode.
    EA on the other hand seems to have to focus on ONE thing at a time. It’s one thing or bust with them and i just don’t understand the logic in that.
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    This is spot on.
    The most played mode of the show STILL is Road to the Show.
    2k- Myplayer. Not even close. The VC monstrosity of that game is pop culture now. People drop extra money off jump to just get there player able to compete in the online park.
    Madden- I think sees this. And see's the Mahomes/Lamar/Top WR's
    And sees its turning into a superstar league. Why not have a mode dedicated to it like the old superstar modes back in the day.
    Its crazy.
    Airfaron23
    I wish the higher-ups at the NFL headquarters actually played Madden so they realized how much of a **** company EA is and would quit giving them licenses to make the game
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    As long as money continues to come in, they don't give a damn how good the game is. We're talking about men 50+ years old so you damn well know 99% don't play video games. Just show them one min clip and they're probably blown away how 'advanced' the game is lmao.
    jfsolo
    I know that folks are super upset, but questioning the work ethic of the Franchise team is misplaced. There aren't two separate teams for Face of the Franchise and regular Franchise and clearly 95 percent of the resources were designated for FotF.
    If you want to go off on Mike Young, Seann Graddy or any other upper management person who we don't get to see who obviously made the decision to totally neglect regular Franchise mode, then that makes sense, but ripping the dev team in a situation like this is like being someone who kicks their dog after a hard day at work.

    When will people start holding the dev team accountable instead of blaming everything on “the suits”?
    Ky3217
    When will people start holding the dev team accountable instead of blaming everything on “the suits”?

    Dev teams don’t dictate what goes into a product, if that’s how I’m interpreting your comment.
    I wonder if they will fix the bugs changes a draft prospects college to "N/A" when using custom draft class. Since they made ZERO changes, the least they can do is fix the bugs.
    Sparkles
    Dev teams don’t dictate what goes into a product, if that’s how I’m interpreting your comment.

    Yeah but they are supposed to be working on something... and this "team" clearly didn't this year.
    The hope is that they went "all out" on Next Gen since it said 'day one' It literally feels like current gen Madden 21 is a Madden 20 patch. So hopefully this is one of those maintenance years for current gen and next gen was main priority.
    I wasn't expecting much for current gen, but damn lol. Not even mention of scenario engine upgrades, even though I expect the Story lines to be based on Scenario Engine. Unless you are a diehard Madden fan, they haven't done a good job so far of selling you on not just waiting until Next Gen Madden 21 and just sticking with Madden 20
    Sparkles
    Dev teams don’t dictate what goes into a product, if that’s how I’m interpreting your comment.

    Ok so a franchise mode was allowed to be put into the game. Its up to the dev team to make it great right? They cant even make it decent
    Frankly I find the anger laughable at this point. Reading that other thread and a bunch of folks getting excited or imagining all sorts of things for "classic" franchise was amusing. I think some of us grounded in reality saw the death sentence when they labeled it "classic".
    I'm just happy M20 has had some of the better features and game play in quite some time. I may never buy another Madden going forward. My primary mode is officially dead and they put almost no resources into it. I've player other games that had skeleton crews working on them and they eventually go down a path I'm not aligned with and it leads to the death of the game/mode.
    Us "classic franchise" Madden players are relics. Sports games have passed us by. That isn't what generates revenue any more. What we enjoy isn't worth them investing time and effort into developing. Just like we have seen MMO's come and go. And other game genres come and go.
    jfsolo
    I know that folks are super upset, but questioning the work ethic of the Franchise team is misplaced. There aren't two separate teams for Face of the Franchise and regular Franchise and clearly 95 percent of the resources were designated for FotF.
    If you want to go off on Mike Young, Seann Graddy or any other upper management person who we don't get to see who obviously made the decision to totally neglect regular Franchise mode, then that makes sense, but ripping the dev team in a situation like this is like being someone who kicks their dog after a hard day at work.

    We can absolutely question the devs as they tell us on twitter that we are clowns and don't understand how hard it is to add these things to franchise when they were in the game on PS2. We have been asking for the same features for 15 years now. Features that were ripped out on the transition to 360. Calling us clowns and telling us what we are asking for is unrealistic they are taking responsibility for the state of the game. I do agree it is upper management making these decisions but some of these devs damn sure defend said decisions.
    illwill10
    The hope is that they went "all out" on Next Gen since it said 'day one' It literally feels like current gen Madden 21 is a Madden 20 patch. So hopefully this is one of those maintenance years for current gen and next gen was main priority.
    I wasn't expecting much for current gen, but damn lol. Not even mention of scenario engine upgrades, even though I expect the Story lines to be based on Scenario Engine. Unless you are a diehard Madden fan, they haven't done a good job so far of selling you on not just waiting until Next Gen Madden 21 and just sticking with Madden 20

    If this is the case, and I definitely am not expecting that it is given EA's track record, then they would do well to be upfront about it. None of us would be this upset if they came right out and said that current consoles didn't get the attention, but next gen did.
    They're not saying that at all and I don't think anyone should expect next gen madden to have any different franchise features than this crap we're seeing today.
    I don't post often or at all really. I just lurk for news.
    I'm a 40 year old. Played the first Madden on Sega. Every football season I've bought a football game. Most times it was one of only 2 video game purchases for the year. (NBA Game and a NFL Game)
    I can't believe this will likely be the first year I won't buy a football game.
    I've never in my gaming life seen a company bypass or completely ignore the franchise mode like this.
    I give some games a break since it was pre-franchise mode (Madden before 99) or the first entry in a game (All-Pro 2k).
    Like they said earlier it is basically a patch update.
    I actually take that back. I've seen them have more in patch updates.
    They should be embarrassed by what they have done with franchise mode.
    If I do get this, I won't be paying full price. I won't be buying it new. I won't buy it first day.
    With the chance there might not be a season, I won't feel the pressure to get an updated fix. I can just use roster update and play 20 if I feel the urge. I'd rather play a game that is at least taking steps forward like a Call of Duty or maybe NBA 2k with their deep franchise.
    Madden's franchise experience is quite literally the worst in all sports gaming. I have no faith in this face of the franchise mode either. Last year's was a joke also. You pretty much had a story up until the combine and it turned into a franchise mode with one player and no control over the team. Which made the franchise mode even more terrible.
    I wish there was something I could do or someone I could talk to. It is so frustrating.
    Every year I feel more and more they don't care about my dollar.
    m1ke_nyc
    We can absolutely question the devs as they tell us on twitter that we are clowns and don't understand how hard it is to add these things to franchise when they were in the game on PS2. We have been asking for the same features for 15 years now. Features that were ripped out on the transition to 360. Calling us clowns and telling us what we are asking for is unrealistic they are taking responsibility for the state of the game. I do agree it is upper management making these decisions but some of these devs damn sure defend said decisions.

    I think when threads like this have people saying that they've done more in the last 4 hours of their work day, that pretty much validates your specific example of gamers not understanding how much effort it takes to do what they do.
    In fact I'd say that's a pretty consistent theme.
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    PhillyPhanatic14
    Yeah but they are supposed to be working on something... and this "team" clearly didn't this year.

