Connect with us

Is Your MLB The Show 20 Trade Fair? Come Find Out

mlb the show trade machine

MLB The Show 20

Is Your MLB The Show 20 Trade Fair? Come Find Out

One of my favorite threads each season on the MLB The Show forums deals with folks grading out trades. I consider it the MLB The Show Trade Machine of sorts — if we can compare it to the ESPN NBA Trade Machine. OS user Bard leads it up, and he has a formulaic approach based on WAR and various other values to come up with surplus value and all that good stuff. In short, it’s a relatively clean way to know in a vacuum whether a trade is fair or not.

The great part about this is the formula is out there in the thread and beyond, and so you can use it yourself for your own trades. But my favorite part is when people ask for input from the peanut gallery so they can assess what fair value is and what you should be seeking in a trade. As nice as it may be to be able to put players on the trade block in the game, it’s way more fun seeing it play out among real people.

If you want to find out if one of your trades is legit, or you just want to give feedback on other trades being thrown out there, head to the thread and bookmark it. I’m sure many more folks will be starting their franchises in the coming days and weeks as minor league rosters get ironed out and people settle on who they want to be.

171 Comments

Leave a Reply

Discussion
  1. dickey1331
    I always enjoy reading this thread.
    My plan as the Texas Rangers is to trade for Nolan Arenado. What is a realistic trade for him? Thank you!
    Sweet, first up this year!
    Nolan Arenado is roughly worth $172.7 in surplus.
    This one is a tough trade assuming you want to keep Gallo, if you want to deal Gallo it is easier. I had to use a mix of my method and the trade machine because WAR wise, this isn't happening, however this deal does make sense for both sides to do.
    Rockies land two top 100 prospects in positions of need, and also land MLB ready OF/INF and SP who are young and affordable.
    Rangers Receive:
    Nolan Arenado
    Rockies Receive:
    Josh Jung (24.1) *outdated, my better guess would be 45
    Sam Huff (24.1) *outdated, my better guess would be 45
    Willie Calhoun (17)
    Kolby Allard (21.5) *should be higher, possibly 38-40.
    With my personal adjustments made, the value is closer to 147 compared to 86.7. Still not quite to the value of Nolan, but then add in his contract is super massive, I think the Rockies would be happy with this deal.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Great thing about just starting this an hour ago.
    I'm going to rework the prospect values a little bit. Just reading through that Pittsburgh page again from 2018, they still use $8 million per WAR, and honestly we should be at $10-10.5. so I'm going to do some quick math and adjust that in the base post up top!
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Gallo to Oakland? Be willing to give up Chapman if necessary. i know it wouldnt happen being in division but im moving Oakland to Vegas and want him to play for hometown team
    kenp86
    Gallo to Oakland? Be willing to give up Chapman if necessary. i know it wouldnt happen being in division but im moving Oakland to Vegas and want him to play for hometown team
    Rangers Receive:
    Sean Murphy ($51)
    AJ Puk ($27)
    Lotto ticket
    Las Vegas Athletics Receive:
    Joey Gallo (~$72.4)
    Rangers are gaining two prospects in the top 100, and both are pretty MLB ready. The Rangers are also gaining an extra lotto ticket to seal the in-division trade as they were already getting more value for Gallo with the two prospects, but they needed a cherry on top from Oakland.
    With the Rangers trading Gallo, I would assume they would be going into a rebuild, hence the no true MLB talent going back to Texas.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Would love to trade off Stanton, as I have Frazier that I want to play in LF. IRL, I wasn’t a fan of the Stanton trade. I won’t lie, his first game as a Yankee against Toronto had me excited as he smacked two homers. But, he’s played even worse than I thought he would (when he plays). Him and his contract are a waste.
    I realize his contract is huge, but what is a “close to the most realistic trade” I could make? Severino and German are both out of my rotation for obvious reasons, so I was thinking to go after an SP for one. What do you think? Thanks!
    Bard
    Sweet, first up this year!
    Nolan Arenado is roughly worth $172.7 in surplus.
    This one is a tough trade assuming you want to keep Gallo, if you want to deal Gallo it is easier. I had to use a mix of my method and the trade machine because WAR wise, this isn't happening, however this deal does make sense for both sides to do.
    Rockies land two top 100 prospects in positions of need, and also land MLB ready OF/INF and SP who are young and affordable.
    Rangers Receive:
    Nolan Arenado
    Rockies Receive:
    Josh Jung (24.1) *outdated, my better guess would be 45
    Sam Huff (24.1) *outdated, my better guess would be 45
    Willie Calhoun (17)
    Kolby Allard (21.5) *should be higher, possibly 38-40.
    With my personal adjustments made, the value is closer to 147 compared to 86.7. Still not quite to the value of Nolan, but then add in his contract is super massive, I think the Rockies would be happy with this deal.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    Awesome! Thank you!
    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    duh1call3dston3s
    Would love to trade off Stanton, as I have Frazier that I want to play in LF. IRL, I wasn’t a fan of the Stanton trade. I won’t lie, his first game as a Yankee against Toronto had me excited as he smacked two homers. But, he’s played even worse than I thought he would (when he plays). Him and his contract are a waste.
    I realize his contract is huge, but what is a “close to the most realistic trade” I could make? Severino and German are both out of my rotation for obvious reasons, so I was thinking to go after an SP for one. What do you think? Thanks!
    If we are talking realistic, Stanton is staying in New York until his contract runs out. Nobody wants an injury prone player, who makes over $26-32 million a year for the next 8+ years.
    His surplus is -$55.6 million. There is no way anyone is taking him for anything.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Howdy Bard. Still kicking here. Doing a Rockies franchise. Want to deal Nolan to the Cardinals.. what would a deal look like? Also, whats value on Blackmon? Given his age, not part of my plans. Wanna deal him as well
    Bigwebb48
    Howdy Bard. Still kicking here. Doing a Rockies franchise. Want to deal Nolan to the Cardinals.. what would a deal look like? Also, whats value on Blackmon? Given his age, not part of my plans. Wanna deal him as well
    Cardinals Receive:
    Nolan Arenado ($172.7)
    Rockies Receive:
    Dylan Carlson ($75)
    Nolan Gorman ($51)
    Matthew Liberatore ($27)
    Carlos Martinez ($2.6)
    So, this lands the Rockies three top 100 prospects. Also, Carlos Martinez who is locked up for two more years at $23 million, then also has two option years helps balance the money a tiny bit, and gives the Rockies a MLB option for the rotation or bullpen. The Cardinals take out their top three prospects, but still come short in actual value for Arenado which I'll take as a wash since it is so high.
    Charlie Blackmon is roughly $15.4 million in surplus taking in his two player options that he will trigger.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    UravenzownU
    What could Trey Mancini fetch me?
    He is roughly worth $41.9 in surplus. He could fetch back a decent return for sure!
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    I’d love to move on from Domingo German, don’t need someone with that rep on my team (I know, I know, I wish we would’ve let Chapman go too.) Thoughts on what I could net for him including his suspension stigma? In a world where you can dump Chapman and Osuna, should be able to find someone to buy in German. Thoughts?
    Bard
    If we are talking realistic, Stanton is staying in New York until his contract runs out. Nobody wants an injury prone player, who makes over $26-32 million a year for the next 8+ years.
    His surplus is -$55.6 million. There is no way anyone is taking him for anything.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    Ellsbury him and take the insurance $$!!
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    Bard
    Cardinals Receive:
    Nolan Arenado ($172.7)
    Rockies Receive:
    Dylan Carlson ($75)
    Nolan Gorman ($51)
    Matthew Liberatore ($27)
    Carlos Martinez ($2.6)
    So, this lands the Rockies three top 100 prospects. Also, Carlos Martinez who is locked up for two more years at $23 million, then also has two option years helps balance the money a tiny bit, and gives the Rockies a MLB option for the rotation or bullpen. The Cardinals take out their top three prospects, but still come short in actual value for Arenado which I'll take as a wash since it is so high.
    Charlie Blackmon is roughly $15.4 million in surplus taking in his two player options that he will trigger.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    How would you even do a trade like this? It’s 3 people per deal
    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    UravenzownU
    Two more.... Doin this Os rebuild haha
    Austin Hays and Chance Sisco?
    Austin Hays I would say is still around $35-40 million in surplus. He's now two years removed from being the top 23 prospect in baseball.
    Chance Sisco would be lower than Hays by about $15 million.
    Neither would truly land anything, though. Neither have done too much, and would be more interesting as pieces going to a rebuild team. I wouldn't deal them.
    Mattchu12
    I’d love to move on from Domingo German, don’t need someone with that rep on my team (I know, I know, I wish we would’ve let Chapman go too.) Thoughts on what I could net for him including his suspension stigma? In a world where you can dump Chapman and Osuna, should be able to find someone to buy in German. Thoughts?
    $26.5 million in surplus for Domingo is what I'm figuring. However, I would say a few lotto tickets if you want to Chapman/Osuna him.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    joshrmlb
    How would you even do a trade like this? It’s 3 people per deal
    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Simple. 3 for 1, then the fourth for a scrub on the other team.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    franch1se
    trying to trade either Joey Lucchesi or Cal Quantrill. Who would fetch more and what would the return look like?

    Lucchesi will fetch you more than Quantrill. The return is heavily dependent on what you're looking to accomplish.
    cubbies1744
    Bard,
    What could I get for Kris Bryant and Jose Quintana if Quintana could even get me a return looking for a lead off type prospect and pitching?
    Sent from my SM-N975U using Operation Sports mobile app
    Kris Bryant is around $25.8 million in surplus.
    Jose Quintana is around $4.6 million in surplus.
    Bryant will still bring back some quality pieces, but Quintana now not so much.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    MrSerendipity
    Lucchesi will fetch you more than Quantrill. The return is heavily dependent on what you're looking to accomplish.

