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Madden 20 Presentation and Graphics Review

The NFL is considered one of the greatest shows on earth. The pregame hype, the fireworks, the fans and the traditions all come together to create a football environment unlike any other. Does Madden 20 deliver on these fronts? Let us take a deeper look at that with my review of Madden 20‘s presentation and graphics.

Pregame

The build to the opening kickoff is a major aspect of the game. It is the point where talk is over and it is time to separate the men from boys. Madden 20‘s presentation into gameplay includes just about everything we saw from Madden 19. While playing I noticed some clean up of the pregame, but basically it is the same. The initial voice-over brings you into the game by introducing the teams, but it is quickly passed off to the commentators to take it from there. Not much occurs prior to kickoff other than that.

There isn’t much difference between standard games, and Thursday, Sunday or Monday Night Football. From a presentation standpoint, this could have been an area that was improved more. In the real world, there is a distinct difference between the Sunday afternoon matchups on TV and primetime matchups. A brief intro video into a primetime game, something along the lines of what WWE or NBA 2K do before matchups, would have provided a different feel. Interestingly enough, the Madden intro videos had me more hyped than any of the other pregame introductions. The halftime presentation has been basic in all the years I have played Madden. I think the majority of fans look to ESPN NFL 2K5 as the gold standard for presentation in this area. Until presentation is considered to be a priority above all else, I would not count on any further huge upgrades to this area.

Commentary

The commentary in Madden 20 is implemented quite well. Just like in Madden 19, the commentary is fresh and up to date. There is good timing with the announcers and how they communicate with one another. This allows for a great conversational aspect that helps the commentary flow along with the events occurring during the game. Madden 19 was very similar in its commentary success, but with Madden 20 you can hear commentary has been polished even further to enhance the gaming experience. As in most sports titles, for the commentary to blend well, you often have to let the game breathe a little instead of button mashing in between plays. The best part about the commentary system is the fact that it will change as the season progresses in the real NFL. However, this is only in play now or online games. When players put up huge numbers or teams are undefeated, Madden 20 commentary will reflect this in the game.

Stadiums Differences & Sounds

Another aspect I consider to be extremely important in terms of presentation is stadium differences. Each stadium should have a different feel. Madden 20 beautifully accomplishes this task. When playing in Green Bay, you hear all the sounds as you would in real life. All graphics relate to the stadium they belong to and the contrast when playing in different stadiums is noticeable. For example, when playing in Green Bay and then playing in Los Angeles with the Rams, the feel was much different. That is what you are looking for as a fan and gamer. You want to feel the tradition, vibe and experience of each stadium. All are unique, and Madden 20 delivers.

Franchise Presentation

Franchise presentation offers a bit of variety. However, there could be even more variety with differences in presentation overlays, like scoreboards and on-screen graphics. What I’m thinking of here is something similar to what MLB The Show does with different presentation themes to keep the game fresh. Beyond that, a normal one-off game will contain commentary aspects towards events occurring in the real NFL. In other words, Madden 20 does a decent job in terms of commentary and presentation by focusing on events that are occurring in your season. At the same time, the game isn’t doing anything beyond what you would expect. You’ll hear announcers commenting on the state of the division and playoff race, but you’re not getting that deeper layer that makes you feel like you’re part of the entire league when not in the game.

Graphics

Madden 20 delivers in terms of graphics. This game is beautiful. I often catch myself instant replaying runs and throws just to see how beautiful the game looks. The jerseys, helmets and shoes are all on point and look great in a variety of different settings. Each quarterback I control is closer than ever to actually giving me a feeling like I’m using a unique player. Philip Rivers looks and feels like him when controlling him play after play. Then when I suit up with quarterbacks like DeShaun Watson or Aaron Rodgers, I get the feel of controlling those players and taking on their playing characteristics without paying much attention to it. There is a feeling of separation between positions as well. The detail to height and weight differences are what make this game shine.

To cap it off, the sky at different times of day changes the lighting in the stadium, and when those lights hit the helmets at night I am amazed by the reflections and the realism of it all.

What I Would Like To See

In terms of presentation, Madden 20 could benefit by simply expanding. The addition of custom in-game music would take this game to the next level. Custom gameplay cameras would also increase freshness as well. It could also use different presentation themes, commentators or intro videos for primetime games. Lastly, when you’re not playing those four quarters on Sunday, the game has to do a better job making you feel like you are part of a 32-team league in franchise mode. This can come in the from of an actual weekly show, a more in-depth halftime presentation, replays from other games, or just better ways of bringing you inside the news of the league.

