Madden NFL 21 Classic Franchise News Coming on June 30?

what is classic franchise ??

This is going to be interesting. What sort of split between Face of the Franchise and Classic Franchise are we expecting?
I'd imagine 80% FOTF and 20% Classic Franchise with a large portion of that filled with something like "the biggest change we have made this year is with accessibility. By changing the name to Classic Franchise our players now know and understand that this is different from FOTF. This is one of the biggest changes we have made in the past 5 years"

"Classic? Does that mean they'll be adding features that were in Franchise mode nearly two decades ago? That'd be a neat little back of the box blurb: "Take your game to the NEXT LEVEL with this THROWBACK to CLASSIC FRANCHISE featuring RETRO FEATURES like IMMERSION and DEPTH!"

I assume they just got tired of calling it CFM, which is fair.

More likely classic as in the same thing as always.
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This day is the deal breaker. Gameplay improvements sounded promising, but if nothings changed in Franchise it’s a no for me dawg

Classic franchise gives me the impression they are adding back everything we used to have.
I know that’s not gonna be the case but it seems like a weird thing to call it. Or it could be classic 360 franchise mode where it’s basically nothing lol.

What I fully expect
Face of the Franchise is back and better than ever with all new improvements in ______ and _____. You won’t believe _______ and you’ve never seen ____ like this before. This is the most immersive franchise experience Madden has ever offered and brings the NFL experience to life with _______ we cant wait for you to try it out, but that’s not all, transfer your FOTF to MUT and build your own player card!!
For those of you still interested in Classic Franchise we are bringing our most popular game mode back in Madden 21.
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This reads exactly like a press release!

Looking forward to this. This will be the decision day for me. I like what was talked about in the gameplay stream today but I've still gotta play it for myself. I just hope something meaningful was added to Franchise this year. I'm really not sure what I'm looking for because there's a list. But I'd LIKE to see a new more in depth scouting system and just more immersion related stuff in the mode.
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Did they not promise last year that since franchise was mostly untouched last year that this year was going to be a big year for it? I swear there’s a video out there. But then again, they’ve been saying this since Madden 07 LOL

No it was untouched in 19, last year was the big upgrade year. Wouldn’t expect anything major besides the coaching carousel they wanted to get in last year supposedly

Huh? What was added last year? The shell of a falsely advertised scenario engine?
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Realistically and not trying to shovel on EA, I would imagine it'll actually be a good chunk of how much "deeper" FoF is (with the extended Pre-NFL sequence and the deeper scenarios you can find yourself in once in the NFL) while the main thing they touch upon with regards to regular Franchise is the Scenario Engine 2.0 which will just be a set of new scenarios that won't really be that exciting. Maybe the menu presentation will be different? Maybe we'll see some new "news" type section that can react to the Scenario Engine. Maybe some tweaking to the XP progression system.
I'll be shocked if we get anything that remotely helps immersion like Coaching Staffs or better presentation. I'm sure we'll be seeing the same half baked Half Time show and boring Playoff/Super Bowl presentations we've had for years.

they bring most popular mode is Franchise mode back.. they need add some new features to franchise mode : coaching carousel, revamp scouting and other anything else

Scenario engine, live coach backgrounds, player abilities was touted as a franchise feature, new depth chart, new specialty positions, hidden dev trait till a certain number of snaps played, I want to say they said something about realistic contracts but not sure about that one.
I mean it’s all marketing speak don’t take anything they say as a promise.

Or my personal favorite preseason mini camp

- Breakout Scenarios to improve player dev trait
- various coach mode events via Scenario Engine (off the top of my head: veteran mentor, frustrated skill player, bye week handling, playoffs; certainly more variety here would be welcome, but these all objectively were new things)
- 5th-year option coach mode scenario for first-round draft picks (via title update)
- removed dev trait regression (which apparently was a major complaint of the Madden 19 player base? I don't necessarily agree with this but whatever)
- XP gain / player progression tuning (I understand you hate XP player progression, but as someone who actually enjoys it and pays attention to how it works, it's better in M20 than in M19)
- hidden dev traits for rookies
- player regression tuning
- player contract demands tuning (again, it's far better than M19; still needs more work, IMO)
- draft class generator tuning
- playable Pro Bowl
- added via title update various commissioner controls to curtail rogue users from ruining online leagues

they also need revamp simulation engine to make realistic stats and standing record too. i simulated season. i see Redskins won super bowl in Madden 20 is pretty stupid

I'm reasonably sure the 3D environment which serves as the background for all the franchise menus was added in Madden 19.