    Right, but those are agenda items from product owners and game designers. Dev teams don’t look at a mode on their own and say what goes into it. They merely take the list of priorities that product owners and business advisors want out of the product. That agenda list goes to game designers and UX designers, and then down to developers. That’s how a digital product flow commonly works, obviously other companies do it differently. But I can definitely say dev teams don’t dictate what goes into a game
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Yeah but they are supposed to be working on something... and this "team" clearly didn't this year.

    m1ke_nyc
    We can absolutely question the devs as they tell us on twitter that we are clowns and don't understand how hard it is to add these things to franchise when they were in the game on PS2. We have been asking for the same features for 15 years now. Features that were ripped out on the transition to 360. Calling us clowns and telling us what we are asking for is unrealistic they are taking responsibility for the state of the game. I do agree it is upper management making these decisions but some of these devs damn sure defend said decisions.

    As someone who has shared all of his ideas/findings with dev team members in DMs, i can assure u they have TRIED to implement them in to patches but get shutdown bc its not a priority by the production team...
    It's a suits issue, always has been, when it comes to depth of franchise mode
    PhillyPhanatic14
    If this is the case, and I definitely am not expecting that it is given EA's track record, then they would do well to be upfront about it. None of us would be this upset if they came right out and said that current consoles didn't get the attention, but next gen did.
    They're not saying that at all and I don't think anyone should expect next gen madden to have any different franchise features than this crap we're seeing today.
    Why wouldn't you expect next gen to be different? All of the marketing has been specifically pulled away for next gen, and we've even seen the core franchise experience be relabeled as classic franchise. I think the groundwork is pretty clear that the next gen game is a completely different title, rather than a graphics update.
    We'll find out in a couple months I'm guessing.
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    Hshaw810
    Ok so a franchise mode was allowed to be put into the game. Its up to the dev team to make it great right? They cant even make it decent

    This is, generally speaking, an oversimplification of things I'd say -- especially if the franchise mode and FOF teams are the same people more or less.
    mestevo
    I think when threads like this have people saying that they've done more in the last 4 hours of their work day, that pretty much validates your specific example of gamers not understanding how much effort it takes to do what they do.
    In fact I'd say that's a pretty consistent theme.
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    LOL dude. If you think what they did is worthy of any more time than that then you're the one that doesn't understand how little effort they put into this game.
    Good news is that is that the news release today saves me money again this year. Bad news is that there is still not a sim football game on the market with any depth. And won’t be for a long time.
    Well I'm not surprised by this. I thought they would atleast add 1 bigger thing in this yr atleast. Still looking forward to the beta & hope it rolls out soon.
    EA is laughing at us. This is why they called it CLASSIC FRANCHISE MODE.
    EA Upper management "We don't care about franchise mode anymore but still have to put in the feature in the game to pretend that we care. So we put in CLASSIC FRANCHISE MODE! Gives you that nostalgia feeling of playing Franchise mode when first intrudocued in MADDEN 99! Heck, they're might be more franchise features back in Madden 99 than in Madden 21, but that's great!
    Because you'll spend time on ULTIMATE TEAM! Thanks for buying our game and we'll see you next for Madden 22 with Classic Franchise Mode 2.0, WE REMOVED RELOCATION & PRO BOWL! But don't worry they'll return for Madden 25 as brand new features!"
    mestevo
    Why wouldn't you expect next gen to be different? All of the marketing has been specifically pulled away for next gen, and we've even seen the core franchise experience be relabeled as classic franchise. I think the groundwork is pretty clear that the next gen game is a completely different title, rather than a graphics update.
    We'll find out in a couple months I'm guessing.
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    I think you would be setting yourself up for disappointment expecting the next-gen game to be vastly different from this one. If it's different, it will be with graphics and some gameplay elements -- it won't be modes.
    mestevo
    Why wouldn't you expect next gen to be different? All of the marketing has been specifically pulled away for next gen, and we've even seen the core franchise experience be relabeled as classic franchise. I think the groundwork is pretty clear that the next gen game is a completely different title, rather than a graphics update.
    We'll find out in a couple months I'm guessing.
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    I wouldn't expect it to be different as our last 2 examples of Madden transitioning generations was a bare bones game on the 360, and a graphical face lift on the PS4/XONE.
    Gosens6
    I hate to say this, but you guys have to understand the NFL sees this as a huge win and a stepping stone into better business.
    Look at how successful NBA 2K is with their My Player mode, it’s essentially a pop culture staple at this point.
    I guarantee EA told the NFL they were striving for 2K type numbers with this mode, and that in the coming years they will find a way to expand and monetize it the way 2K does their mode.
    The difference with 2K and EA is, 2K still cares about its offline players with an exceptional franchise mode.
    EA on the other hand seems to have to focus on ONE thing at a time. It’s one thing or bust with them and i just don’t understand the logic in that.
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    If this is the case...why wouldn't they just let the company that has monetized the MyPlayer mode AND developed a roubst franchise mode make a damn NFL game. :brickwall
    mestevo
    Why wouldn't you expect next gen to be different? All of the marketing has been specifically pulled away for next gen, and we've even seen the core franchise experience be relabeled as classic franchise. I think the groundwork is pretty clear that the next gen game is a completely different title, rather than a graphics update.
    We'll find out in a couple months I'm guessing.
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    I'm not expecting it because they haven't said it... If they wanted to sell the game, then they would say "Look out for our blog about Next-Gen Franchise coming in September" at the bottom of that article. That's how you set expectations and sell a product. You don't insult your customers and hide away something that would cause them to cheer you on and buy your product. None of us would be frustrated if next-gen franchise was getting a major facelift.
    mestevo
    I think when threads like this have people saying that they've done more in the last 4 hours of their work day, that pretty much validates your specific example of gamers not understanding how much effort it takes to do what they do.
    In fact I'd say that's a pretty consistent theme.
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    Some of us actually do work on projects that are similar in scope though. All I'll say is I would love to spend a week at Tiburon and see what production is like. I can't imagine the effort level is something id be proud of watching.
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    EliteSmarts
    EA is laughing at us. This is why they called it CLASSIC FRANCHISE MODE.
    EA Upper management "We don't care about franchise mode anymore but still have to put in the feature in the game to pretend that we care. So we put in CLASSIC FRANCHISE MODE! Gives you that nostalgia feeling of playing Franchise mode when first intrudocued in MADDEN 99! Heck, they're might be more franchise features back in Madden 99 than in Madden 21, but that's great!
    Because you'll spend time on ULTIMATE TEAM! Thanks for buying our game and we'll see you next for Madden 22 with Classic Franchise Mode 2.0, WE REMOVED RELOCATION & PRO BOWL! But don't worry they'll return for Madden 25 as brand new features!"

    Thing is...it ain't even Classic Franchise Mode. Their franchise modes used to be classic. Ain't nothing classic about what this is. It's like comparing a 2020 Moped to a 68' Mustang with mag wheels!
    ijumpedthegun
    Speak with your wallets, ladies and gents. Don't buy their game and don't spend any money on MUT.

    The crowd complaining about franchise (classic franchise now) have no impact on their sales and generally don't venture into MUT. There is a reason why franchise has become a throw away mode.
    illwill10
    The hope is that they went "all out" on Next Gen since it said 'day one' It literally feels like current gen Madden 21 is a Madden 20 patch. So hopefully this is one of those maintenance years for current gen and next gen was main priority.
    I wasn't expecting much for current gen, but damn lol. Not even mention of scenario engine upgrades, even though I expect the Story lines to be based on Scenario Engine. Unless you are a diehard Madden fan, they haven't done a good job so far of selling you on not just waiting until Next Gen Madden 21 and just sticking with Madden 20

    Was this the case when we transitioned from madden on ps3 to madden on ps4? I just don't see them going all out on a game that people can upgrade for free.
    TarHeelPhenom
    Thing is...it ain't even Classic Franchise Mode. Their franchise modes used to be classic. Ain't nothing classic about what this is. It's like comparing a 2020 Moped to a 68' Mustang with mag wheels!

