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Madden 21: EA 'Working on Bolstering Plans to Support Franchise' in Response to #FixMaddenFranchise

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Madden 21: EA 'Working on Bolstering Plans to Support Franchise' in Response to #FixMaddenFranchise

The latest Madden 21 Gridiron Notes were very light on franchise mode updates and that created swift and immediate backlash from the community. On social media, that crystallized as the #FixMaddenFranchise hashtag that ended up trending #1 in the USA. The discussion about franchise mode has continued, and so EA came out today and responded to the feedback and criticism.

Seann Graddy, executive producer of Madden 21, said that EA has heard the franchise community loud and clear, and EA will be taking steps to try and improve franchise mode going forward. “We’ve seen your requests for details around what the franchise community can expect moving forward,” said Graddy. “And while I don’t have a lot of details to share with you right now, I can tell you that today our team is actively working on bolstering plans to support franchise in Madden 21 and beyond.”

Graddy goes on to explain that the team is focused on getting Madden 21 ready for its August 28 release date, but still wants to also provide thoughts and plans for franchise mode before the game launches.

EA obviously felt it could no longer just sit by and say nothing as the major talk around Madden 21 had mostly devolved into just talking about what was not in Madden 21‘s franchise mode. At the same time, let me be clear that expectations should be kept in check. We are less than two months from a release date, and that means the idea of massive, meaningful changes making it into Madden 21‘s franchise mode at launch are very pie in the sky. The last push for any game is polishing and fixing, so the last thing you want to do is try to introduce a whole bunch of features that are filled to the brim with bugs.

Graddy’s statement about focusing on the launch of Madden 21 to me feels like a hint that he’s setting up those same sort of expectations for somewhat minimal changes to franchise mode at launch. Again, that would be perfectly understandable because big things generally don’t change in games overnight. The most likely plan here — and it seems like we won’t have to wait too long to hear about that plan based on EA’s statement — is some form of post-launch support with a content update or big patch.

I could be wrong about my read on the situation and how EA will approach things, but it just feels logical based on what I know about game development and how it seems like EA was caught flat footed and surprised by the response from the community. In the past, we have seen EA try larger post-launch content updates with franchise mode. Just last year, EA did update the “scenario engine” during the year. It did not blow people away, but the point is it shows EA is capable of adding to franchise mode post-launch.

Regardless of how positive or negative you take this update from EA, it’s good to see them at least paying initial lip service to the idea of improving franchise mode. They’re not pretending the complaints don’t exist, and they’re going to try and rectify it in some way. We have heard similar promises in the past, but this is the most front-facing and loud promise the franchise community has received in response to their feedback. While we have read interviews where EA says they care about the franchise community and so forth, this is a direct response in a way nothing else has been on this front over the years.

I think the best hope for franchise mode fans is a much bigger focus on the mode when Madden 22 rolls around — again, I just don’t think it’s reasonable to expect any company to deliver massive updates in the final month or two before launch — but we’ll now just have to wait and see how this unfolds.

Finally, on a somewhat unrelated note, Graddy does mention the Madden 21 beta and that the team will be listening to feedback from that. We can confirm the beta will start this week so you should start hearing more about Madden 21 in the very near future.

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  1. Things like this are always lip service until we see results, but I'm happily surprised that we even got any kind of response...
    Also did he just leak that the beta is starting for this weekend?
    Meh we'll see. I'm still not expecting much and my opinion on not getting the game hasn't changed. But depending on what they do, which I'm really not looking for much...my mind may change. And that's ok. Be open to changing your opinions based on new information.
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    Keep the pressure up until the game comes out.
    Wait to see what the improvements are in footage after the game comes out before you consider buying the game or even playing it after acquiring it secondhand.
    Talking the talk is one thing, wait for them to walk the walk before you commit your money or playtime to this game
    I’m happy to see some sort of statement acknowledging the very loud public outcry. They couldn’t not say something anymore.
    Like any other public statement by a brand, however, going forward I am sure we will all want to see those words backed up with actions.
    Milticket
    Did he just leak the closed beta for this weekend?

    I guess maybe a little bit? We already knew the beta was happening very, very soon either way. (and yes, we have codes right now)
    ChaseB
    I guess maybe a little bit? We already knew the beta was happening very, very soon either way.

    True but I thought maybe they would wait tlll after the holiday.
    Milticket
    Did he just leak the closed beta for this weekend (:? Makes sense though I think M19s was over the 4th of July weekend as well.

    Yeah that sounded like a soft leak to me. They were probably ready to announce it soon anyway though, if it really is this weekend.
    Airfaron23
    Lol #fixmaddenfranchise actually worked
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    Didnt work yet. Keep using it. Every single time they tweet.
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    im happy to see them look our way. Im waiting to see but hell....the girl i want just looked my way and winked.
    I see u Ms. Football Gaming Life.
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    michaelhawj
    Did Sean say anything about Franchise Mode on EA twitter ? my speaker is not working

    On the official Madden twitter
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    jfsolo
    We'll see what actually gets done, but I'm stunned and pleasantly surprised.

    Don’t listen to what was said. Listen to what WASN’T said. Nowhere did he say they were recommitting to Franchise. All they said was that the complaints have been heard, as if the entire gaming world didn’t hear them, and that they’d be communicating their vision for Franchise (as if that isn’t crystal clear based renaming it “Classic Franchise”).
    This was really well done, because next to nothing was said or committed to.
    Don’t be fooled.
    michaelhawj
    Did Sean say anything about Franchise Mode on EA twitter ? my speaker is not working

    All that the video said was that the complaint was heard, that “their vision” for Franchise mode would soon be commented on, and that they were working at home on ways to “bolster” the mode. No commitment to making Franchise mode a primary focus, no confirming of any real changes whatsoever.
    This sounded like a slick PR salvage attempt.
    Airfaron23
    Lol #fixmaddenfranchise actually worked
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    Define “worked.” It got their attention, but they didn’t promise any changes at all. All he said was that “their vision” for Franchise mode would be communicated soon, and that they were at home working on ways of bolstering the mode.
    That could mean adding three scenarios or it could be the true overhaul we want.
    He committed to nothing. I’ll believe it worked when I see a completely revamped Franchise mode.
    jfsolo
    We'll see what actually gets done, but I'm stunned and pleasantly surprised.

    #FixMaddenFranchise was trending on Twitter for almost an entire day. It was a thrashing on YouTube also. I was literally wincing reading the comments. So what did you expect? There had to be a public response. I just wonder what it actually amounts to in terms of results.
    I'll always give credit to them when credits due. As of now, I'll give them credit for a response, but until I actually see something stating what they will be including, #fixmaddenfranchise will still be tweeted by my multiple times a day.
    I want to give them the benefit of the doubt but for too long we have been mislead about "continuous development cycle" and stuff like that for franchise mode. I'm glad they responded but now they need to put or shut up.
    This is nothing more than a PR video to save face right now. If you let this take away any of your frustrations at the moment and pat yourself on the back, that's exactly what EA wants in releasing this.
    Honestly, until EA shows me over multiple releases that they have heard the fans, I won't believe much will change with the series. I'd expect they'll come through and add a few smaller things to franchise mode this year and say they heard us, but didn't have time to really add much more. Next year we will get a decent addition or two and they'll say, "see, we heard you!", and then when Madden 23 releases we'll probably get some more small additions, but franchise mode will lack the true attention we're begging for.
    As of right now EA has learned they can't completely ignore the mode, but I don't believe for a second they are going to shift their entire philosophy with the game and that franchise mode will start receiving huge updates. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'd say when Madden 23 or 24 is releasing, the mode is still going to be disappointing overall. EA has not earned the benefit of the doubt at all, so until they actually show me results, I won't believe a thing they say, especially not in a video like this where they were ultimately forced to say something, anything.
    Just remember, it doesn't have to be fixed, if it is removed completely. What doesn't exist, is no longer broken. Don't think for a second this hasn't been discussed, at the very least.
    It’s good to see a familiar face like Sean address the community. Like many have said, have to wait and see what they do before applauding. Really hope they reference Dueces mock-ups/ideas if that’s what they meant by looking at feedback and suggestions
    I didn't expect them to acknowledge the frustration at all. Doing so will galvanize folks to be even more attentive to what they do with the mode and an even greater outcry will ensue it they don't follow through, IMO.
    People are of course completely right to be 1000% skeptical of anything said about Franchise, so we'll see what he means when he says,
    Our team is actively working on bolstering plans to support Franchise in Madden 21 and beyond.

    Yes, that is a textbook PR statement, but I actually do expect them to add one major feature now during this cycle. Regular Franchise of course is never going to be the primary focus for mode resources again, never, those days are gone forever, but they probably won't pull the double middle finger move that they pulled this year again, we'll see.
    Elite Team Killer
    All that the video said was that the complaint was heard, that “their vision” for Franchise mode would soon be commented on, and that they were working at home on ways to “bolster” the mode. No commitment to making Franchise mode a primary focus, no confirming of any real changes whatsoever.
    This sounded like a slick PR salvage attempt.

    ughh that not worth 60 bucks to me without add some new features to Franchise Mode like Coach Carousel
    jfsolo
    I didn't expect them to acknowledge the frustration at all. Doing so will galvanize folks to be even more attentive to what they do with the mode and an even greater outcry will ensue it they don't follow through, IMO.
    People are of course completely right to be 1000% skeptical of anything said about Franchise, so we'll see what he means when he says,
    Yes, that is a textbook PR statement, but I actually do expect them to add one major feature now during this cycle. Regular Franchise of course is never going to be the primary focus for mode resources again, never, those days are gone forever, but they probably won't pull the double middle finger move that they pulled this year again, we'll see.

    If the negative press continues and people actually keep their wallets shut, there’s a good chance Franchise becomes important again. At this point I don’t think any of that is likely, however.
    Pr stunt besides, they are now reminded how big an offline community they have. I love franchise, I do play mut but offline. They tried to ignore a huge part of the community and got burned.
    NYJin2011tm
    That just sounded like PR damage control to me lol.

    That's exactly what i thought as well, just a way to "dampen" the outcry so to speak. But we will have to see if they actually do something about it.
    Cowboy008
    It’s nice to see them acknowledge it. Now let’s see what they are going to do about it.

    I’m happy to see they responded to the backlash.
    However, seeing is believing. We’ve gotten empty promises before. EA Tiburon is out of community good will.
    Don’t let their PR fool you. This sounds like a band aid at best. Keep the heat on until we get a commitment on a long term plan. Moving forward we should stay united and consistent on the on the message.
    #FixMaddenFranchise absolutely every Madden and EA related promotion.
    Don’t confuse message with unneeded and/or misinformed complaints. I.e. blame developers and MUT.
    This has gone on far too long and we need to take advantage of this opportunity.
    PR damage control.
    I also have zero faith they could pull something off that would be acceptable by the community. They showed their true colors and are too busy swimming in the billion dollar net profit from UT.
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    jpdavis82
    It’s a start... Now they have to deliver
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    Talk about deja vu. I remember seeing those same words uttered for Madden 06. 15 years later and still waiting...
    Completely surprised they actually responded, I definitely expected them to let it blow over.
    Let's just start with the small things man, like being able to track past champions and seeing the past teams a player has played for in the player card menu. I think we can temper our expectations, we know Rome wasn't built in a day. But we also know some patch notes isn't sufficient for a full release either.
    He said absolutely NOTHING. We've heard the "Franchise is important to us" many times before just to see small, shallow additions or the same features redone. I won't believe anything from them until I hear something substantive and see how it's actually implemented. So far, he has said NOTHING of substance.
    We will see. If they can provide a substantive franchise mode, I'm already OK with the gameplay (just fix the brain dead QB AI).
    If you watch the video he does seem like he was pre scripted. Like he had to write it 5 times over...
    On the other hand, he’s opened himself to major criticism if they don’t follow through. The “we said we would and failed” type.
    At least before it wasn’t an expectation, so, now we will see what new information if any, we get moving forward, this year and future planning
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    I know most of us are still frustrated and I myself am still not planning to purchase the game. But I don't think crapping on them for responding is the right thing to do. I think we should all be skeptical of what they'll add.
    But before fixmaddenfranchise was trending we were getting nothing. So like I said, I am still not planning on buying but if by some miracle they're able to implement a meaningful update into franchise for launch, then who knows?
    I think we should take this as a small victory, I personally did not expect a response.
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    Sphinx
    I know most of us are still frustrated and I myself am still not planning to purchase the game. But I don't think crapping on them for responding is the right thing to do. I think we should all be skeptical of what they'll add.
    But before fixmaddenfranchise was trending we were getting nothing. So like I said, I am still not planning on buying but if by some miracle they're able to implement a meaningful update into franchise for launch, then who knows?
    I think we should take this as a small victory, I personally did not expect a response.
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    Honestly, EA has put themselves in a lose-lose situation. Either they don't really add anything of substance and they look like liars potentially, and they lose face over it. Or, they actually implement something substantial in a patch and we're in a spot where we're wondering if they can add X in in the time that they did, why weren't we receiving better updates every cycle.
    The only way EA wins from this in my eyes is if they truly recommit to franchise mode, more or less admit they were ignoring the mode, and they start pumping out additions to the mode regularly and it becomes a great mode.
    I've said it before on here, and I know plenty will disagree, but even with the shortcomings of the gameplay, I still think Madden plays well enough on the field that if it had a worthy franchise mode I would be happy. The gameplay is not elite, it doesn't touch 2k8 still, but it is good enough. It's everything else that the game lacks. Presentation, franchise depth, immersion, etc.
    If we had a worthy franchise mode, I'd be pumping in hundreds, to potentially a thousand or more hours into each release.
    All PR at this point. I am truly glad that they at least heard the message, and their response shows that not all publicity is good publicity. They still have to deliver.
    With that being said, I do not believe that this amounts to much. I mean, what can they actually accomplish? We hear all the time that resources are limited, and they are still going to release a next gen version? I am sorry but I will not buy a game as a “game as a service” because game companies have proven that games as a service are limited at best. And often times they fail at each checkpoint along the way.
    How does EA prove themselves? I need to see job postings for multiple Franchise mode positions. I need to hear from guys like Deuce have been reached out to with many dialogue points. Put your money where your PR is, EA.
    Sphinx
    I know most of us are still frustrated and I myself am still not planning to purchase the game. But I don't think crapping on them for responding is the right thing to do. I think we should all be skeptical of what they'll add.
    But before fixmaddenfranchise was trending we were getting nothing. So like I said, I am still not planning on buying but if by some miracle they're able to implement a meaningful update into franchise for launch, then who knows?
    I think we should take this as a small victory, I personally did not expect a response.
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    My personal opinion is that after 15 some years of not responding to requests, or responding to them with failed promises (for whatever reasons) they've forfeited the right to much civility from angry fans.
    In regards to the practicality of making things change, mindless, merciless rage will last a lot longer and be more effective than passive, controlled criticism. Is it right? Probably not. But soft whining for a decade and a half has done nothing.
    Outrage is what got their attention, and outrage is what will hold their feet to the fire until results are achieved.
    Nice to see a response, but actions speak louder than words. And honestly, the words in that statement don't really give me any excitement for Madden 21. Perhaps the community blasting them will have them invest in developing and finally revamping franchise mode in Madden 22 and bringing back all the good features and cleaning up all the broken issues, while adding onto the existing franchise mode.
    "Seann Graddy, executive producer of Madden 21, said that EA has heard the franchise community loud and clear, and EA will be taking steps to try and improve franchise mode going forward. “We’ve seen your requests for details around what the franchise community can expect moving forward,” said Graddy. “And while I don’t have a lot of details to share with you right now, I can tell you that today our team is actively working on bolstering plans to support franchise in Madden 21 and beyond.”"
    All that tells me is that they had no plans to support franchise this year and are putting minimal effort towards it so that it will at least be there, but it doesn't sound like they plan on implementing any significant changes this year. And from the sound of that statement is also sounds like they had planned on not supporting franchise at all until the community spoke out.
    Of course it’s scripted. You can see him glancing down at notes or cue cards the whole time.
    Guys, just last year or the year before they told us there was a renewed focus on franchise and a recommitment to it. Look what happened.
    This is a knee jerk response to bad PR. They didn’t promise anything, only that they’d look into it. And do we really think they are going to implement anything of substance? And if they do, what are the odds it works?
    This was a patronizing, self serving, feed is a pile of horse manure response. They troll is with patch notes and then react with “we heard you” and act surprised. Either they don’t give a crap (my vote) or they are clueless to think what they have us would be acceptable.
    They are seeing how they can “bolster” this and what the plan is going forward. That’s PR speak for “we didn’t have you in our plans and now we’re gonna feed you poop and call it chocolate”
    I’m still so disgusted by this. Fix it EA. No words, no apologies, give us the franchise we had in Ps2 era and I bet most folks would be happy.
    Enough is enough.
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    cuppylove
    Time to put back 16 years of franchise features in six weeks. Get to it, devs.

