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Madden NFL 21

UPDATE: Madden NFL 21 Details Set to Arrive Tomorrow, June 16 at 10:00 AM ET

While we know the Madden NFL 21 cover athlete is Lamar Jackson, and we’ve seen 7 seconds of Madden NFL 21 footage, from the Microsoft’s Inside Xbox event, we really haven’t heard much else about the game.

Based off of previous years, we typically see the official cover athlete announcement, some features revealed, improvements in the game and a trailer or two, in late April to early May.

Obviously, the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic has pushed a lot of things further out, including real sports. So it’s no real surprise things have been quiet on the Madden NFL 21 front.

Fortunately, we get to see and hear a lot more about Madden NFL 21 on June 1. Odds are we’ll see the official Madden NFL 21 cover reveal, release date information, some features revealed and a trailer.

Let’s hope it’s worth the wait. Anything in particular you are hoping to see and/or hear about?

UPDATE: (6-15) Madden NFL 21 goodies tomorrow!

UPDATE: (6-12) EA has set the official date for Madden NFL 21 details for June 16.

UPDATE: (5-31) Madden NFL 21 details have been postponed. Here is the official response from EA.

In light of the recent tragedy in Minnesota and events around the country since then, we will be postponing Monday’s Madden NFL 21 announcement until a later date. EA SPORTS will share more on this soon.

UPDATE #2: (5-31) And here’s the official Twitter response.

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  1. Hmmm...we'll see. Player movement, physics & weight needs a massive overhaul. I doubt that's coming any time soon. Hard to believe Back Breaker still has the best around. So many things....
    None the less, I'm listening
    Well it begins again my friends. I wasn't going to get Madden 20 but they did enough to warrant a purchase from me. I'm hoping that with the Madden Bowl fiasco that's beating the drum a little louder for the people at the top to get out of the way and let Tiburon continue to take the steps forward.
    I can dream anyway.
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    Reed1417
    Well it begins again my friends. I wasn't going to get Madden 20 but they did enough to warrant a purchase from me. I'm hoping that with the Madden Bowl fiasco that's beating the drum a little louder for the people at the top to get out of the way and let Tiburon continue to take the steps forward.
    I can dream anyway.
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    I heard EA was just going to cancel the madden bowl because it turned out to be a showcase of how bad their product was. I guess they thought "we could improve the game, or cancel the tournament." One of those options was definitely cheaper.
    Fix your game so punters aren’t playing QB, fix the challenge system, add a new realistic injury system, improve player movement and animations, and invest in Franchise and I’ll listen.
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    I will try to stay positive and give Madden a chance to show off what it plans to do before writing it off. At the end of day, I'm a NFL fan but haven't had that NFL game I wanted to buy. Madden might be the only "sim" NFL for a long while. I always favored NCAA over Madden. I took a break after NCAA stopped. But after playing M16 and M17 for a little bit, I wanted to buy M18 because I felt the gameplay was solid enough where if they touched Franchise I could enjoy myself. But when that EA Play for Madden 18 came out and Rex said that Franchise wasn't getting touched because of focus on Frostbite and Longshot, that took M18 off the table for me. Then M19 was pretty much same thing just year 2 of Frostbite and Longshot. Then Madden 20 having a Scenario engine that wasn't complete at launch that promised features.
    I want to want to buy Madden 21, but need to see a true step in right direction. First thing I would want to see is them go away from the Frostbite engine. Still don't like that EA mandated their publishers to use Frostbite. Then they need to really work on gameplay engine from ground up. It's frustrating seeing legacy issues from Madden 06. Then Franchise needs to get overhauled. I'm tired of that streamlined approach. A Franchise mode in any sports game should never be that simple be able to pick up and play by anyone.
    For me it’s all going to come down to what they do to make franchise continue to be playable once you get around the five year mark where every team is rated in the high seventies or low eighties due to the rich get richer progression system
    Can't wait for a 15 second hype trailer that will be a bunch of 1 second jump cuts of RBs performing badly animated jukes and spins and a few random 1 handed WR catches.
    illwill10
    I will try to stay positive and give Madden a chance to show off what it plans to do before writing it off. At the end of day, I'm a NFL fan but haven't had that NFL game I wanted to buy. Madden might be the only "sim" NFL for a long while. I always favored NCAA over Madden. I took a break after NCAA stopped. But after playing M16 and M17 for a little bit, I wanted to buy M18 because I felt the gameplay was solid enough where if they touched Franchise I could enjoy myself. But when that EA Play for Madden 18 came out and Rex said that Franchise wasn't getting touched because of focus on Frostbite and Longshot, that took M18 off the table for me. Then M19 was pretty much same thing just year 2 of Frostbite and Longshot. Then Madden 20 having a Scenario engine that wasn't complete at launch that promised features.
    I want to want to buy Madden 21, but need to see a true step in right direction. First thing I would want to see is them go away from the Frostbite engine. Still don't like that EA mandated their publishers to use Frostbite. Then they need to really work on gameplay engine from ground up. It's frustrating seeing legacy issues from Madden 06. Then Franchise needs to get overhauled. I'm tired of that streamlined approach. A Franchise mode in any sports game should never be that simple be able to pick up and play by anyone.

    I don't know what they are going to do, and I'm sorry to be a downer, but there is zero chance that they are going to do any of what you want to see in your second paragraph.
    The development team members might get canned for even suggesting any of those things to upper management. Franchise is more likely to be removed than returned to the complexity of the old days.
    I've just about given up on Madden. We've been asking for the same things for how long now? I've lost all confidence that EA even wants to make the type of game we want, and even if they did I lost all confidence that they even possess the competence to do it.
    Everyone talking about a punter at QB, run game, who cares, no different when we seen gun bunch win tourneys for years, if this is just a trailer coming 6/1, not interested, game never plays as the “trailer looks” need to see real gameplay, everybody needs to stop hating because of the way the game plays, not Jokes fault (not a fan just so you know) but everyone runs in this game, and if you don’t......you don’t win, ask everyone else in the top 16
    jfsolo
    I don't know what they are going to do, and I'm sorry to be a downer, but there is zero chance that they are going to do any of what you want to see in your second paragraph.
    The development team members might get canned for even suggesting any of those things to upper management. Franchise is more likely to be removed than returned to the complexity of the old days.

    I know, its nice to dream lol. Even by going by that little Madden 21 clip, that broken tackle animation is the same one we seen for years. I wouldn't be surprised if main selling points were graphical leap(not much looked different in that little clip besides lighting), Face of the Franchise Part 2, expanded Superstar KO mode, New MUT feature, couple Back of the box features, a "top Community " CFM request. I don't know why, but I feel that Coach Carousel will be in within next 2 games. I feel it has to be. It's been long since NCAA implemented it and NHL got it before Madden, and devs knows fans want it. So If thats one Franchise feature that will be in, I think that has to be one, hopefully lol. Not a big gripe, but will we go another generation without mouthpieces lol
    Main reasons most want a 2k sim game is they want a different experience/option and the hopefully competition pushes Madden. But honestly there's no guarantee that a 2k game would be as a good as Madden for several years. Most are living in 2k5/2k8(gameplay) nostalgia. Whatever 2k is creating, they are building from scratch. Sega was the ones developing the 5/6th gen games. What most are hopefully within first two years of whatever 2k is doing, that they lay down a good foundation(gameplay, animations, visuals, Franchise) that they can build into a great game down the line
    ggsimmonds
    I've just about given up on Madden. We've been asking for the same things for how long now? I've lost all confidence that EA even wants to make the type of game we want, and even if they did I lost all confidence that they even possess the competence to do it.

    Yeah at some point the joke is on us for continuing to think that the franchise mode we want is a realistic possibility
    If they come out and say there is a change in gameplay that is going to be heavily reliant on physics, leverage and player positioning with a major movement away from two player canned animation and a huge improvement in AI that will get me in the door. If not, nothing else they have to say will matter to me.
    4thQtrStre5S
    Hope to see OL/DL interactions. But expect the usual sizzle video
    Oh most definitely that's what I'm expecting too. We'll get the sizzle trailer, people will pick it apart and we'll be waiting for actual gameplay clips or whatever to really get a feel for what they're bringing
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    If June 1st can come and go without EA lying to us about what's in the game, that would be a better start than last year.
    For the first time, EA has competition for me. That competition being modded M'20 on PC, with the Start Today mod basically M'21 for Franchise. I used to play only on Xbox, now it's not even installed. I'd be content rolling with M'20 if this year's game disappoints (which I believe it will, moreso than usual).
    Usually Madden does the deep dive on EA Play. So I expect a sizzle trailer and a teaser heading into EA Play on June 1. Madden 20 went away from the norm by revealing almost all info by EA Play last year. But looks like they will go back to their normal schedule where EA Play starts it off then have blogs until late July. So EA Play, I expect them to try to show off next the graphics and highlight key features. Then have the normal blog schedule until end of July
    callmetaternuts
    So what do we think the “more than a name” means?
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    That seems like a tagline for a story mode. Like with 2k19 had that "What's your name" stuff for MyCareer. That seems like that could be the tagline for Face of the Franchise
    callmetaternuts
    So what do we think the “more than a name” means?
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    Im guessing it has something to do with single player story mode. But my “perfect scenario” would be a career mode for a Coach (Madden) and its a revamped franchise mode with coaching carousel, more behind the scenes stuff as a Coach. But I know that is a pipe dream.
    Reed1417
    we'll be waiting for actual gameplay clips or whatever to really get a feel for what they're bringing
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    Just to get those annoying as **** "Gamechanger" vids during/shortly after EA Play.
    Kanobi
    Just to get those annoying as **** "Gamechanger" vids during/shortly after EA Play.