Wrapping Up

Madden 20 is mostly able to deliver an immersive experience with its presentation and graphics. In other words, what actually exists in the game right now is done successfully on the whole. Whether it is through Ultimate Team, franchise mode, online, or standard play now games, EA is at least trying to make each mode feel a little bit unique. Basically, EA really just needs to focus more on making you feel like you’re part of an actual league when in franchise mode by either giving us a weekly show or really adding on to the halftime presentation to include replays and more thoughts from around the league. EA is already doing “live” commentary week to week, and it seems like a perfect time to add to that concept and create a way to show more things from around the league in play now and franchise mode.

The commentary in the game shines and generates a feel that is far and beyond any Madden game I have ever experienced. As it relates to visuals, I am not disappointed in Madden 20. All aspects of the graphics have been touched on, which creates a crisp look and feel. The details don’t quite have the depth of games like MLB The Show, but visually the game pops off the screen. Much like with other aspects of the presentation, the developers really just need to step up now and create more variety to make games not feel so static week to week. Having some different UI and intros for primetime games, for example, would really add a lot.

Player uniforms, gloves and helmet details look amazing. The top player personalities look, run and throw like their real-life counterparts. I found myself instant replaying almost every play because I wanted to see these graphics up close. If you choose to pick up Madden 20, I do not think it will be the graphics or presentation that will make you turn off the game.

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  1. Sideline to sideline it looks great. What stretches just outside the sidelines, is the stuff of horror and ignored in an article on presentation. Not mentioning the lack of refs in an article on presentation also seems like a fairly large omission.
    Weather is yet another area not touched on. Hopefully next gen we can actually see some snow accumulation and different amounts of snow/rain that are noticeable. If I recall correctly EA used to have light and heavy snow options but you could not tell the difference between the two, so they just removed heavy snow as an option (As far as I can tell).
    Presentation also includes the cameras, and the lack of any relevant editions to them. Custom cameras are probably a dream until next gen. At the very least give us the ability to make minor edits (Zoom/Height) like FIFA does. The defensive camera view needs some work. Would love to use it but I always give up far more big gains. Would prefer something farther away that zooms in on the action one a handoff or catch is made.
    loveinanelevator
    Hopefully next gen we can actually see some snow accumulation and different amounts of snow/rain that are noticeable.