    They don't fit my future plans. With Gore and Patino coming up, as is Baez and Morejon, all 4 of who have more upside paired with Paddack and Lamet with Richards and Davies its just getting to be too many SP for only 5 spots.
    Bard
    Rangers Receive:
    Sean Murphy ($51)
    AJ Puk ($27)
    Lotto ticket
    Las Vegas Athletics Receive:
    Joey Gallo (~$72.4)
    Rangers are gaining two prospects in the top 100, and both are pretty MLB ready. The Rangers are also gaining an extra lotto ticket to seal the in-division trade as they were already getting more value for Gallo with the two prospects, but they needed a cherry on top from Oakland.
    With the Rangers trading Gallo, I would assume they would be going into a rebuild, hence the no true MLB talent going back to Texas.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    ..........
    Hey guys, thanks for doing this thread again, it always makes my Show experience that much better.
    I’m doing my standard 30-team control Jays franchise, and I’m finally looking to make a bit of a splash. With the rebuild finally looking like it’s turning the corner, I’m interested in what a Lindor to Jays trade would look like.
    Though it’s kind of a weird fit, there were rumours we checked in on him this winter, and given the front offices connection to him in Cleveland (they drafted him while members of the Cleveland FO), and Bo’s ominous comments about “playing anywhere,” I’d like to add Lindor and push the infield over the top.
    I think at this point teams aren’t budging on top-10, blue chip guys, so I’m not willing to move Pearson, Bo or Vlad. I don’t want to rip off Cleveland, but I also don’t think a gross overpay is needed given the contract situation.
    Taking a look at values, I think Groshans (BA’s #29 ‘spect) is a good starting point.
    I have:
    Lindor = $63.3M (assuming a 22.5M salary in arb for 2021)
    Groshans = $51M (according to the chart on page 1) or $40.1M (according to the trade machine)
    I’m basically looking for a good second/third piece for this deal. This obviously assumes that Cleveland is willing to trade Lindor for futures, which is their best play at this point in my opinion.
    Thanks!
    brandonholmes
    Hey guys, thanks for doing this thread again, it always makes my Show experience that much better.
    I’m doing my standard 30-team control Jays franchise, and I’m finally looking to make a bit of a splash. With the rebuild finally looking like it’s turning the corner, I’m interested in what a Lindor to Jays trade would look like.
    Though it’s kind of a weird fit, there were rumours we checked in on him this winter, and given the front offices connection to him in Cleveland (they drafted him while members of the Cleveland FO), and Bo’s ominous comments about “playing anywhere,” I’d like to add Lindor and push the infield over the top.
    I think at this point teams aren’t budging on top-10, blue chip guys, so I’m not willing to move Pearson, Bo or Vlad. I don’t want to rip off Cleveland, but I also don’t think a gross overpay is needed given the contract situation.
    Taking a look at values, I think Groshans (BA’s #29 ‘spect) is a good starting point.
    I have:
    Lindor = $63.3M (assuming a 22.5M salary in arb for 2021)
    Groshans = $51M (according to the chart on page 1) or $40.1M (according to the trade machine)
    I’m basically looking for a good second/third piece for this deal. This obviously assumes that Cleveland is willing to trade Lindor for futures, which is their best play at this point in my opinion.
    Thanks!
    Simeon Richardson would be the literal perfect second piece value wise. Then I would throw in a lotto ticket as a third piece. Indians land two top 100 prospects, and a lotto ticket.
    Honestly, I imagine that'll be the similar value the Indians get if they do deal Lindor.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Bard
    Simeon Richardson would be the literal perfect second piece value wise. Then I would throw in a lotto ticket as a third piece. Indians land two top 100 prospects, and a lotto ticket.
    Honestly, I imagine that'll be the similar value the Indians get if they do deal Lindor.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    If I lose Bo to injury or Biggio struggles I may make this trade as well. Thanks a lot :)
    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Bard
    Simeon Richardson would be the literal perfect second piece value wise. Then I would throw in a lotto ticket as a third piece. Indians land two top 100 prospects, and a lotto ticket.
    Honestly, I imagine that'll be the similar value the Indians get if they do deal Lindor.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    Haha, I was afraid you’d say that.
    I’m hesitant to move SWR seeing as they just picked him up, from a realism POV (not that the Jays doing anything like this is realistic at all), but I think you’re right in saying the value is right on the nose.
    Looking at the Tribes prospect list and their spot on the win curve, I wonder if they’d be amenable to something like Manoah and Moreno along with Groshans. Manoah was the 11th pick last year and is likely a quick mover, and Moreno gives them a high-upside catching prospect, which seems to be an area of need.
    That takes out the second top-100, but gives them two players on the fringe of the top-100 (according to BA) instead of one t100 guy and a lotto ticket.
    hey Bard, I was reading your initial post and it gives great detail for positional players, but what about for Pitchers? Also, what about for guys who don't have 3 years of WAR built up?
    franch1se
    hey Bard, I was reading your initial post and it gives great detail for positional players, but what about for Pitchers? Also, what about for guys who don't have 3 years of WAR built up?
    Pitchers would be the same! Just take their WAR.
    Less than 3 years is so tough. I just try to do a modified version, so the most recent WAR times 6, if they have two years times by 6 then 3. No service time, try to find them on a top 100-200 list for prospects.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    boxers
    What a trade for Cal Quantrill look like if I'm the Marlins? I'd be willing to take on the Wil Myers contract as well.
    Tough call. Top 50 prospect in 2018, fell off that season and 2019 he was very meh in MLB.
    Padres will want value for him, but I would say $15 million is his surplus. Not much, bottom end top 100 pitcher value at absolute highest.
    Ryne Stanek comes in at around $13.2 million in surplus.
    Marlins Receive:
    Cal Quantrill
    Padres Receive:
    Ryne Stanek
    Lotto ticket
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Much appreciated. Stanek is great in-game, so that would be a tough deal but pretty fair. Any suggestions on trading Villar and acquiring Matthew Boyd from the Tigers?
    Bard
    Tough call. Top 50 prospect in 2018, fell off that season and 2019 he was very meh in MLB.
    Padres will want value for him, but I would say $15 million is his surplus. Not much, bottom end top 100 pitcher value at absolute highest.
    Ryne Stanek comes in at around $13.2 million in surplus.
    Marlins Receive:
    Cal Quantrill
    Padres Receive:
    Ryne Stanek
    Lotto ticket
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    boxers
    Much appreciated. Stanek is great in-game, so that would be a tough deal but pretty fair. Any suggestions on trading Villar and acquiring Matthew Boyd from the Tigers?
    Jonathan Villar is worth around $21 million in surplus. Meaning he could nab one bottom end pitcher in the top 100. He is a pretty valuable guy to have around.
    Boyd is worth around $65 million in surplus, as he is quite valuable.
    Marlins Receive:
    Matthew Boyd $65
    Tigers Receive:
    JJ Bleday $51
    Edward Cabrera $13
    Lotto ticket
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Any suggestions on what I could get for Keone Kela and Adam Frazier respectively? I’d be willing to throw in joe Musgrove into either deal as well.
    I’m also thinking about trading Chris Archer but I’m hesitant cause I’m not sure if that would be too many trades on one deadline day.
    Hey guys. Forgive me, I don't post on here often but I'm making an effort this year with some free time.
    My Tigers are in full sell mode right now of the current roster and I'm gauging interest around the league for our players. Vets and prospects. I'm very much as interested in flowndoring or unwanted, yet capable vets, as I am in prospects. We aren't rebuilding the farm system, we are assembling a competitor.
    Also, Khris Davis and Franklin Barretto have been on my radar.
    Thanks, Detroit.
    MFrigge2
    Any suggestions on what I could get for Keone Kela and Adam Frazier respectively? I’d be willing to throw in joe Musgrove into either deal as well.
    I’m also thinking about trading Chris Archer but I’m hesitant cause I’m not sure if that would be too many trades on one deadline day.

    Keone Kela is worth $5.37 million in surplus. So, not much at all.
    Adam Frazier is worth $47.1 million in surplus. He could land a prospect in the top 100 and a lotto ticket.
    Joe Musgrove is worth $28.6 so he definitely has some value on the trade market.
    Depends on teams contending and such that are looking for a cheap RP. Then to land a good utility option that is a starter and a pitcher that can start or relieve.
    BoNity
    Hey guys. Forgive me, I don't post on here often but I'm making an effort this year with some free time.
    My Tigers are in full sell mode right now of the current roster and I'm gauging interest around the league for our players. Vets and prospects. I'm very much as interested in flowndoring or unwanted, yet capable vets, as I am in prospects. We aren't rebuilding the farm system, we are assembling a competitor.
    Also, Khris Davis and Franklin Barretto have been on my radar.
    Thanks, Detroit.

    Khris Davis is worth -$14.3 million at this point. He is not valuable whatsoever.
    Franklin Barretto is difficult. He has had three years of attempts in the pros, but barely is over 200 at bats for his career. His negative career WAR and future earnings would put him at around -$30 million in surplus, which isn't correct. He isn't worth much anymore, but I would still give him a positive $10 million in surplus due to his cheapness, age, and service time.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    I've been thinking about making some moves in my Rangers franchise whenever the new rosters drop. Thoughts on these?
    BAL Receives:
    Willie Calhoun
    Leodys Taveras
    Chris Seise
    TEX Receives:
    Trey Mancini
    __________________________________
    SF Receives:
    Jonathan Hernadez
    Ariel Jurado
    TEX Receives:
    Dereck Rodriguez
    MrSerendipity
    I've been thinking about making some moves in my Rangers franchise whenever the new rosters drop. Thoughts on these?
    BAL Receives:
    Willie Calhoun
    Leodys Taveras
    Chris Seise
    TEX Receives:
    Trey Mancini
    __________________________________
    SF Receives:
    Jonathan Hernadez
    Ariel Jurado
    TEX Receives:
    Dereck Rodriguez

    MrSerendipity
    I've been thinking about making some moves in my Rangers franchise whenever the new rosters drop. Thoughts on these?
    BAL Receives:
    Willie Calhoun $17
    Leodys Taveras $15
    Chris Seise $15
    TEX Receives:
    Trey Mancini $41.9
    __________________________________
    SF Receives:
    Jonathan Hernadez $
    Ariel Jurado $
    TEX Receives:
    Dereck Rodriguez$