    Ha. Yes forgot about those. “EA paid me to fly down here so thanks to them” or whatever they have to say before each video. Usually a lot of hype from them on the most basic or irrelevant feature. But I will watch them to see what is new
    Kanobi
    Just to get those annoying as **** "Gamechanger" vids during/shortly after EA Play.
    I've always looked at that from a different perspective as someone who's a content creator myself but I can totally see why some people have that viewpoint.
    You (general you not you as in Kanobi) see it and you think "oh great this person is a shill" or whatever. "They're only doing this to suck up to EA (insert company here) to get free stuff".
    As someone who's not at that level yet (only have 124 subscribers on YouTube at the moment) I feel like people see all these videos and such and get themselves hyped up, which isn't a bad thing. But I also feel like that same person shouldn't take the creator's word as gospel. Cause what happens more times than not is "hey you said this would be good and it's not why did you lie to me". These creators that get sponsors and flew out to places and that stuff are just as excited as the general public for this stuff and I think it's important to keep that in perspective.
    Sorry I kinda rambled there but I always look forward to seeing the gameplay, no matter who it comes from. So long as it's not cell phone camera footage I'm cool
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    Reed1417

    I always look forward to seeing the gameplay, no matter who it comes from.

    Same here. Its the gamechanger commentary that urks me with a vast majority of those guys. There's only one or two I find tolerable. The others get muted.
    XtremeDunkz
    Considering how things are..I don't think we will be getting any game changer videos lol.
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    Yeah, Unless they got flown out prior to March, I doubt we will see any gamechangers videos. Unless it will be a situation where EA email the GCs video that can dub over, we won't see anything from them
    jmurphy31
    Im guessing it has something to do with single player story mode.

    After the trash they put out with QB1 last year they need to just drop these story modes. They don't support them after launch. QB1 is unplayable. The college games have 10 guys on offense. FB & OL playing WR. It's a joke. If they're going to abandon the mode right after launch they need to just can it and put their resources into gameplay and the other modes.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    After the trash they put out with QB1 last year they need to just drop these story modes. They don't support them after launch. QB1 is unplayable. The college games have 10 guys on offense. FB & OL playing WR. It's a joke. If they're going to abandon the mode right after launch they need to just can it and put their resources into gameplay and the other modes.

    Its one thing if they had 2k's cheesy rise to fall underdog story, but I really don't care for Madden's interactive movie approach last few years. It's a sports game, I don't want an interactive movie. But at the same time, I don't care for player lock CFM because it's so shallow. Single Player Careers Modes are a main staple of sports games nowadays, so it will continue to be a focus. I rather them go back to the traditional Superstar mode. The 6th gen version, had a lot more depth then it has now
    illwill10
    Its one thing if they had 2k's cheesy rise to fall underdog story, but I really don't care for Madden's interactive movie approach last few years. It's a sports game, I don't want an interactive movie. But at the same time, I don't care for player lock CFM because it's so shallow. Single Player Careers Modes are a main staple of sports games nowadays, so it will continue to be a focus. I rather them go back to the traditional Superstar mode. The 6th gen version, had a lot more depth then it has now

    I agree. I woould bee cool with EA just letting someone play a career as one player. My 11 year old son loves doing it. He creates a RB, plays on EASY and has a blast. but even he didnt like the Story Mode. So many resources are probably used up to create that mode. And if I was a betting man, I bet the resources used for that mode, probably took away from franchise mode.
    jmurphy31

    I agree. I woould bee cool with EA just letting someone play a career as one player. My 11 year old son loves doing it. He creates a RB, plays on EASY and has a blast. but even he didnt like the Story Mode. So many resources are probably used up to create that mode. And if I was a betting man, I bet the resources used for that mode, probably took away from franchise mode.

    I think Rex Dickson said how Longshot took away resources from Franchise back in M18. So Imagine the focus on these Story modes takes away what could go in Franchise. The thing is that they were trying to show off what Frostbite could do instead of building a solid franchise mode, heck even a decent career mode. They are trying to fill that career mode area while doing Franchise mode a disservice and at the same time not doing a good job at the career mode. Then they preached that some of the breakthroughs and features would eventually make it into Franchise. That hasn't happened yet.
    ggsimmonds
    I've just about given up on Madden. We've been asking for the same things for how long now? I've lost all confidence that EA even wants to make the type of game we want, and even if they did I lost all confidence that they even possess the competence to do it.

    I have given up on madden after like madden during the xbox/gamecube/ps2 gen out side of like 1-2 years ever year has been straight up trash, and there are still some things that madden did better then such has franchise mode, clock management. I do look at info ever year and i do hope it will be good but i don't see it being good again with out there being another nfl game option out there to push them harder.
    illwill10
    I think Rex Dickson said how Longshot took away resources from Franchise back in M18. So Imagine the focus on these Story modes takes away what could go in Franchise. The thing is that they were trying to show off what Frostbite could do instead of building a solid franchise mode, heck even a decent career mode. They are trying to fill that career mode area while doing Franchise mode a disservice and at the same time not doing a good job at the career mode. Then they preached that some of the breakthroughs and features would eventually make it into Franchise. That hasn't happened yet.

    Yup. I remember hearing how the face of the franchise would allow for features to make it into franchise mode much easier. I also think when they did those opening cinematic scenes with the awesome commentary was a big waste. it was a one time event that showed some new feature or was used to play while downloading. But the commentary was pretty legit.
    jmurphy31
    Yup. I remember hearing how the face of the franchise would allow for features to make it into franchise mode much easier. I also think when they did those opening cinematic scenes with the awesome commentary was a big waste. it was a one time event that showed some new feature or was used to play while downloading. But the commentary was pretty legit.

    I saw on Twitter a Chiefs reporter posting of a pic of him getting scanned into the game a few months ago while tweeting at a Madden dev. So that could be something
    Reed1417
    I've always looked at that from a different perspective as someone who's a content creator myself but I can totally see why some people have that viewpoint.
    You (general you not you as in Kanobi) see it and you think "oh great this person is a shill" or whatever. "They're only doing this to suck up to EA (insert company here) to get free stuff".
    As someone who's not at that level yet (only have 124 subscribers on YouTube at the moment) I feel like people see all these videos and such and get themselves hyped up, which isn't a bad thing. But I also feel like that same person shouldn't take the creator's word as gospel. Cause what happens more times than not is "hey you said this would be good and it's not why did you lie to me". These creators that get sponsors and flew out to places and that stuff are just as excited as the general public for this stuff and I think it's important to keep that in perspective.
    Sorry I kinda rambled there but I always look forward to seeing the gameplay, no matter who it comes from. So long as it's not cell phone camera footage I'm cool
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    I'm a content creator as well and I'd definitely take the GCs words with a grain of salt given they only see what EA is willing to show them/want them to promote
    StateoftheFranchise
    I'm a content creator as well and I'd definitely take the GCs words with a grain of salt given they only see what EA is willing to show them/want them to promote
    Oh most definitely man I agree with you there! It's so important to form your own opinion! By the way, this is B_Ron Sports on YouTube my guy good to see you over here!
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    jmurphy31
    Yup. I remember hearing how the face of the franchise would allow for features to make it into franchise mode much easier. I also think when they did those opening cinematic scenes with the awesome commentary was a big waste. it was a one time event that showed some new feature or was used to play while downloading. But the commentary was pretty legit.