    CFM - “Crappy Franchise Mode”
    I really want to know how EA is justifying charging people $60 for a patch
    Rocky
    If this is the case...why wouldn't they just let the company that has monetized the MyPlayer mode AND developed a roubst franchise mode make a damn NFL game. :brickwall

    Money talks, and unfortunately EA has the big pockets.
    Also we don’t know if 2K has the resources, time or development team to make a true sim NFL game from the ground up.
    They’re making insane money from their NBA game and might be content with whatever arcade NFL product they’re going to put out.
    Of course this is all speculation, but...
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    Rocky
    If this is the case...why wouldn't they just let the company that has monetized the MyPlayer mode AND developed a roubst franchise mode make a damn NFL game. :brickwall

    Long term relationships, it's difficult to break those.
    I'm disappointed, not surprised, but they really are not going into a new generation with a bang and they aren't leaving old generation with a bang, either.
    Not impressible at all.
    I expected nothing and they gave me less?
    I’ll keep playing Madden 20 on PC, The revival mod helps but theres only so much they can do with EAs bad code. Crazy how much they added to franchise in like 6 months while EA adds nothing in a year.
    The worst part is Franchise mode is the only mode that resembles the real NfL, EA locked up the exclusive license and ignore the most realistic mode.
    I get that EA wants to follow the 2k monetization route but 2k never removed or ignored modes to push MyTeam. They even give us MyGM and MyLeague modes.
    We all need to support the indie football games releasing this year.
    jfsolo
    I know that folks are super upset, but questioning the work ethic of the Franchise team is misplaced. There aren't two separate teams for Face of the Franchise and regular Franchise and clearly 95 percent of the resources were designated for FotF.
    If you want to go off on Mike Young, Seann Graddy or any other upper management person who we don't get to see who obviously made the decision to totally neglect regular Franchise mode, then that makes sense, but ripping the dev team in a situation like this is like being someone who kicks their dog after a hard day at work.

    I don't think anyone is saying the actual devs are lazy or are the reason so little was done to the game. I think it is understood the decision makers and team leads are where the blame belongs. I think all of us wish our bosses demanded so little of us yearly as well. I've said it numerous times before, but I imagine EA has tons of talent throughout their ranks, but that talent is only doing what it is told.
    If anyone is specifically saying the devs themselves are lazy, shame on them. I have no I'll feelings towards the devs, only towards those who make the decisions.
    Devaster
    The crowd complaining about franchise (classic franchise now) have no impact on their sales and generally don't venture into MUT. There is a reason why franchise has become a throw away mode.

    Your absolutely right. We have become an afterthought. Im confident in saying most people at EA involved with this game have no real passion for the NFL. Look at NBA 2K. Look at the Show. Their biggest modes are their superstar modes. 2K monetizes the heck out of their game. But you can tell the people in those buildings love basketball and baseball. Down to the minor details. It's a pride thing. Look at the stream last week with Clint and Kraelo. ZERO PASSION. Im not a big fan of Ronnie 2K but the guy loves basketball and the culture that surrounds it. That dev team loves basketball
    Easily one of the most disappointing feelings about franchise mode I have EVER felt about Madden.
    This Madden will be a pass for me. It really isn't even about "speaking with my wallet." It's a simple matter of not wanting to spend another year with the current franchise mode essentially as is. Scouting, the draft, etc., nothing will change. I won't enjoy it, I'll put my money towards a game that will be more enjoyable. Maybe next year.
    m1ke_nyc
    Your absolutely right. We have become an afterthought. Im confident in saying most people at EA involved with this game have no real passion for the NFL. Look at NBA 2K. Look at the Show. Their biggest modes are their superstar modes. 2K monetizes the heck out of their game. But you can tell the people in those buildings love basketball and baseball. Down to the minor details. It's a pride thing. Look at the stream last week with Clint and Kraelo. ZERO PASSION. Im not a big fan of Ronnie 2K but the guy loves basketball and the culture that surrounds it. That dev team loves basketball

    I feel like the suits at 2k give free reign to the devs. They are like hey you guys know basketball we don’t make a good basketball game.
    EA is like hey we don’t know football but we got statistics.
    canes21
    I don't think anyone is saying the actual devs are lazy or are the reason so little was done to the game. I think it is understood the decision makers and team leads are where the blame belongs. I think all of us wish our bosses demanded so little of us yearly as well. I've said it numerous times before, but I imagine EA has tons of talent throughout their ranks, but that talent is only doing what it is told.
    If anyone is specifically saying the devs themselves are lazy, shame on them. I have no I'll feelings towards the devs, only towards those who make the decisions.
    Ive never said the devs were lazy. But I am 100% saying it now. Not only do you add zero to franchise mode, but they half assed the face of franchise additions. They couldn't even come up with new logos for the high school teams. They just pulled the relocation logos that have been in the game forever. New cutscene, a combine, and new scenarios. That took a year? Id be laughed at and escorted out of my office
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    mestevo
    Doubtful, the next generation of consoles were probably used to paint that picture... Remains to be seen what that picture is.
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    This isn't a direct shot at you, but it's related.
    I'm really not looking forward to the people that defend EA or bash people that complain about the mode as passionately as some of us do using the "it's a new generation, give them time to figure things out" excuse for the next 3 years.
    XtremeDunkz
    Some of us actually do work on projects that are similar in scope though. All I'll say is I would love to spend a week at Tiburon and see what production is like. I can't imagine the effort level is something id be proud of watching.
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    Let's try to steer clear of the "effort level" sort of garbage, thanks!
    XtremeDunkz
    Ive never said the devs were lazy. But I am 100% saying it now. Not only do you add zero to franchise mode, but they half assed the face of franchise additions. They couldn't even come up with new logos for the high school teams. They just pulled the relocation logos that have been in the game forever. New cutscene, a combine, and new scenarios. That took a year? Id be laughed at and escorted out of my office
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    Exactly. I've always looked at the suits as the issue, but there's no way more than one person worked on FoF & Franchise for more than a week or two max this year. And if they did.... that's just inexcusable.
    ChaseB
    Let's try to steer clear of the "effort level" sort of garbage, thanks!
    How exactly is this garbage? I work on high level software development. I think im qualified to recognize what is happening here.
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    SolidSquid
    I feel like the suits at 2k give free reign to the devs. They are like hey you guys know basketball we don’t make a good basketball game.
    EA is like hey we don’t know football but we got statistics.

    Eh, I don't think that's totally correct. There's plenty of stuff 2K does that's clearly very much driven by business concepts first and foremost. And big 2K fans will be the first to point them out and say a lot of bad things the franchise does.
    Generally, those who play the game they love the most tend to think it's rosier for another game elsewhere they're not quite as familiar with, but a lot of the same problems exist throughout all these games in various forms.
    Maddens social media manager is so embarrassed about franchise even they didn't post about the M21 franchise "patch"
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    Airfaron23
    Maddens social media manager is so embarrassed about franchise even they didn't post about the M21 franchise "patch"
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    Not only that but Clint hasn't posted. Does Michael Young even work on Madden anymore? He apparently lives in St Louis and hasn't tweeted anything about Madden 21 at all.
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    XtremeDunkz
    How exactly is this garbage? I work on high level software development. I think im qualified to recognize what is happening here.
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    Regardless of where you work, it doesn't give you some novel insight into this -- I worked in game dev but would never say some other game developer I don't know is lazy. You have zero insight into the project, you don't work there and never have, and calling a bunch of people you don't know low effort is not going to provide anything helpful to the conversation. So instead, it's better to not go down that path because it's a distraction more than anything else.
    ChaseB
    Eh, I don't think that's totally correct. There's plenty of stuff 2K does that's clearly very much driven by business concepts first and foremost. And big 2K fans will be the first to point them out and say a lot of bad things the franchise does.
    Generally, those who play the game they love the most tend to think it's rosier for another game elsewhere they're not quite as familiar with, but a lot of the same problems exist throughout all these games in various forms.