    Trade one. Taveras and Seise should probably be worth more, but they are just young. Neither are on the top 100 yet, but both have value. I think that deal works out fine.
    Giants would likely not deal Dereck, yet. No reason to. You are buying low on him. His first year was solid, and his second year was...bad. Any different way I do his calculation it comes out negative, and he isn't a negative player. I'll go ahead and veto any D-Rod deals.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Bard
    Trade one. Taveras and Seise should probably be worth more, but they are just young. Neither are on the top 100 yet, but both have value. I think that deal works out fine.
    Giants would likely not deal Dereck, yet. No reason to. You are buying low on him. His first year was solid, and his second year was...bad. Any different way I do his calculation it comes out negative, and he isn't a negative player. I'll go ahead and veto any D-Rod deals.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    As for the first trade, thank you bud. On the second, that is Pudge's son you're telling me I can't have! Lol. I thought about including Garcia instead of Hernandez. Younger, higher upside and from California. But I do agree that buying Rodriguez might be buying too low this year.
    CesspoolofGreatness
    Speaking of Joey Gallo, is it at all possible to get Joey Gallo and Willie Calhoun to the white sox, preferably with either Encarnacion or Abreu as part of the package?
    1. Yes it is possible.
    2. Rangers wouldn't want either of those guys in a return deal.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Bard
    1. Yes it is possible.
    2. Rangers wouldn't want either of those guys in a return deal.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    I'm a bias Rangers fan who genuinely can't see Texas dealing Gallo. With that said, if they did, it would have to be for a haul. He's the face of our team currently and he's dearly, dearly loved by our fans. I personally don't like the White Sox as a trade partner. If I were constructing a trade, as a bias Ranger fan, this is likely what it would look like:
    CWS Receives:
    Joey Gallo
    Danny Santana
    TEX Receives:
    Andrew Vaughn
    Nick Madrigal
    Daniel Palka
    I'm likely being told this is an overpay but any team swinging a deal for Gallo is going to overpay. He's the biggest star Texas has had since Hamilton. That is a lot for a team with a new stadium that needs filled seats. In this deal, Chicago gets Gallo to play RF, completing one of the scariest OF in baseball and Santana who can serve as a 4th Outfielder and a super-utility guy for the team. Texas fills the void at first with Vaughn who would likely debut for Texas the following year. They also get a surefire replacement for Odor in Madrigal who would very well debut before season's end. Palka serves as an additional Major League piece that can fill the gap in the OF that Gallo's absence would leave.
    MrSerendipity
    I'm a bias Rangers fan who genuinely can't see Texas dealing Gallo. With that said, if they did, it would have to be for a haul. He's the face of our team currently and he's dearly, dearly loved by our fans. I personally don't like the White Sox as a trade partner. If I were constructing a trade, as a bias Ranger fan, this is likely what it would look like:
    CWS Receives:
    Joey Gallo
    Danny Santana
    TEX Receives:
    Andrew Vaughn
    Nick Madrigal
    Daniel Palka
    I'm likely being told this is an overpay but any team swinging a deal for Gallo is going to overpay. He's the biggest star Texas has had since Hamilton. That is a lot for a team with a new stadium that needs filled seats. In this deal, Chicago gets Gallo to play RF, completing one of the scariest OF in baseball and Santana who can serve as a 4th Outfielder and a super-utility guy for the team. Texas fills the void at first with Vaughn who would likely debut for Texas the following year. They also get a surefire replacement for Odor in Madrigal who would very well debut before season's end. Palka serves as an additional Major League piece that can fill the gap in the OF that Gallo's absence would leave.
    Just going to start with this is a heavy bias you have, lol.
    Madrigal in my mind is already better than Gallo and he hasn't even debuted yet.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Since there’s already been a Arenado trade to the Rangers. How about what it would take to get Kris Bryant to Texas?
    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
    Bard
    Just going to start with this is a heavy bias you have, lol.
    Madrigal in my mind is already better than Gallo and he hasn't even debuted yet.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    I think that's a lot to say for a guy who hasn't proved it at the highest level. Now, I'm not using our formula to devise values, I'm using baseballtradevalues as it's just quicker and I like how intuitive it is. BTV has Gallo at 67.2M and Madrigal at 32.4M. The total value for that trade on BTV is slanted towards Texas who receives approximately 6.6M more in the deal.
    Scott
    Since there’s already been a Arenado trade to the Rangers. How about what it would take to get Kris Bryant to Texas?
    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

    My recommendation:
    Jung
    Solak
    H. Hernandez
    Bard may have a different deal.
    MrSerendipity
    I think that's a lot to say for a guy who hasn't proved it at the highest level. Now, I'm not using our formula to devise values, I'm using baseballtradevalues as it's just quicker and I like how intuitive it is. BTV has Gallo at 67.2M and Madrigal at 32.4M. The total value for that trade on BTV is slanted towards Texas who receives approximately 6.6M more in the deal.
    I have Nick at $51 million in surplus. Gallo I want to say is $72.
    Deal is probably fair, but if I was the White Sox I wouldnt do that in 2020.
    I'll get to the Bryant one soon!
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Bard
    I have Nick at $51 million in surplus. Gallo I want to say is $72.
    Deal is probably fair, but if I was the White Sox I wouldnt do that in 2020.
    I'll get to the Bryant one soon!
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    To be fair, if I were the White Sox, I wouldn't do it either. That is why I don't like them as a trade partner for Gallo. They have nothing outside of Vaughn and Madrigal that even tickles Texas' interest. But Vaughn and Madrigal makes more sense for Chicago's future then dealing for Gallo.
    Using my method of valuing players
    Pirates Receive:
    SP Kolby Allard ($96 million)
    Rangers Receive:
    SS Cole Tucker ($85 million)
    RP Dovydas Neverauskas ($40 million)
    Thoughts?
    Jeffrey Smith
    What value does Randal Grichuk have? I’m looking for relief help.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    Buccosback
    Using my method of valuing players
    Pirates Receive:
    SP Kolby Allard ($96 million)
    Rangers Receive:
    SS Cole Tucker ($85 million)
    RP Dovydas Neverauskas ($40 million)
    Thoughts?
    Scott
    Since there’s already been a Arenado trade to the Rangers. How about what it would take to get Kris Bryant to Texas?
    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

    Scott
    Since there’s already been a Arenado trade to the Rangers. How about what it would take to get Kris Bryant to Texas?
    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

    Bryant is worth $25.8.
    Cubs Receive:
    Jung
    Lotto ticket
    Rangers Receive:
    Kris Bryant
    Jung is worth around $33 million alone, but the Cubs wouldn't take a one for one. They'll take a top 100 prospect and a lotto ticket for Bryant.
    Buccosback
    Using my method of valuing players
    Pirates Receive:
    SP Kolby Allard ($96 million)
    Rangers Receive:
    SS Cole Tucker ($85 million)
    RP Dovydas Neverauskas ($40 million)
    Thoughts?

    Allard has about a fourth of that value. Cole Tucker has never broke the top 100 prospects, and wasn't good in his debut last year...how did you have him that high? Seems strange.
    I would just throw that deal out. The math doesn't add up for any of them.
    Jeffrey Smith
    What value does Randal Grichuk have? I’m looking for relief help.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    Randal is worth around $.01 in surplus. So, he really isn't worth much at all, and is almost in the negative. What would help him is a strong season, and them be a trade deadline flip at this point.
    He is worth $10 million, times 4 years of control is $40, but then subtract his contract (12, 9.33x3) and you get .01.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    according to baseball trade simulator trade values Tucker has more value than Allard. It's hard to evaluate players with little big league time. Both were first round picks. Pirates need pitchers and Rangers need infielders. I'd be willing to maybe add in another piece to the trade.
    Wouldn't that be a bit high for Allard? He got dealt for 30+year old reliever last year, surely he can't hold that much value any more.
    Buccosback
    Using my method of valuing players
    Pirates Receive:
    SP Kolby Allard ($96 million)
    Rangers Receive:
    SS Cole Tucker ($85 million)
    RP Dovydas Neverauskas ($40 million)
    Thoughts?
    I use a different valuation of players. For example Bryan Reynolds has $167million in value. I've used a mix of Player role, WAR, contract value, team control value, and age
    boxers
    Wouldn't that be a bit high for Allard? He got dealt for 30+year old reliever last year, surely he can't hold that much value any more.
    Michael412
    I know this doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a rebuilding Pirates but I was thinking about trying to bring McCutchen back.

    I plan on signing him back after his contract is up with the Phillies
    Bard
    $26.5 million in surplus for Domingo is what I'm figuring. However, I would say a few lotto tickets if you want to Chapman/Osuna him.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    I was hoping to flip him for a young starter with similar control, though maybe without as good of a track record, even if I had to add something to it. Maybe like a Tauchman or a Holder type. Thoughts on what a German + Tauchman/Holder/Estrada/Wade type might be?
    If that’s not out there, is James Kaprelian considered a lotto pick yet? Been ages since he pitched. Or would a big risk guy like Michael Fulmer be an option? Gotta think the Tigers could use someone as cheap as German.
    One thing SDS needs to fix is a glitch in the trade program. IRL a player who signs in the offseason cannot be traded away by the acquiring team until June 15.
    In my franchise Rendon signed with the Padres and was already on the trade block in the first week of the season. The will accept a deal involving Marte and Archer for him but I'll wait until June 15 to take a serious look at whether I can afford his gradual increasing contract.
    My guess is San Diego signed him before they finished arbitration and renewable contracts and now realize they can't afford him in future years. Similar things have happened IRL but he shouldn't be available until June 15.
    Going to need for someone to place some value for me on a player from my carry-over franchise. I'm in year 2020. IRL this player as flatlined as from what he was thought to be, so IRL value wouldn't match what his value in the game is. Currently looking for trade comps as I'm at the trade deadline.
    18 GS, 8-3, 3.15 ERA, was below 3 as his last game he got murdered. 1.21 WHIP. 8.03 K/9, 1.90 BB/9. Currently 5th in CY Young Race
    Half year left on contract. 3 Million!
    A few guys I'd like to target in my Pirates franchise over the next few years are:
    SP Tony Gonsolin LAD
    CF DJ Peters LAD
    RHP Dennis Santana LAD
    SP Kolby Allard TEX
    P Taylor Hearn TEX
    C Sam Huff TEX
    SP Brent Honeywell TB
    OF Estevan Florial NYY
    SP Enyel De Los Santos PHI
    SP JoJo Romero PHI
    SamC24167
    what would you rate a good trade for Arenado from the Cards?