I'm glad that the wait between news won't be that long. Definitely a deciding factor for many people.
Wondering if they are going away from the CFM name since Josh Looman left.
While I'm not really interested in Current gen news since I'm not playing until next gen, I am definitely looking forward to it

Madden games for current gen : xbox one and PS4 are very disappointing for Franchise mode that EA barely improve it better.. Madden 2003,2004,2005,2006 were great football games because franchise mode was best mode in those years on ps2

You forgot to mention the scenerio engine is one-sided, resulting in user controlled players gaining a huge advantage over an already challenged cpu ai. And I believe notvall those scenerios were available at launch. Pretty sure 5th year options was added much later.
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IIRC, they hadn't used the "Connected" Franchise name in a while. Maybe around M17 or M18 they went back to just calling it Franchise?

Yes, I'm glad that we're getting this out the way early, so folk can know sooner rather than later if they're peacing out on Madden 21.

Overall really bad. Everything is half baked.

What exactly classic franchise constitutes is the only thing remotely interesting so far about Madden 21 to me.
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So far, some of the game play features have me curious to try on my own during beta.

I think Face pf the Franchise is the new franchise mode going forward. Classic Franchise might be the legacy franchise mode. Or maybe they have plans to blow out Franchise for next gen.
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Thank you... I was typing a similar post until I saw yours. 5th yr options are a joke. They promised them in July and they didn't come until November. Even then you don't know the salary number and every time the scenario says "Player X barely saw the field last year" ... even if they were your starting QB and won MVP and the Super Bowl..... It's classic EA pretending to implement something but really just caring so little about franchise that they couldn't take an extra 30 minutes and make it work correctly. The same can be said for nearly all of the "features" they added last year.

I think we are all getting too excited by “classic” franchise. It likely just means Fotf is there, or you can play in the more traditional method. I doubt it means they brought anything back.
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A few of you are reading way too much into the word "classic." They just mean franchise mode.

I didn't think about that. It could be a distinction between current gen franchise (classic) and next gen franchise

I think "classic" is their way of saying FoF got the dev time and real franchise is the same as it's been for years, with no meaningful additions yet again. We'll see though. On a scale of 0 to 100, I am at a solid 0 for expecting them to actually show that they care about the mode. They haven't in years. Why would they when they're already focused on next gen this year?

This is kinda where I am too. I'm a naturally optimistic person but I'm not holding my breath this time. This way if my expectations are met I can be happy. If not, it's just a meh whatever. Kind of deal. I'm excited to see/experience more of the actual game play but that's about it if I'm being honest.
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Perhaps classic franchise is a mode you can just jump in and play any game without having to create an owner, coach, player, trainer, cheerleader or team doctor??:y220::y220::y220:

There is no point to this post other than stir up the thread.
Please stop posting these types of posts. I know you want Madden to be better, but this isn't helping anything and isn't constructive.

Is that not a valid possibility? There is actually a much higher probability of that being the case then them adding old features back as has been the other point of view.
I think we have all been around the block with Madden enough to know better. I was mr positivity with Madden for a decade on this board. But reality is what it is.

I would say maybe they are going to do a "Classic Coke" and go back to a winning formula, and then I remembered that Madden franchise never really had one to begin with.

My words exactly. This is what I thought immediately after reading the word "classic".

Without even reading through the thread:
“Classic” means for all you old farts who still play this mode.
We are now the classic Madden fans.

They probably just switched it up, like NBA 2K has “Traditional GM Mode”.

Please do t get me started on why madden doesn’t have a “My League” feature where you can easily take the nfl and control every aspect of every team.

Not going to get my hopes up. Face of the Franchise most likely got all the attention and classic franchise mode maybe got a few more scenarios.

We’ll find out Tuesday, hopefully they under hype, over deliver. Unlikely
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Not expecting much for this year with next gen on the horizon.

The guy is right. 'Classic Franchise' in this scenario simply means 'Not Face of the Franchise'.

It could mean, CFM untouched. CFM becomes classic, OLD franchise that never gets any new features. It's now CLASSIC (STATIC).

His was just as constructive as any other speculation on Classic Franchise.

I miss the newspaper headlines and screenshots back in the PS2 days.

Sounds good to me.
IMO, it is abundantly clear what needs to happen with franchise;
Either dive deep....... REALLY deep... or just strip it down to the barest minimum (pre-season, regular season, draft, offseason) without poorly executed, lifeless 'personality'
I'm still of the belief that franchise could be marketed and sold as a standalone Madden brand.. but if they're not gonna do that, they need to get it where they want it and leave it alone, rather than allowing it to be a corpse continually knocking against their hull.

Yup. I'm now a classic Madden player.

They did during the ps2 Era. It's hard to remember sometimes but Madden set the bar for Franchise modes as whole in sports games.
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Halfway (actually more than halfway) expecting it to not even relate to Franchise MODE, but actually be an MUT mode based around classic NFL franchises lol I might take a ten-year break from the series after that news.