    You know, in all seriousness, EA would only need to devote money and resources to franchise for 1 cycle, get it where it needs to be / where we want it to be, and then they could leave it alone and not have to deal with hearing the negativity year after year. I'm kinda surprised they've never just said "FINE, this next cycle just make it like it used to be and get it over with."
    Once a solid mode was in place, they could pretty much forget about it after that. Maybe change up the UI every 3rd year or something.
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    crunchy10
    If you watch the video he does seem like he was pre scripted. Like he had to write it 5 times over...
    On the other hand, he’s opened himself to major criticism if they don’t follow through. The “we said we would and failed” type.
    At least before it wasn’t an expectation, so, now we will see what new information if any, we get moving forward, this year and future planning
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    To be fair, there is no situation where this wouldn't be pre-scripted.
    Yeah, I'm not buying a pre-written PR statement until I see what there plans are. There needs to be full transparency of what they can and can't do.
    Honestly, even if they were to try add stuff and improvements this year, I rather them to try to focus on next gen franchise mode. They aren't going to get much done within the next 8 weeks up to launch especially from home. I rather them spend the next 4 months seeing what they can do for Next gen Franchise. Even if it is adding something small like Historic Stat Tracking, fixing some AI logic, and small features that are quality of life improvements, that can at least show consumers that you are trying. I say focus on Next Gen because after year 1, sports games that are released on last gen hardware usually just gets maintenance.
    MajorSupreme
    Completely surprised they actually responded, I definitely expected them to let it blow over.
    Let's just start with the small things man, like being able to track past champions and seeing the past teams a player has played for in the player card menu. I think we can temper our expectations, we know Rome wasn't built in a day. But we also know some patch notes isn't sufficient for a full release either.

    Stat tracking would be nice...for me, what would change my mind about not purchasing this year would be giving us the full scenario engine stuff, like what Madden Mobile got. In this short amount of time, that would get me to upgrade provided they laid out a roadmap for where the mode would be in Madden 22.
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    Not convinced. We’ve been complaining about franchise for years and the only they did this year was bug fixes. Literally no decent addition. So they are just now listening? Lol ok. Not falling for the bait and will not be buying.
    callmetaternuts
    Of course it’s scripted. You can see him glancing down at notes or cue cards the whole time.
    Guys, just last year or the year before they told us there was a renewed focus on franchise and a recommitment to it. Look what happened.
    This is a knee jerk response to bad PR. They didn’t promise anything, only that they’d look into it. And do we really think they are going to implement anything of substance? And if they do, what are the odds it works?
    This was a patronizing, self serving, feed is a pile of horse manure response. They troll is with patch notes and then react with “we heard you” and act surprised. Either they don’t give a crap (my vote) or they are clueless to think what they have us would be acceptable.
    They are seeing how they can “bolster” this and what the plan is going forward. That’s PR speak for “we didn’t have you in our plans and now we’re gonna feed you poop and call it chocolate”
    I’m still so disgusted by this. Fix it EA. No words, no apologies, give us the franchise we had in Ps2 era and I bet most folks would be happy.
    Enough is enough.
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    They can't be clueless about it because Rex Dickson resigned because they refused to allocate resources to fix Franchise mode and game play (he originally proposed spending a year to fix game play and a year to fix Franchise, but was shot down on the grounds that those were not marketable features). Dickson has said at least a couple of times that he quit for those reasons, because the people who make decisions were not interested in giving consumers what they wanted, but instead wanted to give consumers something marketable.
    So, yeah, innocent ignorance is not the cause.
    Granted, am I saying Face of the Franchise should not exist? No. But it should not come at the expense of Franchise mode. If anything, it should be a sub-game of Franchise mode (and currently it is not: it is a different mode in which you can port a player over to Franchise, and then play a limited Franchise in which you can't control your team or anything else; Except in PC, which is superior in every way, because you can turn a user controlled player into non-user by editing a value in a table).
    jerwoods
    i think they were planning on killing franchise in ps5 just my 02 cents

    Possible, but after you finish Face of the Franchise you can use your player in a very, very limited version of Franchise mode (in which you can control nothing but your player either in games or out, and can't even play on the opposite side of the ball in games). Given that, it seems unlikely they would simply eliminate it. More likely they wanted to just leave it and not really do anything to it.
    NYJin2011tm
    That just sounded like PR damage control to me lol.

    It is for now. However, the inspiring part is that the community collectively forced them to respond in some form. So its not just about sales but also about negative public perception and consistent pressure.
    We also have to be united. I honestly couldnt fathom what a major sales boycott would do but apparently the threat of one coupled with the accompanying negative PR was significant enough for them to, at the minimum, release this statement.
    Who knows what else we can accomplish?
    #FixMaddenFrancise
    NYJin2011tm
    That just sounded like PR damage control to me lol.

    Right? What could they actually do now to make franchise better? You had a whole dev cycle and added nothing. They will do some tuning or add a screen that has Tweets on it and say look we listen to the customers.
    Guarantee if we keep the hashtag going the NFL will notice the publicity and light a fire under EA
    SolidSquid
    Right? What could they actually do now to make franchise better? You had a whole dev cycle and added nothing. They will do some tuning or add a screen that has Tweets on it and say look we listen to the customers.
    Guarantee if we keep the hashtag going the NFL will notice the publicity and light a fire under EA

    Yep. It would be against our interest as consumers to stop being a very loud thorn in their side until the NFL gets involved. Even then, I'm assuming they'd convince the NFL that Face of the Franchise is what we're talking about. Still, if it lasts long enough, it can't be anything but good for the game.
    tbennett54
    lol don't they release a statement or a video about this every single year?

    This is in direct response to a social media campaign calling out EA. Forbes even wrote an article
    As a 41 yo gamer I have seen better year profression on the PlayStation 1. Check out NFL Game day year to year changes. The first Xbox  Madden has better attention. I wouldn’t hold my breath as these games are geared to the pre-teens. EA is a joke it’s almost not real football with all the gimmick features.  I digress and I am not supporting Madden 21. Please start a  #Make NFL Games  Non Exclusive  Again!
    jerwoods
    i think they were planning on killing franchise in ps5 just my 02 cents

    That was how I interpreted their statement until they had to acknowledge the community backlash.
    piffbernd
    I doubt any EA sports game will change to much with franchise/ career mode. now it's covid why they couldn't do more , next year will be something else

    Remember it was “memory limitations” for the longest times even though we went through almost all of ps4 before we got the pro bowl
    jerwoods
    i think they were planning on killing franchise in ps5 just my 02 cents

    I wouldn't say kill it. I feel the "classic" change was a way to say "if you want to play a standard Franchise, here is the mode we had mostly the same for the past 7 years and not going to change it".
    But when I heard this statement, I felt they had no plans on doing anything for next gen Franchise either. I was still holding out hope they that still was planning on doing something different for next gen and already starting to leave current gen behind. But that statement said that they were going to leave it as it.
    Were we even going to get a UI change or anything at least lol? A lot of bigger issues to fill but it would have been a slap on a face to boot up next gen franchise and see same UI and same repetitive lockeroom sequences.
    Same lip service we got last year.
    Recommitment to franchise for Madden 20, fell flat. Now all of a sudden its ANOTHER recommitment to franchise. Im sure we get minimal, and i mean minimal updates after they release what they want to do. We will get the classic "we cant do most of this until Madden 22", and then we get more patch notes next year.
    They are waiting for francbise players to go away...
    piffbernd
    I doubt any EA sports game will change to much with franchise/ career mode. now it's covid why they couldn't do more , next year will be something else

    One of my siblings is a game dev and all they did was stay home and work and have video and phone conferences instead of face to face meetings. Covid really isn’t an excuse for this particular industry.
    cowboy_kmoney
    Seems they will be adding a day one franchise patch..It wont be big but it will be something to get us through.What do you guys think they will add.

    Would be surprised if they add anything major since the game comes out in under 2 months. If we're lucky they might build on a few things they already have in the game:
    - More scenarios for the scenario engine
    - Face editor from FOTF in custom draft classes and more faces to pick from for create a player
    - Better stat tracking - improved simulation stats, teams played for, and better historic stat tracking
    Believe it's too late to add something brand new like coaching carousel or a brand new morale system...
    Couple things to note here:
    1. GREAT JOB EVERYONE! Love how this community gets together to address the thing we want most out of Madden. FRANCHISE!
    2. It might not be under everyone's radar, but let me point out something i've said numerous times not only on here, but elsewhere. Individual stats for career and game logs within Franchise needs to be fixed. If this isn't fixed, Franchise is pretty much broken. At this day in age, how could they not even patch this in? I've heard the excuses. They don't have enough "resources" or it'll break something else. Well? Is that it?
    As far as i'm concerned, this is inexcusable. We're in 2020 heading into 2021. I haven't heard of any sports games where this was completely broken and if they don't fix this at the least, it's a tell tale sign that Franchise will be nothing but a dumpster fire.
    You guys are not falling for this are you? It's July 3rd and EA doesn't want their twitter feeds they release in the next 50 days to be covered and retweeted with #fixmaddenfranchise and complaits. They trying to fool you and silence you till they sell millions of copies then as usual laugh & do nothing to franchise mode. You all best be on that tweeter feed or you gonna get same results as the last 7 years.
    RobotRosKO
    You guys are not falling for this are you? It's July 3rd and EA doesn't want their twitter feeds they release in the next 50 days to be covered and retweeted with #fixmaddenfranchise and complaits. They trying to fool you and silence you till they sell millions of copies then as usual laugh & do nothing to franchise mode. You all best be on that tweeter feed or you gonna get same results as the last 7 years.

    My expectations are near nothing. No details were laid out in the video regarding what they would add or when. Seems very vague like upgrading franchise is something they will consider down the road. We've heard this talk before. People should continue to post #fixmaddenfranchise until we get concrete plans for franchise. Kicking this down another year is what they've been doing for the last decade.
    Anyone who actually believes what they are saying at this point, deserves what they get if they buy the game.
    They "hear our feedback"? This is suddenly knew to the folks working on Madden? We've been giving this feedback for over a decade and been given nothing but lip service. I won't believe a word they say until I see it running in game.
    Retropyro
    Anyone who actually believes what they are saying at this point, deserves what they get if they buy the game.
    They "hear our feedback"? This is suddenly knew to the folks working on Madden? We've been giving this feedback for over a decade and been given nothing but lip service. I won't believe a word they say until I see it running in game.

    People should at least wait to see the demo in early/mid-August. There you will see first hand what if anything they added for franchise...
    Retropyro
    They "hear our feedback"? This is suddenly knew to the folks working on Madden? We've been giving this feedback for over a decade and been given nothing but lip service. I won't believe a word they say until I see it running in game.

    I get the feeling franchise will get the resources it deserves for the next 12-18 months and then they will go back to their old ways again and if anyone says anything they will fall back on that
    Retropyro
    Anyone who actually believes what they are saying at this point, deserves what they get if they buy the game.
    They "hear our feedback"? This is suddenly knew to the folks working on Madden? We've been giving this feedback for over a decade and been given nothing but lip service. I won't believe a word they say until I see it running in game.

    Didn't they do something similar with Madden 18 and then have to patch almost on day 1 to resolve a lot of the issues with franchise mode?
    At least give us back the ability to see the weekly NFL schedule & simulate each game showing us the scores.
    I remember on the old PS2 maddens I could simulate a season in like a minute while seeing every game for every team on the schedule while I did it.
    Then the 360 games took a lot longer to simulate with all the loading & what not, & this gen of consoles is unbearable to sim through. You can't see anything!
    Mattanite
    Still a "wait and see" as this news just feels like damage control. Will be solid to see a proper road map they commit to over several years.