    Bro come one, I’m not talking about gripes or nitpicking.
    Fire up 2k and see how many game modes you have to play, then fire up madden and answer the same questions.
    Then go into those modes and tell me how many OPTIONS there are for 2k then tell me the same for madden.
    30 team control in 2k, press one button. In madden, create 32 different head coaches after the mode is started.
    I’m talking about quantifiable stuff here not opinions.
    badluck22
    This isn't a direct shot at you, but it's related.
    I'm really not looking forward to the people that defend EA or bash people that complain about the mode as passionately as some of us do using the "it's a new generation, give them time to figure things out" excuse for the next 3 years.

    The new generation excuses don't really work anymore, anyways. These consoles are just PCs at this point. They run the same architecture systems and whatnot. It's not like it was with the 360 or PS3 where Microsoft and Sony stubbornly made their systems different from one another and PCs. Now making a game for each console is generally the same as making it for the PC with few smaller differences.
    If Madden was being rebuilt from the ground up like 2k, then there would be a valid excuse as to why the mode would be bare the first year. That's likely not the case, however.
    canes21
    I don't think anyone is saying the actual devs are lazy or are the reason so little was done to the game. I think it is understood the decision makers and team leads are where the blame belongs. I think all of us wish our bosses demanded so little of us yearly as well. I've said it numerous times before, but I imagine EA has tons of talent throughout their ranks, but that talent is only doing what it is told.
    If anyone is specifically saying the devs themselves are lazy, shame on them. I have no I'll feelings towards the devs, only towards those who make the decisions.

    There are people saying it, and honestly you are too when you say, "I think all of us wish our bosses demanded so little of us yearly as well." as if people here actually know how much hard work went into Face of the Franchise.
    I won't touch FotF but that doesn't mean I will act like it was a trivial effort to put that stuff in. It is what it is though, most folks are going to take a scorched earth approach when expressing their anger about this middle finger to regular Franchise mode, that's just how it's going to be.
    SolidSquid
    Bro come one, I’m not talking about gripes or nitpicking.
    Fire up 2k and see how many game modes you have to play, then fire up madden and answer the same questions.
    Then go into those modes and tell me how many OPTIONS there are for 2k then tell me the same for madden.
    30 team control in 2k, press one button. In madden, create 32 different head coaches after the mode is started.
    I’m talking about quantifiable stuff here not opinions.

    I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. 2K is a bigger and better game, it doesn't mean they don't do blatantly business-first things still. I think it would be naive to say 2K has things all figured out or something like that more or less when 2K has been functionally showing scary signs for multiple years now that almost any 2K fan would point out (especially relating to franchise mode).
    I'm not surprised nor am I that annoyed by the news. I won't be buying M21 this year (as someone who has bought Madden every year since 2004). They should just outsource "classic franchise" to sabo who wants to advance the mode forward.
    XtremeDunkz
    Not only that but Clint hasn't posted. Does Michael Young even work on Madden anymore? He apparently lives in St Louis and hasn't tweeted anything about Madden 21 at all.
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    Clint won't either.
    He said last week he will not be discussing game play on Social Media, only through EA streams and gave a few other references to send them to.
    I don't know if that is a personal or company wide mandate, but it sounded more professional vs his self imposed disappearing act for a few months.
    canes21
    The new generation excuses don't really work anymore, anyways. These consoles are just PCs at this point. They run the same architecture systems and whatnot. It's not like it was with the 360 or PS3 where Microsoft and Sony stubbornly made their systems different from one another and PCs. Now making a game for each console is generally the same as making it for the PC with few smaller differences.
    If Madden was being rebuilt from the ground up like 2k, then there would be a valid excuse as to why the mode would be bare the first year. That's likely not the case, however.

    It’s just business. EA doesn’t care about the NFL or football it’s simply a license to print money. Why would they spend resources for a ground up rebuild, when they can put out the same trash code and engine that they already have to profit? This isn’t some indie company in it for love, it’s a business with shareholders to answer to. Our only hope is that the game misses its sales targets which I don’t see ever happening bc it’s the only NFL game
    jfsolo
    There are people saying it, and honestly you are too when you say, "I think all of us wish our bosses demanded so little of us yearly as well." as if people here actually know how much hard work went into Face of the Franchise.
    I won't touch FotF but that doesn't mean I will act like it was a trivial effort to put that stuff in. It is what it is though, most folks are going to take a scorched earth approach when expressing their anger about this middle finger to regular Franchise mode, that's just how it's going to be.

    I get it that there are people that think this amount of content is worthy of 1 year of work, but I think you guys need to understand that some people don't see it that way at all. Just like with everything else we can agree to disagree.
    None of us know the culture in that building or what happens each day and the best we can do is look at the product they've created and judge it based on our experience with workplace expectations. To some people this is a justifiable amount of work. To me, it's a joke. If one of my employees came to me at the end of the year with this and said that's all that they accomplished, copy and pasting from M20 and other modes, they would be gone immediately.
    So much for their "Re-commitment to Franchise". I guess it boiled down to one lackluster year of "Scenarios" and that's it.
    This is a slap in the face to all Franchise players. The gall of saying "adding new X-Factors" to Franchise is a feature, is ridiculous. :brickwall
    ChaseB
    I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. 2K is a bigger and better game, it doesn't mean they don't do blatantly business-first things still. I think it would be naive to say 2K has things all figured out or something like that more or less when 2K has been functionally showing scary signs for multiple years now that almost any 2K fan would point out (especially relating to franchise mode).

    Of course they do business first things it’s a business! What I was saying was that when 2k MyTeam and micro transactions were business first(still are) we still had a GM mode and they even ADDED MyLeague.
    It’s fine to want to monetize and make money but it doesn’t mean your other modes have to suffer.
    Nickda55
    So much for their "Re-commitment to Franchise". I guess it boiled down to one lackluster year of "Scenarios" and that's it.
    This is a slap in the face to all Franchise players. The gall of saying "adding new X-Factors" to Franchise is a feature, is ridiculous. :brickwall

    Wait scenarios are gone?
    jfsolo
    There are people saying it, and honestly you are too when you say, "I think all of us wish our bosses demanded so little of us yearly as well." as if people here actually know how much hard work went into Face of the Franchise.
    I won't touch FotF but that doesn't mean I will act like it was a trivial effort to put that stuff in. It is what it is though, most folks are going to take a scorched earth approach when expressing their anger about this middle finger to regular Franchise mode, that's just how it's going to be.