They still do for online leagues.
My multiplayer online franchises in Madden 20 have endured longer than they ever have in any NFL football game previous, and at least part of that is that Tiburon has made the mode more engaging, more focused, and - well - better over time. Really the only enduring rival for online feature set IMO is NCAA Football 14.
Madden franchise mode is admittedly still dry as hell in a single player setting, though. Hopefully that changes over time.

There will be refined progression/regression, draft class enhancements, statistical refining etc. basically, minor under the hood things
That’s my guess.
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The franchise community can be so easily pleased by EA at this point. The bar is so low that even the smallest genuine upgrades would sit big in our hearts.
1. Coaching carousel
2. Scouting depth
3. Improved scenario engines
That’s it. Can a brother get those few things? I can tweak the rest myself.

Honestly that's all it would take for me to upgrade so yeah
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I expect there to be one big new addition.

For people who have reconciled the reality of what resource allocation is for Classic Franchise mode now those would be a good get, for a lot of folks though they've gone all in on relentlessly ****ting on the mode 24/7 so that wouldn't be near enough.

Not necessarily. I've finally crossed over to the Dark Side in the last couple of weeks, but those 3 things the poster you cited mentioned would make me buy M21 in an instant.

My main thing is that I hope this isn't just another year with 1-2 "Top Community Requests" because resources allocated to Face of Franchise and other modes. The numbers are there that a lot of people play Franchise and Franchise is one of the top videos for content creators, so it would be nice for that mode to get love.
At least for Next gen, there needs to be a big overall and facelift for the mode.

Yeah exactly! As one of those content creators myself who focuses solely on Franchise mode I would love to see the mode get some much needed support and care and...well love from EA. I've only been on YouTube for about 8-9 months now though so still learning.
Cause as it stands right now, I'm probably gonna stick with Madden 20. And I don't know if that's gonna hurt or help me personally as a content creator but I feel like if it's not a big enough leap...why support it?
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It's hard for people to accept, and some never will, but 1-2 "Top Community Requests" is more than likely the permanent annual resource allocation level for Franchise.

This should be where they announce if more college teams are playable? There are supposed to be high school teams, too?

That's what I'm expecting. Face of the Franchise seems to be the big focus. Their user data likely doesn't support a major resource investment in regular/classic Franchise mode to appease us offline dinosaurs anymore lol.

Just my opinion, I think EA needs to scrap  the whole XP system and go back to the traditional player development. The whole RPG element is such a turn off for me and I’d prefer players to improve on their own dynamically due to whatever trait they have. I’m definitely interested in what they have to talk about on the 30th but I will also keep my expectations at a realistic level. Who knows, they might shock us and show off franchise improvements. 

They capitalized Classic Franchise, sounds like a new mode separate from CFM, probably offline only.

I get and understand that. In general terms, Franchise modes don't sell sports games like they use too. Sure you have your diehard hardcore sports fan who want the full sports mode experience, but nowadays its the Online H2H, UT/MyTeam Collectable modes, Career Modes, and E-Sports model. So, its not realistic to believe that Franchise will get permanent annual resource allocation.
I would be okay with that 1-2 Top Community Requests each year if Franchise was at a high level. Like, if NBA 2k were to do that with MyLeague(which they haven't really added much in the last couple years). MyLeague is deep enough and covers enough that adding 1-2 Community Requests wouldn't be received poorly because at least you're adding to a deep mode. Franchise isn't at that level. Most of these "Top Community Requests" they add in are more of a "Quality of Life" improvement. Nothing is a game-changer, just requests that are nice to have. Those additions don't really bring in users to the mode. The problem with adding in big requests, is that most of them require to almost change the core of Franchise. You can't just slap in Coach Carousel like you can add in Draft Boards, Pro-Bowl, Custom Draft Classes current CFM. While it is hard to pin point what the "Top Community Requests" are, but I'm sure Coach Carousel has been up there since NCAA 13, or revamped Scouting, or Draft Logic.
With the start of New Generation around the corner, this is the time to at the very least lay down the foundation to add those hardcore top requests within a 2-3 years. Then after that you can focus on just adding the "Top Community Quests. For me that starts with giving the mode a facelift and changing the core AI Logic of mode while adding in something like Coach Carousel and Revamped Scouting. Then build from there

It might be a small thing to some, but I would love to see the return of restricted/unrestricted free agency.

You also have to remember the reasons behind the bar being set that low and those things you listed compared to the rate and level that features have been implemented into "classic" franchise in recent years makes it look more like the age-old "3-year plan" than anything we would realistically see in one cycle.