    Man they should just ditch the snow altogether. It should just be so the field is frosted over + flurries, like in FIFA. That would look way better.
    Graphics are never bad in this game on the field, I can't remember a bad looking Madden. But that's not the problem.
    Sidelines are an issue for me though, it still are look like ps3 material to me. 6 different camera men all dressed the same pointing the camera in the same direction and not moving and players getting shoved out of bounds and magically running through these generic players running through their bodies, this needs to be addressed? Still NO Cheerleaders, we need more life on the sidelines. if you look at a real game, it's so much more lively. Even the addition of guys selling hot dogs wouldn't hurt. More stat screens in game are sorely missing, I would like to see more head to head matchups between star players. Presentation could be so much more. I Don't mind not having a good halftime, but give me stats during the game, and I'll be happy.
    I will agree, the game is purty on paper, and how it moves and the field, the nice looking uniforms, the lighting, the skies look great and the stadiums themselves are spot on pretty detailed. Like mentioned, Custom soundtracks are sorely miss, I would love to implement stadium sounds again like we used to on the older sports games, This is NEXT Gen, come on, needs to be done.
    Graphics - I prefer Madden 20 over Madden 19 hands down & not even close on PC. Madden 19's style in Madden was just strange. The pregame lighting in Madden 20 is still wrong however. You'll pick a sunny day but will show as cloudy, but once the game starts its sunny on the field, so it's not a big deal. Just a fine detail EA overlooks.
    Presentation - I think it's pretty good and seeing different cut scenes from last yr
    Overall I am pleased with the Presentation/Graphics, is it perfect? Of course not but it is much improved. There are some things I would love to see improved even further though including:
    Commentary: In franchise mode it is just okay. I hear too many repeated lines and one of the biggest problems I have always had with using real broadcasters is pace of play. They read/write their lines the way they always have, for a real NFL game so it sounds authentic. The problem is the pace of play in Madden is a lot quicker and you end up having huge plays that are completely missed by the commentary because they are still talking about something else. For years I have wanted Madden to just hire a few voice actors like 2k did back in the day. They can record many more lines of commentary and they can better fit the pace of the action. They never will though because they like having recognizable names.
    Jonathan Coachmen: He is largely a wasted opportunity. The halftime "show" is over before it even begins and still just looks and sounds like it was added in at the last minute. This is one area that completely kills the presentation for me. His commentary is often disjointed and robotic sounding too which makes it even worse.
    Super Bowl and Championship Games: They still feel like just another game with some fancy graphics. The on the field celebration (when there is one) is short and repetitive. It lacks real emotion that players show when they actually win a Super Bowl. And once it ends, it is never spoken of again.
    These are really just minor gripes more than anything though. This game is the most beautiful version of Madden I have ever seen. I went back and played 19 just for comparison and the uniforms look and night and day different, 19 everything looks dark and washed out by comparison. On my 4k TV it looks stunningly good, the individual blades of grass pop out, the crease in the jersey look natural. Even on my nephews 720p TV it looks really good.
    Presentation was my overall problem when playing the trial. It played and felt different, but it didn’t LOOK different to me. There aren’t cutscenes of fans, I miss the tailgate shots, stadium exterior shots look awkward with the backgrounds being half accurate and implemented, commentary lines felt boring already, no in-depth analysis on stats, still dead noise when a big play is happening, Super Bowl and playoffs felt generic, sidelines don’t have as many personnel on it (it should be stacked with reporters, cheerleaders, and players), same generic player faces that look dated, no different broadcast packages, no highlights of other games in franchise.
    I could go on lol. This game just doesn’t give me that “What you see on sundays” they always touted about in earlier iterations
    I think presentation needs a big overhaul from EA. I think this and Franchise should be the top 2 priorities for the next Madden. I am sick of hearing them say they have improved the presenation but when it actually comes to the games release, most of it reamains untouched. It really needs to be one of their main focuses next year. I am not talking about them releasing a Deep Dive Blog raving at how good the presenation is because they have spent 10 minutes "improving" it, it really needs a lot more effort. It will also make franchise more immerseive too.
    For example, the sidelines are horrendous. I refuse to belive they can not do anything about them due to "memory limits". It is totally unacceptable considering these were an issue on last gen consoles.
    Secondly, the Super Bowl & play off presenation. Let's be honest, it sucks and we have all been thinking the same thing year after year... when are they finally going to improve it cos it takes away from actually winning it when you have seen it since Madden 11, maybe earlier. Literally has not changed. I honestly think they could create 3 or 4 brand new, fresh and much improved celebrations so that each timr you win it you will get a different one. Of course eventually you are going to see the same one twice however at least it will not be as frequent and will be a nice change not knowing which one will appear.
    The feeling of playing playoff games are also poor. You win the Championship game and all you see are the coaches shake hands and your players run off the field. It feels like a pre-season game with the eception of the painted markings on the field. Not rewarding at all. Can EA not see that improving this type of presenation will increase immersiveness in Franchise mode. They can add all the features they want however if the immersion in game isn't there then it counts for nothing.
    Commentary... pretty sick of hearing the current team. Should of been replaced after the first year.
    The gameplay is much improved on an overall level. However Presentation needs to be a top focus next year however I unfortunately think it will remain last on their list.
    After playing the NHL 20 demo, I can honestly say maddens presentation lags behind that game, the show, Nba 2k, fifa, and even wwe at this point. Competitive and MUT players just skip through the presentation elements so I doubt they will work on it anytime in the near future. Everything about madden is designed to be quick and get you through games quickly. Immersion and presentation are just not the direction they are focusing with this series.
    Therebelyell626
    After playing the NHL 20 demo, I can honestly say maddens presentation lags behind that game, the show, Nba 2k, fifa, and even wwe at this point. Competitive and MUT players just skip through the presentation elements so I doubt they will work on it anytime in the near future. Everything about madden is designed to be quick and get you through games quickly. Immersion and presentation are just not the direction they are focusing with this series.

    The NHL series might be the most underrated sports game each year. The presentation blows everything else away. The franchise mode continues to improve every year including many of things we want in Madden like a coaching carousel, improved scouting, an actual relocation feature complete with designing your own uniforms etc.
    UltraHD
    I think presentation needs a big overhaul from EA. I think this and Franchise should be the top 2 priorities for the next Madden. I am sick of hearing them say they have improved the presenation but when it actually comes to the games release, most of it reamains untouched. It really needs to be one of their main focuses next year. I am not talking about them releasing a Deep Dive Blog raving at how good the presenation is because they have spent 10 minutes "improving" it, it really needs a lot more effort. It will also make franchise more immerseive too.
    For example, the sidelines are horrendous. I refuse to belive they can not do anything about them due to "memory limits". It is totally unacceptable considering these were an issue on last gen consoles.
    Secondly, the Super Bowl & play off presenation. Let's be honest, it sucks and we have all been thinking the same thing year after year... when are they finally going to improve it cos it takes away from actually winning it when you have seen it since Madden 11, maybe earlier. Literally has not changed. I honestly think they could create 3 or 4 brand new, fresh and much improved celebrations so that each timr you win it you will get a different one. Of course eventually you are going to see the same one twice however at least it will not be as frequent and will be a nice change not knowing which one will appear.
    The feeling of playing playoff games are also poor. You win the Championship game and all you see are the coaches shake hands and your players run off the field. It feels like a pre-season game with the eception of the painted markings on the field. Not rewarding at all. Can EA not see that improving this type of presenation will increase immersiveness in Franchise mode. They can add all the features they want however if the immersion in game isn't there then it counts for nothing.
    Commentary... pretty sick of hearing the current team. Should of been replaced after the first year.
    The gameplay is much improved on an overall level. However Presentation needs to be a top focus next year however I unfortunately think it will remain last on their list.