    Thats what I'm sick of hearing though. When they rolled out connected careers and it lacked many franchise features what we were told was that this new mode would make it far easier to add things to franchise in the future. Before long it went back to the previous excuses of how difficult something is and hopefully they add it in the future.
    For years this is what we've been getting:
    "Here's a new feature/mode. We know its not what you've been asking for but this allows us to add in those things much easier later"
    But then next release comes and we still don't have those things and what we get is "there are limitations with the engine that make this extremely difficult, but we will keep looking into it!"
    Rinse and repeat.
    I'm sick and tired of hearing the phrase "foundation to build on." I've been hearing that every year for the entire current gen life cycle. EA adds a half baked feature and we hear how while not good now it provides a good foundation to build on, but then it doesn't get built upon. Gameplans, practices, player morale, coach adjustments, and most recently the scenario engine.
    Madden franchise has been nothing but a collection of half realized features cobbled together.
    Give us a game worth buying or playing...Real injuries that matter and mean something..Just redo the injury system and add all new player cards so we can see the team players play for or have played for..Superbowls won and probowls won along with the year.. It should look something like this in each players card in their career of Superbowls won and probowls won. Superbowl M.V.P and the year it was won..
    SB Won:( 1) 2019
    SB Apps(2) 2015,2019
    Probowl:(3)2015,17,18,20,
    Like 2k format of how neat they keep track of history on each team and player. If Madden bring life to each team with 30 year history of every team and keep track from there going into our Franchise mode will give the game life and replayability. Bring realism to the game
    PhillyPhanatic14
    After the trash they put out with QB1 last year they need to just drop these story modes. They don't support them after launch. QB1 is unplayable. The college games have 10 guys on offense. FB & OL playing WR. It's a joke. If they're going to abandon the mode right after launch they need to just can it and put their resources into gameplay and the other modes.

    I don't know if it is a generational thing. I grew up on Tecmo Bowl so I am outside EAs demographics. Personally, I have not touched that story mode nonsense in any sport game. I don't care about it. All I want is a franchise mode... that's all I care about.
    Now maybe the 17-18 year olds love this stuff and mut and first person and all of that stuff. Me? Nope. Franchise mode and nothing else.
    I'm still playing Madden 20 and thoroughly enjoy it even with its warts. Probably played M20 more than any Madden game since M13.
    Looking forward to seeing what's new and what's fixed in Madden 21.
    CM Hooe
    Looking forward to seeing what's new and what's fixed in Madden 21.

    Any predictions? What new are you hoping for? What fixes you really hoping to see?
    I hope to see the OL/DL interactions fixed. I want to see the offense focus on a NT like Damon Harrison with a double team. I want to see the defense Spill, Force and Fits on run plays. I want to see defensive line players actually get the push at the LOS instead of the OL winning the first ~2 yards.
    I would like to understand the logic behind the process of ratings and results on field. In an animation based game, I feel there are too few animations to represent all the necessary results for a rating system of 1 through 99. This could be why we only see ratings between 65 to 99; if we consider the rating thresholds, we only have ratings between ~0-5.
    So imagine a run play where the Defensive line is trying to spill (push the RB into the force player, who then is attempting to force the RB back into the spill and the LBs & Safeties with run fits to plug gaps.
    If we have 6 thresholds, and then something like 12 animations to cover win/lose results from critical loss/win to a tie at any given point of calculation for those thresholds, there is a lot of room for wonky animation results. Maybe that is why we see a lineman blocking nothing, or watching a defender rush pass for the tackle or sack?
    I hope going into this next gen, with the increased processing power, we will see a great addition of animations, if animations is the only effective means to replicating a football game.
    I wish to see less big play animations, and more of the subtle animations, the OL/DL animations that we don't necessarily focus on when watching a real NFL game, but our mind knows when a game doesn't replicate the action correctly.
    And for the love of God and all that is - please stop with the jump catch animation frequency. NO coach teaches their receivers to jump for every pass.
    Would also appreciate more fluid animations in replicating WR/DB interactions in Man coverage. I don't wish to see DBs getting turned around and lagging 7 yards behind a WR after a simple Dig route, for example. SO, cleaning separation animations to make coverages look good, but also allow for the user to identify an open WR.
    cowboy_kmoney
    Give us a game worth buying or playing...Real injuries that matter and mean something..Just redo the injury system and add all new player cards so we can see the team players play for or have played for..Superbowls won and probowls won along with the year.. It should look something like this in each players card in their career of Superbowls won and probowls won. Superbowl M.V.P and the year it was won..
    SB Won:( 1) 2019
    SB Apps(2) 2015,2019
    Probowl:(3)2015,17,18,20,
    Like 2k format of how neat they keep track of history on each team and player. If Madden bring life to each team with 30 year history of every team and keep track from there going into our Franchise mode will give the game life and replayability. Bring realism to the game
    Exactly. I shouldn't have to keep a notebook or spreadsheet just to have some idea of what happened in my league straight in my head.
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    I have 0 expectations because every year I get psyched and then disappointed.
    This time last year we had already been lied to about "realistic contracts" and we were just 3 weeks prior to all of our feedback in the beta getting ignored.
    This go around I'm just gonna sit back, expect nothing, and hopefully end up with another fun game. Expecting Madden to progress or focus on Franchise just isn't worth my time anymore. It's not going to happen and I'm not wasting my energy dreaming about it anymore.
    I'm pretty much at the apathy stage for Madden at this juncture. Don't get me wrong, I loved M20...played multiple franchises deeper than I had for any other previous version of the game (I've played them all). I had a blast developing teams and players, I grew attached to fictitious players I drafted and really got engaged in the mode.
    But even if they build upon 20's foundation; I'm not sure they can take another big step forward and add another layer of immersion. Sure, adding more non-boosting scenarios and including CPU scenarios (IF...big if....properly integrated with the news stories and in-game commentary) could do that.
    But the biggest thing we need and I don't think we'll ever see it (thus the reason for my apathy). We need more adversity! Everything in the mode is about "gains". Gain XP, gain confidence, gain higher dev traits, etc. If all you want to eat is cake, then go for it. But I ate my fill of cake in M20...I need my main course now.
    The only interest I have is whether they port it to the Switch. Once SMB3 came out, I just need a football or hockey game to make the jump onto the Switch, and this would sure do it!
    Have to be careful not get too caught up in the next gen version allure. It could easy for some to see the graphical leap and get blinded. For me, that wouldn't entice me. Unless they show off a physics engine/gameplay engine, prettier visuals won't entice me to buy.
    With EA Play being the following week, I expect June 1st to be another sizzle trailer and some screen shots. I wouldn't expect any concrete info on the game itself outside of showing off a trailer
    After they release a few mediocre features that we most likely had in Madden 2010, they will also say that they couldn't go all in on Madden 21 because they had to focus on making the game for the next generation of consoles.
    xSABOx
    I'm thinking you are gonna see a big upgrade on franchise mode, maybe not on this initial reveal but soon ... ;)

    Do you know something we don't?
    I trust you man... your mod work on the PC version radically changed the way I play the game.
    Sparkles
    Looks like a trailer will be posted Monday. They have the YouTube reminder thing uploaded

    Yeah it is set for 7am PT/10am ET on Monday. Just a reveal trailer. I expect just a quick overview of what is to come. Then on EA Play a deep dive. Then blogs through late June/July
    Given how stripped previous Maddens have been every time there's a new gen of consoles, and given how incredibly disappointed I was at the Franchise "additions" from last year, my hopes and expectations are pretty low.
    Maybe since this was a "contract year" for them with the NFL they put some work into the parts of the game that matter to people outside of MUT, but I'm not exceptionally optimistic.
    Madden 20 was my third most played game last year (behind MLB 18 and 19). I had a lot of fun with the game and easily got my money's worth.
    But I am approaching M21 as a new title, a new game....they have to "sell me" on their vision of this year's game....no different than any other video game.
    But if I DO purchase, I'm leaning heavily towards a physical copy; no patches, nothing. There will be warts, bugs, and issues; but every version of the game has them. But I have far more faith in EA than I do the community feedback - and yeah, that says a lot.
    jpdavis82
    Fix your game so punters aren’t playing QB, fix the challenge system, add a new realistic injury system, improve player movement and animations, and invest in Franchise and I’ll listen.
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    Man if I could like this post about 1000x....these words are the epitome of what needs to happen.
    SonicBoom2040
    Man if I could like this post about 1000x....these words are the epitome of what needs to happen.

    Rewind the tape a few years back and I was pretty well known as a Madden fanboy around social media and forums. Things have definitely changed and the devs have to be held accountable for failing their most dedicated fanbase.
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    jpdavis82
    Rewind the tape a few years back and I was pretty well known as a Madden fanboy around social media and forums. Things have definitely changed and the devs have to be held accountable for failing their most dedicated fanbase.
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    Miss seeing you update the forums with new features that everyone was hyped for... Hoping we can relive that soon man
    TheOncomingStorm
    Do you know something we don't?
    I trust you man... your mod work on the PC version radically changed the way I play the game.