Honestly, I'd be way more excited than I should be just to have long-standing issues with player cards addressed:

• Adding teams played for under the Career Stats tab
  
• Adding cumulative career stats to player cards
  
• Adding opponent names and listing performances in chronological order under the Season Stats tab
  
• Maybe even adding transaction and injury histories for each player (even if they only start to get filled in once you start your Franchise)
  

The fact that we don't have any of this or any historical data for the franchise is just......
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It is one of the most bizarre things in the age of Connected Careers/Connected Franchise/Classic Franchise (?). The fact that you cannot load up the player details page and see the teams a player played for in past seasons. That you cannot see past champions. Just wild. A complete immersion break once you're past year one of a franchise.
And you better watch yourself, XD. Seems like you're walking on thin ice with every post these days lol.

Interesting word choice by EA, but not going to get my hopes up. I can pretty much guarantee that whatever Franchise mode they put out will not be up to my standards, and my standards are not even all that unrealistic. Everything I want in franchise mode has already been done in other sports games, with a majority of those having been in previous Madden titles already.
Outside of how easy it has been to run the ball the last 3+ years in the series, the gameplay has been more than good enough for me, personally, but what keeps me away is the franchise mode being so vanilla. The progression/'regression is the worst around, there is little in the mode that makes the league feel alive, there is no historical stat tracking, and so on.
Until EA puts a focus on the mode again, I will continue to try the game out via Origin Premier, but I'll hardly put too many hours into it. I had a couple hundred hours in Madden 19, but a huge part of that was simply when we were learning all of the modding tools and what values did what on the field. I got a few years into a franchise with a buddy then, but it died because of how barren the mode is.

Why can they not create a team to only work on “classic” franchise?

Absurd... especially when The Show and NBA 2k have offered those features and more for years now. However, there's a slim chance we might get some surprisingly good news on the 30th

Especially since the career stats tab already functions properly on the main menu roster management screen. Surely, at least a few of those Franchise player card fixes would be straightforward, right?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see so much more information in Franchise be archived (way beyond just player card information), but we need o start somewhere, I guess.

Not sure if anyone has listened to this: https://30for30podcasts.com/episodes/maddens-game/
It's a 30 for 30 podcast on Madden Football. It's crazy how involved John Madden was and how his passion was authenticity. I think we're definitely seeing a focus on that with gameplay and playbooks the last few years, but in Franchise it's just not even close. I can't imagine that Madden himself would be too pleased with where that part of the game is at if he knew how barebones it is.

Prediction:
Classic franchise will either be cfm with just a completely redesigned UI or they will bring everything back from the madden 2005 franchise days except for the best feature the create a stadium.

I'd actually be okay with that lol. Id take a modernized version of Madden 05's franchise mode tossed in with a couple of "new" features.

Hopefully it's the removal of XP!

But if it's now "Classic Franchise Mode," it's still CFM. :google:

My guess is it means they're planning on phasing it out and replacing it with some form of Face of the Franchise/Longshot. I'm sure it will remain as an option, with very little by way of updates, as I am suspecting their goal is to replace it with the aforementioned modes.
Fortunately, in the PC version as of right now you can start a Longshot game and then once you begin your career you can change your character to non-user controlled, which makes him just a normal player, which allows you to play Franchise as the team with the player you created (instead of having to play one side of the ball, being limited in what you can do on the field and off, etc. Oh, this is only possible with the Franchise Editor, which is not created by EA).

I think some people are going to be severely disappointed unfortunately.

It was fine for the times, but not many read newspapers anymore, so, maybe a Twitter feed some day. lol

TBH most of these are the same thing - updated Scenarios.
I believe the Franchise crowd would prefer to scrap most of the Scenario engine and replace it with broadcast style presentation that brings life to the Franchise (something like what another game once did which included weekly highlights around the league); presentation that reflects what is going on in your Franchise (such as, week one of 2032 mentioning that you're playing against the defending Super Bowl champions; in other words, presentation that remembers what has happened in your league); adding NFL offensive and defensive coordinators; adding real contract mechanics. That sort of thing.

We pretty much have a Twitter Feed. It's just a jumbled mess that carries over previous season's news. Should have at least stayed with the Madden 15 UI or formatted it in a traditional news layout .
From the ground up, Franchise needs a facelift with new UI

You're right about the Franchise UI. The coach cutscenes were welcome at first, but they get stale quickly and I can't imagine they're the best use of resources and space.
I'd prefer something closer to what FIFA or NHL currently has. I like how FIFA, in particular, integrates user screenshots in the top right (similar to what Madden does now with the TV in the coach's office). A ticker (similar to the one found in NBA 2K) would finish things off perfectly.