    That’s already up on the first couple of pages. Still looking for a trade for the Braves though.
    Coldarmy13
    That’s already up on the first couple of pages. Still looking for a trade for the Braves though.
    I would think for it to be realistic Pache or Waters would need to be included plus a top level pitching prospect.
    The thought of parting with either Pache or Waters is terrifying to me as a Braves fan though.
    I'm probably going to go for Chapman when I start my Braves franchise, depending on how Riley pans out.
    Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
    TnT1tan
    I would think for it to be realistic Pache or Waters would need to be included plus a top level pitching prospect.
    The thought of parting with either Pache or Waters is terrifying to me as a Braves fan though.
    I'm probably going to go for Chapman when I start my Braves franchise, depending on how Riley pans out.
    Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

    I was figuring a Riley/Pache type deal but wanted it to be legit so I posted here. Not sure exactly what gets it done
    Coldarmy13
    I was figuring a Riley/Pache type deal but wanted it to be legit so I posted here. Not sure exactly what gets it done

    I saw a deal in which it was Arenado for Riley/Wilson+ that I liked.
    In my own personal opinion, Arenado is the toughest to crack. His opt out effects his value so significantly. I’ve seen similar trades drawn up for Arenado to Texas that included Jung and Huff but from what I understand, those two players were never even proposed to be in the same deal. It was long rumored to be Jung, Winn and Hernandez. Riley and Wilson feels like a legitimate launching point, should we be factoring in Nolan’s opt out. If we’re not, and I’ll leave this up to Bard as he contributes far more than I, you have to start much higher up the board with a guy like Waters or Pache plus Riley and then a bit more.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    TnT1tan
    I would think for it to be realistic Pache or Waters would need to be included plus a top level pitching prospect.
    The thought of parting with either Pache or Waters is terrifying to me as a Braves fan though.
    I'm probably going to go for Chapman when I start my Braves franchise, depending on how Riley pans out.
    Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

    Chapman would be real nice! Not sure if the As would move him already though.
    Wat would Aristides Aquino value be?
    Might target him, but not sure what his value would be... (Started hot then cooled off big time, now might not even make opening day roster)
    Coldarmy13
    Chapman would be real nice! Not sure if the As would move him already though.
    Yeah probably not, especially if they're competing for a wild card spot. With Oakland it's kinda hard to tell but I also can't see them paying him next year, so if they're not competing I could see it.
    Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
    TnT1tan
    I would think for it to be realistic Pache or Waters would need to be included plus a top level pitching prospect.
    The thought of parting with either Pache or Waters is terrifying to me as a Braves fan though.
    I'm probably going to go for Chapman when I start my Braves franchise, depending on how Riley pans out.
    Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

    trading Pache is scarier than trading Waters for me. If Waters can't cut down on the strike outs, he'll have some big problems at the next level.
    I think an Arenado deal would probably revolve around Waters and a pitching prospect like Wilson or Toussaint. Like someone else said, Arenado's opt outs take away a lot of his value.
    I think I might try to make a deadline move for Kris Bryant if the Cubs are falling back in the NL Central in my franchise.
    GR5Noles
    trading Pache is scarier than trading Waters for me. If Waters can't cut down on the strike outs, he'll have some big problems at the next level.
    I think an Arenado deal would probably revolve around Waters and a pitching prospect like Wilson or Toussaint. Like someone else said, Arenado's opt outs take away a lot of his value.
    I think I might try to make a deadline move for Kris Bryant if the Cubs are falling back in the NL Central in my franchise.

    Would Pache and a pitching prospect likely work?
    .Hamels35
    What would a deal for the Phillies to acquire Kris Bryant? Would Bohm and Howard stay put?

    I don't think there is any chance that Philly could acquire Bryant without sending back Bohm.
    CHI:
    Bohm
    Medina
    Moniak
    Sounds about right.
    Bard
    Everyone still kicking from that CoronaVirus? It may have taken down real life baseball, but not our beloved The Show!
    With that out of the way...HELLO, everyone! Bard is 100% back here and ready for another year of fun trade discussions! I have done this the last few years, and it has been a blast to discuss trades with you all.
    Now, we have had some discussions on our trade tool being a little iffy on some occasions, and spot on with others. So, if you would like to use it, please do! I will still be using it to help everyone out in here :)
    However, there is this awesome site now that you can do trades within it, and if you want to use that I'll even adjust my old ways and help you with that as well!
    So, below will be our example and also the site for those trades! If anyone finds the updated prospect values just link in the thread and I'll update the example.
    -------------------------------
    Player Calculation Example:
    You're going to have to find the WAR for the player. We use Baseball Reference as they tend to have the most realistic WAR assessments. We will use Robinson Chirinos of the Texas Rangers for this example.
    Link: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/chiriro01.shtml

    Now we're going to create our total value from that WAR number. We've decided among ourselves, using Professional opinions, that the average worth for 1 WAR is 9 Million. So we're going to multiply Chirinos' WAR by 9 and then by the amount of years remaining on his contract. To do that, we're going to scroll down near the bottom where it says Salaries. See below.

    Okay, now we know how many years Chirinos has remaining in his contract and how much he will be paid for those years. Lets do our math.
    2.1(Player WAR) x 9 (WAR Worth) x 2 (Contracted Years Remaining) = 37.8M Total Value
    There we see that Chirinos is worth a total value of 37.8M. But now we have to identify what his surplus value is.
    .
    Prospect value:
    Top 100 Hitter:
    1-10: $95 surplus
    11-25: $75 surplus
    26-50: $51 surplus
    51-75: $33 surplus
    76-100: $18 surplus
    Top 100 Pitcher:
    1-10: $87 surplus
    11-25: $55 surplus
    26-50: $44 surplus
    51-75: $27 surplus
    76-100: $13 surplus
    Trade Machine
    https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/
    --------------------------------------------------
    New Year, new thread!
    Do you need help figuring out what to do with your team? Whether it be rebuilding or contending and want to know the values on certain players please come on in here and ask!
    If you have a rough draft deal made out and want suggestions to make it realistic or fair we will gladly help with that as well!
    Literally all trading needs of any kind are gladly discussed in here, and feedback is always given.
    I will do my best to answer as many questions I can this year as this is one of my favorite threads.
    Now. Let the trading season of MLB 20 the Show commence!
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk

    Been a while, just wanted to drop in and say hi to everyone and that I will be looking through this thread a lot more this year like I used to.
    GamecocksLaw17
    Been a while, just wanted to drop in and say hi to everyone and that I will be looking through this thread a lot more this year like I used to.

    Aye, welcome back man!
    bryanm1982
    Does anybody know if Arenado’s opt out is in this game?

    Don’t think so. Looking for a fair option in my braves chise to go get him.
    Also, any solid options I could look at for a closer? Not a Smith fan.
    Coldarmy13
    Don’t think so. Looking for a fair option in my braves chise to go get him.
    Also, any solid options I could look at for a closer? Not a Smith fan.

    I would think Riley would have to be part of it because where would the Braves play him with Arenado. I would think Riley and maybe Waters and another prospect?
    For closers, you could see what the Cubs would give for Kimbrel. They might want to save some salary. Maybe Ken Giles from Toronto?
    bryanm1982
    I would think Riley would have to be part of it because where would the Braves play him with Arenado. I would think Riley and maybe Waters and another prospect?
    For closers, you could see what the Cubs would give for Kimbrel. They might want to save some salary. Maybe Ken Giles from Toronto?

    Yeah I figured Riley with either Waters/Pache and a pitcher. Not sure who but would like to keep Anderson.
    What would a Kris Bryant to Atlanta deal look like? With him potentially being a rental, his value has to take a pretty big hit.
    Thinking something that revolves around Austin Riley as the centerpiece could be fair...
    Austin Riley + Bryse Wilson?
    Austin Riley + Touki Toussaint?
    ShawnDraven
    I'm the Atlanta Braves, the Dodgers have Walker Buehler on the block. They're looking for power and/or contact. I'm thinking Markakis/one of the silver SPs/Minter for him. What do you guys think?
    Sent from my SM-G930V using Operation Sports mobile app

    lmao. really??
    ShawnDraven
    I'm the Atlanta Braves, the Dodgers have Walker Buehler on the block. They're looking for power and/or contact. I'm thinking Markakis/one of the silver SPs/Minter for him. What do you guys think?
    Sent from my SM-G930V using Operation Sports mobile app

    Do yourself a favor and don't (cheat) , play fair.
    ShawnDraven
    I'm the Atlanta Braves, the Dodgers have Walker Buehler on the block. They're looking for power and/or contact. I'm thinking Markakis/one of the silver SPs/Minter for him. What do you guys think?
    Sent from my SM-G930V using Operation Sports mobile app

    Getting Buehler is essentially impossible if you care about realism even a little. But lets say you ignore realism and just look at value. You're looking at 5 years of a 4fWAR pitcher. He'll be a Super Two, and that means 4 trips to Arbitration, but he still probably only makes around $48 million since that's what David Price made through arbitration as a Super-Two.
    So you're looking at 4 x 9 x 5 = $180 - $48.5 = $132 million in Surplus
    You'd have to start a deal with Pache + Ian Anderson and throw in a Lotto Ticket like Freddy Tarnok, or Grayson Jenista, etc.
    GR5Noles
    What would a Kris Bryant to Atlanta deal look like? With him potentially being a rental, his value has to take a pretty big hit.
    Thinking something that revolves around Austin Riley as the centerpiece could be fair...
    Austin Riley + Bryse Wilson?
    Austin Riley + Touki Toussaint?

    Riley/Toussaint is good. I honestly think this might be an overpay if not for the fact that Atlanta would be squeezed because of how deep their farm is.
    ECUoak
    I’m looking at shopping Joc Pederson for some immediate bullpen help. Dodgers pen is terrible. Any ideas?
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    Pederson for Giles/Kay from TOR?
    kenp86
    Harper to Oakland? Whats the cost?