    Have you played Face Of The Franchise? The NCAA Championship presentation for that is WAY better than the SB presentation in this game.
    Starts around 12:20, spoilers if you haven’t played the mode, but I just want you to see what they’re capable of. https://youtu.be/dmQ86TEwwaA
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    I wouldn't mind seeing the Good Morning Football crew doing a wrapup type show in franchise. I like how they're implemented in QB1, but it would require a hell of a lot more work for a franchise feature so I don't know if that's a possibility.
    I think another awesome feature would be bringing back something similar to the old Tony Bruno show, but instead use an in-house personality that you already have access to -- The Rich Eisen Podcast. I'd like to have this playing while I muck around in franchise menus, and to have it continue while I'm in practice doing drills and stuff. And with todays technology, it shouldn't get (as) stale as the Bruno show did.
    I would also like to see a celebration/trophy presentation when you win the NFC/AFC Championship. I know most only care about teams that win the SB, but winning your conference is still a huge deal and the trophies are still presented. It'd be nice to see this.
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    Anybody else notice the lighting doesn't progress in 1PM games? Atleast on PS4 the lighting stays the same. 4PM games are great with it, but 1PM games seem not to work. I hope the devs can fix this.
    Cant believe this article gives EA a pass on basically doing nothing for presentation and commentary from 19 to 20.
    Fixed a lighting bug... good, should have never been that dark in the first place
    Sidelines terrible, Weather terrible, Just scenes during games, not immersion,
    Watching a walk around and text coach talk on the phone in his office??? What?? thats just horrible design
    Stadiums look great but nothing to se here for more than a quick intro.
    halftime, repetitive
    Commentary for a mode in the game (franchise) doesn't get updated? why"
    Giants4Life
    Cant believe this article gives EA a pass on basically doing nothing for presentation and commentary from 19 to 20.
    Fixed a lighting bug... good, should have never been that dark in the first place
    Sidelines terrible, Weather terrible, Just scenes during games, not immersion,
    Watching a walk around and text coach talk on the phone in his office??? What?? thats just horrible design
    Stadiums look great but nothing to se here for more than a quick intro.
    halftime, repetitive
    Commentary for a mode in the game (franchise) doesn't get updated? why"

    The developers have already stated why they can't make the sidelines better so I don't know what you expect there. There is only so much they can do because of the ability of the system.
    There is definitely new commentary in the game. Playing 40+ games now in franchise mode, there I've heard a bunch of things I've never heard before. It's not completely revamped but like you seem to want, but there is new stuff.
    What do you want for a menu in the game? The coach walking around may get old but it's better than just nothing like old games.
    Of course halftime gets repetitive. Do you think they will have a new halftime for you to watch every game? Even with the old 2K games it eventually became the same highlights and stuff over and over again. It's always going to be like that for every sports game.
    I don't understand why people think every year a completely new game will be built. Not only do they only have a year to make a new game, they also spend time updating the previous year to make it better. If you can't see the differences in 19 and 20, I'm pretty much guessing you already went in with a bad attitude towards the game in the first place.
    Disagree with 100 of your responses.
    Yea ok, maybe there is new commentary but still.. coachmen is a waste, and all the cut scenes between the plays , like player position intros and even talking about this years stats for franchise is missing.
    I don't care if EA cries about limitations for the sidelines. We're not paying $60 a year for limitations from a billion $$ company. MUT doesn't have limitations
    And the coach in the office, it's the worst example of a solution for immersion. Hell head coach used the floating around the stadium and that was 2009 and light years ahead of a coach farting around in his office. So yeah I want more.
    and I will add...the franchise menus are very poorly designed... the diamonds for super star look terrible, combined with the swoosh fonts here and there, the scheme fit logo, the abilities its all just a jumbled and all over the place and like there were designing with no consistency or cohesion what so ever.
    The news section is hidden in the 3rd screen
    It's bad. No excuses for a billion dollar company with an exclusive license, its last and bad.
    Giants4Life
    Disagree with 100 of your responses.
    Yea ok, maybe there is new commentary but still.. coachmen is a waste, and all the cut scenes between the plays , like player position intros and even talking about this years stats for franchise is missing.
    I don't care if EA cries about limitations for the sidelines. We're not paying $60 a year for limitations from a billion $$ company. MUT doesn't have limitations
    And the coach in the office, it's the worst example of a solution for immersion. Hell head coach used the floating around the stadium and that was 2009 and light years ahead of a coach farting around in his office. So yeah I want more.
    and I will add...the franchise menus are very poorly designed... the diamonds for super star look terrible, combined with the swoosh fonts here and there, the scheme fit logo, the abilities its all just a jumbled and all over the place and like there were designing with no consistency or cohesion what so ever.
    The news section is hidden in the 3rd screen
    It's bad. No excuses for a billion dollar company with an exclusive license, its last and bad.