Classic is a relabeling of the franchise mode that has been in the game for many years now. My prediction.

The locker room cut scenes were a cool concept, but half baked. They hyped it up as a lot more than what it turned out to be. It was a waste of resources. Yeah I rather have the NHL or Fifa UI. Now I wouldn't mind a locker room Cut scene before a game though for Pre-Game. Like coach in front of White Board drawing up plays or riling up the team.
I wish at times they use the ESPN license more other than advertising or the twitter handles for news feed. I get if they want their own broadcast package, but still could use ESPN or NFLN in other aspects of games.

LOL, I was being a bit sarcastic on the Twitter feed, I think it's buried somewhere. No more Skeeeeep Payless.

CFM will not most likely get much of anything on current gen but i wonder if the ps5 will start bare bones like madden 06 for the 360 or start with madden 20/21 user face and go from there
and ea better be happy i am not john madden
if i was i wouild demand it not be so arcade like
like going for it every 4th down online would have a .01 of working
no P as a qb in my own tournaments
i dont blame the programmers its the suits and i wouild tell the 'SUITS' if u dont make my game my way i will just go to 2k and take every current player with me have fun paying for every legend and loseing $$
that why i fear madden is not that involved any more they never should had took his voice out of the game

Changing the name to classic is going to be a foundation they use to build on the mode for years to come!

If they ever make the ticker in the Franchise hub useful with things like scores, stats, standings, and transactions, it'd be great if they gave it NFL.com or NFL Network branding.
Licensed broadcast packages would be great too, but I'd be content with multiple EA-branded packages designed to mimic real ones. Similar to what MLB The Show has had for a number of years.

Pro Bowl was a top community request. If it's more like that we're screwed. It just doesn't move the needle for me at all. I rarely saw it on here as a must have feature.
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It's more so one of those features that shouldn't have been taken out and certainly shouldn't be the big feature for a year.
It's crazy that a company with the slogan "if it's in the game, it's in the game" would remove a game that is played every season.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't care when it left and I don't really care that it came back, just the fact it needed to be a requested feature astounds me.

Agreed. Most of those "Top Community Requests" feel like additions that don't require that much resources or development. It was on most Wishlists. But it was something like Drafts Boards that was a nice convenience feature.
It's like they search through most Wishlists and see whats the common theme and it seems like a simple to implement, than that's what they focus. I would love Mock Drafts and Scouting Reports like there used to be in the PS2 days. But, not before other bigger Franchise features get in.

I agree. I would like a NFL.com news branding. Or something similar.
While I would like multiple broadcast, but I would take multiple EA broadcast package. I enjoyed the ESPN-CBS package in NCAA Basketball 10. But I would take multiple EA packages. At least a different one for MNF and TNF

This is reading WAY too far into something and you are setting yourself up for disappointment. It's just a name right now.
I get that we all want an amazing Franchise mode, but reading into the tea leaves and putting your hopes on that is not a good way to go about it. This is why people get irate when the features are revealed: unrealistic expectations.

This would make it so much better just adding that! It drives me crazy that there isn’t anyway to see where a player has played throughout his career when you’re years into a franchise. How about add a past Super Bowl champions page, past winners page. All of this was in prior maddens if I recall.
Some may say you can see how many Super Bowls a player or coach has one on the legacy page in the stat menu but that’s such a joke, you can’t even see the year in which they won or anything!
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Yea team names on player card is small but huge for franchise mode!!!Been asking for this for like 6 years now!!!

Yeah, I'm not putting much to it. We are just 3 days away, so I'm not going to speculate much. Can I see them going away from the "CFM" name? Yes I can see that. But don't want to set my self up for disappointment hoping for classic features.
When it comes Dual Entitlement, I do see most of what was done to Franchise transferring over. The description says progress in certain franchise modes points transferring over with "FF" and "F" in the picture. I can see only difference with Face of Franchise next gen being visual upgrades and maybe a different player creator. I don't see Online CFM with multiple users transferring over just because they know some will transition over to next gen slower than others. But I can see solo franchise transferring over to next gen. So i can see some of what is added to current gen Franchise reflecting what was done with next gen.
They didn't really go over AI. So I can see them tossing that into Franchise info. Wonder when they will transition over to Next Gen Info. Felt like a quick Turnaround to go from Gameplay this past Thursday to FF and Franchise this up coming Tuesday. I can see the XFacter 2.0 Deep Dive happening as early as next Friday 7/3 or following week. So after that, all they would have left for current gen would be really just MUT and Presentation/Misc. Could be after current Gen releases, But with Dual Entitlement, I don't see the harm of giving next Gen news early. Either people already have in their minds that they are going to wait until next gen to play(like me) or they buy at launch/sale and be assured that they have a next gen game already and just have current gen hold them over

Is he actually setting himself up to be disappointed? His post literally says he knows that isn't going to happen, so it seems his expectations are actually rather low.