    Seriously unlikely. I mean Harper JUST signed that huge deal with Philly. Its also a hard trade to quantify because Harper honestly has seriously negative value in his current deal. Like, Oakland wouldn't have to give up much of anything. But then again Philly isn't going to deal Harper one year after spending all of this money on him when his value is a bit in the tank.
    Rmiok222
    This thread is so cool every year.
    Cubs give Indians schwarber, what do the Indians have to give in return?
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    Possible return:
    Jake Baeurs
    Gabriel Rodriguez
    Daniel Espino
    kenp86
    Would it take Jasson Dominguez attached to Stanton to move that contract?

    Like Harper, it makes little sense for Stanton to be moved. The Yankees are pretty much stuck in that contract. They sure as hell aren't going to attach Dominguez to him just to get rid of him. Stanton is worth more to the Yankees on their team than he is in trying to get rid of him.
    GamecocksLaw17
    Getting Buehler is essentially impossible if you care about realism even a little. But lets say you ignore realism and just look at value. You're looking at 5 years of a 4fWAR pitcher. He'll be a Super Two, and that means 4 trips to Arbitration, but he still probably only makes around $48 million since that's what David Price made through arbitration as a Super-Two.
    So you're looking at 4 x 9 x 5 = $180 - $48.5 = $132 million in Surplus
    You'd have to start a deal with Pache + Ian Anderson and throw in a Lotto Ticket like Freddy Tarnok, or Grayson Jenista, etc.

    I think it’s been impossible in game. It would have to be like Acuna or Albies in there at the very least.
    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    It's not blockbuster trade but what about
    Pirates Acquire:
    UT Harold Castro
    3B Jeimer Candelario
    (maybe SP Ivan Nova)
    Tigers Acquire:
    UT Kevin Kramer
    3B Colin Moran
    (maybe a prospect)
    All players in the deal are the same age essentailly and haven't blossomed in their current situation. I'm currently in spring training but once i get to June/July i'll revisit this trade. just wondering what others think.
    Buccosback
    It's not blockbuster trade but what about
    Pirates Acquire:
    UT Harold Castro
    3B Jeimer Candelario
    (maybe SP Ivan Nova)
    Tigers Acquire:
    UT Kevin Kramer
    3B Colin Moran
    (maybe a prospect)
    All players in the deal are the same age essentailly and haven't blossomed in their current situation. I'm currently in spring training but once i get to June/July i'll revisit this trade. just wondering what others think.

    I've more or less moved away from our surplus formula and have started using a website that generates player values now. I simply don't have the time to be breaking down values on players anymore. With that said, the website I use suggests the following:
    Pirates in this scenario are getting 22.8 in value. Candelario alone accounts for 17.7 of that. Whereas the Tigers are only getting 4.3 in value with Moran accounting for 2.9. This is without including Nova to Pittsburgh and a prospect back to Det.
    The Pirates would have to up their offer fairly substantially to swing this deal.
    bryanm1982
    Does that website figure in salary and contracts?

    Yes. It figures in a lot actually. Injury history and the whole nine. It's definitely serviceable for what we're doing.
    callmetaternuts
    Is this based on just our opinion or is there some Formula that’s used.
    New to the thread obviously.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    There's always been a formula used in this thread to determine value.
    Scott
    How does this look?

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    I'm a Rangers fan so I don't like weighing in on Ranger trades in fear of being bias. (Unless I know it's preposterous). I've been playing with deals similar to this one, I think I substituted Winn over Allard.
    Scott
    How does this look?

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Looks pretty even just like this. Allard I would imagine needs to be in the deal.
    Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
    Thinking about starting a franchise with the Cardinals. I would love to be able to acquire Lindor and Arenado but don’t know how “real” that would be. Lindor is 67 and I can give them DeLong and a prospect to overpay for him. I can give up Carlson, Gorman and someone else for Arenado since he is only 28. I know the Cardinals were in the rumors for Lindor early in the off-season and DeLong would have been included in the trade. Just don’t know if they would have done both trades in real life.
    bryanm1982
    Thinking about starting a franchise with the Cardinals. I would love to be able to acquire Lindor and Arenado but don’t know how “real” that would be. Lindor is 67 and I can give them DeLong and a prospect to overpay for him. I can give up Carlson, Gorman and someone else for Arenado since he is only 28. I know the Cardinals were in the rumors for Lindor early in the off-season and DeLong would have been included in the trade. Just don’t know if they would have done both trades in real life.

    im a die hard Cards fan and for Arenado i would give up Gorman Libertore and Carp for money reasons i feel he would need to be in there.\
    For Lindor i would say Dejong and maybe Knizner or Bader? How does this sound to anyone else??
    SamC24167
    im a die hard Cards fan and for Arenado i would give up Gorman Libertore and Carp for money reasons i feel he would need to be in there.\
    For Lindor i would say Dejong and maybe Knizner or Bader? How does this sound to anyone else??

    I would feel that Carlson would have to be included to get Arenado in real life. Or do you think I can pull that off while keeping Carlson?
    Hey all wondering what Mike Yastrzemski trade value is im not great at using the formula for guys with years left and I feel that simulator has himlow at 10M given the year he just had on not a great team, and some potential suitors that you guys would think would be a good fit.
    Some of my thoughts right now are...
    LAA he could replace Goodwin in RF.
    Cle if they are in contention closer to when Im looking to trade
    SD depending on how their OF is playing
    Bos if they are contending and some or one of their OF arent playing well
    Tex depending how their OF/ DH is playing
    Thanks in advance for any and all help.
    Scott
    According to that baseball simulator, Texas could get Arenado for Jung & Calhoun...Not necessarily realistic unfortunately.

    It's a simulator. Of course it's not necessarily realistic, my friend.
    However, while it's certainly not perfect, my belief is that there *should* be a mutual understanding that while someone like Arenado's value may well be "X", given his age, contract, stats, etc., that the Rockies still wouldn't trade him for that price.
    If you're trading for a star player, you're overpaying.
    MountUrCastle
    What would Matt Boyd return in a trade for the Tigers? I'm feeling a young C pitcher and a B prospect in a position of lesser value (e.g 1B/Corner OF)
    Matt Boyd is one of the bigger trade chips in baseball. You'll have to do a very steep overpay
    MountUrCastle
    What would Matt Boyd return in a trade for the Tigers? I'm feeling a young C pitcher and a B prospect in a position of lesser value (e.g 1B/Corner OF)

    Saw a reasonably good looking trade to the Mets involving him.
    DET: Boyd ($42.4)
    NYM: Gimenez ($18.4)+Baty ($18)+Ramirez ($4.5)+Szapucki ($5.4)
    I'd imagine a Boyd trade would look similar to this.
    I was wondering when trading Major league guys for prospects is their a certain percentage of the value you guys use to not go past with the top prospect in the return package.
    Or does this vary so much that it comes down to what you think a team would truthfully part with for a player with that players abilities?
    Thanks for any and all help
    Kahler77
    I was wondering when trading Major league guys for prospects is their a certain percentage of the value you guys use to not go past with the top prospect in the return package.
    Or does this vary so much that it comes down to what you think a team would truthfully part with for a player with that players abilities?
    Thanks for any and all help

    I tend to work off of what returns make the most sense per team. Using anything to formulaic wouldn’t work as not every prospect makes sense for each team. I like to check out the farm system of the team receiving prospects before I determine anything.
    kenp86
    Would it take Jasson Dominguez attached to Stanton to move that contract?

    Even with Dominguez attached to Stanton, you're still in the hole value-wise. We're talking a Kris Bryant-type value (WAR vs Contract)and then some.
    I have Stanton, in his current state, at a -55.2 value and Dominguez comes in at 33 being the 54th-best prospect in the game, according to MLB.com.
    Stanton's contract is a killer, and as MrSerendipity said, the Yankees aren't going to attach a potential generational talent to a trade to get out under a bad contract.
    From Bard's calculations and from a realism standpoint, there's no realistic trade involving Stanton right now.
    I am wanting to start a franchise with the Cardinals. Wanting Arenado but that would make the Cardinals line up RH heavy. Looking to do a 3 way deal with the Rockies and Braves. I got the numbers to work out but since Arenado is 28 value the generator so the generator wanted me the Rockies to give up more. I was only going to have them give up Arenado.
    Braves receive:
    Arenado from Rockies 28.8
    Esteves from Rockies 11.5
    Freeland from Rockies 16.9
    Oberg from Rockies 13.8
    Ponce De Leon from Cardinals 6.8
    Giving up: 77.8
    Receiving: 79.1
    Difference: 1.3
    Cardinals receive:
    Austin Riley from Braves 33.7
    Drew Waters from Braves 46.8
    Mark Markakis from Braves -1.4
    Giving up: 79.1
    Receiving: 78.0
    Difference: -1.1
    Rockies receive:
    Gorman from Cardinals 35.1
    Liberator from Cardinals 29.8
    Knizner from Cardinals 6.3
    Giving up: 71.2
    Receiving: 71.0
    Difference: -0.2
    Braves reasoning: They get their star 3B for the future with no player opt out. They receive some bullpen help and Freeland can stand for a change of scenery. Maybe he can make the rotation. I could also do the deal without Freeland, Oberg, Esteves but the numbers wouldn’t work. But I’d be okay with the Rockies getting more for Arenado.
    Cardinals reasoning: They get their potential 3B now instead of waiting for Norman. Riley can platoon with Carpenter at 3B and fill in the outfield. They get Waters to be their outfielder of the future to replace Fowler. That way Bader can be a platoon with O’Neill or Lane. Markakis would be a needed left handed bat on the bench.
    Rockies reasoning: They get out of the long term contract of Arenado who is not happy in Denver. They get their catcher, a future starter and their 3B of their future.
    So what do you think of this trade? This deal probably would be cleaner with Waters not going to St. Louis.
    bryanm1982
    I am wanting to start a franchise with the Cardinals. Wanting Arenado but that would make the Cardinals line up RH heavy. Looking to do a 3 way deal with the Rockies and Braves. I got the numbers to work out but since Arenado is 28 value the generator so the generator wanted me the Rockies to give up more. I was only going to have them give up Arenado.
    Braves receive:
    Arenado from Rockies 28.8
    Esteves from Rockies 11.5
    Freeland from Rockies 16.9
    Oberg from Rockies 13.8
    Ponce De Leon from Cardinals 6.8
    Giving up: 77.8
    Receiving: 79.1
    Difference: 1.3
    Cardinals receive:
    Austin Riley from Braves 33.7
    Drew Waters from Braves 46.8
    Mark Markakis from Braves -1.4
    Giving up: 79.1
    Receiving: 78.0
    Difference: -1.1
    Rockies receive:
    Gorman from Cardinals 35.1
    Liberator from Cardinals 29.8
    Knizner from Cardinals 6.3
    Giving up: 71.2
    Receiving: 71.0
    Difference: -0.2
    Braves reasoning: They get their star 3B for the future with no player opt out. They receive some bullpen help and Freeland can stand for a change of scenery. Maybe he can make the rotation. I could also do the deal without Freeland, Oberg, Esteves but the numbers wouldn’t work. But I’d be okay with the Rockies getting more for Arenado.
    Cardinals reasoning: They get their potential 3B now instead of waiting for Norman. Riley can platoon with Carpenter at 3B and fill in the outfield. They get Waters to be their outfielder of the future to replace Fowler. That way Bader can be a platoon with O’Neill or Lane. Markakis would be a needed left handed bat on the bench.
    Rockies reasoning: They get out of the long term contract of Arenado who is not happy in Denver. They get their catcher, a future starter and their 3B of their future.
    So what do you think of this trade? This deal probably would be cleaner with Waters not going to St. Louis.