    It's definitely damage control, amigo, and it's cleverly worded to make people think they've truly recommitted to Franchise mode without them explicitly saying they have. All he said was they are working on plans to "bolster" Franchise mode. What does that mean? "Bolster: support or strengthen; prop up." But how MUCH is not inherent in the meaning of that word.
    That could mean they plan to truly overhaul Franchise mode and give us something like what Deuce Douglas has been pushing for for years. It could also mean something like the Scenario Engine. Based on the fifteen year track record of commitment to Franchise mode, my guess is that "bolster" means the latter.
    Of course, we'll see. Perhaps consumer outrage drives meaningful change. But I wouldn't be counting my chickens, personally.
    Fixing franchise also means fixing and improving their terrible slider system, improving cpu AI and adding customized camera angles in addition to more robust team building options.
    EA hasn’t given a crap about franchise in over 5 years. I won’t hold my breath. I can hope for improvements next year but I already quit this franchise two years ago. Many offline only guys like me have given up. Madden 21 is a lost cause at this point. Will see if Madden 22 offers anything.
    Mattanite
    Still a "wait and see" as this news just feels like damage control. Will be solid to see a proper road map they commit to over several years.
    If we're talking "years" then not much will change in the grand scheme of things. They would either add a feature or two every year, some of them the old ones that were ripped out of the mode in the past, or add some minor "upgrades" that are easy to implement but are actually nowhere close to what the community really wants. They would NEVER trully commit to the mode.
    No, there has to be a commitment to building a robust mode in a year or two at most that at least resembles what we see on Sundays and what every team in the league, and perhaps the league itself, has to deal with year after year after year, 24/7.
    For a company like EA, that should be a piece of cake by now. Now if only they cared enough.
    #FixMaddenFranchise
    Culture Rot
    Just remember, it doesn't have to be fixed, if it is removed completely. What doesn't exist, is no longer broken. Don't think for a second this hasn't been discussed, at the very least.

    I don’t agree this would ever happen.
    Not having the ability to play a season of NFL football on a game licensed exclusively by the NFL?
    Come on man.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    This is how I feel about Madden 21 in a nutshell.
    They roll out the much touted “scenario engine” on Madden 20 which turned out to be nothing much.
    They did not even put an ounce of effort to improve and expand it for 21. Such a lack of effort on it, no mention in the Madden Classic Franchise patch notes for 21
    That is a clear vision from EA on the state of “Classic we are not touching” franchise mode on Madden 21.
    We have a choice. Buy it or don’t buy it.
    It was a heck of run. But until I see this game truly commit to making franchise mode feel like a real mode of team building where the CPU can do what I do? Until the CPU AI is drastically improved upon?
    What is the point? The CPU AI is wretched compared to a few other sports titles (The Show and NBA2K).
    I mean downright embarrassing.
    You can put all the bells and whistles you want into franchise mode, but if the CPU is brain dead playing on and off then field then who gives a real rats *** about it?
    That is the real core issue for offline solitaire franchise guys like myself.
    They gotta get gameplay from the AI and gameplay from a simulation mode right. They have failed in several aspects of that.
    That is the core foundation of a great sports game. Madden has not accomplished that in over a decade and a half.
    Penalties, injuries, foot planting, true player weight and momentum, true authentic broadcast presentation.....i am done waiting.
    Until those things are truly “upgraded” like I said....it was a good run for me.
    Here is hoping to something better on PS5.
    They peaked on PS4 with Madden 16 and it truly has been all downhill in terms of simulation gameplay since.
    Too many complaints of too many flags and injuries....it has stymied the progression of this game.
    Facts.
    Off-ball Injuries worked amazingly well on M19. Kids complained profusely..nerfed for 20.
    Penalties were awesome on 16....complaints ensued....nerfed worse each and every iteration since.
    Tackling was smooth and fun on 16 (like the first time we had real gang tackles since Madden 2010 LOL) nerfed ever since. So stiff....and arcade like now.
    CPU QB AI was outstanding on 16.....worse each iteration ever since. I mean so much freaking editing having to be done to get them to not be brain dead.
    RB AI is really good on 20......so what will happen on 21? LOL!!!
    It simply never ends. 1 step forward 3 steps back.....we have never seen a truly complete game top to bottom gameplay wise. They cannot decide what they want to be.....actually they have. It is becoming clear.
    And that’s cool. Time for me to just bow out. No worries. I mean....it is just a game right? I can play Madden 16 and 20....and heck even go back to some older ones on the PS3 and PS2 and have fun because they have what I am looking for. Heck NCAA 14....awesome game. It has the depth I love with Dynasty mode and the true uniqueness across the over 112 teams with playbooks, AI behavior etc.
    There are options out there as long as you can play older titles that did things a lot better than recently (Madden 17, 18 and 19 were simply failures in the end and Madden 20 to me was a very solid effort.....but Madden 21 is shaping up to be nothing more than a mailed in effort knowing they are moving on to the PS5).
    Zero effort for franchise players, no mention of improved AI, improved injuries, improved penalties.....because there are no improvements there. The vision is clear. It is about MUT, Madden bowl and micro transactions.
    At least MLB The Show improves gameplay every single solitary year without fail. Hats off to that team.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    So #FixMaddenFranchise was acknowledged by the team. That's certainly a start...
    BUT EA has been "reading our feedback" and "understanding our frustration" for years now. It's the same non-answer they've been giving us for the last 3-4 iterations.
    Their words mean nothing until they actually start making changes.
    Franchise mode improvements are rightfully at the forefront but honestly they need to rebuild the game.
    One of the primary problems I have always had with Madden is the tackling. Outside of maybe the hit stick animations, there is this sort of slow, underwater, "and we all...fall...dooown!" gentle type of feel to tackling. There is no sense of suddeness, true impact or explosiveness.....no sense of physicality.
    It detracts completely from the immersion of the game and it has plagued Madden since forever and continues in M21. I don't see how they fix it without tearing the whole thing up and starting fresh.
    This video means nothing. It's a cute gesture, but until they actually invest in the mode, which it's probably too late at this point to actually do this year, this stuff means nothing.
    Also- this is 100% confirmation that next-gen has the exact same mode. This would've been the time to sell us on that, not whine about how they can't add to the mode this year because they're working from home.
    Armor and Sword
    This is how I feel about Madden 21 in a nutshell.
    They roll out the much touted “scenario engine” on Madden 20 which turned out to be nothing much.
    They did not even put an ounce of effort to improve and expand it for 21. Such a lack of effort on it, no mention in the Madden Classic Franchise patch notes for 21
    That is a clear vision from EA on the state of “Classic we are not touching” franchise mode on Madden 21.
    We have a choice. Buy it or don’t buy it.
    It was a heck of run. But until I see this game truly commit to making franchise mode feel like a real mode of team building where the CPU can do what I do? Until the CPU AI is drastically improved upon?
    What is the point? The CPU AI is wretched compared to a few other sports titles (The Show and NBA2K).
    I mean downright embarrassing.
    You can put all the bells and whistles you want into franchise mode, but if the CPU is brain dead playing on and off then field then who gives a real rats *** about it?
    That is the real core issue for offline solitaire franchise guys like myself.
    They gotta get gameplay from the AI and gameplay from a simulation mode right. They have failed in several aspects of that.
    That is the core foundation of a great sports game. Madden has not accomplished that in over a decade and a half.
    Penalties, injuries, foot planting, true player weight and momentum, true authentic broadcast presentation.....i am done waiting.
    Until those things are truly “upgraded” like I said....it was a good run for me.
    Here is hoping to something better on PS5.
    They peaked on PS4 with Madden 16 and it truly has been all downhill in terms of simulation gameplay since.
    Too many complaints of too many flags and injuries....it has stymied the progression of this game.
    Facts.
    Off-ball Injuries worked amazingly well on M19. Kids complained profusely..nerfed for 20.
    Penalties were awesome on 16....complaints ensued....nerfed worse each and every iteration since.
    Tackling was smooth and fun on 16 (like the first time we had real gang tackles since Madden 2010 LOL) nerfed ever since. So stiff....and arcade like now.
    CPU QB AI was outstanding on 16.....worse each iteration ever since. I mean so much freaking editing having to be done to get them to not be brain dead.
    RB AI is really good on 20......so what will happen on 21? LOL!!!
    It simply never ends. 1 step forward 3 steps back.....we have never seen a truly complete game top to bottom gameplay wise. They cannot decide what they want to be.....actually they have. It is becoming clear.
    And that’s cool. Time for me to just bow out. No worries. I mean....it is just a game right? I can play Madden 16 and 20....and heck even go back to some older ones on the PS3 and PS2 and have fun because they have what I am looking for. Heck NCAA 14....awesome game. It has the depth I love with Dynasty mode and the true uniqueness across the over 112 teams with playbooks, AI behavior etc.
    There are options out there as long as you can play older titles that did things a lot better than recently (Madden 17, 18 and 19 were simply failures in the end and Madden 20 to me was a very solid effort.....but Madden 21 is shaping up to be nothing more than a mailed in effort knowing they are moving on to the PS5).
    Zero effort for franchise players, no mention of improved AI, improved injuries, improved penalties.....because there are no improvements there. The vision is clear. It is about MUT, Madden bowl and micro transactions.
    At least MLB The Show improves gameplay every single solitary year without fail. Hats off to that team.
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    Amen
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    PhillyPhanatic14
    This video means nothing. It's a cute gesture, but until they actually invest in the mode, which it's probably too late at this point to actually do this year, this stuff means nothing.
    Also- this is 100% confirmation that next-gen has the exact same mode. This would've been the time to sell us on that, not whine about how they can't add to the mode this year because they're working from home.

    I agree with second part.
    This would have been the perfect time to say "While the franchise guys are disappointed now, just wait until we reveal more next gen information. We have something special for you guys." With that statement, that says probably had no plans for next gen either
    That makes me wonder what they were going to promote for Next Gen. Outside of the Lighting/Visuals and Spatialized audio/other hardware features, I hope there were a lot more done. I see FoTF being the same outside of higher quality cutscenes. If Franchise wasn't going to get any love, what else were they going to do. I hope it isn't just another gimmicky mode.
    I just hope next gen isn't just improved visuals/immersion(hopefully) and improved gameplay. I don't just want an improved version of current gen Madden. I want a next gen Madden. I rather they built from the ground up for next gen..
    Sorry but at this point “working on bolstering” isn’t good enough. I have been “working on” losing weight for the last 20 years. And what exactly is “bolstering?” I think the word EA is looking for is overhauling.
    I need to hear that franchise is their priority. And I need to hear how they are implementing it. What feedback are they soliciting? I sure hope it is not the same people who told you that face of the franchise nonsense is the way to go.
    kennylc321
    Sorry but at this point “working on bolstering” isn’t good enough. I have been “working on” losing weight for the last 20 years. And what exactly is “bolstering?” I think the word EA is looking for is overhauling.
    I need to hear that franchise is their priority. And I need to hear how they are implementing it. What feedback are they soliciting? I sure hope it is not the same people who told you that face of the franchise nonsense is the way to go.

    It doesn’t even matter what they SAY. The last 2/3 years they said they were “recommitted to franchise”.
    illwill10
    I agree with second part.
    This would have been the perfect time to say "While the franchise guys are disappointed now, just wait until we reveal more next gen information. We have something special for you guys." With that statement, that says probably had no plans for next gen either
    That makes me wonder what they were going to promote for Next Gen. Outside of the Lighting/Visuals and Spatialized audio/other hardware features, I hope there were a lot more done. I see FoTF being the same outside of higher quality cutscenes. If Franchise wasn't going to get any love, what else were they going to do. I hope it isn't just another gimmicky mode.
    I just hope next gen isn't just improved visuals/immersion(hopefully) and improved gameplay. I don't just want an improved version of current gen Madden. I want a next gen Madden. I rather they built from the ground up for next gen..

    We already know, “living worlds” or whatever term they are using this time around, “dynamic lighting” or whatever term they are using this time around, “improved played models”, and my personal favorite like its an actual feature, faster load times!!!
    Don’t know what to think being this is EA, we will have to wait and see.
    My problem is EA’s Football Game has more Problems than just Franchise. I’m hoping they do try and bolster Franchise don’t get me wrong. But. Gameplay is sooo far from where it should be in 2020 (IMO).
    Just general animations- lack of proper modes working correctly (Coach Mode)
    Lack of imagination in Game Presentation...ex: a Pregame show that is more statistical in terms of teams that are playing ect...
    I don’t think I’ll ever see these things addressed but I’m hoping for the best, just not confident EA remembers what a NFL experience means anymore...
    Armor and Sword
    This is how I feel about Madden 21 in a nutshell.
    They roll out the much touted “scenario engine” on Madden 20 which turned out to be nothing much.
    They did not even put an ounce of effort to improve and expand it for 21. Such a lack of effort on it, no mention in the Madden Classic Franchise patch notes for 21
    That is a clear vision from EA on the state of “Classic we are not touching” franchise mode on Madden 21.
    We have a choice. Buy it or don’t buy it.
    It was a heck of run. But until I see this game truly commit to making franchise mode feel like a real mode of team building where the CPU can do what I do? Until the CPU AI is drastically improved upon?
    ...