C'mon, man, did you really need to nit-pick the post like that?
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I wasn't nitpicking. The original post straight up said he knew that the mode wasn't going to add everything back in, so his expectations actually weren't being set up high at all. I was only pointing out that it looked like Bronco read over that part of his post and didn't realize the guy wasn't actually expecting the mode to be completely revived.

Post-game locker room shots would be better IMHO. Especially post Conference championship or Super Bowl. Let me see that champagne.

just want to say youre exactly right and the guy quoting my post and telling you youre nitpicking are wrong.
i said the name Classic Franchise, makes it seem like they would be adding everything back, basically a marketing tool.
i then go on to literally say i know that wont happen

Off topic: Your username has intrigued me. What, pray tell, is a solidsquid?
On topic: Given how well the modding community has tweaked Franchise mode logic, I am seriously hoping actual new content will be added, even if it's unbalanced or poorly done, because the modders will be able to turn lead into at least silver if not gold.
Also really hoping the player creation tool is revamped. It was fairly widely requested for the face editor to be available for Franchise mode, so I suspect they might put it in this year. If not, no big deal, because people have found out on PC how to change a created player profile into a regular free agent free from the in game restrictions placed on the Player user role. EDIT- which means I'm really hoping for it to be improved, with more options, especially hair and tattoos and things like that.

I agree. We seen after a game the winning team celebrate and give the game ball. It would be nice to see post game cuts of lockroom scenes. Little things like add immersion.
The issue with presentation depth is mainly the priority of "Fast to fun". They want games to be fast and quick. I get taking out coin toss, walking up to line and other little things like that to speed up games. But for Franchise, I would like a lot more depth presentation wise.

I'll never forget that time you said "We are not the target demographic anymore."
That word "Classic" sounds like they are getting that final nail for the coffin lid ready. :frown:

This is my issue too. I get having the "fast and fun presentation" but in my mind fast presentation isn't fun it's uninspired and boring. They do some things fine as is but I need more depth in my presentation ESPECIALLY in Franchise mode because it's not there currently. Hell just have a toggle for fast/full presentation that way those who want to have the full experience can get it and be happy.
Other sports games do it. If you're trying to go "beyond the broadcast" you have the freedom to do that but you can't go there if your base presentation is wack to begin with.
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I agree.
The thing with Madden's Presentation is that it's almost tailor made for Online Play/Esports. "Fast and Fun is more suited for Competitive Settings where you want little to no distractions and for the game to go quick as possible. Even Play Now same can be said because either it's H2H, quick game, or you're testing things out. But for Franchise, I want the full presentation experience. I want that "Living Season". I'm not trying to rush through games in Franchise like you would in Online or Play Now. Like you said, have a toggles for those who want fast and Fun presentation. If I can recall, one of these sports game had a toggle like that in past where you can have limited presentation.
My thing is just that Franchise games feel like exhibition games. Outside of limited Franchise-specific commentary and banners, not much difference in feel between games. Especially Playoffs.

lol its nothing more than a play on Solid Snake from Metal Gear Solid

Right now, I'd be good with not having to create a character for 32 team control. 2k and The Show both have one button option to control. Just put it in there damn it!!
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You'd think franchise mode is important to people around here with there being 115 posts about a blog that hasn't dropped yet lol

They should at least do it for the Super Bowl and playoff games.

I assumed that is what you meant, but I can see how they may have misread it or saw the first part and replied to it without reading the rest of the post. Either way, Bronco has a point that people do set themselves up to be disappointed, but that doesn't apply to your post.

It is strange to me but I see so many suggestions for immersion involving on-the-field broadcasting, locker room stuff, celebrations after games, etc., but that doesn't bother me half as much as most of the statistical tracking and how bare bones some of it is.
And probably above the stat tracking to me would be the CPU logic. Both in and out of games. It is so outdated and broken. Those two fixes, which are no small feats, would go a long way towards improving my franchise experience.
edit: I don't expect EA to have any big fixes for any of this going forward though. Which is why I will continue to purchase Madden every 2-3 years, or maybe even spread that out further, because the year-to-year updates aren't worth it.

Is there a stream tomorrow or just the gridiron notes? Can anyone confirm?
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I would love all that life giving presentation, but it would really nice to have a player's history. Maybe I want to see which teams a journeyman QB has been on? Maybe I want to know who won the Super Bowl in 2028 and what the score was? Maybe I want to know who was the regular season and Super Bowl MVP in 2024?
Would be nice.