    Through the convos I've had about stuff i've changed/discovered with devs and the responses I've gotten, I have to assume they have something diff for CFM worked up
    But no, no insider info here
    xSABOx
    Through the convos I've had about stuff i've changed/discovered with devs and the responses I've gotten, I have to assume they have something diff for CFM worked up
    But no, no insider info here

    This is encouraging to me that there will some tangible improvement to the game under the hood even if it's not something that gets marketed or even put into a blog.
    Minimal gameplay and graphics changes (for current gen), “new” franchise features that either aren’t actually new or are so small you would miss it if they didn’t tell you it was there, and massive updates to MUT. Same ole same ole.
    No matter what we see or read, it can all change and we need to remember that. So much of what they promised last year either never happened or took an eternity to implement and they still got it wrong.
    Realistic contracts was a straight up lie. No matter how they try to spin it, that was a straight up lie.
    Their shiny new QB1 mode is the most bug-filled mode 10 months after release that I have ever seen in a AAA game and it's been that way since Day 1, but they didn't care enough to fix it. Still adding trash to MUT$$$ 10 months after release but they can't fix their back of the box mode.

    They told us in July that 5th Yr Options were coming. They didn't come until late November and the way they are added is a joke. You can't see the player card and every time it's the same line... "You really want to extend player A's contract? He barely saw the field last year but Ok." ...even if the dude won MVP that is the line they use. It's a joke.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    No matter what we see or read, it can all change and we need to remember that. So much of what they promised last year either never happened or took an eternity to implement and they still got it wrong.
    Realistic contracts was a straight up lie. No matter how they try to spin it, that was a straight up lie.
    They told us in July that 5th Yr Options were coming. They didn't come until late November and the way they are added is a joke. You can't see the player card and every time it's the same line... "You really want to extend player A's contract? He barely saw the field last year but Ok." ...even if the dude won MVP that is the line they use. It's a joke.

    I still remember that September post schedule that had 5th year contracts as "Mid-September" lol. I'm sure many waited a long while to start a CFM and then every time they updated abilities and features, it required a restart.
    I'm not for live service modes. I'd want CFM to be complete at launch. It's one thing to fix a major issue post launch or add something useful, but key features should be finished at launch. It's a frustrating being into season, then a important update for CFM comes later in year that isn't available for your CFM. That's why I'm likely to focus on a career mode for the first couple months, then start my franchise just so I dont have regrets of starting one immediately
    mtmetcalfe
    Any predictions? What new are you hoping for? What fixes you really hoping to see?

    No predictions, but I'd like to see any combination of the following changes:
    - more and more varied abilities
    - bring back trips checks in Cover 3 Match (Mable / Skate), fix bugs in trips checks in Cover 4 Quarters / Palms
    - add more man-match coverages
    - add better play art to better explain how match coverages work, the current play art for 3 Match / 4 Quarters / 4 Palms does not communicate the assignments effectively whatsoever
    - rebalance the run game, especially shotgun 11-personnel runs and all under-center outside zone runs
    - general overhaul of defensive options against running QBs as they continue to proliferate across the NFL
    - give the CPU knowledge of and ability to use pre-snap adjustments to curtail user cheese (ex. CPU should know how to use QB Spy / QB Contain calls so users can't spam QB runs)
    - give the CPU knowledge of and ability to use protection adjustments and blocking hot routes so Nickel Double-A-Gap Mid Blitz doesn't completely overwhelm anything they ever do
    - allow use of formations from NFL Live playbooks in custom playbooks
    - something to reduce the sheer number of button inputs I'm making pre-snap on defense; maybe the ability to set up hot route macros so I'm not fighting the controller to get all the adjustments I want to make in during the five seconds I have before the ball is snapped; maybe a coaching points feature where I can create a set of rules my players automatically follow in certain situations (example: if I have a stud CB, I always put him in press-man when playing Quarters against a 3x1 formation where the solo player is a wide receiver. Let me set that up as a rule pre-game so I don't have to press nine buttons to do it (in Madden 20 it takes at least nine button presses to achieve this)).
    - compensatory draft picks in franchise mode
    - changes to breakout scenarios to reduce the number of ability players in the league; too easy to cheese
    - fleshed-out head coaches and assistant coaches
    - more stories in franchise mode to make the experience less dry, particularly in single-player settings
    - full uniform customization in Ultimate Team and franchise team relocation; TeamBuilder?
    CM Hooe
    No predictions, but I'd like to see any combination of the following changes:
    - add more man-match coverages

    I would love a REAL rat/robber coverage
    -the implementation of manual passing similar to Backbreaker.
    -full manual catching control on offense and defense.
    -implementation of the kicking system that is in the NCAA titles
    -the ability to set our simmed minutes for user and AI controlled teams in a franchise.
    -the ability to set the length of the game in 15 second increments. Id like to play 4 quarters totaling 15 minutes...
    -league wide stats that reflect the minutes played in user games.
    illwill10
    This was supposedly posted and deleted

    For those curious what the small print states in the image:
    Premieres June 1, 2020
    Go All out in Madden NFL 21 with innovative gameplay mechanics that offer advanced levels of control and inspire creativity on both sides of the ball. Feel all-out control with the new skill stick ball-carrier system, dominate the edge with fresh pass rush moves, experience more open-field realism with tackle improvements, and have more fun with user-controlled celebrations.
    Pre-order Madden NFL 21: http://x.ea.com/63339
    Play 3 days early with the MVP Edition beginning August 25, 2020, on Xbox One, Playstation 4, and PC.
    4thQtrStre5S
    For those curious what the small print states in the image:
    Premieres June 1, 2020
    Go All out in Madden NFL 21 with innovative gameplay mechanics that offer advanced levels of control and inspire creativity on both sides of the ball. Feel all-out control with the new skill stick ball-carrier system, dominate the edge with fresh pass rush moves, experience more open-field realism with tackle improvements, and have more fun with user-controlled celebrations.
    Pre-order Madden NFL 21: http://x.ea.com/63339
    Play 3 days early with the MVP Edition beginning August 25, 2020, on Xbox One, Playstation 4, and PC.

    Not surprised that it has a later date. With everything going on, then I expected later release. More time to work on game pre-release is good.
    Those gameplay features seem like additions on to what's there.
    4thQtrStre5S
    For those curious what the small print states in the image:
    Premieres June 1, 2020
    Go All out in Madden NFL 21 with innovative gameplay mechanics that offer advanced levels of control and inspire creativity on both sides of the ball. Feel all-out control with the new skill stick ball-carrier system, dominate the edge with fresh pass rush moves, experience more open-field realism with tackle improvements, and have more fun with user-controlled celebrations.
    Pre-order Madden NFL 21: http://x.ea.com/63339
    Play 3 days early with the MVP Edition beginning August 25, 2020, on Xbox One, Playstation 4, and PC.

    I feel like they give us a new running system every two years. Also, dont we already have user controlled celebrations?
    I know that paragraph is more for the casual crowd, but even that doesnt sound "fun" for a casual.
    jmurphy31
    I feel like they give us a new running system every two years. Also, dont we already have user controlled celebrations?
    I know that paragraph is more for the casual crowd, but even that doesnt sound "fun" for a casual.

    Agree. and it seems every two years the one key ingredient they forget to include for a running system is proper offensive line gameplay.
    illwill10
    Not surprised that it has a later date. With everything going on, then I expected later release. More time to work on game pre-release is good.
    Those gameplay features seem like additions on to what's there.

    I hope we see an open beta period. I tweeted a reply to one of the Devs because of a tweet made on the topic of the struggles we are feeling because of the pandemic; I mentioned how it would be a positive action by EA to allow and open Madden 21 beta period so we can all have a chance to experience the game and give feedback.
    I am sure I am not the only one who has felt belittled by the process of waiting for beta codes to drop and attempting to rush to enter the code.
    jmurphy31
    I feel like they give us a new running system every two years. Also, dont we already have user controlled celebrations?
    I know that paragraph is more for the casual crowd, but even that doesnt sound "fun" for a casual.

    That seems like usual consumer pitch they give every year or so. New ball carrier system, improved tackles, more animations, more celebrations. Rinse and Repeat.
    I don't want to just see improved tackles and pass rush moves with the current system. All these bandaid fixes/additions aren't what we want if we still are dealing with legacy issues from Madden 06
    4thQtrStre5S
    I hope we see an open beta period. I tweeted a reply to one of the Devs because of a tweet made on the topic of the struggles we are feeling because of the pandemic; I mentioned how it would be a positive action by EA to allow and open Madden 21 beta period so we can all have a chance to experience the game and give feedback.
    I am sure I am not the only one who has felt belittled by the process of waiting for beta codes to drop and attempting to rush to enter the code.

    The whole beta code system was pretty bad the past few years. It was a very bad campaign that tried to build hype but really became an insult to actual gamers
    4thQtrStre5S
    Agree. and it seems every two years the one key ingredient they forget to include for a running system is proper offensive line gameplay.