    Well said. I'm right there with you. I'd really love to see the core aspects to franchise overhauled and actually fixed before they start adding anything on and tackling presentation/immersion.
    To me, the CPU limitations and core stat tracking being broken are the biggest issues I have with franchise. Immersion and presentation and any new feature are icing on top for me. I usually turn off/skip most of the presentation stuff because it is outdated and I never cared for it much to begin with.
    I just want the ability to control a team in a solo franchise for years on years and for the CPU to not have to be constantly micro-managed for all 31 additional teams by myself so that the experience is rewarding. And then there are all the issues with stat tracking. Stats being outright broken and not tallied (for like the last 3 years many players' stats don't count). Tracking which teams players played for and simple stuff like that. All of that is available on pro football reference to begin with. Why not just work on scripts to pull all of that data in? I could do that in a few afternoons of work.
    And then there is the CPU AI on the field and how broken it is. CPU running the ball all game until the 4th quarter when they are down. It gives the CPU no chance to come back in some games. Making stupid decisions not even knowing what to do in OT. And then all the other simple decisions. Subbing/roster management. CPU not starting highly drafted rookies as well, which hinders their development.
    Those are the core aspects. CPU on and off the field, like you mention, and stats.
    Armor and Sword
    This is how I feel about Madden 21 in a nutshell.
    They roll out the much touted “scenario engine” on Madden 20 which turned out to be nothing much.
    They did not even put an ounce of effort to improve and expand it for 21. Such a lack of effort on it, no mention in the Madden Classic Franchise patch notes for 21
    That is a clear vision from EA on the state of “Classic we are not touching” franchise mode on Madden 21.
    We have a choice. Buy it or don’t buy it.
    It was a heck of run. But until I see this game truly commit to making franchise mode feel like a real mode of team building where the CPU can do what I do? Until the CPU AI is drastically improved upon?
    What is the point? The CPU AI is wretched compared to a few other sports titles (The Show and NBA2K).
    I mean downright embarrassing.
    You can put all the bells and whistles you want into franchise mode, but if the CPU is brain dead playing on and off then field then who gives a real rats *** about it?
    That is the real core issue for offline solitaire franchise guys like myself.
    They gotta get gameplay from the AI and gameplay from a simulation mode right. They have failed in several aspects of that.
    That is the core foundation of a great sports game. Madden has not accomplished that in over a decade and a half.
    Penalties, injuries, foot planting, true player weight and momentum, true authentic broadcast presentation.....i am done waiting.
    Until those things are truly “upgraded” like I said....it was a good run for me.
    Here is hoping to something better on PS5.
    They peaked on PS4 with Madden 16 and it truly has been all downhill in terms of simulation gameplay since.
    Too many complaints of too many flags and injuries....it has stymied the progression of this game.
    Facts.
    Off-ball Injuries worked amazingly well on M19. Kids complained profusely..nerfed for 20.
    Penalties were awesome on 16....complaints ensued....nerfed worse each and every iteration since.
    Tackling was smooth and fun on 16 (like the first time we had real gang tackles since Madden 2010 LOL) nerfed ever since. So stiff....and arcade like now.
    CPU QB AI was outstanding on 16.....worse each iteration ever since. I mean so much freaking editing having to be done to get them to not be brain dead.
    RB AI is really good on 20......so what will happen on 21? LOL!!!
    It simply never ends. 1 step forward 3 steps back.....we have never seen a truly complete game top to bottom gameplay wise. They cannot decide what they want to be.....actually they have. It is becoming clear.
    And that’s cool. Time for me to just bow out. No worries. I mean....it is just a game right? I can play Madden 16 and 20....and heck even go back to some older ones on the PS3 and PS2 and have fun because they have what I am looking for. Heck NCAA 14....awesome game. It has the depth I love with Dynasty mode and the true uniqueness across the over 112 teams with playbooks, AI behavior etc.
    There are options out there as long as you can play older titles that did things a lot better than recently (Madden 17, 18 and 19 were simply failures in the end and Madden 20 to me was a very solid effort.....but Madden 21 is shaping up to be nothing more than a mailed in effort knowing they are moving on to the PS5).
    Zero effort for franchise players, no mention of improved AI, improved injuries, improved penalties.....because there are no improvements there. The vision is clear. It is about MUT, Madden bowl and micro transactions.
    At least MLB The Show improves gameplay every single solitary year without fail. Hats off to that team.
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    Ditto....Ditto.....well said...very well said!
    Kanobi
    Franchise mode improvements are rightfully at the forefront but honestly they need to rebuild the game.
    One of the primary problems I have always had with Madden is the tackling. Outside of maybe the hit stick animations, there is this sort of slow, underwater, "and we all...fall...dooown!" gentle type of feel to tackling. There is no sense of suddeness, true impact or explosiveness.....no sense of physicality.
    It detracts completely from the immersion of the game and it has plagued Madden since forever and continues in M21. I don't see how they fix it without tearing the whole thing up and starting fresh.

    I was hoping for a new physics engine for next gen but it doesn’t sound like we are getting anything special.
    If you look at Madden 06 as we transitioned onto new more powerful consoles and how “bare bones” that game was, fast forward to Madden 21 moving to again, a new more powerful console, these moments will be 100% identical.
    There was no advancement of the game, Franchise or Gameplay leading into the transition.
    “Just Stripped Bare Bones” game being sold (seems very familiar)
    What we’re seeing today is part of the EA’s overall business model as was with M06.
    Two unexpected differences....
    1) Pandemic
    2) Social Media
    Not even gameplay is that much different in M21.
    Bare Bones going to a new console (ie Madden 06)
    rudyjuly2
    I was hoping for a new physics engine for next gen but it doesn’t sound like we are getting anything special.

    Me too. I was hoping with the more powerful CPU, that we see new physics engine and overhauled AI..
    I'm still going to hold out judgement on next gen until they reveal more info. Way how it's going now they might not reveal next gen info until after current gen comes out
    Not sure what they have in mind for additions to franchise mode this late in the game. Maybe more so on the next gen. But they did add Fantasy Draft to Franchise mode after the release a bunch of years ago. So maybe they can.
    Though it would be ironic (if that is right word). Whole year of time to add new things, we get a few patch notes. 2 months before realese we get something. that would be quite interesting and just show how much they could do to that mode if they actually put the time in
    jmurphy31
    Not sure what they have in mind for additions to franchise mode this late in the game. Maybe more so on the next gen. But they did add Fantasy Draft to Franchise mode after the release a bunch of years ago. So maybe they can.
    Though it would be ironic (if that is right word). Whole year of time to add new things, we get a few patch notes. 2 months before realese we get something. that would be quite interesting and just show how much they could do to that mode if they actually put the time in

    This is why I said it was a potential lose-lose for EA. Either they can't really add anything in and M21's franchise is a joke with the lack of updates. Or they actually add some significant items in a short span and we're left in a spot where we wonder why if they can add these items in a short time frame we continuously get shafted with so little updates to the mode year after year.
    Only way for them to win is for them to actually commit towards making franchise a staple of the game for multiple releases moving forward. Anything else and they are going to come off as liars and lose even more credibility.
    Yrogergj24
    Keep the pressure up until the game comes out.
    Wait to see what the improvements are in footage after the game comes out before you consider buying the game or even playing it after acquiring it secondhand.
    Talking the talk is one thing, wait for them to walk the walk before you commit your money or playtime to this game

    In reality they wont do anything until they see low sales
    TheRandomOne
    In reality they wont do anything until they see low sales

    Not necessarily. The THREAT of low sales can be a motivator, too. If they feel like they might lose a bunch of customers, they'll change things with the quickness.
    Elite Team Killer
    Not necessarily. The THREAT of low sales can be a motivator, too. If they feel like they might lose a bunch of customers, they'll change things with the quickness.

    Very true. We sometime forget that they are a publicly traded company. Out of fear of low sales investors could dump stock taking money out of the company. Now you have stock dumps and lower projected sales, two things a business does not want to happen.
    I know EA has not done anything to keep our trust in them, but we are stuck in this relationship with them. He have to hold them accountable for their actions. We can call Madden 21 a wash but hold out hope that Madden 22 will be a step in the right direction. If not then we are all back in this same boat next summer.
    I'm a bit sceptical of this announcement. It came a few hours before the beta was available to download and divert attention from #FixMaddenFranchise. The timing here is important. We've had promises before but then been given excuses.
    RogerDodger
    I'm a bit sceptical of this announcement. It came a few hours before the beta was available to download and divert attention from #FixMaddenFranchise. The timing here is important. We've had promises before but then been given excuses.
    Exactly. They know what they're doing.
    We just have to keep pounding.
    mmm, I have a statement in my signature on how I feel.
    I guess I'm glad they acknowledged the Twitter storm.
    I'll quote from my favorite music group:
    Show me, don't tell me, I've heard it all before.
    Low expectations in less than 2 months, very low.
    Elite Team Killer
    Not necessarily. The THREAT of low sales can be a motivator, too. If they feel like they might lose a bunch of customers, they'll change things with the quickness.

    & if the people that still buy this game STILLS gives them PLENTY OF MONEY in MICROTRANSACTIONS without the franchise buyers ? Franchise goes bye bye PERMANENTLY as the MICROTRANSACTIONS will make up for any loss of sales & THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE COUNTING ON. It is either OVER ALL LOW SALES OR SAY BYE BYE
    Please everyone, don't be too easily swayed by a simple response from anyone. It's certainly possible that some improvements to the Franchise Mode can be made post-launch, but I view this response as a catch-all to the furious storm EA is witnessing right now.
    Talk is cheap. It always has been. Therefore, until there is hard evidence that changes and improvements have, in fact, been added as supplemental elements to Madden 21, they still saved me $60.
    Again everyone, don't buy into any misdirected claims. Wait patiently and keep the storm active.
    TheRandomOne
    & if the people that still buy this game STILLS gives them PLENTY OF MONEY in MICROTRANSACTIONS without the franchise buyers ? Franchise goes bye bye PERMANENTLY as the MICROTRANSACTIONS will make up for any loss of sales & THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE COUNTING ON. It is either OVER ALL LOW SALES OR SAY BYE BYE
    That's not true though. Bad publicity can be worse than low sales especially with the NFLs reputation tied to the product. Look at what Fed Ex and Nike just did to the Redskins.
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    Cowboyfan_19
    At least give us back the ability to see the weekly NFL schedule & simulate each game showing us the scores.
    I remember on the old PS2 maddens I could simulate a season in like a minute while seeing every game for every team on the schedule while I did it.
    Then the 360 games took a lot longer to simulate with all the loading & what not, & this gen of consoles is unbearable to sim through. You can't see anything!

    Ditto that ..you used to be able to bring up a game and move the controller to the middle and watch also...no more
    I have dug through all of the binary files for CFM, these list of things that could EASILY be added within the current system CFM for sure by first patch and most of it by launch.
    ROSTER MANAGEMENT
    Increased the minimum overall for all positions and tighten the grading system to encourage teams to upgrade the position. Turn the damn player roles back on for QBs so young guys stop getting replaced so fast, shouldnt have to increase Daniel Jones ratings to stop this. Increase the player value of older guys, no reason someone should be ignored because he is old but still has an 85 overall. Increase the offseason bidding by CPU. Also DISABLE showing the user the bid % a player is getting from other teams. Turn up the cap casualties settings for all positions. Increase the active minimum position requirement for CPU so they stop going in to games with 1 healthy HB. Increase trade frequency and team aggressiveness.
    PROGRESSION/REGRESSION/PRODUCTION SYSTEM
    Remove XP/scenario non sense and go with RANDOM dice-roll progression based off dev trait that can vary every time u start a new CFM (the tdawg system). The progression is run the VERY first week of preseason and thats it. That way it seems like guy got better over the offseason. Give a player a hidden max overall rating with the dice roll and he has 5 years to reach it. Find a way to turn the training system to speed up the process for a player. So rookie QB with normal dev trait is a 73 overall, he gets rice roll of 81 max rating. He gets ALL of that at start of 2nd year but basically peaks. Another rookie QB is a 73 overall but has a 95 max rating and slow reaches it by his 5th year. To compound on the new progression you then turn conf/morale in to a production rating. Revamping this leads to lower/higher overall and dev trait increases based off statistical performance. With a min/max rating gain of 9 points either way depending on how great/poor season you have. So the helps with guys who have peaked at max overall rating. A reroll is done at the start of offseason week 1 that looks for dev trait increases, which would then give a max overall rating boost to player who upgraded his dev trait heading in to the next progression. Lastly, revamp how regression works, instead of a steep hill decline make it a peak age drop-off. Use the new production system to help offset the effect of a player declining. Obviously dev trait will slow down how much a guy decreases.
    DRAFT/SCOUTING
    This is the one that sucks because you cant do much without stripping everything and rebuilding it. So for starters create a section purely for drafting database like you did for xfactors. Put the storylines/tweets/scouting/big board all in one spot and never have it disappear. Revamp the weighted system so that the ratings for the archetypes is more inline with the base roster to keep the balance in tact for suture seasons. Also add in a few anomalies for archetypes that allows for a speedy possession WR or a powerback on the verge of being an elusive type. Stop pigeon holing and limiting the variety of guys. Also tone down the amount of xfactor/superstar to keep the balance for future seasons as well.
    RANDOM
    -Historical stat tracking, previous team history in player stat column
    Yes there is plenty of more I WANT, but this is bare minimum that can actually be done in the next 6-12 weeks.
    xSABOx

    RANDOM
    -Historical stat tracking, previous team history in player stat column
    Yes there is plenty of more I WANT, but this is bare minimum that can actually be done in the next 6-12 weeks.

    I'd be more excited than I really should be just to get previous teams added to player cards. If it is that simple to implement, there's honestly no excuse it hasn't been added in at some point this generation. Seems like carelessness and oversight, honestly.
    Out of curiosity, Sabo, what other aspects of historical stat tracking would be relatively quick/easy to add?
    goalieump413
    Please everyone, don't be too easily swayed by a simple response from anyone. It's certainly possible that some improvements to the Franchise Mode can be made post-launch, but I view this response as a catch-all to the furious storm EA is witnessing right now.
    Talk is cheap. It always has been. Therefore, until there is hard evidence that changes and improvements have, in fact, been added as supplemental elements to Madden 21, they still saved me $60.
    Again everyone, don't buy into any misdirected claims. Wait patiently and keep the storm active.