Yes more comprehensive stat tracking would go along way. They should copy nba 2k. Also having scores and access to box scores on the main menu would go along way. Why should you have to click through the menu to find out weekly scores and who won the superbowl?
I also would love the option to simulate individual games like before connected career. A pet peeve of mine is the low yards per catch for WR2 in franchise games when simulated. Hasnt been fixed for 6 years yet no one mentions it.

Calling it classic franchise is a bad omen. Sounds like they are leaving it behind and didn't put much effort into it.

I noticed in Madden 20 that slot receivers tend to dominate their team's receptions/rec yards in simulation. Sometimes the #1 or #2 WR can do that if they are slot arch type and listed in the slot special position.
Or how about how most 2nd string RB's score all the rush TD's.
Or how defensive schemes continue to have issues identifying the actual pass rushers for teams.
Takes a lot of micro management of CPU teams to make this more realistic.

Ppl are probably done with the high expectations, i think. The small things kill the realism and unless you only care about your stats only, destroys franchise. Unless the announce a ground up rebuild, those are things that will only get patchwork and never fixed correctly.
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Every year we seem to get people saying “cut back presentation focus on gameplay” and I just think to myself “what presentation” it’s been dry the last three or four years. They got what they asked for I guess. It seems every time they try and make strides, they get backlash. I don’t get it.

I love focusing on gameplay but dislike the way they are going about it. Its at the point for a rebuild, yet they keep patching it. They admitted the legacy issues but continue to try and cover them up.
Ive accepted it moreso, but dont agree with the they are fixing it crowd 100%. Ill buy used and be happy until they choose to truly give us what we deserve. I play 20 regularly despite the flaws, and dont contribute out of my pocket financially to EA at all.
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Does anyone have any details about tomorrow? Just a trailer? Deep dive blog? Live stream? Also any idea at what time?

This is what is written at the end of the gameplay Gridiron Notes.

I haven't seen anything indicating that there is going to be a stream about this information.

I've spoken on this in my post and asked for this as well. This along with a new injury system that's real time would give this game so much replay value..

Seems more like they are following what 2K did with MyGM. 2K created a story mode built around being a GM in 2K18. In 2K19, they kept the story mode driven MyGM but brought back "Classic MyGM" mode for those who didn't want the story. This is probably all it means, those who want the story, can play Face of The Franchise, and if you don't want the story mode then you have Classic Franchise. My expectations are very low, I just hope that there is more ways for the user to customize their Franchise experience.

A 2 minute stream probably isn't worth it. I imagine it would be a lot of we tuned this, tweaked that. FOTF improvements would take up slightly more time.
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I'd like the ability to edit everything. Force trade between other teams easily and make the league make sense.
Oh Tom Brady s a free agent and he signed on to be Aaron rodger back up? Force him to a team with a qb need.
At the start of a season, the ability to edit prime time games (Tom Brady coming back to New England 2 years from now isn't a week 17 1 o'clock game) it's a small thing but it's important to the few that matter.
NBA2k has team info where it designates what a team's overall goal is (contending rebuilding, etc) maybe something like that that might effect trades, player signings and staring logic.
Designations of qbs: elite to 1st round future (where even if his overall is lower than a vet on his team he will get the start, either midway through the first year or definitely after the 1st year) to busts.
Along with this, After a few years a lot of qbs are 80+ and you see qbs drop in the draft, maybe another designation for a team of "in the Qb market". Just because Drew lock is 79 overall, threw 20 tds and 14 interceptions the broncos shoudlnt pass ona projected 1st overall Qb.
Two good running backs? Split carries throughout the season. You have a Christian McCaffery type back? I want to see him getting 60+ catches in the season.
Stat tracking, I want to see who the mvp of the league (not just afc/nfc) is from 5 or 20 years ago, the super bowl champs of every year, thy kind of stuff.
Aboloty to see stats of players in offseason free agency.
Better relocation/expansion with better(customizable uniform)
That was off he top of my head, and my expectations are low but I'm looking forward to seeing what they have to offer.

I would just like the "Classic" mode to get most of the franchise features available in other EA Sports titles. I cannot wrap my mind around how the largest EA Sports product has arguably the worst franchise experience. Comparisons to 2K are fair because of budgets, but being outclassed in development by a sister studio is the more egregious act. /rant
This will probably be completely about FotF and the changes that were made to that mode, and the Classic improvements will most likely be a byproduct of the FotF. Scenario engine updates is about all that I am expecting and I guess anything more than that would be a bonus.