    Exactly. I have been hoping for past couple generations that they would overhaul OL/DL. It has been just Diceroll and probability based. The Abilities just increased the probability of win%
    I hope they get to a point where they overhaul gameplay
    Sorry for hijacking the thread as I know this doesn't belong here, but does anyone know if it is possible to update the rosters from Madden 2004 for the Playstation 2? I used to play this game all the time and I've read online that you can update stuff in it, but I'm not sure if that is only for the PC version or if it includes the PS2 as well. Thank you.
    illwill10
    Exactly. I have been hoping for past couple generations that they would overhaul OL/DL. It has been just Diceroll and probability based. The Abilities just increased the probability of win%
    I hope they get to a point where they overhaul gameplay

    Unfortunately new and improved o line blocking isn’t a back of the box feature and isn’t exciting enough to warrant much attention. Not my opinion, but that’s probably how ea feels. I think the Shaun Alexander cover was the last to “focus” on that with lead block control
    jmurphy31
    Unfortunately new and improved o line blocking isn’t a back of the box feature and isn’t exciting enough to warrant much attention. Not my opinion, but that’s probably how ea feels. I think the Shaun Alexander cover was the last to “focus” on that with lead block control

    Exactly smh.
    I really hope Madden takes advantage of more powerful CPU in next gen hardware, and at least drastically improves AI. The AI in Madden has been terrible for a long while. I don't even blame past couple generation consoles because games like APF2k8 had way better AI than Madden and that engine is essentially the 2k5 engine from 6th gen. Madden has to do something with its AI
    If new pass rush moves aren't accompanied by improvements to the OL then of course we all know that it will be disastrous. As has been mentioned OL blocking revamping isn't marketable to casual players so hopefully they've just done it and the blogs and streams are where we'll hear about it.
    This first trailer will probable show Lamar juking someone out of their ACL, one of the elite pass rushers making an OLineman look silly, and a great open field tackle by a premier LB or S.
    jfsolo
    If new pass rush moves aren't accompanied by improvements to the OL then of course we all know that it will be disastrous. As has been mentioned OL blocking revamping isn't marketable to casual players so hopefully they've just done it and the blogs and streams are where we'll hear about it.
    This first trailer will probable show Lamar juking someone out of their ACL, one of the elite pass rushers making an OLineman look silly, and a great open field tackle by a premier LB or S.

    Thinking of Lamar Jackson, when are they going to officially announce him as cover athlete. There were leaks prior to Ravens leaking it out and he was always the obvious choice. I feel they will wait until EA Play Live to officially announce it
    illwill10
    Thinking of Lamar Jackson, when are they going to officially announce him as cover athlete. There were leaks prior to Ravens leaking it out and he was always the obvious choice. I feel they will wait until EA Play Live to officially announce it

    Even ESPN said Jackson will be on the cover of 21, but they even said it hasn’t officially been announced. Had it on NFL Live this afternoon. Weird
    illwill10
    Exactly smh.
    I really hope Madden takes advantage of more powerful CPU in next gen hardware, and at least drastically improves AI. The AI in Madden has been terrible for a long while. I don't even blame past couple generation consoles because games like APF2k8 had way better AI than Madden and that engine is essentially the 2k5 engine from 6th gen. Madden has to do something with its AI

    That’s the biggest thing me going forward. CPU AI. But we have been hearing wait until the next system to take advantage of the powerful CPU. I think I remember them saying on one of the generation leaps how many more calculations per second can occur and it was supposed to improve cpu ai. And yet in 2020 we still have timeouts called at exactly 1:01 and some other dumb blunders
    Americas Team
    If they haven't overhauled line play, on both sides, then they are not serious about improving the game.

    Also need to get away from 2 man animation dependency. I hope "all-out control" means way more user control in one on one situations. Nowadays you're dependent on the winning animation to fire rather than actual stick skill. Then you don't get proper gang tackle animations because the animation can't be branched into a gang tackle and have defenders just standing there. WR/DB animations aren't as bad as they use to be when they use to just mirror each other. But still needs more one on one.
    jmurphy31
    That’s the biggest thing me going forward. CPU AI. But we have been hearing wait until the next system to take advantage of the powerful CPU. I think I remember them saying on one of the generation leaps how many more calculations per second can occur and it was supposed to improve cpu ai. And yet in 2020 we still have timeouts called at exactly 1:01 and some other dumb blunders

    Exactly. Thats been the one thing I've been banging on the table for EVERY game. I want to see improved CPU AI. Anyone who plays primarily against CPU should want drastically improved AI. In all aspects of game not just Gameplay. I even suggested a Tendency System in the wishlist thread that would do the bulk of CPU actions. Madden's CPU gameplay is so scripted because AI isn't advanced enough to act on the fly. Not too much difference on how games are called from CPU AI.
    jmurphy31
    I feel like they give us a new running system every two years. Also, dont we already have user controlled celebrations?
    I know that paragraph is more for the casual crowd, but even that doesnt sound "fun" for a casual.

    If one of their selling points is user celebrations we may be in for a rough year.
    jmurphy31
    That’s the biggest thing me going forward. CPU AI. But we have been hearing wait until the next system to take advantage of the powerful CPU. I think I remember them saying on one of the generation leaps how many more calculations per second can occur and it was supposed to improve cpu ai. And yet in 2020 we still have timeouts called at exactly 1:01 and some other dumb blunders

    The really sad thing is back during ps2 gen the CPU didn't do those odd timeouts. My issue with madden is not even compared to 2k. I never thought NFL 2k was even a good game. My issue is how madden is compared to madden during the ps2 gen. Not only like odd time outs and such but also CPU will only go no huddle if there are less then 2 minutes left. Like if CPU is down like say 10-14 points and gets the ball with like 4 minutes where not only do you need to score but you need to score some what fast so you can try to get the ball back again and try to score again they will not go into no huddle.
    I expect  much of the same. The hype  train  begins  now,  some improved graphic s  , MUT improvements,  franchise mode basically untouched, boasts of better gameplay  (to find out it  isn't true), no   added  immersions to the game (decent  halftime  show, sideline graphics,  customizations, etc.) I've played Madden  since the first one and have stopped    buying the full price game long ago.  I  buy it when it's  on sale  only to find out that I am better off playing older Madden games, NCAA football or   NFL 2k.  (I  even tried   Doug  Flutie  Football.)  I am not saying  Madden isn't a good game but  with each new release  I am underwhelmed by the results.   Madden football is a money maker for EA and the NFL and  has been for a long time,it doesn't seem to matter  what  players want unless it affects MUT.  I am off this  hyype train maybe to return. Madden to me is a cycle of wash, rinse , repeat. 
    Just got word from EA. Updated OP link.
    In light of the recent tragedy in Minnesota and events around the country since then, we will be postponing Monday’s Madden NFL 21 announcement until a later date. EA SPORTS will share more on this soon.
    It still baffles me how EA feels so compelled to be super secretive about revealing information about their game. There is no competition and there are no titles that threaten the Madden franchise or its sales yet they hold on to their year to year changes like it's a national security secret. 
    Over the years I've seen this pattern play out over and over again and personally, I'm out. Because the reality is the game will play exactly the same as it did last year, there will be little to no game play innovation and the innovation they do implement will most likely come with a slew of game busting bugs/exploits the will be "patched" over the following 6 months as the army of Madden players pay $60 to beta test there game. 
    Online play will be a hot mess of cheesy players who exploit the same play/formation/motion over and over again only to rage quit should you find a way to stop them when you're still in the game.  The whole scene has become stale, boring and predictable. Not to mention pay-to-win has ruined a somewhat interesting concept (Ultimate Team) as EA does nothing what so ever concerning match making as the game lines your 78 over team against a week 1 99 overall team. Oh but I guess the solution to that is pay-to-play salary cap...even that is exploited by over powered cards. Needless to say, This is the first year in probably 20+ years that I won't buy Madden. 
    Yeah trying to market a video game right now would get some major bad PR.
    To be honest though, if you have a PC, so much of the gameplay can be cleaned up by going in a adjusting/tweaking under-the-hood gameplay aspects to your liking.
    - you literally have access to the very gameplay aspects the Devs tweak/tune for their released Updates.
    You don’t like some of the suction tackling you see, get rid of it.
    You want more/better ball/player/momentum Physics, change those variables.
    So much untapped power the PC version gives the User.
    All I see for M21 from the tidbit that’s been leaked/released is that H2H play interaction is the core function with remapping buttons to RStick etc. and the focal usage of the trigger words “User” and “Stick Skills”.
    Anywho, I don’t expect some giant leap in M21 CFM progress, so I m actually ok with M20 PC TBH
    Hshaw810
    New features include refs, penalties and playable celebrities like rihanna