    In no way am I calling the devs lazy. You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I lay no blame on the devs doing the groundwork. They are doing what they are told and what they are being directed to do. The decision makers is where I lay the blame. The decision makers have made it obvious they don't want to make any significant additions or changes to franchise mode and do not want to pump a ton of resources into the mode. That's where my issues lie. I don't know how to paint my opinion any clearer. I don't think for a second that the devs working on franchise mode are lazy or spend half of their day goofing off. They only do what they are told to do and that's that. I don't doubt for a second that EA has the talent to make a robust franchise mode if they were given the resources and greenlight to do so
    SolidSquid
    Wait scenarios are gone?

    There is no mention of them in the advertisement. Doesn't mean they are gone but I suspect if they are still there the improvements are very minimal or most likely non existent.
    roadman
    Clint won't either.
    He said last week he will not be discussing game play on Social Media, only through EA streams and gave a few other references to send them to.
    I don't know if that is a personal or company wide mandate, but it sounded more professional vs his self imposed disappearing act for a few months.

    Company wide. They are tightening up on how devs communicate with the public.
    SolidSquid
    Wait scenarios are gone?

    They didn't address them at all so some are assuming that means they're gone. That's how bad this blog was. It barely said anything so we have no clue what the mode is going to look like.
    SolidSquid
    Wait scenarios are gone?

    I could be wrong but it seems Scenarios were shifted to Face of the Franchise based on what was outlined for how your player navigates their NFL career.
    We are in a different era with a different generation who values different things I just don't think this generation is interested in playing 25 year franchises.
    I think what EA decided to do this year with the "patch" would have been okay had their franchise mode had already been deep with features and working properly for the most part. I'm not using this comparison to say who's better or worse, but looking at how deep 2k's Franchise mode is on the basketball game the question can be asked, how much more can you really add? So if they fine tuned what they already have to work properly it wouldn't come off as bad.
    This ain't the case with Madden tho.
    aholbert32
    Company wide. They are tightening up on how devs communicate with the public.

    *** backwards considering we are in a time where all other companies are more accessible than ever. Right in line with expectations though.
    TarHeelPhenom
    We are in a different era with a different generation who values different things I just don't think this generation is interested in playing 25 year franchises.
    I think what EA decided to do this year with the "patch" would have been okay had their franchise mode had already been deep with features and working properly for the most part. I'm not using this comparison to say who's better or worse, but looking at how deep 2k's Franchise mode is on the basketball game the question can be asked, how much more can you really add? So if they fine tuned what they already have to work properly it wouldn't come off as bad.
    This ain't the case with Madden tho.

    Exactly. 2k literally has everything you could possibly ask for in their franchise mode. All people want from them is to tune and fix things. That is a good product. I still remember them blatantly calling EA out in their franchise blog a couple years ago.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    I get it that there are people that think this amount of content is worthy of 1 year of work, but I think you guys need to understand that some people don't see it that way at all. Just like with everything else we can agree to disagree.
    None of us know the culture in that building or what happens each day and the best we can do is look at the product they've created and judge it based on our experience with workplace expectations. To some people this is a justifiable amount of work. To me, it's a joke. If one of my employees came to me at the end of the year with this and said that's all that they accomplished, copy and pasting from M20 and other modes, they would be gone immediately.

    You could just end it right there with the bold. Just judge the game, getting caught up in the people or like crapping on the developers is going to get you where exactly? The game will still not be what you expect either way, so instead put your focus into discussing the game and how it can improve or why it's bad because at least then it's something tangible to discuss and argue about.
    This nebulous concept of "effort" or whatever is a fool's errand. Like, even if we say "okay these devs are lazy" then the solution just becomes "let's fire these people and get new people" and that's the end. It's not even an interesting convo.
    XtremeDunkz
    *** backwards considering we are in a time where all other companies are more accessible than ever. Right in line with expectations though.

    This is where we can agree 100%. We have shifted to a point in time where companies all over this industry and others are more transparent than ever, but EA decides to step back into secrecy all while putting out blogs that only add more confusion to everything.
    XtremeDunkz
    Exactly. 2k literally has everything you could possibly ask for in their franchise mode. All people want from them is to tune and fix things. That is a good product. I still remember them blatantly calling EA out in their franchise blog a couple years ago.

    Uh, no, it doesn't. (And, again, this isn't me saying 2K's franchise mode isn't better because it is, but if you take 30 seconds and go look at the people discussing 2K franchise mode, it would be easy to see there's a ton to fix and improve.)
    ChaseB
    Uh, no, it doesn't. (And, again, this isn't me saying 2K's franchise mode isn't better because it is, but if you take 30 seconds and go look at the people discussing 2K franchise mode, it would be easy to see there's a ton to fix and improve.)

    To be fair, while not quite true, it feels that way in comparison to Madden
    ChaseB
    Uh, no, it doesn't.

    Don't start dude. I could list the 100+ things 2k has in their franchise that Madden does not. But I won't derail this thread. But I guess if you have a red name you can make pointless comments around here.
    I can't remember the last year where Madden wasn't a day 1 purchase, especially once I started with online leagues and writing my thread... but between the switch in console generation and now this lacklustre details release for franchise it's now a "wait and see" on buying the game (if at all).
    Also, did they just give away pretty much all the plot twists for Face of Franchise or should we expect more surprises??
    ChaseB
    Uh, no, it doesn't. (And, again, this isn't me saying 2K's franchise mode isn't better because it is, but if you take 30 seconds and go look at the people discussing 2K franchise mode, it would be easy to see there's a ton to fix and improve.)

    I just think fix and improve is completely different than add and put in.
    If these were the madden 21 franchise updates we got and the mode already had as many options as 2k, I don’t think anyone at all would be mad.
    Mattanite
    I can't remember the last year where Madden wasn't a day 1 purchase, especially once I started with online leagues and writing my thread... but between the switch in console generation and now this lacklustre details release for franchise it's now a "wait and see" on buying the game (if at all).
    Also, did they just give away pretty much all the plot twists for Face of Franchise or should we expect more surprises??

    Very weird to see them put spoilers in a feature blog.
    XtremeDunkz
    Exactly. 2k literally has everything you could possibly ask for in their franchise mode. All people want from them is to tune and fix things. That is a good product. I still remember them blatantly calling EA out in their franchise blog a couple years ago.

    Except 95% of the time spent in the mode (in-game) is totally catered to online players with its badges, over-emphasis on stick skills vs ratings, and "greens" (with virtually no cross-communication in-game between the game and what happened in the menu screens). OK, fine...you can sim games. Oh wait...that only gets you a season or two until legitimately game-breaking bugs kick in that require significant workarounds.
    2k relies on the community to fix the mode with sliders and rosters so they can focus on MyPlayer. Does it do things better than Madden? 100% yes! But in my opinion, 2k does NOT deserve an "out" for the same lack of concern for its franchise player base that EA is getting hammered on (and deservedly so).
    JoshC1977
    Except 95% of the time spent in the mode (in-game) is totally catered to online players with its badges, over-emphasis on stick skills vs ratings, and "greens" (with virtually no cross-communication in-game between the game and what happened in the menu screens). OK, fine...you can sim games. Oh wait...that only gets you a season or two until legitimately game-breaking bugs kick in that require significant workarounds.
    2k relies on the community to fix the mode with sliders and rosters so they can focus on MyPlayer. Does it do things better than Madden? 100% yes! But in my opinion, 2k does NOT deserve an "out" for the same lack of concern for its franchise player base that EA is getting hammered on (and deservedly so).

    difference is 2k gives you the tools to do anything you want. You can switch your shooting to real player percentage which goes strictly on ratings. You can edit any badges on any player in the league quickly with the seamless edit player system.
    SolidSquid
    I just think fix and improve is completely different than add and put in.
    If these were the madden 21 franchise updates we got and the mode already had as many options as 2k, I don’t think anyone at all would be mad.