    Talk is cheap but it's still worth more than silence. I think rather than the focus being around what was said, it needs to be on who said it. It wasn't a community manager, it wasn't a dev, it was the executive producer. That's pretty big and is still going to mean nothing to some people but it should be considered significant because I can't remember something like this happening before. Madden 21 is pretty much a wash at this point and this statement doesn't mean anything will change in the future because we've all heard it before and obviously talk is cheap.
    But that's also why it's important to keep things up until and through launch. We just got their curiosity, now it's time to get their attention and (hopefully) keep it. I'll be one of the first ones to say that it's just words and it's just a step and there's a LONG way to go but it's a step nonetheless which is progress however little it may be.
    xSABOx
    I have dug through all of the binary files for CFM, these list of things that could EASILY be added within the current system CFM for sure by first patch and most of it by launch.
    ROSTER MANAGEMENT
    Increased the minimum overall for all positions and tighten the grading system to encourage teams to upgrade the position. Turn the damn player roles back on for QBs so young guys stop getting replaced so fast, shouldnt have to increase Daniel Jones ratings to stop this. Increase the player value of older guys, no reason someone should be ignored because he is old but still has an 85 overall. Increase the offseason bidding by CPU. Also DISABLE showing the user the bid % a player is getting from other teams. Turn up the cap casualties settings for all positions. Increase the active minimum position requirement for CPU so they stop going in to games with 1 healthy HB. Increase trade frequency and team aggressiveness.
    PROGRESSION/REGRESSION/PRODUCTION SYSTEM
    Remove XP/scenario non sense and go with RANDOM dice-roll progression based off dev trait that can vary every time u start a new CFM (the tdawg system). The progression is run the VERY first week of preseason and thats it. That way it seems like guy got better over the offseason. Give a player a hidden max overall rating with the dice roll and he has 5 years to reach it. Find a way to turn the training system to speed up the process for a player. So rookie QB with normal dev trait is a 73 overall, he gets rice roll of 81 max rating. He gets ALL of that at start of 2nd year but basically peaks. Another rookie QB is a 73 overall but has a 95 max rating and slow reaches it by his 5th year. To compound on the new progression you then turn conf/morale in to a production rating. Revamping this leads to lower/higher overall and dev trait increases based off statistical performance. With a min/max rating gain of 9 points either way depending on how great/poor season you have. So the helps with guys who have peaked at max overall rating. A reroll is done at the start of offseason week 1 that looks for dev trait increases, which would then give a max overall rating boost to player who upgraded his dev trait heading in to the next progression. Lastly, revamp how regression works, instead of a steep hill decline make it a peak age drop-off. Use the new production system to help offset the effect of a player declining. Obviously dev trait will slow down how much a guy decreases.
    DRAFT/SCOUTING
    This is the one that sucks because you cant do much without stripping everything and rebuilding it. So for starters create a section purely for drafting database like you did for xfactors. Put the storylines/tweets/scouting/big board all in one spot and never have it disappear. Revamp the weighted system so that the ratings for the archetypes is more inline with the base roster to keep the balance in tact for suture seasons. Also add in a few anomalies for archetypes that allows for a speedy possession WR or a powerback on the verge of being an elusive type. Stop pigeon holing and limiting the variety of guys. Also tone down the amount of xfactor/superstar to keep the balance for future seasons as well.
    RANDOM
    -Historical stat tracking, previous team history in player stat column
    Yes there is plenty of more I WANT, but this is bare minimum that can actually be done in the next 6-12 weeks.

    this idea maybe not possible right away but so training isnt useless I would remove all gameplan boosts and reward a diff way. If you have a successful training, take the abilities like hot route master/play predictor etc and assign it to a player on the team just for the following week.
    ripcandlestickpark
    I'd be more excited than I really should be just to get previous teams added to player cards. If it is that simple to implement, there's honestly no excuse it hasn't been added in at some point this generation. Seems like carelessness and oversight, honestly.
    Out of curiosity, Sabo, what other aspects of historical stat tracking would be relatively quick/easy to add?

    Ive tried everything to turn that stuff on but I’ve only found an old team setting randomly available in the roster view screen? And it doesn’t even work right lol
    They have an entire section dedicated to memory and history in the files. They can easily put a little section for it
    roadman
    mmm, I have a statement in my signature on how I feel.
    I guess I'm glad they acknowledged the Twitter storm.
    I'll quote from my favorite music group:
    Show me, don't tell me, I've heard it all before.
    Low expectations in less than 2 months, very low.

    Dude Rush!!!!
    FREAKING RULES!!!!! Been a fan since 1981. Saw every tour since starting with Signals all the way to R40. Seen them 23 times. HUGE influence on my own guitar playing and life in general.
    Hence my handle here of Armor And Sword.
    Unacceptable and unbelievable that they should be caught flat footed about the community response. Do they think Franchise is in a good state? So they think Franchise is what we want in the condition it's in? Did they honestly think those patch notes were acceptable to us?
    That's a total joke to me that they would act surprised. No, they rolled the dice and thought they could get by with minimal improvements to Franchise mode in an effort to push those efforts to next gen work and they got caught.
    That's my two cents.
    Don't fall for this. EA is going to pay lip service, then wait on the sales numbers. If the sales numbers meet expectations, nothing is going to change. EA is like that bad boyfriend who doesn't treat his GF right but when she finally goes to leave he promises to change and be better. Then when she stays, after a short while its back to the same crap.
    Also don't get it twisted. That "leak" was 100% planned. It was designed to change the conversation. Politicians do it all the time.
    I'm done with Madden until I see results. No more will I fall for promises of improvements in the future
    xSABOx
    I have dug through all of the binary files for CFM, these list of things that could EASILY be added within the current system CFM for sure by first patch and most of it by launch.
    ROSTER MANAGEMENT
    Increased the minimum overall for all positions and tighten the grading system to encourage teams to upgrade the position. Turn the damn player roles back on for QBs so young guys stop getting replaced so fast, shouldnt have to increase Daniel Jones ratings to stop this. Increase the player value of older guys, no reason someone should be ignored because he is old but still has an 85 overall. Increase the offseason bidding by CPU. Also DISABLE showing the user the bid % a player is getting from other teams. Turn up the cap casualties settings for all positions. Increase the active minimum position requirement for CPU so they stop going in to games with 1 healthy HB. Increase trade frequency and team aggressiveness.
    PROGRESSION/REGRESSION/PRODUCTION SYSTEM
    Remove XP/scenario non sense and go with RANDOM dice-roll progression based off dev trait that can vary every time u start a new CFM (the tdawg system). The progression is run the VERY first week of preseason and thats it. That way it seems like guy got better over the offseason. Give a player a hidden max overall rating with the dice roll and he has 5 years to reach it. Find a way to turn the training system to speed up the process for a player. So rookie QB with normal dev trait is a 73 overall, he gets rice roll of 81 max rating. He gets ALL of that at start of 2nd year but basically peaks. Another rookie QB is a 73 overall but has a 95 max rating and slow reaches it by his 5th year. To compound on the new progression you then turn conf/morale in to a production rating. Revamping this leads to lower/higher overall and dev trait increases based off statistical performance. With a min/max rating gain of 9 points either way depending on how great/poor season you have. So the helps with guys who have peaked at max overall rating. A reroll is done at the start of offseason week 1 that looks for dev trait increases, which would then give a max overall rating boost to player who upgraded his dev trait heading in to the next progression. Lastly, revamp how regression works, instead of a steep hill decline make it a peak age drop-off. Use the new production system to help offset the effect of a player declining. Obviously dev trait will slow down how much a guy decreases.
    DRAFT/SCOUTING
    This is the one that sucks because you cant do much without stripping everything and rebuilding it. So for starters create a section purely for drafting database like you did for xfactors. Put the storylines/tweets/scouting/big board all in one spot and never have it disappear. Revamp the weighted system so that the ratings for the archetypes is more inline with the base roster to keep the balance in tact for suture seasons. Also add in a few anomalies for archetypes that allows for a speedy possession WR or a powerback on the verge of being an elusive type. Stop pigeon holing and limiting the variety of guys. Also tone down the amount of xfactor/superstar to keep the balance for future seasons as well.
    RANDOM
    -Historical stat tracking, previous team history in player stat column
    Yes there is plenty of more I WANT, but this is bare minimum that can actually be done in the next 6-12 weeks.

    I host our league on daddyleagues.com. There are reports you can get on there for your league that you can’t get in game. They also have a much better game log for individual players. You can see what team the player played on the season before. I can go back and see what my teams players and stats were in previous seasons. Crazy how they can provide that info but the game itself can’t or doesn’t.
    hoosierbengal
    I host our league on daddyleagues.com. There are reports you can get on there for your league that you can’t get in game. They also have a much better game log for individual players. You can see what team the player played on the season before. I can go back and see what my teams players and stats were in previous seasons. Crazy how they can provide that info but the game itself can’t or doesn’t.

    They can track all of that because it relies on entire league export information which contains that info and then can be tracked. Unfortunately none of that is coded into that game. This has been one of my desires in Madden for years.
    It boggles my mind that they don't just go all in on franchise for a year. Make it awesome. Then you can add small stuff every year and we would be quite happy. Madden 05 through 08 basically had the same franchise and I poured hundreds of hours into it. It was deep enough and fun enough that it sustained almost an entire console generation. Most franchise modes today are mostly small tweaks and features because the groundwork was laid so that the core mode was fun and deep. Madden is neither. All we want is something new to do every year. Some small little hint of immersion. I was really excited for the future of the scenario engine. Having these amazing things play out that mirror what happens in the NFL. Giving the CPU scenarios and then revamping stories to revolve around the scenarios. That's immersion. But in typical EA fashion they add something one year and forget about it the next.
    Just eliminate or reduce all the little immersion breakers and it can be a much better game. Our expectations are so low right now. And i don't see that changing anytime soon. We told them what we want. On forums, community days, countless hours of feedback. And to pretend that now they finally hear our feedback is a joke.
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    Good to hear they heard the outcry of their laziness. Hopefully they start making an effort improving the most important part of the game (to many).
    I will not be buying this year (they still probably won't add much). But if they make some real effort by next year (NBA 2Ks MyLeague), then I will buy get that.
    Team History on past seasons and beyond as your in tour franchise..Teams names in players cards that the players have played for..Being able to see who won the past Superbowls and present ones in history and on players cards in there award history will add realism and Longevity to get us to M22..
    BadAssHskr
    Who knows what will happen, but it's pretty cool to see the franchise crowd got their attention.

    I respectfully disagree that its cool to just come out with a statement after everything thats happened. It means zero without follow through. It will be cool if some major additions take place this cycle as a result. Right now though, with their reputation, it means very little in my opinion.
    For me it’s too late...I think that EA showed how much the franchise community means to them by totally ignoring us in the first place. We are bottom of the list when it comes to Madden. The statement is just to save face. We have heard of no action since the statement either. This will be the first year that I have never bought Madden since it was first made, it’s sad but it’s just something I have to do.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    It may have been pointed out earlier in this thread and I just forgot it, but I've seen some people say that franchise players are a dying breed. According to Rex Dickson on Twitter and then in an interview with SoftDrinkTV on youtube, Rec stated that Franchise saw record numbers and was still the most played mode.
    You can take his word for what you want. Maybe we do get our tinfoil hats on and accuse EA of making the mode so bland to force people to MUT out of boredom.
    At this point,  they could simply delay the game like they did live. I'm not even wasting my time.  Sounds like they did nothing different. Pay the reviewers to not review the game and crash websites that allow for user reviews.  
    drugsbunny
    At this point,* they could simply delay the game like they did live. I'm not even wasting my time.* Sounds like they did nothing different. Pay the reviewers to not review the game and crash websites that allow for user reviews.**

    Is it me or the reviewers give Madden the same score and always say say step in the right direction 🤔
    Paying the reviewers might some truth to it.
    Blah Blah Blah... they will continue to ignore franchise mode. We've heard this lip service before, and for decades franchise mode has continued to rot due to EA's negligence.
    Baseball, Football, and Hockey all have titles with decent franchise modes. Especially baseball with The Show. Madden's franchise mode is a stale joke.
    Same mechanics for over a decade, same relocation cities and ugly 3 uniform choices per city since 2012. No custom team and stadium since it was removed a decade ago. No coordinators on offense and defense for over a decade. No ability to front load contracts and franchise finances are divorced from reality. Heck, even the menu's are unchanged except for tweaking the GUI every year or two. A complete and total joke. No historical stat tracking with team history. Worst. Franchise. Mode. Ever.
    I haven't bought a new version of Madden in years, and this year will be no different. I always buy a used copy for $20 a month or two after release, and each year I am glad I did as franchise mode is usually a carbon copy of the previous year.
    This year will be no different.
    TheShizNo1
    Lets not go the "lazy" route.
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    Its worse than lazy. Its negligence, ignorance, and greed.
    (likely on the part of their supervisors and stakeholders, as opposed to the developers themselves. But still, far worse than laziness.)
    Since they touted the expanded wild card as a franchise update I guess they are going to tout the addition of 10 year contracts now that Mahomes broke the Madden contract system.
    patsfan1993
    Since they touted the expanded wild card as a franchise update I guess they are going to tout the addition of 10 year contracts now that Mahomes broke the Madden contract system.

    Will they tout the fact that their preseason is out of date for this upcoming year? Or maybe that's one of the changes they'll make and celebrate. I wouldn't be surprised if they honestly did that.
    It was nice to at least see it be acknowledged but at this point I just want to see action not just some words. How can they come with a new franchise feature list that reads more like patch notes than a new game just one year after feeding us lines about how starting with Madden 20 there was a renewed focus on franchise mode, or a "rededication" to the mode as they put it. At this point I'm at the I'll believe it when I actually see results stage with EA sports as a company.
    IcedCoffee1983
    Blah Blah Blah... they will continue to ignore franchise mode. We've heard this lip service before, and for decades franchise mode has continued to rot due to EA's negligence.
    Baseball, Football, and Hockey all have titles with decent franchise modes. Especially baseball with The Show. Madden's franchise mode is a stale joke.
    Same mechanics for over a decade, same relocation cities and ugly 3 uniform choices per city since 2012. No custom team and stadium since it was removed a decade ago. No coordinators on offense and defense for over a decade. No ability to front load contracts and franchise finances are divorced from reality. Heck, even the menu's are unchanged except for tweaking the GUI every year or two. A complete and total joke. No historical stat tracking with team history. Worst. Franchise. Mode. Ever.
    I haven't bought a new version of Madden in years, and this year will be no different. I always buy a used copy for $20 a month or two after release, and each year I am glad I did as franchise mode is usually a carbon copy of the previous year.
    This year will be no different.

    Haven’t seen restricted free agents since PS2 days either.
    simbayless
    Is it me or the reviewers give Madden the same score and always say say step in the right direction 🤔
    Paying the reviewers might some truth to it.

    Putting aside that Madden has not consistently received the same score over the years: video game reviewers don't get paid off. That lie has been debunked countless times, and further the question "do game companies pay off video game reviewers?" has never been asked by anyone without their own agenda.
    Let's leave that worthless conspiracy theory behind in 2010, please.
    I've gotten into the habit of buying Madden when its price drops to $30 - so either on Black Friday or shortly before.
    Hoping that the devs make some legit franchise mode improvements by then.
    However, I'm not holding my breath.
    As of right now, I'd say there's a 75% chance, I just keep rolling with Madden 20 and skip this year's version. I honestly have enjoyed 20 a good bit - warts and all.
    CM Hooe
    Putting aside that Madden has not consistently received the same score over the years: video game reviewers don't get paid off. That lie has been debunked countless times, and further the question "do game companies pay off video game reviewers?" has never been asked by anyone without their own agenda.
    Let's leave that worthless conspiracy theory behind in 2010, please.