    MUT has the same sidelines. The reason they can't make the sidelines better has to do with system memory for the PS4/XBOX. It has nothing to do with EA. If they made the sidelines better then gameplay would slow down because of the ability of the console. It's the reason they took the refs off the field so they could improve the gameplay. Basically they have maxed out the ability of the current console generation.
    Giants4Life
    The only “maxed out” ability is the ability of EA to produce a quality product
    Not just Madden... but anthem, battlefront .. all of them lately.

    So my suspicion is probably true. You already have a negative view of the game going in so you think everything is bad about it. No need to keep going here then. Enjoy not playing the game.
    toodles2you90
    So my suspicion is probably true. You already have a negative view of the game going in so you think everything is bad about it. No need to keep going here then. Enjoy not playing the game.

    I’m just not going into “Stockholm Syndrome” and letting Ea off easy
    There's still a lot of room for improvement in all aspects of Madden's presentation.
    Lighting is much improved and truly impressive this year, but, like others have said, sidelines are a pretty glaringly flawed part of the visual package. It's also a shame that crowd detail took a bit of a step back based off of the video that Tomba shared.
    I'd of course like to see refs return sooner rather than later. Their absence isn't that noticeable on most plays, but it's kind of jarring to not see them present for extra point and field goal attempts.
    Broadcast wise, multiple graphics packages are an absolute must. I'd also like to see the return of player headshots for defensive/offense introductions as opposed to the gimmicky poses we've had for four years. Also, I'd prefer it if some of the more AR-inspired overlays (1,2) were made into more traditional ones. Lastly, I'd like to see fans present during stadium exterior shots.
    I'm still a fan of Gaudin and Davis' commentary, but I think they could upgrade from Coachman for pre-game and halftime segments.
    Within Franchise, there's a lot of wasted potential with the ticker at the bottom of menus. Last year, they switched it from running real-life NFL.com headlines to regurgitating the fake Tweets from within the mode. I'd really love to see the ticker show scores from the previous week, matchups from the upcoming week, and even injury and transaction news.
    I'd also love to see a weekly wrap-up show, but I can understand why that might be pushed off for the next generation of consoles. It could either be video-based, like the Extra Point from M10 and M11, or audio-based like the old Tony Bruno radio show or Inside The Show from MLBTS.
    toodles2you90
    MUT has the same sidelines. The reason they can't make the sidelines better has to do with system memory for the PS4/XBOX. It has nothing to do with EA. If they made the sidelines better then gameplay would slow down because of the ability of the console. It's the reason they took the refs off the field so they could improve the gameplay. Basically they have maxed out the ability of the current console generation.

    They have been giving that excuse for decades. Pro Bowl individual helmets. Players not being able to hurdle the goal line back in the PS2 days. They even once removed the individual numbers off the Alabama and I think Army helmets one year for NCAA in the PS2 days, leaving everyone with the same number. I think it was patched back in but can't recall
    Which also leads to the question. If they maxed out the the Xbox One and PS4, did they also max out the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro?
    I don't understand why people think every year a completely new game will be built. Not only do they only have a year to make a new game, they also spend time updating the previous year to make it better.

    Devs of yearly sports games have the luxury of working on the same base game for the whole generation. The ability to constantly improve things each year. Nobody expects a new game each year but Tiburon tends to offer the least bang for the buck for a yearly iteration sports game. They have had plenty of time to fix the refs but instead just remove them from the game.
    I am just not buying it. Have not bought it when they had a competitor that proved what EA could not do, they were able to.
    No point in making this a EA vs 2K thread or what ever other road your trying to take the thread down. The thread title is for Madden 20. This doesn't help anyone looking for info & impressions for Madden 20 regarding graphics & presentation.
    DaReal Milticket
    No point in making this a EA vs 2K thread. The thread title is for Madden 20, not past games. This doesn't help anyone looking for info & impressions for Madden 20.

    It's a thread about the presentation and graphics in Madden 20. I am using a visual comparison to show how far off Madden is in regards to sidelines. The same sidelines that have been discussed numerous times in this thread and in debate to the user saying the sidelines are this way because they "Maxed out" the consoles. I disagree and present evidence to show otherwise.
    loveinanelevator
    It's a thread about the presentation and graphics in Madden 20. I am using a visual comparison to show how far off Madden is in regards to sidelines. The same sidelines that have been discussed numerous times in this thread and in debate to the user saying the sidelines are this way because they "Maxed out" the consoles. I disagree and present evidence to show otherwise.

    We all know where it's at and your visual isn't even of Madden 20. He's just saying what EA has said over the yrs.
    loveinanelevator
    Do I really need to post a Madden 20 video? I had that one on hand but if need be I can give you a Madden 20 clip of the sidelines.