    Don't mentioned refs as a new feature I said that on this forum and a Mod jumped down my throat!!!:58:
    khaliib
    Yeah trying to market a video game right now would get some major bad PR.
    To be honest though, if you have a PC, so much of the gameplay can be cleaned up by going in a adjusting/tweaking under-the-hood gameplay aspects to your liking.
    - you literally have access to the very gameplay aspects the Devs tweak/tune for their released Updates.
    You don’t like some of the suction tackling you see, get rid of it.
    You want more/better ball/player/momentum Physics, change those variables.
    So much untapped power the PC version gives the User.
    All I see for M21 from the tidbit that’s been leaked/released is that H2H play interaction is the core function with remapping buttons to RStick etc. and the focal usage of the trigger words “User” and “Stick Skills”.
    Anywho, I don’t expect some giant leap in M21 CFM progress, so I m actually ok with M20 PC TBH

    I built a PC just for 2k, madden and now NCAA 14 lol so much better with mods. I Just go back to console for online play.
    misterkrabz2
    It still baffles me how EA feels so compelled to be super secretive about revealing information about their game. There is no competition and there are no titles that threaten the Madden franchise or its sales yet they hold on to their year to year changes like it's a national security secret.*
    Over the years I've seen this pattern play out over and over again and personally, I'm out. Because the reality is the game will play exactly the same as it did last year, there will be little to no game play innovation and the innovation they do implement will most likely come with a slew of game busting bugs/exploits the will be "patched" over the following 6 months as the army of Madden players pay $60 to beta test there game.*
    Online play will be a hot mess of cheesy players who exploit the same play/formation/motion over and over again only to rage quit should you find a way to stop them when you're still in the game.* The whole scene has become stale, boring and predictable. Not to mention pay-to-win has ruined a somewhat interesting concept (Ultimate Team) as EA does nothing what so ever concerning match making as the game lines your 78 over team against a week 1 99 overall team. Oh but I guess the solution to that is pay-to-play salary cap...even that is exploited by over powered cards. Needless to say, This is the first year in probably 20+ years that I won't buy Madden.*

    They are secretive to try and generate excitement. This is the list that was leaked
    Feel all-out control with the new skill stick ball-carrier system, dominate the edge with fresh pass rush moves, experience more open-field realism with tackle improvements, and have more fun with user-controlled celebrations.
    All of this is rehashed. Skill stick ball carrier system. Pretty sure they moved the ball carrier moves to the sticks with Madden 11 or so. The only way to sell this crap is to build fake hype around it. By Black Friday at the latest people will be complaining how Madden 21s improvements don’t really change the gameplay. Same crap new year
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    It's a no brainer. Being considered tone deaf to what's going on in the country is exponentially worse than delaying a trailer that many have already decided will be only be same ole same ole or fake anyway.
    reyes the roof
    Seems like a weird decision, unless I’m underestimating what they had planned. I was expecting a 45 second sizzle real that told us nothing about the game

    They were going to do a stream about it tomorrow morning during their Good Morning Madden show on Twitch.
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    jpdavis82
    They were going to do a stream about it tomorrow morning during their Good Morning Madden show on Twitch.
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    This probably means that the game will be delayed, and the NFL season might start before the game's release.
    videogamelover
    This probably means that the game will be delayed, and the NFL season might start before the game's release.

    Really no reason to think that. Launching the game's marketing push while cities are literally burning is probably not the best use of their time and money.
    Over the last day SpaceX accomplished something that is nearly as important to this generation as the moon landing was to the prior, and it feels like just a speed-bump in the news cycle.
    Let me preface by saying I really don't care either way news, no news. It was probably not going to be anything overly important anyway.
    If EA is going to come out and pretend that they're behind the black community by not releasing their news they better back it up with significant action.* This screams were not ready to release this and let's use this as our out.* I'm fine with the message but not releasing news does not show any solidarity it is making a mockery of the protests.* Actions are what show solidarity in this time, what are they doing to help.* This is such a PR scheme and it's embarrassing and appalling unless we see some action here.
    drewst18
    Let me preface by saying I really don't care either way news, no news. It was probably not going to be anything overly important anyway.
    If EA is going to come out and pretend that they're behind the black community by not releasing their news they better back it up with significant action.* This screams were not ready to release this and let's use this as our out.* I'm fine with the message but not releasing news does not show any solidarity it is making a mockery of the protests.* Actions are what show solidarity in this time, what are they doing to help.* This is such a PR scheme and it's embarrassing and appalling unless we see some action here.

    I know things are crazy right now and people are on edge, but this is going a little overboard. I don't see how any of this makes a mockery of protests.
    It's just a game. News is being delayed. It's not some grand conspiracy by EA.
    I agree with the decision to delay the announcement. The country is in chaos and the last thing we should be mad at is EA pushing back the Madden reveal.
    I don't care about the news being delayed.  Its that they're making it seem like they're delaying it to support the black community.
    I figured my stance would be taken as "I'm angry news is delayed" cause there are so many people here that get angry over that kind of thing.   Just think this is such a PR move, when this is clearly to help themselves. This shouts either we weren't ready or we don't want the news to be over shadowed by the protests.    I'm not angry or anything just find it funny how many people eat this up.
    How on earth is delaying this helping the black community.  Did the say they were donating any of their billions to help the cause.  Did they allow their employees time off to protest? 
    drewst18
    I don't care about the news being delayed.* Its that they're making it seem like they're delaying it to support the black community.
    I figured my stance would be taken as "I'm angry news is delayed" cause there are so many people here that get angry over that kind of thing.** Just think this is such a PR move, when this is clearly to help themselves. This shouts either we weren't ready or we don't want the news to be over shadowed by the protests.*** I'm not angry or anything just find it funny how many people eat this up.
    How on earth is delaying this helping the black community.* Did the say they were donating any of their billions to help the cause.* Did they allow their employees time off to protest?*

    This is nothing but your personal assertion to inject the issue in this forum.
    STOP PLEASE!!!!
    drewst18
    I figured my stance would be taken as "I'm angry news is delayed" cause there are so many people here that get angry over that kind of thing.** Just think this is such a PR move, when this is clearly to help themselves. This shouts either we weren't ready or we don't want the news to be over shadowed by the protests.*** I'm not angry or anything just find it funny how many people eat this up.

    We have much more important things to worry about right now than internet score-keeping the press releases by billion-dollar companies.
    Maybe it is a cheap PR win for EA - it's not really unheard of for companies to piggyback social causes when they deem it expedient for their balance sheets - but honestly, who the **** cares?
    EA should at minimum be commended for making a difficult choice to postpone what was probably a carefully-crafted PR blitz and correctly recognizing they should not compete for attention with this ongoing national crisis. What's happening literally outside my apartment - I live in Los Angeles County, currently under curfew, and have friends living downtown who are watching the protests and riots unfold from their windows - is much more important than football video games.
    Just give the cynicism a rest for one god damn minute, please.
    CM Hooe
    I live in Los Angeles County, currently under curfew, and have friends living downtown who are watching the protests and riots unfold from their windows .

    Ditto. I live in Compton. There would be no positive way to spin a Madden reveal amid this chaos in the wake of George Floyd's murder. EA's decision was the right one.
    CM Hooe
    We have much more important things to worry about right now than internet score-keeping the press releases by billion-dollar companies.
    Maybe it is a cheap PR win for EA - it's not really unheard of for companies to piggyback social causes when they deem it expedient for their balance sheets - but honestly, who the **** cares?
    EA should at minimum be commended for making a difficult choice to postpone what was probably a carefully-crafted PR blitz and correctly recognizing they should not compete for attention with this ongoing national crisis. What's happening literally outside my apartment - I live in Los Angeles County, currently under curfew, and have friends living downtown who are watching the protests and riots unfold from their windows - is much more important than football video games.
    Just give the cynicism a rest for one god damn minute, please.

    LA under curfew? On top of the stay at home orders? SMH. EA is insignificant to the rest of the world; relatively few people in the US play the game or care about it. The NFL on the other hand is a different story. Seeing as how Good Morning Football has a dedication to the cause and effects of the current topic of police actions, I am more inclined to believe EA took heed of what the NFL was focusing towards.
    I also agree that PR was considered by EA.
    Could also be related to the fact that most of the people who would have watched the reveal were already aware of the info that was to be revealed, minus some details.
    If we halted business and every day life and living due to an injustice, nothing would get done.
    drewst18
    I don't care about the news being delayed.* Its that they're making it seem like they're delaying it to support the black community.
    I figured my stance would be taken as "I'm angry news is delayed" cause there are so many people here that get angry over that kind of thing.** Just think this is such a PR move, when this is clearly to help themselves. This shouts either we weren't ready or we don't want the news to be over shadowed by the protests.*** I'm not angry or anything just find it funny how many people eat this up.
    How on earth is delaying this helping the black community.* Did the say they were donating any of their billions to help the cause.* Did they allow their employees time off to protest?*

    I agree with this 100%. If there are no actions to show the support to the community then I look at it as PR spin to cover up not necessarily being ready to begin the advertising. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and see if they put their money where their mouth is but my first thoughts mirrored yours.
    I agree with EA postponing whatever underwhelming news they had planned for today in light of our current social crisis. And while that PR statement they put out in support of the community was clearly heavily sanitized (as to not tick off the portion of their customer base who will surely side with police brutality), it's better than nothing.
    CM Hooe
    We have much more important things to worry about right now than internet score-keeping the press releases by billion-dollar companies.
    Maybe it is a cheap PR win for EA - it's not really unheard of for companies to piggyback social causes when they deem it expedient for their balance sheets - but honestly, who the **** cares?
    EA should at minimum be commended for making a difficult choice to postpone what was probably a carefully-crafted PR blitz and correctly recognizing they should not compete for attention with this ongoing national crisis. What's happening literally outside my apartment - I live in Los Angeles County, currently under curfew, and have friends living downtown who are watching the protests and riots unfold from their windows - is much more important than football video games.
    Just give the cynicism a rest for one god damn minute, please.