    Not in the sense of money directly transferring hands, but when you get youtubers who get the game early and use it to make content, it behooves them to give it a good score.
    CM Hooe
    Putting aside that Madden has not consistently received the same score over the years: video game reviewers don't get paid off. That lie has been debunked countless times, and further the question "do game companies pay off video game reviewers?" has never been asked by anyone without their own agenda.
    Let's leave that worthless conspiracy theory behind in 2010, please.

    I don't believe reviewers get paid off, but in some areas there is definite pressure to be gentle in criticisms.
    And conspiracy theory aside, the dude was absolutely right with his comment about "step in the right direction."
    Feels like this has become the video game equivalent to Zeno's Paradox
    stinkubus
    So Madden overtakes the tortoise at t = 2?

    At the rate that Madden is going, i don't think Madden will ever even overtake the tortoise.
    Outside of the missing features and what feels like intentional ignoring of the mode for most of a decade, I think the things that bothers me the most about franchise are....
    1. Franchise team is rumored to be the biggest team, yet the MUT team runs circles around them when it comes to content/support throughout the year. MUT has a community manager; franchise don't. I get it. MUT is the bread winner. But damn. You would think they could afford a franchise community manager without putting a dent in the earnings report.
    2. PC guys like SABO and others. It's really been an eye-opener seeing the things the PC community has been able to do. But it leaves me wondering why the dev team can't do it too? It seems like there's several "quality of life" tweaks that could be made rather quickly to "bolster" the mode. And it wouldn't require much "planning".
    I don't know. I'm frustrated and fed up with all of them; from the CEO to the cereal runner. I turn 50 later this year. I'm beginning to wonder if I'll live long enough to see (or care to see) a franchise mode that rivals past Madden's, NCAA14, and HC09 from the PS2/PS3 days. Pretty darn sad.
    Rant over.
    ggsimmonds
    I don't believe reviewers get paid off, but in some areas there is definite pressure to be gentle in criticisms.
    And conspiracy theory aside, the dude was absolutely right with his comment about "step in the right direction."
    Feels like this has become the video game equivalent to Zeno's Paradox

    The problem with your take on this is that more people buy and enjoy the game than you want to admit. Even if franchise guys do admit this, they follow that with comments about “real football fans” and making the game for kids.
    The game sells blockbuster numbers every year. EA knows how much their game is being played and works to maintain as much daily engagement as possible.
    I’ve known since the 90s, when sim and franchise mattered more to me, that traditional game reviews were not relevant to me. They were aim at 90% of EA’s base, who just want to play a football game with their favorite stars and teams.
    Those reviews are accurate. They are more accurate for me, once I stopped trying to pretend that franchise and sim play in console sports games was not only nearly impossible to pull off, mostly, it alienated many sports fans.
    The only way to read a realistic review of franchise and sim play is using the impressions in forums. You do risk becoming blind to just how small this particular niche is.
    At some point, if you are at war with the publisher, the NFL, the gaming press, and gamers that don’t care about the mode enough, maybe it’s you and not everyone else that are being unreasonable.
    We don’t deserve everything we want just because we are willing to pay for it. EA doesn’t want it to make it. The NFL doesn’t care. The press sees the issue but doesn’t find it an outrage. And gamers make it one of the best selling franchises every year.
    No one is wrong about what they like, and that a Madden lacks it. But you are killing any chance of sympathy from the larger community of gamers if you can’t be open-minded and logical about the issue.
    Instead, it’s becoming one of the more awful parts of conspiracy theories, as people lash out at enemies of the cause.
    And yes, EA’s response here is exactly what I’ve said for years. They are managing you to avoid controversy from impacting launch and first month sales.
    They're "working on" "bolstering" "plans." That's just vague enough to be completely noncommittal, but props to them for acknowledging the error. I'll at least keep my eyes open for what changes might be on the horizon, but I'm incredibly skeptical.
    JayhawkerStL
    The problem with your take on this is that more people buy and enjoy the game than you want to admit. Even if franchise guys do admit this, they follow that with comments about “real football fans” and making the game for kids.
    The game sells blockbuster numbers every year. EA knows how much their game is being played and works to maintain as much daily engagement as possible.
    I’ve known since the 90s, when sim and franchise mattered more to me, that traditional game reviews were not relevant to me. They were aim at 90% of EA’s base, who just want to play a football game with their favorite stars and teams.
    Those reviews are accurate. They are more accurate for me, once I stopped trying to pretend that franchise and sim play in console sports games was not only nearly impossible to pull off, mostly, it alienated many sports fans.
    The only way to read a realistic review of franchise and sim play is using the impressions in forums. You do risk becoming blind to just how small this particular niche is.
    At some point, if you are at war with the publisher, the NFL, the gaming press, and gamers that don’t care about the mode enough, maybe it’s you and not everyone else that are being unreasonable.
    We don’t deserve everything we want just because we are willing to pay for it. EA doesn’t want it to make it. The NFL doesn’t care. The press sees the issue but doesn’t find it an outrage. And gamers make it one of the best selling franchises every year.
    No one is wrong about what they like, and that a Madden lacks it. But you are killing any chance of sympathy from the larger community of gamers if you can’t be open-minded and logical about the issue.
    Instead, it’s becoming one of the more awful parts of conspiracy theories, as people lash out at enemies of the cause.
    And yes, EA’s response here is exactly what I’ve said for years. They are managing you to avoid controversy from impacting launch and first month sales.

    You misunderstood my point. With that comment I was not talking about my preferences. I was only backing up the commentary about Madden reviews.
    Forget about whether you or I like and enjoy the game. Over the past 8 years or so how many times have you read a Madden review where something along these lines were stated:
    "Madden may lag behind some of the other sports titles available, but this year's version is a step in the right direction."
    JayhawkerStL
    The problem with your take on this is that more people buy and enjoy the game than you want to admit. Even if franchise guys do admit this, they follow that with comments like....making the game for kids.

    I agree that's totally a childish (pun intended) take, but it's not completely wrong either. Sports games in general are gearing their games to younger customers. That means making modes that require shorter attention spans, decreasing the mental complexity required, and making modes less "stodgy" and more "fun". Kids also like playing with/against their peers - so incorporating H2H elements makes total sense. Many adults love those things as well; and frankly, revisiting the simplicity of gaming's past is quite refreshing.
    On a broader scope (outside of sports games), I frankly think that far too many games are far too serious and they've forgotten the roots of gaming as the tech has developed to make games "more realistic". My lord, some of these "games" are bloody stressful; it's great if you want to get lost in something. But man, sometimes we just need a simple escape. For every "serious" game I buy, I usually get something "more fun" to counter-balance it.
    And THAT is the issue with sports gaming right now. Sometimes people want that intense environment to get "lost in" - we really don't have that for this genre on consoles. And sometimes those more basic, simpler modes just aren't enough....it'd be like asking a diehard ARMA player to play nothing but Fortnite...it'll work for a bit, but that player will quickly begin begging for more - because THAT is how that person is wired.
    The obvious solution is simple - walk away. But where do these "disen-franchised" (pun intended) gamers go? There are NO truly great franchise modes out there for people to go to (they are all flawed in some manner). You can play 'hardball' and tell them to "go do something else"; but that's a petty and disingenuous response when people are so passionate about sports in general.
    I see both sides of this discussion. I think franchise guys do need to be reasonable, but they 100% have a reason to be 'bent'. There needs to be a middle ground, and we aren't there.
    What are franchise guys being unreasonable about? Having proper contract options, 5th year options, restricted and unrestricted free agency, compensation picks, and better stat tracking should all be required at minimum in a franchise.
    I don't see anybody asking for anything that unreasonable. It seems the vast majority of people on OS just want those things backs with smarter AI on and off of the field. Nobody is asking for EA to reinvent the wheel or have a revolutionary franchise mode. Practically every single request I've seen from here to reddit and anywhere in between has just been asking for all the features we used to have get added back into the game and nothing more.
    That seems reasonable to me, but I am one of the franchise guys, so maybe I'm just completely blind to how ridiculous it is to expect all the things mentioned in this post.
    JoshC1977
    I agree that's totally a childish (pun intended) take, but it's not completely wrong either. Sports games in general are gearing their games to younger customers. That means making modes that require shorter attention spans, decreasing the mental complexity required, and making modes less "stodgy" and more "fun". Kids also like playing with/against their peers - so incorporating H2H elements makes total sense. Many adults love those things as well; and frankly, revisiting the simplicity of gaming's past is quite refreshing.
    On a broader scope (outside of sports games), I frankly think that far too many games are far too serious and they've forgotten the roots of gaming as the tech has developed to make games "more realistic". My lord, some of these "games" are bloody stressful; it's great if you want to get lost in something. But man, sometimes we just need a simple escape. For every "serious" game I buy, I usually get something "more fun" to counter-balance it.
    And THAT is the issue with sports gaming right now. Sometimes people want that intense environment to get "lost in" - we really don't have that for this genre on consoles. And sometimes those more basic, simpler modes just aren't enough....it'd be like asking a diehard ARMA player to play nothing but Fortnite...it'll work for a bit, but that player will quickly begin begging for more - because THAT is how that person is wired.
    The obvious solution is simple - walk away. But where do these "disen-franchised" (pun intended) gamers go? There are NO truly great franchise modes out there for people to go to (they are all flawed in some manner). You can play 'hardball' and tell them to "go do something else"; but that's a petty and disingenuous response when people are so passionate about sports in general.
    I see both sides of this discussion. I think franchise guys do need to be reasonable, but they 100% have a reason to be 'bent'. There needs to be a middle ground, and we aren't there.

    Very well said.
    I think part of the problem here is the fact that there will never be a 100% accurate representation of the NFL. Game by game, week to week, or season to season, its just not possible. EA, 2k, Microsoft, whomever, I don't think anyone could pull it off.
    I am at the point where I think this ship has sailed. Really wish that were otherwise, but I'm coming to grips with it.
    MLBtS is filling the void for me. The Ultimate Base Roster did the same for awhile.
    There are other girls to dance with. But none like your first.
    canes21
    What are franchise guys being unreasonable about? Having proper contract options, 5th year options, restricted and unrestricted free agency, compensation picks, and better stat tracking should all be required at minimum in a franchise.
    I don't see anybody asking for anything that unreasonable. It seems the vast majority of people on OS just want those things backs with smarter AI on and off of the field. Nobody is asking for EA to reinvent the wheel or have a revolutionary franchise mode. Practically every single request I've seen from here to reddit and anywhere in between has just been asking for all the features we used to have get added back into the game and nothing more.
    That seems reasonable to me, but I am one of the franchise guys, so maybe I'm just completely blind to how ridiculous it is to expect all the things mentioned in this post.

    I think he was alluding to when franchise players use hyperbole and say things like the game is trash or sucks. Those people tend to turn a blind eye to others areas of the game that have improved.
    JoshC1977
    I agree that's totally a childish (pun intended) take, but it's not completely wrong either. Sports games in general are gearing their games to younger customers. That means making modes that require shorter attention spans, decreasing the mental complexity required, and making modes less "stodgy" and more "fun". Kids also like playing with/against their peers - so incorporating H2H elements makes total sense. Many adults love those things as well; and frankly, revisiting the simplicity of gaming's past is quite refreshing.
    On a broader scope (outside of sports games), I frankly think that far too many games are far too serious and they've forgotten the roots of gaming as the tech has developed to make games "more realistic". My lord, some of these "games" are bloody stressful; it's great if you want to get lost in something. But man, sometimes we just need a simple escape. For every "serious" game I buy, I usually get something "more fun" to counter-balance it.
    And THAT is the issue with sports gaming right now. Sometimes people want that intense environment to get "lost in" - we really don't have that for this genre on consoles. And sometimes those more basic, simpler modes just aren't enough....it'd be like asking a diehard ARMA player to play nothing but Fortnite...it'll work for a bit, but that player will quickly begin begging for more - because THAT is how that person is wired.
    The obvious solution is simple - walk away. But where do these "disen-franchised" (pun intended) gamers go? There are NO truly great franchise modes out there for people to go to (they are all flawed in some manner). You can play 'hardball' and tell them to "go do something else"; but that's a petty and disingenuous response when people are so passionate about sports in general.
    I see both sides of this discussion. I think franchise guys do need to be reasonable, but they 100% have a reason to be 'bent'. There needs to be a middle ground, and we aren't there.

    I think you just described the Super Mega Baseball franchise. It has just enough sim elements to combine with an arcade feel...with the core aspects of baseball nailed! 2k should really study those guys whenever they decide to make their football game.
    ggsimmonds
    I think he was alluding to when franchise players use hyperbole and say things like the game is trash or sucks. Those people tend to turn a blind eye to others areas of the game that have improved.

    There's irony in using hyperbole to respond to respond to other people's hyperbole.
    But I also think it's hypocritical to suggest that Franchise fans should be more "open minded", while at the same time suggesting to Franchise fans that "it’s you and not everyone else that are being unreasonable".
    How can one be open-minded regarding the Franchise mode if they are simultaneously calling the fans of that mode "unreasonable"?
    Mr. Robot
    There's irony in using hyperbole to respond to respond to other people's hyperbole.
    But I also think it's hypocritical to suggest that Franchise fans should be more "open minded", while at the same time suggesting to Franchise fans that "it’s you and not everyone else that are being unreasonable".
    How can one be open-minded regarding the Franchise mode if they are simultaneously calling the fans of that mode "unreasonable"?

    I think it boiled down to a misinterpretation of my post. I think he understood my post to be saying "omg there is no way Madden should get high reviews unless the reviewers were bribed."
    I took his reply to be in response to that idea. With that context in mind I think his reply makes sense.
    ggsimmonds
    I think it boiled down to a misinterpretation of my post. I think he understood my post to be saying "omg there is no way Madden should get high reviews unless the reviewers were bribed."
    I took his reply to be in response to that idea. With that context in mind I think his reply makes sense.