    No need, I have the game. Atleast it would be of the game being discussed in the thread title.
    DaReal Milticket
    No need, I have the game. Atleast it would be of the game being discussed in the thread title.

    Madden 20 added. Hard to find sideline footage in Madden since most people try to avoid having to run by them. Enjoy!
    loveinanelevator
    Madden 20 PS4

    Madden 19 Xbox One X

    Undisclosed game running on Xbox 360

    Maxed out?

    The funny thing is, you think this proves your point and it doesn’t. Now look at uniform, field detail and all the other upgrades Madden has visually compared to the 2k. EA saying that they could enhance the sidelines with regression of other things fits exactly what you showed in those videos.
    loveinanelevator
    Madden 20 added. Hard to find sideline footage in Madden since most people try to avoid having to run by them. Enjoy!

    I'm glad you pointed this out! I enjoyed the videos. Wait till others see this.
    toodles2you90
    The funny thing is, you think this proves your point and it doesn’t. Now look at uniform, field detail and all the other upgrades Madden has visually compared to the 2k. EA saying that they could enhance the sidelines with regression of other things fits exactly what you showed in those videos.

    Maybe you missed that one of these video games was on last gen hardware (Xbox 360). I am not even comparing apples to apples. That is how poor the Madden sidelines are.
    toodles2you90

    Of course halftime gets repetitive. Do you think they will have a new halftime for you to watch every game? Even with the old 2K games it eventually became the same highlights and stuff over and over again. It's always going to be like that for every sports game.
    I don't understand why people think every year a completely new game will be built. Not only do they only have a year to make a new game, they also spend time updating the previous year to make it better. If you can't see the differences in 19 and 20, I'm pretty much guessing you already went in with a bad attitude towards the game in the first place.

    There's no reason EA can't implement a proper halftime/postgame show, especially with the ESPN license. It's by far one of the weakest presentation packages in any game. Even NBA Live has a full halftime report.
    As dead as the horse already is, NFL 2K5 is the gold standard for true broadcast presentation. Two console generations later and we don't have anything remotely close to that level of immersion.
    loveinanelevator
    Maybe you missed that one of these video games was on last gen hardware (Xbox 360). I am not even comparing apples to apples. That is how poor the Madden sidelines are.

    I didn’t miss that part at all. I couldn’t tell you differences in programming for the gen and last gen and how Madden 20 uses its space.you can’t either so posting videos trying to make a point in how other games are programmed means nothing. All I know is even without the sidelines, Madden 20 still is vastly superior graphically.
    loveinanelevator
    I am as giddy as a schoolgirl with anticipation.

    I think a better comparison would be comparing Madden 08 to Madden 20 & how the sidelines haven't improved/improved within the same company. I honestly don't think 2ks were that special at the time, but to each their own. Maybe APF had all that space since they didn't even have a franchise mode...
    toodles2you90
    I didn’t miss that part at all. I couldn’t tell you differences in programming for the gen and last gen and how Madden 20 uses its space.you can’t either so posting videos trying to make a point in how other games are programmed means nothing. All I know is even without the sidelines, Madden 20 still is vastly superior graphically.

    El_Poopador
    There's no reason EA can't implement a proper halftime/postgame show, especially with the ESPN license. It's by far one of the weakest presentation packages in any game. Even NBA Live has a full halftime report.
    As dead as the horse already is, NFL 2K5 is the gold standard for true broadcast presentation. Two console generations later and we don't have anything remotely close to that level of immersion.

    I agree Maddens halftime isn’t good. I wasn’t saying it was. I was saying all of them get repetitive. After 10 halftimes on 2k you still got the same repetitive highlights. That’s just sports games.
    toodles2you90
    I agree Maddens halftime isn’t good. I wasn’t saying it was. I was saying all of them get repetitive. After 10 halftimes on 2k you still got the same repetitive highlights. That’s just sports games.

    Very good point with every sports game.
    Worst part of presentation for me is how lame TD cutscenes are. Celebrations are cute I guess but a nice package of 10 or 12 cutscenes that actually feature 5 or 6 guys jumping around and a cut to the QB with his arms up or whatever would be much better. Most of the celebrations I’ve seen so far are literally just the guy who scored doing the Superman pose or whatever then monotonously walking back to the sideline. Utterly boring and totally unrealistic on top of it.
    DaReal Milticket
    I think a better comparison would be comparing Madden 08 to Madden 20 & how the sidelines haven't improved/improved within the same company. I honestly don't think 2ks were that special at the time, but to each their own. Maybe APF had all that space since they didn't even have a franchise mode...