    that makes zero sense for Colorado and get the worst package out of the 3 teams for giving up the beat player in the deal
    whit3142
    Is there anything worthwhile that I can get for Seager or Gordon to aid in this Seattle rebuild?

    Both don't have a whole lot of value due to their contracts.
    Gordon comes to 9.2 WAR value, but he's owed $13.8M with a club option for $14M in 2021. This knocks him into negative territory (-4.6). He's age 31 and his best asset (his legs) are only going to get worse from here on out coupled with his dwindling on-base numbers.
    Seager comes to a 19.1 WAR value, but he's owed $38M over the next two years (club option for $15M in his age-34 season in 2022). He carries basically no value (0.2 value). You might find a 3B needy team at the deadline and unload him because of his pop from the left side and average defense.
    You'll most likely need to attach a prospect to get any sort of value, but that kind of defeats the purpose of a rebuild. What position(s) are you looking for?
    bryanm1982
    What if the Rockies give the Braves Arenado and the Rockies get Gorman, Liberatore, and Knizner. Cardinals get Riley and Waters.

    still a no go for me. Still giving up the beat player in the trade and not getting the better package of players. Wht wouldnt Colorado just trade Arenado to Atlanta for Riley, Pache/Waters and a top pitching prospect? Better than the return in your trade. Or trade him to St.Louis for Gorman, Carlson +
    I'm looking to bolster the Orioles farm system by making a move similar to the Giants trade for Zack Cozart and Will Wilson. For those who are unfamiliar, the Giants essentially traded cash considerations for Zack Cozart (bad contract negative value) and Will Wilson (high draft pick from 2019). Thought it was a cool way to acquire a prospect.
    Obviously, I'll have to send at least one player to a team, unlike the Giants, but I thought it would be a creative way to add some talent while taking on a bad contract.
    Any ideas? The veteran would need to be in the last year of an expensive contract (maybe 2 years). I was thinking if a team was looking to free up payroll for a trade deadline acquisition it could make some real-world sense. Not sure what current ML teams are close to their payroll budget limits.
    MarkVI
    I'm looking to bolster the Orioles farm system by making a move similar to the Giants trade for Zack Cozart and Will Wilson. For those who are unfamiliar, the Giants essentially traded cash considerations for Zack Cozart (bad contract negative value) and Will Wilson (high draft pick from 2019). Thought it was a cool way to acquire a prospect.
    Obviously, I'll have to send at least one player to a team, unlike the Giants, but I thought it would be a creative way to add some talent while taking on a bad contract.
    Any ideas? The veteran would need to be in the last year of an expensive contract (maybe 2 years). I was thinking if a team was looking to free up payroll for a trade deadline acquisition it could make some real-world sense. Not sure what current ML teams are close to their payroll budget limits.

    maybe someone like Jordan Zimmerman? Justin Upton? Shin-Soo Choo?
    MarkVI
    I'm looking to bolster the Orioles farm system by making a move similar to the Giants trade for Zack Cozart and Will Wilson. For those who are unfamiliar, the Giants essentially traded cash considerations for Zack Cozart (bad contract negative value) and Will Wilson (high draft pick from 2019). Thought it was a cool way to acquire a prospect.
    Obviously, I'll have to send at least one player to a team, unlike the Giants, but I thought it would be a creative way to add some talent while taking on a bad contract.
    Any ideas? The veteran would need to be in the last year of an expensive contract (maybe 2 years). I was thinking if a team was looking to free up payroll for a trade deadline acquisition it could make some real-world sense. Not sure what current ML teams are close to their payroll budget limits.

    Wil Myers from the Padres is a good option.
    I based one around sending Caleb Smith to them to upgrade their rotation, and got back a solid haul for taking Myers contract.
    Would you be willing to move John Means?
    MarkVI
    I'm looking to bolster the Orioles farm system by making a move similar to the Giants trade for Zack Cozart and Will Wilson. For those who are unfamiliar, the Giants essentially traded cash considerations for Zack Cozart (bad contract negative value) and Will Wilson (high draft pick from 2019). Thought it was a cool way to acquire a prospect.
    Obviously, I'll have to send at least one player to a team, unlike the Giants, but I thought it would be a creative way to add some talent while taking on a bad contract.
    Any ideas? The veteran would need to be in the last year of an expensive contract (maybe 2 years). I was thinking if a team was looking to free up payroll for a trade deadline acquisition it could make some real-world sense. Not sure what current ML teams are close to their payroll budget limits.


    Mariners Recieve: Chance Sisco
    Orioles Recieve: 3B Kyle Seager, SP George Kirby, SP Justin Dunn
    While I understand the Mariners are a rebuilding team, Mr Dipoto has shown a willingness to make trades to benefit his team regardless of the situation. The idea behind this being Rodriguez, Kelenic, White et al are close to the MLB to justify a signing in a future free agent class, like a starting pitcher.
    The core piece in this is George Kirby, who fills a positional need for the Orioles and doesn't really hurt the Mariners to move.
    MountUrCastle

    Mariners Recieve: Chance Sisco
    Orioles Recieve: 3B Kyle Seager, SP George Kirby, SP Justin Dunn
    While I understand the Mariners are a rebuilding team, Mr Dipoto has shown a willingness to make trades to benefit his team regardless of the situation. The idea behind this being Rodriguez, Kelenic, White et al are close to the MLB to justify a signing in a future free agent class, like a starting pitcher.
    The core piece in this is George Kirby, who fills a positional need for the Orioles and doesn't really hurt the Mariners to move.

    This is a pretty big stretch, IMO. Reason number 1 being that the Mariners literally just traded away Narvaez, a 2.2 WAR catcher, and now they're flipping the script to acquire a replacement level guy (Who has some upside)?
    The big thing here for me is that, yes, the Mariners would likely love to get out from that contract, but if the idea here is that "Everyone is close, so let's go spend on a pitcher in free agency!", then who the heck replaces the 2.8 WAR 3rd baseman that you're giving up two solid pitching prospects to get rid of?
    The M's have shown a willingness multiple times throughout the years to inflate their payroll, and realistically, when these guys are close, they will again. They don't really seem like a team that's going to go out, especially after they've spent the last couple of years amassing prospect capital, and then start trading those prospects to get out of contracts.
    kinsmen7
    This is a pretty big stretch, IMO. Reason number 1 being that the Mariners literally just traded away Narvaez, a 2.2 WAR catcher, and now they're flipping the script to acquire a replacement level guy (Who has some upside)?
    The big thing here for me is that, yes, the Mariners would likely love to get out from that contract, but if the idea here is that "Everyone is close, so let's go spend on a pitcher in free agency!", then who the heck replaces the 2.8 WAR 3rd baseman that you're giving up two solid pitching prospects to get rid of?
    The M's have shown a willingness multiple times throughout the years to inflate their payroll, and realistically, when these guys are close, they will again. They don't really seem like a team that's going to go out, especially after they've spent the last couple of years amassing prospect capital, and then start trading those prospects to get out of contracts.

    Yeah, I agree. The Orioles are making out here for sure, picking up two pitchers hovering around the 100-110 top prospects, plus two seasons of a decent 3B.
    This also doesn't really help the Mariners now or in the future. Sisco is OK, but he's not worth the return here even with taking on a bad contract.
    jkra0512
    Both don't have a whole lot of value due to their contracts.
    Gordon comes to 9.2 WAR value, but he's owed $13.8M with a club option for $14M in 2021. This knocks him into negative territory (-4.6). He's age 31 and his best asset (his legs) are only going to get worse from here on out coupled with his dwindling on-base numbers.
    Seager comes to a 19.1 WAR value, but he's owed $38M over the next two years (club option for $15M in his age-34 season in 2022). He carries basically no value (0.2 value). You might find a 3B needy team at the deadline and unload him because of his pop from the left side and average defense.
    You'll most likely need to attach a prospect to get any sort of value, but that kind of defeats the purpose of a rebuild. What position(s) are you looking for?