    I agree with you on this. Right now with so much going on in the world nitpicking EA seems a little petty to me. If EA had of went ahead with their plans then some of the same people would be calling EA insensitive and just out for money. Madden is far from a prefect game and lord know it can use some adjustments here and there. But for many of use it’s a fun game and an escape from some of the bull crap going on in the World. Sorry if I got off subject and if you need to delete my post I understand but I am sick of all the negativity surrounding Madden
    Alright so we covered it- smart move to postpone the reveal today.
    Something I think we jumped over too quickly was the release date getting pushed back. M19 was August 10. M20 was August 2. M21 is apparently August 25.
    That's a significant change. It could have something to do with the pandemic or next gen content they need to push out, but this is significant because it means the first major patch... and we all know there is going to be a need for one just like every other year... will come in mid/late September after the season has started.
    They gotta do what they gotta do, but I'm disappointed in the later launch. It's been nice having the new game to play during the preseason the last couple years.
    PhillyPhanatic14
    Alright so we covered it- smart move to postpone the reveal today.
    Something I think we jumped over too quickly was the release date getting pushed back. M19 was August 10. M20 was August 2. M21 is apparently August 25.
    That's a significant change. It could have something to do with the pandemic or next gen content they need to push out, but this is significant because it means the first major patch... and we all know there is going to be a need for one just like every other year... will come in mid/late September after the season has started.
    They gotta do what they gotta do, but I'm disappointed in the later launch. It's been nice having the new game to play during the preseason the last couple years.

    In an ideal world, the 3 extra weeks of dev time would be used to fix the bugs that would need to be covered by a major patch 3 weeks after release.
    But, EA gonna EA.
    They should postpone it as long as they can. They could probably sell more copies if they would show absolutely no gameplay or reveal any details. Showing gameplay could only lead to fewer sales than they otherwise would get.
    RearNakedChoke
    They should postpone it as long as they can. They could probably sell more copies if they would show absolutely no gameplay or reveal any details. Showing gameplay could only lead to fewer sales than they otherwise would get.
    Didn't that happen with Madden 17 where there was virtually no gameplay or features being announced until the week prior to release?
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    drewst18
    Let me preface by saying I really don't care either way news, no news. It was probably not going to be anything overly important anyway.
    If EA is going to come out and pretend that they're behind the black community by not releasing their news they better back it up with significant action.* This screams were not ready to release this and let's use this as our out.* I'm fine with the message but not releasing news does not show any solidarity it is making a mockery of the protests.* Actions are what show solidarity in this time, what are they doing to help.* This is such a PR scheme and it's embarrassing and appalling unless we see some action here.

    Here is the significant action you were looking for.
    https://www.ea.com/news/ea-actions-against-racial-injustice
    We’re contributing $1 million to organizations dedicated to the fight for racial justice in the U.S. and against discrimination around the world. Beginning with the Equal Justice Initiative, the NAACP Legal Defense & Educational Fund, and with more partners to come, we are deepening our support of organizations working to stop systemic racial injustice, fight discrimination and protect human rights in the U.S. and beyond. In addition to our company contribution, we’ll double match any funds that you donate to these and any other local organizations through our YourCause program during the month of June.
    In addition to supporting these organizations, driving change needs action from us all. The biggest impact can often be felt at local levels, and we encourage everyone to safely get involved. To that end, we’re launching a new program to give everyone in the company an additional paid day each year to apply to volunteering in your community. With all of our employees around the world, that will represent more than 75,000 hours applied to the change we can make. In the coming days, we’ll share a list of volunteer activities focused on fighting racial injustice, most of which can be undertaken from home while we still follow pandemic health guidelines. Then, on June 19, we will celebrate the Juneteenth holiday with an additional company-wide volunteering day, and participate in forums and virtual activities organized by our Black Electronic Arts Team ERG. We’ll share more details on all of this next week.
    On June 9, we’re holding a Community Conversation open to the entire company.
    roadman
    Here is the significant action you were looking for.
    https://www.ea.com/news/ea-actions-against-racial-injustice
    We’re contributing $1 million to organizations dedicated to the fight for racial justice in the U.S. and against discrimination around the world. Beginning with the Equal Justice Initiative, the NAACP Legal Defense & Educational Fund, and with more partners to come, we are deepening our support of organizations working to stop systemic racial injustice, fight discrimination and protect human rights in the U.S. and beyond. In addition to our company contribution, we’ll double match any funds that you donate to these and any other local organizations through our YourCause program during the month of June.
    In addition to supporting these organizations, driving change needs action from us all. The biggest impact can often be felt at local levels, and we encourage everyone to safely get involved. To that end, we’re launching a new program to give everyone in the company an additional paid day each year to apply to volunteering in your community. With all of our employees around the world, that will represent more than 75,000 hours applied to the change we can make. In the coming days, we’ll share a list of volunteer activities focused on fighting racial injustice, most of which can be undertaken from home while we still follow pandemic health guidelines. Then, on June 19, we will celebrate the Juneteenth holiday with an additional company-wide volunteering day, and participate in forums and virtual activities organized by our Black Electronic Arts Team ERG. We’ll share more details on all of this next week.
    On June 9, we’re holding a Community Conversation open to the entire company.

    This is a great move from EA, however, why does it take a tragedy of this magnitude to spur action towards a known issue.
    To be fair, and not picking on EA, but this is the case for many corporations out there that are acknowledging the problem and contributing funds, resources, etc..., to the cause.
    So, this is more of an "its about time" response, then "that a boy" kind of situation.
    Or better late than never.
    Or maybe they can inspire other companies to act too.
    In addition, we don't know where EA donates their money to behind the business curtain on a yearly basis.
    Other thoughts to consider.
    Either way, I posted the article because some people in this thread thought delaying the trailer was a PR stunt and wanted EA to show, don't tell and looks like they did show.
    roadman
    Or better late than never.
    Or maybe they can inspire other companies to act too.
    In addition, we don't know where EA donates their money to behind the business curtain on a yearly basis.
    Other thoughts to consider.
    Either way, I posted the article because some people in this thread thought delaying the trailer was a PR stunt and wanted EA to show, don't tell and looks like they did show.
    .
    Thanks for sharing that information. Some people on here act like EA is the evil empire or something.
    roadman
    Here is the significant action you were looking for.
    https://www.ea.com/news/ea-actions-against-racial-injustice
    We’re contributing $1 million to organizations dedicated to the fight for racial justice in the U.S. and against discrimination around the world. Beginning with the Equal Justice Initiative, the NAACP Legal Defense & Educational Fund, and with more partners to come, we are deepening our support of organizations working to stop systemic racial injustice, fight discrimination and protect human rights in the U.S. and beyond. In addition to our company contribution, we’ll double match any funds that you donate to these and any other local organizations through our YourCause program during the month of June.
    In addition to supporting these organizations, driving change needs action from us all. The biggest impact can often be felt at local levels, and we encourage everyone to safely get involved. To that end, we’re launching a new program to give everyone in the company an additional paid day each year to apply to volunteering in your community. With all of our employees around the world, that will represent more than 75,000 hours applied to the change we can make. In the coming days, we’ll share a list of volunteer activities focused on fighting racial injustice, most of which can be undertaken from home while we still follow pandemic health guidelines. Then, on June 19, we will celebrate the Juneteenth holiday with an additional company-wide volunteering day, and participate in forums and virtual activities organized by our Black Electronic Arts Team ERG. We’ll share more details on all of this next week.
    On June 9, we’re holding a Community Conversation open to the entire company.

    That's great to hear! Now ban Volterax for his comments and this won't look hypocritical.
    Milticket
    Hmmm...we'll see. Player movement, physics & weight needs a massive overhaul. I doubt that's coming any time soon. Hard to believe Back Breaker still has the best around. So many things....
    None the less, I'm listening

    Is Backbreaker worth the few bucks it costs?
    The Black Redneck
    .
    Thanks for sharing that information. Some people on here act like EA is the evil empire or something.