    Madden 08 Xbox 360 added just for you. :cheers:
    loveinanelevator

    Pretty much the answer I would expect. You have no clue how much space programming uniform details, grass, shadows, lighting, equipment, real players faces, way more animations, sideline catches/awareness (heck, the video you posted the guy got one foot in bounds with plenty of time to actually catch the ball with 2). If you break all that down for me in your next post I'll take your claims seriously. You won't however, because you have no idea, just like the rest of us.
    I have a hard time believing a company wouldn't put something that seems simple like sideline play in a game, especially with how crazy people get about it, if there wasn't a reason they couldn't.
    toodles2you90
    Pretty much the answer I would expect. You have no clue how much space programming uniform details, grass, shadows, lighting, equipment, real players faces, way more animations, sideline catches/awareness (heck, the video you posted the guy got one foot in bounds with plenty of time to actually catch the ball with 2). If you break all that down for me in your next post I'll take your claims seriously. You won't however, because you have no idea, just like the rest of us.

    Grass programmers never reveal their secrets, we are like Magicians. Just like Magicians have assistants, we have assistants. They do not dress as nice and we do not get to saw them in half but they bring a similar artistic quality to development of grass.
    toodles2you90
    I agree Maddens halftime isn’t good. I wasn’t saying it was. I was saying all of them get repetitive. After 10 halftimes on 2k you still got the same repetitive highlights. That’s just sports games.

    I never got bored of watching 2K5's halftime/postgame shows or weekly wrap-ups. I enjoy watching good highlights, especially when they're presented like we would see on TV.
    loveinanelevator
    Sideline to sideline it looks great. What stretches just outside the sidelines, is the stuff of horror and ignored in an article on presentation. Not mentioning the lack of refs in an article on presentation also seems like a fairly large omission.
    Presentation also includes the cameras, and the lack of any relevant editions to them. Custom cameras are probably a dream until next gen. At the very least give us the ability to make minor edits (Zoom/Height) like FIFA does. The defensive camera view needs some work. Would love to use it but I always give up far more big gains. Would prefer something farther away that zooms in on the action one a handoff or catch is made.

    Fair enough on sidelines and lacking refs. The sidelines were a focus earlier in the generation for them, but it seems all EA games, probably due to the engine they use, don't have the memory to tackle it in terms of how they split out memory during a game. It probably is a programming thing at this point where they need to redistribute memory or just wait until they have more during next-gen. (And yes, I saw your videos below, and I also remember what APF 2K8 did as I'm someone who has pointed it out on this very site in past years.)
    Sheba2011
    Overall I am pleased with the Presentation/Graphics, is it perfect? Of course not but it is much improved. There are some things I would love to see improved even further though including:
    Commentary: In franchise mode it is just okay. I hear too many repeated lines and one of the biggest problems I have always had with using real broadcasters is pace of play. They read/write their lines the way they always have, for a real NFL game so it sounds authentic. The problem is the pace of play in Madden is a lot quicker and you end up having huge plays that are completely missed by the commentary because they are still talking about something else. For years I have wanted Madden to just hire a few voice actors like 2k did back in the day. They can record many more lines of commentary and they can better fit the pace of the action. They never will though because they like having recognizable names.
    Jonathan Coachmen: He is largely a wasted opportunity. The halftime "show" is over before it even begins and still just looks and sounds like it was added in at the last minute. This is one area that completely kills the presentation for me. His commentary is often disjointed and robotic sounding too which makes it even worse.

    I can almost guarantee EA has more hours with their guys than 2K did at the time. The voice actor line was a fair thing until they got dudes who live in-state. They have plenty of hours with the guys they have now, it would be an argument more about either how they spend the hours or how they implement the content at this point. In fact, I think your argument sounds much more like an implementation argument than an hours argument.
    Therebelyell626
    After playing the NHL 20 demo, I can honestly say maddens presentation lags behind that game, the show, Nba 2k, fifa, and even wwe at this point. Competitive and MUT players just skip through the presentation elements so I doubt they will work on it anytime in the near future. Everything about madden is designed to be quick and get you through games quickly. Immersion and presentation are just not the direction they are focusing with this series.

    If you go on the NHL forum, I think you'll mostly hand-waved away for this comment. I don't think NHL presentation is bad, but it's not very deep or anything, and the franchise mode is routinely ripped on as well in there. I'm not sure if maybe this is just a case of you not playing NHL as much as Madden, and thus just by default it seems better, or you legitimately feel this way while playing both a lot (both are valid opinions, just curious).
    therealsmallville
    I wouldn't mind seeing the Good Morning Football crew doing a wrapup type show in franchise. I like how they're implemented in QB1, but it would require a hell of a lot more work for a franchise feature so I don't know if that's a possibility.
    I think another awesome feature would be bringing back something similar to the old Tony Bruno show, but instead use an in-house personality that you already have access to -- The Rich Eisen Podcast. I'd like to have this playing while I muck around in franchise menus, and to have it continue while I'm in practice doing drills and stuff. And with todays technology, it shouldn't get (as) stale as the Bruno show did.
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    As is stated at points in the article, I think hands down the biggest thing missing is anything trying to bring you more into the world beyond just what's happening between the lines that day. So I'm with you on wanting a show of some sort.
    El_Poopador
    There's no reason EA can't implement a proper halftime/postgame show, especially with the ESPN license. It's by far one of the weakest presentation packages in any game. Even NBA Live has a full halftime report.
    As dead as the horse already is, NFL 2K5 is the gold standard for true broadcast presentation. Two console generations later and we don't have anything remotely close to that level of immersion.