    Looking for Starting pitching or a future corner bat. Not sure anything is serviceable. If not some bullpen help would suffice.
    Any thoughts on acquiring Clint Frazier as the Jays? I’m open to trading Giles and prospects but I recall Cashman wanting a starter with term (other than Borucki, I don’t really have that). As in real life, he’s getting no ABs in my franchise mode.
    Based on the trade simulator, this trade comes in even and gives Yankees prospect depth and solid backup catcher but no immediate help:
    Yankees get:
    Adam Kloffenstein
    Dasan Brown
    Reese McGuire
    Jays get:
    Clint Frazier
    Hi everybody! Hope everyone is staying safe & healthy! I was looking at some trade ideas for my Brewers franchise on Baseball Trade Values. I was looking at trading Hader to the Yankees or to the Red Sox.
    Yankees get Hader & the Brewers get Andujar, Frazier, D. Garcia & Happ or
    Red Sox get Hader & the Brewers get Chavis, Dalbec & Mata or the Red Sox get Hader & Ray & the Brewers get Benintendi & Chavis. I don't know if these trades would happen IRL, but for right now, I'm just looking for what's fair. Thanks!!
    Also thought of another trade with Lutz & Suter going on to the Padres & the Brewers get Mejia & Profar
    Man, I’m really bummed. I’m doing a RTTS with the Braves who just traded Mike Soroka and Christian Pache (Braves #1 prospect) for Kenta Maeda in 2021. Maeda is 85 overall, but Soroka was 86 at the start of the season and Pache is 78... now Adam Duvall at 74 overall is starting in the OF. I’m either gonna have to start doing multiple saves or turn trades off.
    bryanm1982
    I would feel that Carlson would have to be included to get Arenado in real life. Or do you think I can pull that off while keeping Carlson?

    i feel like Carlson would be Kept out of the trade as long as its Gorman and Libertore and hell maybe even a dakota hudson or ryan hesley
    SamC24167
    i feel like Carlson would be Kept out of the trade as long as its Gorman and Libertore and hell maybe even a dakota hudson or ryan hesley

    which is why the trade died IRL. Personally, I think the trade should be Carlson, Gorman, Liberatore and Carpenter(Money reasons) for Arenado. Hes stated St.Louis is one of his favorite places to play and has a great deal of respect for the organization which leads me to believe he wouldnt opt out
    kenp86
    which is why the trade died IRL. Personally, I think the trade should be Carlson, Gorman, Liberatore and Carpenter(Money reasons) for Arenado. Hes stated St.Louis is one of his favorite places to play and has a great deal of respect for the organization which leads me to believe he wouldnt opt out

    i believe you i just dont think it would need to take Carlson along with Gorman and Libertore.. The Rockies have a pretty good young outfield and have prospects so i think if they would take Gorman Libertore Carpenter and say Hudson the deal would go through and i dont believe Arenado would opt out either.
    Yeah, no way does Arenado get Gorman, Liberatore AND Carlson, even if they pay cash by taking on Carpenter. Arenado is very, very valuable, but he is also very highly paid so his surplus value isn't astronomically high. Gorman, Liberatore and Carpenter sounds about fair, but Carlson is worth more than Arenado on his own.
    Baseballtradevalues has Arenado at about $30m surplus, Carlson is closer to $65m. Liberatore, Gorman and Carpenters negative come out at about the same $30m that Arenado is I think
    I just finished my first season with the Reds and am looking to trade away Senzel. Galvis had a solid year at the plate and I really like his glove at SS, so I extended his contract and it was hard finding at bats for Senzel in a crowded OF. With India coming on strong in the minors I feel like it is a good time to make a move. I know he still has some good value, but I may need some help figuring what he is truly worth.
    2020 stats : 350 AB, .262 BA, 13 HR, 36 RBI, 18 SB, 23 2B, .330 OBP, .458 SLG, .773 OPS, 1.2 WAR
    I am going to let Bauer walk, as he only had an average season for me and wants a good deal of money. That being said, I would like to land a solid SP in the Senzel deal if possible.
    I have considered a deal involving Manaea with the A's, Taillon with the Pirates (division rival, I know). Possibly even Clevinger from the Indians, as they had a down year and did not make the playoffs. I know it would take quite a bit to land him. I am open to just about anything that can help replace Bauer.
    Senzel is just a tough one to crack. Trade simulator has him at a value of 63.8, but that was for the start of the 2020 season, so that has obviously changed.
    joejoe0783
    Hi everybody! Hope everyone is staying safe & healthy! I was looking at some trade ideas for my Brewers franchise on Baseball Trade Values. I was looking at trading Hader to the Yankees or to the Red Sox.
    Yankees get Hader & the Brewers get Andujar, Frazier, D. Garcia & Happ or
    Red Sox get Hader & the Brewers get Chavis, Dalbec & Mata or the Red Sox get Hader & Ray & the Brewers get Benintendi & Chavis. I don't know if these trades would happen IRL, but for right now, I'm just looking for what's fair. Thanks!!
    Also thought of another trade with Lutz & Suter going on to the Padres & the Brewers get Mejia & Profar

    From the Yankees perspective, while Hader is an otherworldly RP, this is an overpay for a volatile position while simultaneously weakening their depth.
    Frazier is on the cusp of being in The Show permanently with Gardner going year-to-year contract-wise, the fragileness of Judge and Stanton, Hicks is coming back from TJ surgery, and who knows if Tauchman can replicate his 2019 season. The Yankees OF has lots of question marks regarding their health right now. If Hicks, Judge, and Stanton were all healthy, I'd entertain moving Frazier, but probably not for a RP.
    Andujar, I'm not sold on Gio Urshela being the good two-way player he was last year. Therefore, I want Andujar as an insurance policy. The kid can hit and was surprisingly decent in the limited time in the OF in spring training this year.
    Garcia, being a top 50-100 prospect depending on the publication, I don't want to give him up in a deal for a RP, regardless of how good they are unless I need to fill a need. The bullpen is not an area of need for the Yankees.
    Happ, in a perfect world he'd be the odd man out. However, IRL, with Severino and Paxton injured and German serving the remainder of his suspension, he's a valuable innings-eater at the back of the rotation. I can't see the Yankees parting with him right now unless some team vastly overpaid.
    Overall, if I were the Yankees, I would decline this trade. In a perfect world, I might entertain it, but this chips away at their depth while bolstering a portion of their roster which is already Top-3 in baseball — their bullpen.
    Would this trade make sense for both teams? I am the Braves and I want a front line starter to go with Soroka. It will make the team better earlier I think.
    Braves trade
    Dansby Swanson
    Max Fried
    Drew Waters
    Indians trade
    Francisco Lindor
    Mike Clevinger
    bryanm1982
    Would this trade make sense for both teams? I am the Braves and I want a front line starter to go with Soroka. It will make the team better earlier I think.
    Braves trade
    Dansby Swanson
    Max Fried
    Drew Waters
    Indians trade
    Francisco Lindor
    Mike Clevinger

    Max Fried isn't far off from front line starter material tbh. And I think the Indians would want far more to replace the face of their franchise and their ace. Probably need to throw Ian Anderson in that deal as well to even have the Indians consider that
    GR5Noles
    Max Fried isn't far off from front line starter material tbh. And I think the Indians would want far more to replace the face of their franchise and their ace. Probably need to throw Ian Anderson in that deal as well to even have the Indians consider that

    Yeah and that might be realistically too much for the Braves to give up. Since both of those players are getting expensive in arbitration. And Lindor would be a free agent after 2021.
    Hi All,
    Every year I do a 30 team control and do a full trade deadline by myself. I hate the unrealistic computer trades, I love the storylines and investment that this creates for myself. I've decided this year that I would like to get some feedback on some trades that I am considering making in my Orioles franchise, as I have just reached the ASB.
    This post is examining one trade in particular, I am considering moving Trevor Bauer to the Braves. Bauer has stated many times that he believes that he will sign a one-year deal each year for the rest of his career. Cincinnati, having a record of 42-52, is looking to get something in return as a cost from the deal they made last year. The Braves are 59-36 and 4.0 GB of the Nationals. The Nationals pitching staff has been incredible, their top 3 starters have sub 2 ERA's. The Braves staff has been average, but to compete in this division, they might need a little help. Here is the proposed trade:
    Braves get: Trevor Bauer (87 OVR, High B POT, MLB - 108.1 IP, 3.2 WAR, 3.74 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 2.57 FIP, 8.89 K/9, 3.07 BB/9, 0.33 HR/9)
    Reds get: Bryce Ball (64 OVR, Low B POT, AAA - .319/.395/.389, 21 G, 72 AB, 1 HR, 6 RBI's), Kyle Wright (66 OVR, High B POT, AAA - 79.1 IP, 4.08 ERA, 1.69 WHIP, 67 K, 49 BB, 8 HR), Jasseel De La Cruz (58 OVR, High C POT, AA - 71.0 IP, 3.17 ERA, 1.62 WHIP, 78 K, 39 BB, 5 HR)
    The advanced statistics tell way more of a story for Trevor than his ERA and WHIP suggest. He is pitching quite well, however, the market for a rental SP is awful right now. I believe with Kyle Wright's struggles this year, they would be willing to give him up for a nice change of scenery type deal.
    Let me know what you guys think! More to come soon.
    cubsgocontinental23
    Hi All,
    Every year I do a 30 team control and do a full trade deadline by myself. I hate the unrealistic computer trades, I love the storylines and investment that this creates for myself. I've decided this year that I would like to get some feedback on some trades that I am considering making in my Orioles franchise, as I have just reached the ASB.
    This post is examining one trade in particular, I am considering moving Trevor Bauer to the Braves. Bauer has stated many times that he believes that he will sign a one-year deal each year for the rest of his career. Cincinnati, having a record of 42-52, is looking to get something in return as a cost from the deal they made last year. The Braves are 59-36 and 4.0 GB of the Nationals. The Nationals pitching staff has been incredible, their top 3 starters have sub 2 ERA's. The Braves staff has been average, but to compete in this division, they might need a little help. Here is the proposed trade:
    Braves get: Trevor Bauer (87 OVR, High B POT, MLB - 108.1 IP, 3.2 WAR, 3.74 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 2.57 FIP, 8.89 K/9, 3.07 BB/9, 0.33 HR/9)
    Reds get: Bryce Ball (64 OVR, Low B POT, AAA - .319/.395/.389, 21 G, 72 AB, 1 HR, 6 RBI's), Kyle Wright (66 OVR, High B POT, AAA - 79.1 IP, 4.08 ERA, 1.69 WHIP, 67 K, 49 BB, 8 HR), Jasseel De La Cruz (58 OVR, High C POT, AA - 71.0 IP, 3.17 ERA, 1.62 WHIP, 78 K, 39 BB, 5 HR)
    The advanced statistics tell way more of a story for Trevor than his ERA and WHIP suggest. He is pitching quite well, however, the market for a rental SP is awful right now. I believe with Kyle Wright's struggles this year, they would be willing to give him up for a nice change of scenery type deal.
    Let me know what you guys think! More to come soon.