    His reply went beyond talking about the idea of reviewer bias.
    His reply unnecessarily segwayed into attacking Franchise fans. Not sure why he felt the need to demean the Franchise base by calling us a small niche (even though Rex stated just a couple years ago Franchise was the most-used mode), and by suggesting we are unreasonable for asking for more, and by calling this part of the community closed-minded and illogical.
    None of that was warranted. None of that is accurate. Non-franchise fans who demean Franchise fans aren't helping anyone.
    ggsimmonds
    I think he was alluding to when franchise players use hyperbole and say things like the game is trash or sucks. Those people tend to turn a blind eye to others areas of the game that have improved.

    Yes, thank you.
    A person can acknowledge the positives while criticizing the negatives. Also being empathetic of the needs of other players of the mode is just as important.
    oneamongthefence
    It boggles my mind that they don't just go all in on franchise for a year. Make it awesome. Then you can add small stuff every year and we would be quite happy. Madden 05 through 08 basically had the same franchise and I poured hundreds of hours into it. It was deep enough and fun enough that it sustained almost an entire console generation. Most franchise modes today are mostly small tweaks and features because the groundwork was laid so that the core mode was fun and deep. Madden is neither. All we want is something new to do every year. Some small little hint of immersion. I was really excited for the future of the scenario engine. Having these amazing things play out that mirror what happens in the NFL. Giving the CPU scenarios and then revamping stories to revolve around the scenarios. That's immersion. But in typical EA fashion they add something one year and forget about it the next.
    Just eliminate or reduce all the little immersion breakers and it can be a much better game. Our expectations are so low right now. And i don't see that changing anytime soon. We told them what we want. On forums, community days, countless hours of feedback. And to pretend that now they finally hear our feedback is a joke.
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    my 02 cents the suits are nevous if they do that they might lose between 15 and 25 % of causal fans that make up MUT and they might buy every 2 years or every 3 years
    Madden08PCgmr
    Very well said.
    I think part of the problem here is the fact that there will never be a 100% accurate representation of the NFL. Game by game, week to week, or season to season, its just not possible. EA, 2k, Microsoft, whomever, I don't think anyone could pull it off.
    I am at the point where I think this ship has sailed. Really wish that were otherwise, but I'm coming to grips with it.
    MLBtS is filling the void for me. The Ultimate Base Roster did the same for awhile.
    There are other girls to dance with. But none like your first.

    This is a cop out. A game from 2008 did a better job simulating football than madden has done up to this point. No game is perfect but is it too much to ask for a fb game in 2021 to be a better representation of football than a game put out in 2008?
    This is a cop out. A game from 2008 did a better job simulating football than madden has done up to this point. No game is perfect but is it too much to ask for a fb game in 2021 to be a better representation of football than a game put out in 2008?[/
    I don’t play as a “user” controlling players with a joystick. I’m an older guy have been playing Madden for years. Coach Mode is my thing creating Teams players ..CPU CPU games are important to me.
    EA has been stripping my kind of play away year after year. But I’m hanging on.
    However you play this game is fine with me ...but we all have to agree that the gameplay has to be at the core of any mode, a strong CPU intelligence and realistic graphics - animations need to be improved ...I think EA has regressed in that area.
    I’m still hanging on to hope, been watching the results of beta, like some things I hear and see from people ....guess I’ll have to wait and see.
    Feel like a Dinosaur waiting for a Neanderthal...
    Team History Stat tracking..Superbowls won in team history as well as in players profiles past and present winners shown in players award history along with the year it was won. Going back 30 years on each teams history so we can see all teams history over our franchise..Banners in stadiums To show Superbowls won and the year it was won..
    Hshaw810
    This is a cop out. A game from 2008 did a better job simulating football than madden has done up to this point. No game is perfect but is it too much to ask for a fb game in 2021 to be a better representation of football than a game put out in 2008?

    Leaving aside my disagreement with your opinion entirely, that game (from 2007, actually) didn't even have a franchise mode.
    To that end, I don't see how it is at all relevant to discussing the lack of forward progress in Madden 21's franchise mode, or EA's announcement here about their intention to support franchise mode going forward.
    Let's stay on topic.
    Hshaw810
    This is a cop out. A game from 2008 did a better job simulating football than madden has done up to this point. No game is perfect but is it too much to ask for a fb game in 2021 to be a better representation of football than a game put out in 2008?

    This is an awesome point man. Franchise in 2020 is ridiculously bare compared to what it was in 2007. It's not too much at all to ask for progression and innovation and instead what we're seeing each year is a decline in the mode. If someone had told me in 2007 that franchise 13 years later would be this bare there's no way I would've believed them. Great point man.
    Hshaw810
    This is a cop out. A game from 2008 did a better job simulating football than madden has done up to this point. No game is perfect but is it too much to ask for a fb game in 2021 to be a better representation of football than a game put out in 2008?

    I want a great game as much as you.
    After about a decade of saying that, I've resigned myself to the fact that I won't get it. My apathy is on full display.
    But seriously, where does it end? No company can mirror the NFL experience. Its too big. Its too popular. It is a bottomless pit.
    Lets just take the Draft as an example;
    I think the best I've seen so far was the format in NFL Head Coach. (I think most people would be satisfied and then some, if that was to become our new normal..)
    But is that enough? Do you want commentary on the picks? Backstories? Aaron Rodgers in the green room waiting forever, waiting to be picked? Player interviews? A recap show saying who nailed their picks, and who didn't? Undrafted free agent tracker? How in-depth should scouting be? Is scouting regionalized, with regular reports from your guys throughout the season? All-star games? Pre-draft workouts? Intolerable agents you don't want to deal with? Assistant coaches telling you what their needs are? Fueds between head coaches, GMs and Owners over selections?
    I'm sure another set of eyes could come up with a dozen more possible features. So I ask again, where does it end?
    That was my point.
    And that's just 1 facet of franchise mode. We can go even more overboard regarding coaching, gameplanning, customization......
    Madden08PCgmr
    I want a great game as much as you.
    After about a decade of saying that, I've resigned myself to the fact that I won't get it. My apathy is on full display.
    But seriously, where does it end? No company can mirror the NFL experience. Its too big. Its too popular. It is a bottomless pit.
    Lets just take the Draft as an example;
    I think the best I've seen so far was the format in NFL Head Coach. (I think most people would be satisfied and then some, if that was to become our new normal..)
    But is that enough? Do you want commentary on the picks? Backstories? Aaron Rodgers in the green room waiting forever, waiting to be picked? Player interviews? A recap show saying who nailed their picks, and who didn't? Undrafted free agent tracker? How in-depth should scouting be? Is scouting regionalized, with regular reports from your guys throughout the season? All-star games? Pre-draft workouts? Intolerable agents you don't want to deal with? Assistant coaches telling you what their needs are? Fueds between head coaches, GMs and Owners over selections?
    I'm sure another set of eyes could come up with a dozen more possible features. So I ask again, where does it end?
    That was my point.
    And that's just 1 facet of franchise mode. We can go even more overboard regarding coaching, gameplanning, customization......

    The thing with your point, though, is that we aren't even at a point where we can nitpick like what you are describing. EA doesn't do anything special with the draft. That is why complaints about franchise mode have gotten so loud. That is why it was trending on Twitter. It's because the mode has stayed so bare for so long.
    There will always be nitpickers out there in life with regards to anything. That is life. You can not go into product development and have an approach like "where does it end". That's not an approach you should take in life period. That's only asking to go crazy entering a cycle of trying to please the impossible to please.
    The issue is that EA hasn't built a foundation at all to where we can sit here and endlessly ask for ridiculous additions. We aren't in a spot to ask for something like two coaches having a feud. We don't even have assistant coaches. We can't ask for more from the basic draft recap show because we have no draft recap basically at all. We don't even have a screen that allows us to just view a table of each draft in the franchise let alone a basic show talking about a small pool of picks.
    I get where you are coming from. If franchise mode had a draft recap show and assistant coaches, then people would be asking for the show to do X and the coaches to have more impact. People will endlessly ask for improvements. The thing is, that is what comes with putting out a product annually. People will always expect you to improve and with regards to franchise mode, we've seen very little improvement in the last 8 releases now since they rebuilt the mode.
    Anyways, taking an approach worrying about where does it end is not just negative, but completely counter productive. You don't think of creating a draft recap show and then thinking of how people will always ask for more out of it. That will just lead you to scrapping the idea because it won't be perfect in year 1 or even year 2. Then you realize the next idea is the same way, then you realize all ideas are the same way and you've implemented nothing which is even worse.
    Analyze the mode, break down all the aspects to it, point out what each aspect does well, what each aspect does the worst, implement a plan to improve an area of each aspect, some big, some small, do that annually. Soon enough you've continually improved the game all around, even if it is minor improvements in a lot of areas, to a point where the 60 new small improvements over the 3 cycles make the mode feel completely different than it did 3 years ago and it makes it impossible to go back to the mode.
    Take the draft for example. Year 1 you add a basic draft recap show and a draft tracker page allowing you to view any draft class from your franchise at any time. Year 2 you add minor improvements to the recap show, you add more detail to the draft process, you make some small quality of life changes. Year 3 you add more storylines that show off player personalities and traits, those are mentioned in the recap show, and you make more quality of life improvements. When you look at the draft in that 3rd cycle with the draft recap that was created and saw small updates, the summary screen, and all of the quality of life improvements, you cannot go back and play an older version. Outside of the basic recap show no huge additions were made, but all of the continuous improvements added up to make the draft 10x better than ever before.
    That is how you build a product up. People will always complain, that's life. Never ask where does it end, ask what can be realistically improved, what can have the greatest impact on the product. Sometimes no huge additions, but 30 minor additions can completely take a product from okay to elite status simply because even the small changes add up. That is true with any product out there.
    CM Hooe
    Leaving aside my disagreement with your opinion entirely, that game (from 2007, actually) didn't even have a franchise mode.
    To that end, I don't see how it is at all relevant to discussing the lack of forward progress in Madden 21's franchise mode, or EA's announcement here about their intention to support franchise mode going forward.
    Let's stay on topic.

    And that is why it died, and that is why EA needs to seriously reconsider their direction with respect to Franchise mode.
    Elite Team Killer
    And that is why it died, and that is why EA needs to seriously reconsider their direction with respect to Franchise mode.

    I'd argue the lack of an NFL License was the real dagger. The NFL shield will pretty much sell no matter what. There's a reason EA is willing to pay $300 million per year just to have the license. As long as they have the license, the game will be a top selling game in the country year in and year out even if they neglect franchise for 5 more years.
    Madden08PCgmr
    I want a great game as much as you.
    After about a decade of saying that, I've resigned myself to the fact that I won't get it. My apathy is on full display.
    But seriously, where does it end? No company can mirror the NFL experience. Its too big. Its too popular. It is a bottomless pit.
    Lets just take the Draft as an example;
    I think the best I've seen so far was the format in NFL Head Coach. (I think most people would be satisfied and then some, if that was to become our new normal..)
    But is that enough? Do you want commentary on the picks? Backstories? Aaron Rodgers in the green room waiting forever, waiting to be picked? Player interviews? A recap show saying who nailed their picks, and who didn't? Undrafted free agent tracker? How in-depth should scouting be? Is scouting regionalized, with regular reports from your guys throughout the season? All-star games? Pre-draft workouts? Intolerable agents you don't want to deal with? Assistant coaches telling you what their needs are? Fueds between head coaches, GMs and Owners over selections?
    I'm sure another set of eyes could come up with a dozen more possible features. So I ask again, where does it end?
    That was my point.
    And that's just 1 facet of franchise mode. We can go even more overboard regarding coaching, gameplanning, customization......

    This is where it ends:
    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football/885037-connected-franchise-mode-rebuild.html
    After that, yearly tweaks are all that will be needed. But this needs to be put in post haste. One little half-created feature per year is unacceptable given the years of neglect. At the very minimum, one entirely complete aspect (scouting/draft, player contracts, etc) should be done per Madden iteration.
    For example, in one year this could be put in: (see 9:02)

    Otherwise it will nothing short of failing going forward.
    canes21
    I'd argue the lack of an NFL License was the real dagger. The NFL shield will pretty much sell no matter what. There's a reason EA is willing to pay $300 million per year just to have the license. As long as they have the license, the game will be a top selling game in the country year in and year out even if they neglect franchise for 5 more years.

    I meant the people who had already bought it stopped playing it.
    I hope the add Something they can put in and build upon it next year but make sure it works and we'll go frm there. Historical Stat tracking of all 32 Teams and Team abbreviation in player cards they have played for or playing for..History tracking was on NCAA14 with 126 teams history being tracked and kept.This would add so much going forward..Us being able to see who won the Superbowl in 03 or who won M.V.P. in the league or Superbowl in whatever year will get us moving forward because we need more in franchise mode to get us on the right track going into this Gen
    canes21
    I'd argue the lack of an NFL License was the real dagger. The NFL shield will pretty much sell no matter what

    Those days are quickly coming to an end, both on the video game front and the actual league itself. That kind of attitude is what has allowed the league to decay as much as it has. It’s a toxic mentality for any game company to have also.
    Culture Rot
    Those days are quickly coming to an end, both on the video game front and the actual league itself. That kind of attitude is what has allowed the league to decay as much as it has. It’s a toxic mentality for any game company to have also.

    I sincerely hope that is not the case. I do not like a lot of how NFL does things (within the confines of sports gaming, exclusive license for EA is certainly one of them), but the NFL might as well be the last safe haven of American football. (And I say that while being fully aware of the popularity, for the time being, of college football.) I cringe everytime I see an US (family, but not exclusively) movie where folks (moms, dads, kids) rave about soccer and pretend like real football never existed. If you guys let the game die away, you'd loose one of the core ingredients of your culture. Without football, US would be just another country. And that's coming from an outsider. But I guess this is for a whole another discussion, so sorry about that. I just hope I am old enough to never see that happening, ever.
    Executor
    I sincerely hope that is not the case. I do not like a lot of how NFL does things (within the confines of sports gaming, exclusive license for EA is certainly one of them), but the NFL might as well be the last safe haven of American football. (And I say that while being fully aware of the popularity, for the time being, of college football.) I cringe everytime I see an US (family, but not exclusively) movie where folks (moms, dads, kids) rave about soccer and pretend like real football never existed. If you guys let the game die away, you'd lost one of the core ingredients of your culture. Without football, US would be just another country. And that's coming from an outsider. But I guess this is for a whole another discussion, so sorry about that. I just hope I am old enough to never see that happening, ever.