    Sure, I can get down with that general line of thinking. I just think semantics are probably important here because sometimes there's this quick jump to acting like Madden is uniquely screwed up, when almost every sports game has the same structural flaws with varying levels of architectural imbalance.
    To put it another way, if we can see preview articles now go to gameplay/graphics/career mode/card modes for almost all sports games first and foremost, all have collectively pushed franchise mode back in the priority line. It's just certain games had a better starting point so it doesn't become as obvious how little is going into franchise modes now. I hope that makes sense.
    I am grateful for Madden 20. I enjoy the game enough to manually update it and play it as is. I am considering purchasing the PC versions because of its depth, but hearing this news now allows me to cancel my pre-order.
    The real problem I have is this has turned into an MO. Ea incrementally builds and builds and builds and builds and then lays a giant egg. They never keep their momentum. Its disappointing and I know that EA doesn’t care but looking at everything else is it quality? The answer is clearly no.
    I’m so sick and tired of the developers and people who review the game saying that no one plays franchise which is why they dont pay any attention to it anymore. This just broke and this thread is already on page 18. This is a complete embarrassment to the Madden franchise. I am so disgusted with backing this franchise for so many years only to be disappointed every single year. I was debating about buying MLB The Show to play until Madden came out but it will be the only game I’m playing now. I am done with this franchise until we get some people in there who care.
    baconbits11
    Not even a coaches carousel? Unbelievable...

    I mean, they didn’t even add something as small as adding teams on a player’s stat page
    ChaseB
    Sure, I can get down with that general line of thinking. I just think semantics are probably important here because sometimes there's this quick jump to acting like Madden is uniquely screwed up, when almost every sports game has the same structural flaws with varying levels of architectural imbalance.
    To put it another way, if we can see preview articles now go to gameplay/graphics/career mode/card modes for almost all sports games first and foremost, all have collectively pushed franchise mode back in the priority line. It's just certain games had a better starting point so it doesn't become as obvious how little is going into franchise modes now. I hope that makes sense.

    I love this point and could not agree more. Every game is somewhat screwed up its just EA’s franchise mode was more screwed up in the beginning so its more obvious how little time they’re putting into it now.
    XtremeDunkz
    Don't start dude. I could list the 100+ things 2k has in their franchise that Madden does not. But I won't derail this thread. But I guess if you have a red name you can make pointless comments around here.

    Mate, there's no need to try and turn this somehow combative or make this some class issue about the color of my name. You said something, I mentioned why I think it would be a bit hyperbolic to say what you did, and it's not even a hot take by me to say what I did. The color of my name doesn't really have much to do with things here because I'm not threatening you or something -- nor am I even a mod -- and I'm having the same conversation with multiple other people in this thread who are discussing with me the nuances now of the argument.
    cmellor780
    I am grateful for Madden 20. I enjoy the game enough to manually update it and play it as is. I am considering purchasing the PC versions because of its depth, but hearing this news now allows me to cancel my pre-order.
    The real problem I have is this has turned into an MO. Ea incrementally builds and builds and builds and builds and then lays a giant egg. They never keep their momentum. Its disappointing and I know that EA doesn’t care but looking at everything else is it quality? The answer is clearly no.

    Just stick with Madden 20 I think, but definitely get it for PC. You'll be surprised how much is there and will still be added to keep it up to date at least in terms of rosters etc. On top of that, there's a good PC OS Discord for Madden to join as well to stay on top of things.
    JoshC1977
    Except 95% of the time spent in the mode (in-game) is totally catered to online players with its badges, over-emphasis on stick skills vs ratings, and "greens" (with virtually no cross-communication in-game between the game and what happened in the menu screens). OK, fine...you can sim games. Oh wait...that only gets you a season or two until legitimately game-breaking bugs kick in that require significant workarounds.
    2k relies on the community to fix the mode with sliders and rosters so they can focus on MyPlayer. Does it do things better than Madden? 100% yes! But in my opinion, 2k does NOT deserve an "out" for the same lack of concern for its franchise player base that EA is getting hammered on (and deservedly so).

    Your missing the point. Does 2Ks franchise mode have some things it needs to fix ? absolutely. But 2K has a fully featured franchise mode. Madden has a bare bones mode. We are not talking about tuning, we are talking about feature sets. 2Ks franchise mode is like a house that needs some paint redone, cracks sealed etc. Maddens franchise mode is like someone built the frame of a house and left it sitting there for a decade.
    SolidSquid
    Wait scenarios are gone?

    I would assume they're still present - But from the article, they didn't mention of adding any new ones. So assume that they'll be the same recycled ones from 20.
    m1ke_nyc
    Your missing the point. Does 2Ks franchise mode have some things it needs to fix ? absolutely. But 2K has a fully featured franchise mode. Madden has a bare bones mode. We are not talking about tuning, we are talking about feature sets. 2Ks franchise mode is like a house that needs some paint redone, cracks sealed etc. Maddens franchise mode is like someone built the frame of a house and left it sitting there for a decade.

    2K's house becomes rather wobbly and scary to live in after only a year or two. Thankfully, peeps here and elsewhere tune the crap out of it and we come up with workarounds to make it function pretty well. I'd say it's more like a house that looks really pretty on the walk through but fails major inspections.
    But Madden's franchise mode house is one where you probably now just bulldoze it because you're never going to get the rats out of the basement.
    Here is to hoping they patch something in for franchise mode..Lmao...Yeah right other year of waiting. I think there pushing away frm current Gen how its looking..🤷🏾*♂️
    This is embarrassing. For all of us. For all of EA. There is a passionate franchise mode audience and the product has been abandoned. There are so many relatively easy add ins that would make franchise better. Most of these exist in other EA products. No immersion. No stat keeping. No player movement. No coaching movement. All of the stuff that makes the NFL a big deal doesn’t exist. If this were a small independent company we’d still be disappointed, but the fact that this game used to be the biggest and best, cmon man.
    I have never skipped a Madden (or NCAA) before and I thought I never would. But as a 100% pure offline franchise player, what is pushing me to buy this? New rosters? I can do those or download them for Madden 20. New features? There are none. LITERALLY NONE. Tuning? It’s rarely handled correctly and is usually buggy. So there is NOT. ONE. REASON. to purchase Madden 21 for me, or anyone in the same boat.
    Unbelievable EA. You have managed to take a staple of my (and others) video gaming life and flush it away. You should all be embarrassed.
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    XtremeDunkz
    difference is 2k gives you the tools to do anything you want. You can switch your shooting to real player percentage which goes strictly on ratings. You can edit any badges on any player in the league quickly with the seamless edit player system.

    The quick edit system is one of the most slept on features in sports games.
    I remember reserving Madden early yearly just to be able to pick it up at Midnight from the Game store.... even hunting for the game to get it a couple days early... Sadly... I'm sitting this year out..... i
    aholbert32
    Company wide. They are tightening up on how devs communicate with the public.