    I think we have had it in the form of NBA 2K and College Hoops 2K at various points, but if you mean football, then fair. It's odd to me that basically no franchise has tried to get back to the point that NFL 2K5 was at across every sports game overall. EA's NCAA Football franchise was maybe heading that way and College Hoops was close, but then both were canned.
    El_Poopador
    I never got bored of watching 2K5's halftime/postgame shows or weekly wrap-ups. I enjoy watching good highlights, especially when they're presented like we would see on TV.

    I definitely got bored watching the 2K5 highlights, but I don't blame them for running out of stuff. It was all shot well, but it was shot well because it was all pre-canned. I mean literally you needed the hard drive on Xbox because they would pre-load the canned replays onto your device and there was a limited number of replays they had that Berman did VO for. In today's environment, it's hard for me to believe they couldn't find a way to one-up that by auto-generating replays for some sort of weekly show if they wanted to invest in it. It just might not be something they think is worth that heavy investment.
    As for in-game stuff in terms of a halftime show, beyond getting highlights from games you aren't involved in, it just feels like they haven't invested much in updating the halftime show beyond changing the voice since it was first implemented years back. Again, it might just be low priority for them.
    ChaseB
    I think we have had it in the form of NBA 2K and College Hoops 2K at various points, but if you mean football, then fair. It's odd to me that basically no franchise has tried to get back to the point that NFL 2K5 was at across every sports game overall. EA's NCAA Football franchise was maybe heading that way and College Hoops was close, but then both were canned.

    That still blows my mind. Even NBA 2K doesn't even come close to NFL 2K5 in terms of presentation. Their halftime show is pretty awful, even if it is better than Madden's. There are highlights, but they are completely randomized and the commentary has nothing to do with what they're showing.
    I definitely got bored watching the 2K5 highlights, but I don't blame them for running out of stuff. It was all shot well, but it was shot well because it was all pre-canned. I mean literally you needed the hard drive on Xbox because they would pre-load the canned replays onto your device and there was a limited number of replays they had that Berman did VO for. In today's environment, it's hard for me to believe they couldn't find a way to one-up that by auto-generating replays for some sort of weekly show if they wanted to invest in it. It just might not be something they think is worth that heavy investment.
    As for in-game stuff in terms of a halftime show, beyond getting highlights from games you aren't involved in, it just feels like they haven't invested much in updating the halftime show beyond changing the voice since it was first implemented years back. Again, it might just be low priority for them.

    Yea, I remember reading somewhere about how they did it with 2K5. But it was still a way to immerse yourself in the game. The goal for all of these games should be to replicate what you see on TV. Not just from a gameplay perspective, but also from the presentation. I don't expect perfection on the first try, but EA isn't even trying.
    I'm actually enjoying the gameplay for the first time in years with M20, but so little effort goes in to presentation that it really breaks away from the immersion. The commentary is fantastic, but everything else is just bland and uninspired. Even the fact that they're still using the "EA Sports" network branding is disappointing.
    Madden has the weakest presentation of all the big sport videogames (NBA2K, MLB The Show...). Frostbite engine looks great but Madden doesen't use it to it's full potential. Look @ battlefield how great it looks in every aspect (animations, weather effects, faces etc.)
    Then we have clippings, bad collision system, crazy physics , lifeless face animations etc. Overall Madden looks amateurish, often silly and not like real american football. Replays are also awful and the feel of the game is something like soulless.
    It's time for next gen. Hopefully they kill the old gameplay code and build a new engine designed for sportgames...
    EA at least add the referees back for field goal attempts & extra points! I don't like them being removed at all but like someone else already pointed out, it's extremely jarring during field goals & extra points. You should at least figure out how to add them back in a title update...
    The gameplay is definitely improved but the immersion killers like refs being removed (which is a part of presentation) are hurting the overall experience. It's bad enough we've had to deal with lackluster generic sidelines for so many years, but now you remove refs on top of that? Cut us sim heads some slack EA!
    "Living Worlds" was a flat out lie.  This Frostbite/Ignite thing was all fluff and talk, and EA gets a D grade from me in their next gen effort.   The sheer power of the Xbox One could handle far more than what they put out.  Referees taking resources is purely their flaw in their engine and coding.  They've fallen short in just about everything this decade besides the stadium graphics and fidelity of the player models.  Gameplay and AI fell incredibly short 

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