    Everything's a trade off. But the thing is, and many people have said it, users have the power to end this exclusive license. All it would take is to stop buying the game.
    But for the record the US would still have Hollywood to set it apart if the NFL declined. Good or bad, it would still have Hollywood.
    Elite Team Killer
    Everything's a trade off. But the thing is, and many people have said it, users have the power to end this exclusive license. All it would take is to stop buying the game.
    But for the record the US would still have Hollywood to set it apart if the NFL declined. Good or bad, it would still have Hollywood.
    Not exactly where I was trying to get but the second part of your post genuinely made me smile.
    canes21
    I'd argue the lack of an NFL License was the real dagger. The NFL shield will pretty much sell no matter what. There's a reason EA is willing to pay $300 million per year just to have the license. As long as they have the license, the game will be a top selling game in the country year in and year out even if they neglect franchise for 5 more years.

    As a retro player only, I would gladly support a non-licensed product if there was a good one out there.
    Sadly, that appears to be a non-starter.
    I really thought gaming would move more toward independent studios the way Hollywood did. If anything, the opposite has happened as the Empire continues to devour the landscape.
    .. the license isn't going anywhere. The League just proved that. The deal was something like $130,000,000 per team..... for doing absolutely nothing. Its a rare breed of delusion if you think that is going away. Maybe if there were 20 Mark Cubans as owners, who actually knew what was happening with the product. Guys like Mike Brown, Dean Spanos, Mark Davis??.. I can just picture them with their hand out. Or racing to the bank with the check.
    ... even if they did allow another big label to get involved, how long would it take for the product to be viable?
    Madden08PCgmr
    As a retro player only, I would gladly support a non-licensed product if there was a good one out there.
    Sadly, that appears to be a non-starter.
    I really thought gaming would move more toward independent studios the way Hollywood did. If anything, the opposite has happened as the Empire continues to devour the landscape.
    .. the license isn't going anywhere. The League just proved that. The deal was something like $130,000,000 per team..... for doing absolutely nothing. Its a rare breed of delusion if you think that is going away. Maybe if there were 20 Mark Cubans as owners, who actually knew what was happening with the product. Guys like Mike Brown, Dean Spanos, Mark Davis??.. I can just picture them with their hand out. Or racing to the bank with the check.
    ... even if they did allow another big label to get involved, how long would it take for the product to be viable?

    I support Maximum Football, but it's more geared towards the NCAA hole right now and the gameplay is admittedly rough around the edges. It has a great dynasty mode for it being in year 1, it even rivals NCAA 13 really, and with the addition of suspensions and transfers this year with conference championships, awards, and more tunings, it will rival NCAA 14's mode already. The gameplay on the field will hopefully continue to improve, but ti obviously will not be AAA quality.
    That said, I wish gaming had gone the way of independent studios, but it really has been the opposite in a way, especially sports games. We used to have so much variety in sports gaming, now we have nearly none as about every major sport has 1 game and that is it. At least with other genres indie games are starting to become more regular, especially on PC, but sports gamers are just about out of luck unless you are willing to deal with a game like Maximum Football or Axis Football and live through the growing pains hoping it pays off in the future.
    You're also right that the owners don't care at all. They get their money and they see EA has the sales, that's all they care about. I'm simplifying it plenty, but I truly feel that if the NFL is charging EA $10 per year for the license and receiving 30% royalties also, would opening the license up and charging both EA and 2k in this example $6 or $7 with the same royalty % not net even more money? You're going to get your diehards buying Madden still, those that are playing Madden but miss 2k are going to go with 2k, then you are going to have those that will buy both games each year because they love football that much and the games will offer different experiences. I don't see how you don't sell more copies of NFL video games in that model and you also are receiving more money from the license because 6 or 7 x2 is more than 10.
    Of course, we know EA's deal with the NFL right now is $1.5 billion over 5 years. That's $300 million a year. Do we think EA and 2k would both be willing to pay $185 million per year to pump out a non-exclusive NFL game? 2k is paying $1.1 billion over 7 years(around $160 million per year) for a nonexclusive NBA license.
    The problem with your scenario Canes is that there is zero guarantee that either company would get anywhere near a 50/50 split in sales and revenue even if there were only 2 companies with the license.
    Let's use a scenario that many here would love, where 2K makes a transcendent game and embarrasses EA's effort. EA wouldn't pay 62% of what they're paying now when it's possible that they might only have 20% of the market share instead of 100%. They're going to look at the worst case scenario projections and say, "for an open license, we're only going to pay 60 mill per year." 2K even if they were completely confident in their ability to get at least 50% of the market isn't going to pay more than EA. No one else would even pay 60 mill, because they sure as hell wouldn't expect to even get 20% of the market. The NFL is now getting 120 million a year upfront instead of 300.
    2K was willing to pay the numbers for basketball that they did because there are literally no other viable companies making a game, it's a defacto exclusive license. If NBA Live was still selling even one or two million copies a year the basketball money wouldn't have been that high, IMO.
    All very fair points. My scenario assumes, maybe too much, that in this case that the NFL is opening the license up potentially, but is also coming to the table with a number they start with for EA and 2k that makes it more profitable for the NFL in the end, but is also enticing for the two publishers.
    Obviously the NFL is not going to come out and say we are opening the license, name your price, then watching both publishers try and lowball them with $60 million offers. That's bad business. That is not the type of scenario I was getting at. In that case the NFL is screwing itself and opening itself up to offers like that and then completely killing their negotiating power.
    My scenario is more of the NFL finding the number they need both companies to hit, getting into negotiations with 2k and saying pay this number or not. The NFL has all the leverage and can basically come to the table saying that. 2k can say no, the NFL keeps status quo with EA. Or 2k can say okay and then the NFL tells EA they can match or pay even more to keep exclusivity. There's no way EA is going to refuse both offers and just dissolve Madden. That has less than a 0% chance of happening.
    Heck, this may have been what happened earlier in the year when we heard rumors of the license opening up. I personally believe that the NFL shield has enough value to where the NFL can basically ask for what they want and get it. Maybe I overvalue the NFL brand? My personal opinion is that the NFL has so much power they can go to 2k, 2k either agrees and then EA tells EA to match it or pay even more for exclusive rights, or 2k says no and the NFL says we're keeping status quo with EA and EA still pays out $300+mil per year.
    In no way was I imaging a scenario where the NFL says, "the license is open, start the bidding!". They have way too much power for that to ever be needed.
    sorry this is lip service to stop negative pr imo. they have known about shortfalls of franchise for years and have done nothing. they dont like being seen negatively and ea is being hit in the uk with gambling for mut/fifa packs in the commons. they are trying to keep their heads down and move on. as an aside madden wont be able to handle a 12 year left contract ... enjoy that one
    Milticket
    Sims 4....I don't get it

    Sorry..Milticket, just my frustration with these “Face of the Franchise” modes and immersion into combines and post game interviews.
    I’m happy that the stuff is there for those who enjoy it...
    I am just frustrated that the NFL immersion from EA I’d like to see is on the field with gameplay...In depth Pre Game show with stats pertaining to game ..injury’s ect...hoping Franchise can somehow get some love..
    tuckermaine
    Sorry..Milticket, just my frustration with these “Face of the Franchise” modes and immersion into combines and post game interviews.
    I’m happy that the stuff is there for those who enjoy it...
    I am just frustrated that the NFL immersion from EA I’d like to see is on the field with gameplay...In depth Pre Game show with stats pertaining to game ..injury’s ect...hoping Franchise can somehow get some love..

    No need to apologize man, I get it. Just making sure I didn't miss something was all.
    canes21
    I support Maximum Football, but it's more geared towards the NCAA hole right now and the gameplay is admittedly rough around the edges. It has a great dynasty mode for it being in year 1, it even rivals NCAA 13 really, and with the addition of suspensions and transfers this year with conference championships, awards, and more tunings, it will rival NCAA 14's mode already. The gameplay on the field will hopefully continue to improve, but ti obviously will not be AAA quality.
    That said, I wish gaming had gone the way of independent studios, but it really has been the opposite in a way, especially sports games. We used to have so much variety in sports gaming, now we have nearly none as about every major sport has 1 game and that is it. At least with other genres indie games are starting to become more regular, especially on PC, but sports gamers are just about out of luck unless you are willing to deal with a game like Maximum Football or Axis Football and live through the growing pains hoping it pays off in the future.
    You're also right that the owners don't care at all. They get their money and they see EA has the sales, that's all they care about. I'm simplifying it plenty, but I truly feel that if the NFL is charging EA $10 per year for the license and receiving 30% royalties also, would opening the license up and charging both EA and 2k in this example $6 or $7 with the same royalty % not net even more money? You're going to get your diehards buying Madden still, those that are playing Madden but miss 2k are going to go with 2k, then you are going to have those that will buy both games each year because they love football that much and the games will offer different experiences. I don't see how you don't sell more copies of NFL video games in that model and you also are receiving more money from the license because 6 or 7 x2 is more than 10.
    Of course, we know EA's deal with the NFL right now is $1.5 billion over 5 years. That's $300 million a year. Do we think EA and 2k would both be willing to pay $185 million per year to pump out a non-exclusive NFL game? 2k is paying $1.1 billion over 7 years(around $160 million per year) for a nonexclusive NBA license.

    On top of the owners having their hands out for a piece of that $300 million per year, EA is SCARED TO DEATH of EVER losing the NFL License. The football engine EA has right now is worth NOTHING without the NFL License. Could you imagine how many copies EA would sell of this football game without the NFL License? Madden would fold.
    jpdavis82
    Mini update here around the 13 minute mark, guess they will have some Franchise info closer to launch for what they have in mind for title updates in Madden 21 for Franchise, and a roadmap for 22 and beyond.
    https://youtu.be/zONPzd8SR0g
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    I don't know. I have a bad feeling about this. I just don't feel like any substantial change will come to Franchise mode under his watch. Remember, this video was created after the initial #FixMaddenFranchise uproar, is 17+ minutes long, and he talks about Franchise mode for about a minute and sounds pretty bored having to do it in the first place. Sad.
    Executor
    I don't know. I have a bad feeling about this. I just don't feel like any substantial change will come to Franchise mode under his watch. Remember, this video was created after the initial #FixMaddenFranchise uproar, is 17+ minutes long, and he talks about Franchise mode for about a minute and sounds pretty bored having to do it in the first place. Sad.

    How many questions was he asked about franchise mode?
    jpdavis82
    Mini update here around the 13 minute mark, guess they will have some Franchise info closer to launch for what they have in mind for title updates in Madden 21 for Franchise, and a roadmap for 22 and beyond.
    https://youtu.be/zONPzd8SR0g
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    All he said was the same thing as the video a few weeks ago. I didn't hear anything new here. I'm not coming at you JP or anything that's just me noticing things. Once we get a plan from them then we can talk. Till then, like I said before I'm just glad they said something. But now they've gotta show up. No reason why franchise mode in Madden is where it is now besides the fact that they scrapped things when coming over to the 360.
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    Until they lay out a plan, they are all talk. Until they implement their plan, it remains just a plan and talk. EA put themselves in a hole here with franchise mode, but even if they fail to really add to the mode, it probably makes no difference. The game has thr NFL license and will sell and continue to sell.
    The salient fact is that MUT made Madden something like 1.5 BILLION last year alone, and it's been trending upward each year since its inception (RyanMoody's YT video -- check it out).
    Everyone says "don't blame the devs," so fine. They just take marching orders. But the orders now will be clearer than ever -- keep feeding the Beast that is MUT to maximize persistent monetization.
    This at the expense of ANY real progress in anything that doesn't contribute to persistent monetization.
    Capitalism at work, and the only real reason I'd ever consider supporting democratic socialists. (Kidding. That will never happen.)
    JoshC1977
    How many questions was he asked about franchise mode?
    Does it matter? It's not like he had to be stopped talking about it. He chose how much and what he wants to say, and in the context of #FixMaddenFranchise movement, he chose the bare minimum, just as he did in his first video.
    Fuimus Troes
    The salient fact is that MUT made Madden something like 1.5 BILLION last year alone, and it's been trending upward each year since its inception (RyanMoody's YT video -- check it out).
    Everyone says "don't blame the devs," so fine. They just take marching orders. But the orders now will be clearer than ever -- keep feeding the Beast that is MUT to maximize persistent monetization.
    This at the expense of ANY real progress in anything that doesn't contribute to persistent monetization.
    Capitalism at work, and the only real reason I'd ever consider supporting democratic socialists. (Kidding. That will never happen.)

    MUT did not make that much money. All of EA's ultimate teams combined to make $1.5 billion. Fifa is about guaranteed to make the most, then Madden. Madden still probably made half a billion off of MUT alone, though. All of the success of these ultimate team modes should give EA more resources than ever to really put effort into their franchise modes, but we obviously haven't seen that be the case.
    Also, it may not be the case anymore, but I'm pretty sure MUT has the smallest team and franchise has the biggest team. Sometimes I wonder how many people actually work full-time developing Madden. That's not a shot at the devs, just honest curiosity.
    Executor
    Does it matter? It's not like he had to be stopped talking about it. He chose how much and what he wants to say, and in the context of #FixMaddenFranchise movement, he chose the bare minimum, just as he did in his first video.

    It's typical corporate policy to not make forward-looking statements (that's often an aspect of press releases). He said everything I'd expect him to be ALLOWED to say at this juncture until the development work is further along.
    Given the more publicized outcry than ever before, I have zero doubt that he has a very specific set of instructions on what he is permitted to say publicly at this juncture. Anything beyond that would likely get him fired if not worse (legal action by the company - i.e. disclosure of company IP).
    JoshC1977
    It's typical corporate policy to not make forward-looking statements (that's often an aspect of press releases). He said everything I'd expect him to be ALLOWED to say at this juncture until the development work is further along.
    Given the more publicized outcry than ever before, I have zero doubt that he has a very specific set of instructions on what he is permitted to say publicly at this juncture. Anything beyond that would likely get him fired if not worse (legal action by the company - i.e. disclosure of company IP).
    From this point of view, I undoubtedly agree.

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