    This is the biggest problem I have with EA. They announce stuff like this weak franchise mode and then go hide. They are not doing anything to be accountable to their consumer base. I understand the edict is probably coming from the top and I blame whoever it is that won't communicate with us. If you are proud of this work, then come out and talk to us and tell us why. Obviously, someone is not proud of this and can't take constructive criticism. I guess the only way as a consumer that I have to respond is with my wallet, as in not opening it to buy the game.
    So for the entire year what they did is what they'd normally put in small update. I believe it is clear the priorities. If I get it at all, I'm not touching face of the franchise. I suggest you single-player franchise guys don't either (on the grounds that their justification for it is data from users using it).
    It's their game, and they have the right to direct it as they see fit. However, you as a consumer don't have to agree, nor do you have to purchase or play certain modes. It's up to you. Do as you will.
    smh122
    Madden finally got NBA 2k'd...It was only a matter of time
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    At least NBA 2k had a great myleague mode in the game before they got 2k'd.
    ChaseB
    You could just end it right there with the bold. Just judge the game, getting caught up in the people or like crapping on the developers is going to get you where exactly? The game will still not be what you expect either way, so instead put your focus into discussing the game and how it can improve or why it's bad because at least then it's something tangible to discuss and argue about.
    This nebulous concept of "effort" or whatever is a fool's errand. Like, even if we say "okay these devs are lazy" then the solution just becomes "let's fire these people and get new people" and that's the end. It's not even an interesting convo.

    roadman
    Bingo, we know by now that people come and go throughout the years and not much changes.

    I guess putting it on the effort or ability of the dev team allows for this hope that if they get replaced then things will be better. If blame is just placed on those at the executive level, then sales and revenue is all that matters and if those continue to go up then all discussion is futile.
    ijumpedthegun
    At least NBA 2k had a great myleague mode in the game before they got 2k'd.
    They must be speaking on a NBA 2K10 issue or something idk. Im not surprised at all and will keep playing 20. I do have a question for @ChaseB
    How does complaining and or debating about the lack of features and improvements on a game, help get those added ingame. Devs dont control it and the suits arent online reading websites or doing interviews. Im all for a MA meeting for those that cant break the cycle of paying EA regardless, just lost on who is listening to these more practical and appropriate rants you prefer? Just curious as i smh and read this garbage juice released today.
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    xSABOx
    IDC how anyone feels about this
    if you can afford a PC, make the damn switch because we have done WAYYY more for CFM in 2 years then they have done in the last 10...
    Added 5th year options for CPU
    Fixed morale to effect overalls and encourage benching/player movement based off statistical performance
    Fixed sim stats
    Fixed off season logic
    Revamped progression system
    Revamped draft classes
    Any other requests?!?

    Can confirm that Saba is correct, that the Madden 20 modding community is better at improving Madden's Franchise Mode than EA Tiburon is.
    Here are some of my thoughts.
    Classic Franchise Mode News...well as everyone has said its a joke. A complete slap in the face of Madden Gamers who have been playing Madden since the 90's.
    Face of Franchise - i dont play it and after reading the blog, I dont think I need to, they literally gave the whole plot summary. Even the plot twists "As if that weren’t enough, you’re thrown out of your comfort zone and into disarray when Coach O’Brien delivers you an ultimatum – either switch positions to Running Back or Wide Receiver, or pack your bags and take your chances in the NFL Draft!"
    Also, Im not one to pick on small details, but it says you "all while attempting to build your draft stock through two challenging seasons of college football AND win an College Football Playoff Championship (or two) along the way". uh, dont you need to be in college for at least 3 years (maybe in the game you were red-shirted)
    It is clear that EA wants to make Face of the franchise mode similar to NBA 2k player mode..but as i have said before Football doesnt work that way. You can spend moeny to make youre player better to be better on an offline mode. Football cant be a 7 on 7 (all user players) online like basketball can. Who wants to play as a center. Or actually how would you play. Just offense and then have anotehr user take over and play defense while you watch...Basktetball players play both sides of the ball. In football, it just doesnt work.
    GoJags904
    They must be speaking on a NBA 2K10 issue or something idk. Im not surprised at all and will keep playing 20. I do have a question for @ChaseB
    How does complaining and or debating about the lack of features and improvements on a game, help get those added ingame. Devs dont control it and the suits arent online reading websites or doing interviews. Im all for a MA meeting for those that cant break the cycle of paying EA regardless, just lost on who is listening to these more practical and appropriate rants you prefer? Just curious as i smh and read this garbage juice released today.
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    I would like to know this as well. I tweeted a reply earlier, but I know that isn't going to do a whole lot. It would be nice to somehow channel all of our disappointment to someone/somewhere that will actually listen.
    I'll say this though: if by some miracle the reason Madden 21 franchise mode is patch notes is because they allocated a bunch of resources to next gen (including franchise), I'll buy Madden again some day. If not, I'm quite happy with Madden 20 on PC with mods, and over time, these guys will get better and better at it (I'm assuming if what is presented in Madden 21 that the modding community likely won't move to Madden 21 as quickly as they moved to Madden 20).
    I can't help but feel worse because of the news that they extended the contract with NFL and then to put this **** out like 3 weeks later it just removes all hope from football fans.
    If there was that glimmer that next year 2K might step in I could stomach it more. To all those making 2k references, while 2k doesn't do a huge upgrade every year their MyLeague is 100x more immersive and option heavy as Madden's franchise.
    This is going to be the first time since 2005 that I haven't bought Madden and the first time since 93 that I haven't bought a football game. Sad times, but I will enjoy the money I saved because I buy it for Franchise but always end up blowing a hundred or two in MUT.
    I guess it’s time to quit fooling myself and recognize that there is not a future in Madden that has me in it. EA obviously isn’t concerned with keeping me as a customer. Hopefully another developer can find a way to capitalize on the underserved market that is franchise/simulation video game football.
    I am 40+ ... I had my fair share of wins and losses in my life, just like anybody else. But as a pure offline franchise guy, I have never been as middle-fingered - by anybody, anyhow - as I was today. And the worst part is that I can't stick a middle-finger back at these clowns because my $60 not spent on this garbage of a game won't hurt them much.
    I won't pretend to know what the company culture is like there, but it's clear that something in the way the company/development team is set up just does not work as efficiently as it should. I can't say I understand how complicated making a video game is, but it's impossible not to look at what other competitors are able to accomplish and see that whatever is happening at EA almost always leads to them dropping the ball.
    Whether it's leadership, management, developers, etc., something just isn't working and it's been that way for a very long time now.
    I've known for a while that I'm not the target demographic for sports games. As an offline-only player, I've been facing this reality for some time that the modes I enjoy to play aren't a priority for the developers and will only receive the bare minimum of resources and attention.
    With my gaming time limited and overall desire to play sports games in particular down, due to the repetitive nature of the games and lack of year-to-year upgrades in franchise/dynasty modes, this could very well be a good time to sit back and assess what my sports gaming future looks like.
    shiftythomas
    I would like to know this as well. I tweeted a reply earlier, but I know that isn't going to do a whole lot. It would be nice to somehow channel all of our disappointment to someone/somewhere that will actually listen.