    Nah, they just are trying to make a game that appeals to the entire consumer base because they are literally the only product available. If there were other options, EA could focus on a niche. Perhaps this 2K development will help with that, but I doubt it.
    A_ZomBevo
    Didn't that happen with Madden 17 where there was virtually no gameplay or features being announced until the week prior to release?
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    You're thinking of Madden 18. But, yeah, IIRC, gameplay wasn't shown until release was two or three weeks away.
    UFCMPunk
    That's great to hear! Now ban Volterax for his comments and this won't look hypocritical.

    Can't seem to easily find anything on this guy and I'm too lazy to look through this thread. Care to educate me on the topic?
    ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
    Can't seem to easily find anything on this guy and I'm too lazy to look through this thread. Care to educate me on the topic?

    I'd post the pic but it'd violate TOS. He sent some very racist texts to another Madden player.
    ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
    Can't seem to easily find anything on this guy and I'm too lazy to look through this thread. Care to educate me on the topic?

    If you go to Ryan Moody's channel he talks about it and shows the comments used by him.
    UFCMPunk
    If you go to Ryan Moody's channel he talks about it and shows the comments used by him.

    Was that all from 3 years ago because that is all I could find?
    Thanks.
    PeoplesChampGB
    I'd post the pic but it'd violate TOS. He sent some very racist texts to another Madden player.

    I see. Well, tens of thousands of racist “people” would boycott Madden if they dared ban a guy who did that. It’s absurd, isn’t it? This is our time. This is out sad legacy.
    jmurphy31
    Any word from EA when we might get some information. Is there an EA play this year.
    EA play was scheduled for next week, has been delayed a week to the 18th.
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    beau21
    Ravens' player reactions to cover. Sounds like it may be a different look that recent history, which I would welcome. Not that covers matter - but it doesn't hurt for it to be nicely done :)
    https://twitter.com/thecheckdown/status/1272620911569645574?s=20
    I really hope they have an actual wild dog on the cover with Lamar lol Also, going to need Lamar to chill with the jumping over jet skis while being on the cover of Madden
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    So when they say full reveal tomorrow. What are we all expecting to actually see.
    Trailer?
    Gameplay?
    Features and breakdowns?
    Game Changer Videos?
    Developer Interviews?
    jmurphy31
    So when they say full reveal tomorrow. What are we all expecting to actually see.
    Trailer?
    Gameplay?
    Features and breakdowns?
    Game Changer Videos?
    Developer Interviews?

    They are going to talk about it more on the GMM stream shortly after the trailer reveal. I would guess they’re saving most of that for EA Play Thursday night.
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    jpdavis82
    They are going to talk about it more on the GMM stream shortly after the trailer reveal. I would guess they’re saving most of that for EA Play Thursday night.
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    1 thing that might be fun for ps5 is when u pick your fav team the game loads in to your stadiums while maddan has always done a great job getting on the field graphts now its time to get your team locker room pra place coach office etc
    jpdavis82
    They are going to talk about it more on the GMM stream shortly after the trailer reveal. I would guess they’re saving most of that for EA Play Thursday night.
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    Got ya. Kind of would be a little weak saying it's a full reveal then saving most for EA play. But if I remember correctly doesnt EA play tend to focus on the more non sports games and such.
    jmurphy31
    Got ya. Kind of would be a little weak saying it's a full reveal then saving most for EA play. But if I remember correctly doesnt EA play tend to focus on the more non sports games and such.

    Not really, they had a full show about Madden 20 last year at EA Play. Maybe they’re having it tomorrow and focusing on next gen at EA Play.
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    Looked back and found last years "Madden 20 Full Reveal" on youtube. It was just over 26 minutes. Had the following talking points highlighted on the side
    Face of Franchise
    Scenario Engine
    Playbooks
    Ultimate Missions
    XFactor Abilities
    Mahomes abilities (throwing 80 yards, etc)
    Donald abilities
    Signature animations (6-7 qbs currently and were going to add more, did they though)
    Gameplay mechanics
    New plays
    Things they talked about in addition to the side items)
    NFL Draft presentation
    Playing the ProBowl
    Gameplay (RPO added, new playbooks added)
    They brought in 2 developers. Didnt touch on franchise mode at all. Did show a bunch of game play to show off xfactors.
    jmurphy31
    Looked back and found last years "Madden 20 Full Reveal" on youtube. It was just over 26 minutes. Had the following talking points highlighted on the side
    Face of Franchise
    Scenario Engine
    Playbooks
    Ultimate Missions
    XFactor Abilities
    Mahomes abilities (throwing 80 yards, etc)
    Donald abilities
    Signature animations (6-7 qbs currently and were going to add more, did they though)
    Gameplay mechanics
    New plays
    Things they talked about in addition to the side items)
    NFL Draft presentation
    Playing the ProBowl
    Gameplay (RPO added, new playbooks added)
    They brought in 2 developers. Didnt touch on franchise mode at all. Did show a bunch of game play to show off xfactors.

    The scenario engine and NFL draft presentation are franchise mode. You said they didn’t touch on it at all, that’s literally about all they did with FM last year.
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    jpdavis82
    The scenario engine and NFL draft presentation are franchise mode. You said they didn’t touch on it at all, that’s literally about all they did with FM last year.
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    I stand corrected. You are right. Except the draft was talking about Face of the franchise mode. Not actual franchise mode
    They spent about 15 seconds on scenarios. The guy mentioned a new scenario mode that you have quests or challenges each week and you can improve your players and ratings. Then that was the whole thing. They did mention to go to tje franchise blog to read more about it.
    They also mentioned the pro bowl. But they talk about playing it while the game is loading so you try out the xfactors.
    Here's the thing that concerns me. And I might be way off. But just from the way it sounds, it has me curious.
    When they say you can upgrade to the PS5 or Series X edition from the current gen games, how does that work? Do you get a whole new game? A code for the game? Or is the game so similar that it's just done through a patch?
    So basically I'm just wondering if the game will be so similar from current to next-gen that it will only require a patch.
    Just a thought. I could be way off.
    I wonder whether they will focus marketing on next gen or a mixture. 2k seems to have primary focus on next gen. I didn't play 2k14, but I believe the last gen version got small improvements over 2k13, but major focus was next gen. Seems like that will continue with 2k21. Same as Madden 25, I didn't play it. But it looks like the current gen version was just a better visual port of the last gen version. Hopefully that snippet from the Inside Xbox was current gen, because that looked like Madden 20 with better lighting. Wish they would build from ground up.
    Every year feels like the year they will make big changes to franchise. Since Madden 18, the biggest things have been Frostbite, attempts at a Career Mode, Superstar KO, and Scenario engine as the main non-game features. I want to say that Madden was building towards next gen. But I do feel Face of Franchise will be a big emphasis because career modes like MyCareer and RTTS are big cash cows for their games. But I am still holding on to Coach Carousel finally being in this year.
    The BIG question will be is. Will we hear excuses why things weren’t added. I’m really thinking we’re going to hear “ due to the Corona virus we couldn’t add as much as we hoped for this year “ I really Hope that is not the case, but every year we hear it.
    PVarck31
    Here's the thing that concerns me. And I might be way off. But just from the way it sounds, it has me curious.
    When they say you can upgrade to the PS5 or Series X edition from the current gen games, how does that work? Do you get a whole new game? A code for the game? Or is the game so similar that it's just done through a patch?
    So basically I'm just wondering if the game will be so similar from current to next-gen that it will only require a patch.
    Just a thought. I could be way off.

    Gotta imagine you either get a download code for the game, or your console manufacturer somehow knows you've bought it on a Gen-4 console (especially if you purchase digitally) and just has the game waiting for you to download the first time you connect your Gen-5 console to the internet.
    I have to imagine also that the consoles are different enough that the process of creating a build for each machine is significantly unique compared to its previous-generation counterpart that calling the next-gen version of the game a "patch" would be technically inaccurate. That's not to say the Gen-4 and Gen-5 games won't play similarly, though; honestly, I think they generally will be, similar to how Madden 25 was handled.
    Hopefully the graphical leap and art direction in Madden 21 next-gen is better than what Madden 25 on XBOX One offered; that game looked dated at launch and has visually aged very poorly.
    Have fun everyone. You can see the trailer here:
    https://www.madden-school.com/madden-21-trailer-released-and-new-features-like-x-factor-2-0-and-face-of-the-franchise-rise-to-fame/
    Madden NFL 21 delivers new features and modes including:
    Face of the Franchise – Rise to Fame: Rise to fame and become immortalized in Madden NFL 21 as you transcend NFL history and shape your own path to greatness.
    Take Control: Master innovative running enhancements and live playbooks to run up the score in Madden NFL 21.
    *X-Factor 2.0: New X-Factor abilities, fresh out of the lab, are designed to elevate the stars of a new generation in Madden NFL 21.

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