In my humble opinion Madden could fix everything by bringing back some of the features that used to be in Madden and/or NCAA Football and improving on what is already in the franchise mode. And honestly I think they will. I think we will see position battles , coaching carousel, broadcast view, and many other features make a return. I think overall this Madden will be the one that set the series back on the right track.
With the embarrassment of having someone win the Madden bowl with a punter as QB, next gen coming out, and a bunch of anticipated games being released around the same time the suits have no choice but to let the devs lose and make the type of football game they we know they are capable of making.

Today’s the day boys. No stream and just notes I think tells us all we need to know.
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We got a timeframe for the release?

Doesn't seem like they have much to talk about does it lol.

To be fair, for gameplay they released a vid last Tues and then the blog and stream Thurs. Not saying we'll get that, but it's still a possibility.

Madden is not the largest EA Sports product. FIFA is. And it isn't close.
I do agree with the rest of your post though.

It’s literally gonna be 98% about Face of the Franchise with the ending sentence saying “you can STILL play franchise the classic way”

I don't play Fifa but from what I hear it's Franchise mode is crap too.

Yeah Fifa has been selling 10+million copies easy for the past decade of so. Fifa usually gets the major features first then Madden follows suit a year later. Like Frostbite, The Journey/Career, Volta/Street mode. They just put a big emphasis on UT

Pretty frustrating to have no idea when this info is being released today.

I wouldn't have expected a stream any way for this. Unless they are ready to show footage of these modes, I would expect a Gridiron Notes blog with some screens. I would expect some videos on FF late July early August.

Classic Franchise is giving me thoughts of the Madden 12 franchise mode I belive that was the last year before they came with the connected franchise. The good ol days of having a select all teams feature in franchise mode. And off. and def. Coordinators label me excited off that possibility alone.

"classic" franchise is just a label to differentiate it from this new "face of the" franchise.
i don't think it in any way points to features or what to expect.
personally, i think like a lot of you have said, we'll be looking at a very similar experience with a few changes spattered throughout.
i'd be wildly surprised if there were any big new features in "classic" franchise alone.

My "extensive and never gonna happen wishlist"
Settings
- Control all teams
- Force Trade
- Salary Cap Slider
- Contract editing (front/back loaded), 5th year options. Contracts offered before last year of contract.
- More relocation cities and a uniform creator (think forza livery)
Immersion
- Pre-season camps/OTA's impact of attendance/non attendance
- Positional Battles
- I would LOVE to see a Hard Knocks mode where every year a different team is impacted by hard knocks in the sense that it gets your team exposure and a bigger fan base if you do well pre-season or sign a big name FA/draft pick
- Another feature would be acquiring a guy from FA would mean you have a boost against his old team if you play them in the next season as he would have provided details on the previous team’s playbook (this has the possibility of being abused I grant you)
- Draft Buzz. You should be able to interview people in the draft with 3 or 4 questions to get an idea of their scheme/fit. IE You should ask the QB about their style to determine if they are an improviser, scrambler etc. In determining their ability, that should be based on resources and ability of scout staff.
- Combine should have all the mini games including the option of being user controlled to develop stats. For example, in a 32 man CFM, each GM gets to do the combine drill for 1 player. If they do well, that player has a stat boost and the other GM’s wont be aware. If they do poorly, it could have a negative impact. This should be chosen by the GM selecting a position (EG QB) and a random QB from the draft is assigned to them (this aids preventing getting the best player at every position and tanking their combine on purpose).
- Draft Night should have a better messaging system. In real life EVERY GM probably gets calls about each pick prior to them being on the clock. Even if you’re the Bengals and Joe Burrow is available, the GM is still picking up the phone.
- During the season players should be sitting out, demanding trades, gearing up for retirement, asking for load management. These should be in the scenario engine.
- Each year we need an “Antonio Brown roll” that is to say one player who is 85+ rated ends up in some type of trouble and the team needs to balance playing the guy for a better chance of winning vs upsetting the fanbase/team. This can be toggled on/off

I play a ton of Fifa and they treat their Franchise mode worse than Madden does. It hasn't changed since at least 2015 and any time they try to add stuff it breaks the game. "Manager Mode", as they call their Franchise, literally wasn't playable for the first 2 months after release for Fifa 20. It's a bit of a joke. It makes Madden's Franchise look immersive lol

My expectations for today haven’t changed. I don’t expect anything to be added/improved to “classic” franchise.

As sad as it is to say this, if they added force trade and trade finder I would be overjoyed...
In a perfect world, I really just want more simulation control settings like in NBA 2K or older Maddens/NCAA games where i can set my coaches tendencies for Run/Pass and Aggressiveness and all that Jazz...
Also please for the love of everything bring back DB Assignments!! Leave the "coaching adjustments in", but if I want my #1 Corner to always shadow their #3 receiver I should be able to set it that way.

Today's the day. Will I be pre ordering 21, or starting with an updated roster on 20?
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