    This might be a shortsighted approach, but
    Don't buy the game. At all. Not used. Not discounted. Not someone who says "I haven't bought game new since Madden 17". Whatever the last one you have, is the last one you'll play, until tings get better.
    Every year we see the same thing, yet people still buy the game. Don't do it! If enough people actually followed through with their initial thoughts maybe something will happen. Not "well everyone else won't buy the game, but I'll still buy it because it's only one game/$60 if I buy it." I'm talking not buying anything that has to do with Madden 21 (and likely Madden 22!).
    I have no idea if this would work, but neither does anyone else because we haven't tried it.
    What a joke. I set my expectations extremely low and I'm still somehow disappointed. This is Madden 18 all over again but at least we got a draft board feature in that game.
    I hate the direction they're taking Madden. Get rid of Face of the Franchise and Superstar KO.
    fnz21
    This might be a shortsighted approach, but
    Don't buy the game. At all. Not used. Not discounted. Not someone who says "I haven't bought game new since Madden 17". Whatever the last one you have, is the last one you'll play, until tings get better.
    Every year we see the same thing, yet people still buy the game. Don't do it! If enough people actually followed through with their initial thoughts maybe something will happen. Not "well everyone else won't buy the game, but I'll still buy it because it's only one game/$60 if I buy it." I'm talking not buying anything that has to do with Madden 21 (and likely Madden 22!).
    I have no idea if this would work, but neither does anyone else because we haven't tried it.

    I just want to say buying the game second hand gives EA zero revenue unless you’re gonna but MuT packs and stuff. I’d seriously recommend everyone holding off until you can get the game used from gamespot or amazon. You’ll still get to play and EA will see none of your money.
    I think these glorified patch notes are nothing more than a company trying to tell us what mode we should care about. They want to push as many people towards face of franchise as they can to justify the money and resources spent on it.
    I feel like this company has gone out of its way to insult it's hardcore audience simply because we have accepted a mediocre mode for so long. It's simply ridiculous for anyone to buy Madden 21. I've criticized the company in past for doing a glorified roster update but that is quite literally what Madden 21 is.
    Do not buy this game.
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    SolidSquid
    I just want to say buying the game second hand gives EA zero revenue unless you’re gonna but MuT packs and stuff. I’d seriously recommend everyone holding off until you can get the game used from gamespot or amazon. You’ll still get to play and EA will see none of your money.

    Revenue is only one factor, hours played and touches is a metric they use to show success now in a digital age.
    Shocking, absolutely shocking. I honestly expected the bare minimum with a 'Scenario Engine 2.0' blurb and a picture of a new scenario and that's about it and they couldn't even muster that much for 21. It really does read like Patch Notes that they'd release a month after the game was already out.
    This well and truly hurts. EA has made it abundantly clear they're just about done allocating ANY resources to Franchise mode. At this point, if it would be easier for them to just remove the mode rather than port it over year after year, I think they would seriously consider it. It won't surprise me at all if the mode is just absent three or four years from now. I honestly expect an annual Madden news cycle to come and go with zero mention of Franchise mode and a reveal that they'll be a new "Season Mode" where you can pick a team and play their entire schedule for that year (and only that year) and try to make it to the Super Bowl. No stat tracking outside of QB, RB, WR, Sack and Interception counts, no Offseason, no Draft, no Team Building, just a string of Play Now games.
    The NFL exclusive license is just beyond frustrating at this point. Let Madden corner the market on MUT, MyPlayer, Superstar KO and any other mode they want to monetize and ship out for the 'me, me, me a superstar!' crowd while they make the gameplay more arcade like and fast. Just let A N Y O N E else put out a realistic, simulation style NFL licensed football game with a Franchise mode.
    Sphinx
    I think these glorified patch notes are nothing more than a company trying to tell us what mode we should care about. They want to push as many people towards face of franchise as they can to justify the money and resources spent on it.
    I feel like this company has gone out of its way to insult it's hardcore audience simply because we have accepted a mediocre mode for so long. It's simply ridiculous for anyone to buy Madden 21. I've criticized the company in past for doing a glorified roster update but that is quite literally what Madden 21 is.
    Do not buy this game.
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    Why do you think the franchise sim folks are the hardcore audience? We definitely aren't the majority. We are a fairly small minority at this point. I wouldn't even consider us hardcore. We are classic/retro/etc.
    I knew it was trouble when I clicked the link and kept scrolling scrolling scrolling to get past the face of the franchise information. Let me say it again: I DONT CARE ABOUT THAT STORY MODE NONSENSE!!!
    All I care about is offline franchise. That’s it. I’m older than most of you. I have a career a wife and a kid and I am a busy person. I have no problems walking away from this game.
    I had a strong suspicion that this years game would be weak. Two platforms and corona. Either one would have killed it but to have both of them in the same year is an awful combination.
    I saw a tweet by Pasta that rebranding it as “classic” was a marketing ploy to show they just are not doing anymore with it... now and in the future. If that’s the case then so be it but my Madden days are numbered.
    One would think that if anything the 'Rona would have helped contribute to a better game. Because you know the whole being stuck at home with nothing else better to do thing. But if EA has shown us anything, if there is a will or a way to disappoint the community, they will find it.
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    bucky60
    Sorry, when I looked into this, it seemed like it was a season only or play now thing. I could be so wrong about this.
    Does this work in a franchise mode?
    Can one of your college teams be brought into an NFL spot?
    Can I replace an NFL team with artwork for say the Wisconsin Badgers?
    It seemed involved trying to get things going that I stepped back and didn't try your mods. But they sound AWESOME.

    Yes and yes. At least the uniforms and field graphics can easily be done. Not sure about the audio and swipe graphics.
    drewst18
    I can't help but feel worse because of the news that they extended the contract with NFL and then to put this **** out like 3 weeks later it just removes all hope from football fans.
    If there was that glimmer that next year 2K might step in I could stomach it more. To all those making 2k references, while 2k doesn't do a huge upgrade every year their MyLeague is 100x more immersive and option heavy as Madden's franchise.
    This is going to be the first time since 2005 that I haven't bought Madden and the first time since 93 that I haven't bought a football game. Sad times, but I will enjoy the money I saved because I buy it for Franchise but always end up blowing a hundred or two in MUT.

    Thank you. Spending money on MUT is why Franchise is no longer worth the effort to improve. I'm glad you won't be doing it this year.
    Yeah...THAT Guy
    I won't pretend to know what the company culture is like there, but it's clear that something in the way the company/development team is set up just does not work as efficiently as it should. I can't say I understand how complicated making a video game is, but it's impossible not to look at what other competitors are able to accomplish and see that whatever is happening at EA almost always leads to them dropping the ball.
    Whether it's leadership, management, developers, etc., something just isn't working and it's been that way for a very long time now.

    Rex Dickson said he resigned because his bosses refused to let him put the attention to Franchise and football simulation that he wanted to.
    SolidSquid
    I just want to say buying the game second hand gives EA zero revenue unless you’re gonna but MuT packs and stuff. I’d seriously recommend everyone holding off until you can get the game used from gamespot or amazon. You’ll still get to play and EA will see none of your money.

    Yeah but they still track you playing it - and what you play. And it all goes into their data.
    I expected at the very least Scenario Engine 2.0. I'm sure the storylines in FoF are probably based in scenarios and MAYBE some of those storylines might transfer over to 'Classic' Franchise. But S.E seems like ANOTHER feature that Madden implements one year and doesnt expand because it is no longer marketable.
    Is there at least a different UI/layout lol? Or are we go in going to see same lockeroom sequences and jumbled mess of a Twitter feed.
    Elite Team Killer
    Rex Dickson said he resigned because his bosses refused to let him put the attention to Franchise and football simulation that he wanted to.

    And when Ian left he basically said similar things. The problems at EA have been clear for a while now. Those who make the real decisions do not care about the offline gamer. Wasn't Rex the one who said one of the suits wanted the game to be tuned so that his nephew or son, I forget which, could throw bombs to Gronk all day and win games by doing it? If you've followed Madden for 10+ years then that story would be no surprise to you. EA has talented people working for it, but the decision makers are who drive the direction of the series. Blame them.

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