    It's an interesting move. I don't know if the Braves give up those 3 guys for a half-season of Bauer. Wright is a top 50 prospect and #4 for the Braves, while De La Cruz is a fringe top 10 guy. Then Bryce Ball is going to blow up here in the next few years...if he plays like he did last year, Ball will be a top 100 prospect without question and the Braves are extremely high on him as is. So I think maybe Wright and De La Cruz get it done, or at least Wright, De La Cruz, and flyer.
    GR5Noles
    It's an interesting move. I don't know if the Braves give up those 3 guys for a half-season of Bauer. Wright is a top 50 prospect and #4 for the Braves, while De La Cruz is a fringe top 10 guy. Then Bryce Ball is going to blow up here in the next few years...if he plays like he did last year, Ball will be a top 100 prospect without question and the Braves are extremely high on him as is. So I think maybe Wright and De La Cruz get it done, or at least Wright, De La Cruz, and flyer.

    I do believe that the Braves would not be willing to give up all 3 of those guys for a half-season of Bauer. I factored that in and came up with a new proposal. Due to Bauer pitching extremely well, as well as having a seller's market this deadline, I believe that both Wright and Ball should be included in the deal. I took De La Cruz out. I would love to hear your thoughts on my new proposal.
    Braves get: Trevor Bauer, Pedro Strop (MLB - 23.2 IP, 8.37 ERA, 1.77 WHIP, 6.17 FIP, 8.37 K/9, 6.85 BB/9, 1.90 HR/9)
    Reds get: Kyle Wright, Bryce Ball, Nolan Kingham (23 YO, 63 OVR, Low C POT, AA - 79.1 IP, 5.45 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 56 K, 30 BB)
    Strop has been hurt all year and pitching in the minors for a bit could get him right on track to help out this Braves bullpen later in the season. Kingham is a flyer for the Braves to even this deal out.
    cubsgocontinental23
    I do believe that the Braves would not be willing to give up all 3 of those guys for a half-season of Bauer. I factored that in and came up with a new proposal. Due to Bauer pitching extremely well, as well as having a seller's market this deadline, I believe that both Wright and Ball should be included in the deal. I took De La Cruz out. I would love to hear your thoughts on my new proposal.
    Braves get: Trevor Bauer, Pedro Strop (MLB - 23.2 IP, 8.37 ERA, 1.77 WHIP, 6.17 FIP, 8.37 K/9, 6.85 BB/9, 1.90 HR/9)
    Reds get: Kyle Wright, Bryce Ball, Nolan Kingham (23 YO, 63 OVR, Low C POT, AA - 79.1 IP, 5.45 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, 56 K, 30 BB)
    Strop has been hurt all year and pitching in the minors for a bit could get him right on track to help out this Braves bullpen later in the season. Kingham is a flyer for the Braves to even this deal out.

    Honestly, it kind of reminds me of the David Price to Toronto trade which, as a Jays fan, I'd do again in a heart beat.
    jdmsi7
    Playing as Boston, who would some realistic first base targets be as an upgrade over Moreland?
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

    It depends on what you’re looking for. Honestly, unless you’re in a winning situation right now, you have Dalbec ready to go and Casas on his way up plus depending on how you use him as of right now, Chavis is capable.
    Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
    Saw this trade and it really piqued my interest. I wanted to see what other people thought:
    Braves Get: Trevor Story
    Rockies Get: William Contreras, Bryse Wilson, Braden Shewmake.
    This trade would have to leave to another trade to ship off Swanson, but what about the initial move for Story?
    GR5Noles
    Saw this trade and it really piqued my interest. I wanted to see what other people thought:
    Braves Get: Trevor Story
    Rockies Get: William Contreras, Bryse Wilson, Braden Shewmake.
    This trade would have to leave to another trade to ship off Swanson, but what about the initial move for Story?

    I don't believe there's a good enough headliner in the deal. Generally speaking, the best prospect in the deal should be equal to or greater than 50% of the value of the MLB guy. That's why the high end MLB guys require elite prospects in trade.
    If Story is worth $60 million, then the leading prospect in the trade needs to carry at least $30 million. Most teams try to get Quality over Quantity.
    On the Fangraphs list you offered up the #5, #6 & #9 Braves prospects for one of the elite young SS in MLB. I think to make it work you likely need to frame the trade more like Ian Anderson + Austin Jackson if you want to stay with a Catcher and Shewmake.
    GamecocksLaw17
    I don't believe there's a good enough headliner in the deal. Generally speaking, the best prospect in the deal should be equal to or greater than 50% of the value of the MLB guy. That's why the high end MLB guys require elite prospects in trade.
    If Story is worth $60 million, then the leading prospect in the trade needs to carry at least $30 million. Most teams try to get Quality over Quantity.
    On the Fangraphs list you offered up the #5, #6 & #9 Braves prospects for one of the elite young SS in MLB. I think to make it work you likely need to frame the trade more like Ian Anderson + Austin Jackson if you want to stay with a Catcher and Shewmake.

    Yeah that trade was actually one of mine from baseballtradevalues and it was only like that as I had a specific idea in mind as to what I wanted in return (younger bats, MLB ready arms) and had other trades in mind (trying to get a lot of MLB ready 45/50 grade pitchers to throw at the wall and see what sticks at Coors).
    In reality it wasn't really a trade designed to be realistic on it's own and without a larger plan behind it. As you say, a more glitzy headliner would be needed, preferably one closer to being ready
    Trying to figure out a Grichuk trade. He doesn't fit with my long term plans, and his contract is very meh.
    Surplus value: -$18 mil
    I'm definitely willing to make an exchange of bad contracts, and I'd ideally get back a reliever who doesn't have as much term.
    First thoughts were to the Mets for Familia (-$15.9), and I'd throw in someone like Patrick Murphy (so/so upside, $2.5 mil), but I'd be worried that the Mets wouldn't really want the extra outfield (though Brodie is kind of a weirdo).
    Also, considered the Giants. They don't have many guys locked up, and have little to no offence. My thought was:
    SF: Samardzija (-$11.9)
    TOR: Grichuk (-18)+ Murphy (2.5)+Sean Reid Foley ($4.7)
    =-$11.9
    Any thoughts? Or are there any other teams that could be looking for an average OF with pop? Other teams that I'd think might be looking include:
    -Mariners
    -Cubs?
    -Phillies
    -Rangers
    -Tigers
    -Royals (Maybe Danny Duffy coming back?)
    kinsmen7
    Trying to figure out a Grichuk trade. He doesn't fit with my long term plans, and his contract is very meh.
    Surplus value: -$18 mil
    I'm definitely willing to make an exchange of bad contracts, and I'd ideally get back a reliever who doesn't have as much term.
    First thoughts were to the Mets for Familia (-$15.9), and I'd throw in someone like Patrick Murphy (so/so upside, $2.5 mil), but I'd be worried that the Mets wouldn't really want the extra outfield (though Brodie is kind of a weirdo).
    Also, considered the Giants. They don't have many guys locked up, and have little to no offence. My thought was:
    SF: Samardzija (-$11.9)
    TOR: Grichuk (-18)+ Murphy (2.5)+Sean Reid Foley ($4.7)
    =-$11.9
    Any thoughts? Or are there any other teams that could be looking for an average OF with pop? Other teams that I'd think might be looking include:
    -Mariners
    -Cubs?
    -Phillies
    -Rangers
    -Tigers
    -Royals (Maybe Danny Duffy coming back?)

    Rangers wouldn't be a match. They'll be content with Calhoun, Taveras (in the future) & Gallo in the outfield.
    Mattchu12
    Is there a Clevenger to Yankees trade that makes sense?

    It's a tough one as if Cleveland are trading Clevinger it means they are going full rebuild, so the Yankees more valuable disposable assets (Frazier and Andujar) become pretty worthless to them. So it would mean giving up more of the Yankees super promising, incredibly young guys than they or you are probably comfortable with. The Yankees don't really have enough quality in the higher minors, you'd have to almost empty the farm, before it's really as valuable as it looks to be in a year or two. A shorter term option for a year or two, then a trade when those wunderkinds are more valuable seems a bit more doable imo.
    You'd be looking at Dominguez, Garcia plus another top 5 prospect, which is an incredibly steep price.
    I was thinking about trading Hader to the Red Sox for Chavis, Delbec, Groome & either Workman or D. Hernandez. Also trade for Mejia & Profar for Suter, Ray, Feliciano & E. Garcia or Lutz & Suter for Mejia & Profar
    Mattchu12
    Is there a Clevenger to Yankees trade that makes sense?

    If I am the Indians, I wouldn't let the Yankees have Clevenger without receiving Jasson Dominguez and Deivi Garcia both in return. Then you'd likely still need to add someone like Estevan Florial since his shine has dropped but the Indians need OF help.
    BigOscar
    It's a tough one as if Cleveland are trading Clevinger it means they are going full rebuild, so the Yankees more valuable disposable assets (Frazier and Andujar) become pretty worthless to them. So it would mean giving up more of the Yankees super promising, incredibly young guys than they or you are probably comfortable with. The Yankees don't really have enough quality in the higher minors, you'd have to almost empty the farm, before it's really as valuable as it looks to be in a year or two. A shorter term option for a year or two, then a trade when those wunderkinds are more valuable seems a bit more doable imo.
    You'd be looking at Dominguez, Garcia plus another top 5 prospect, which is an incredibly steep price.

    GamecocksLaw17
    If I am the Indians, I wouldn't let the Yankees have Clevenger without receiving Jasson Dominguez and Deivi Garcia both in return. Then you'd likely still need to add someone like Estevan Florial since his shine has dropped but the Indians need OF help.

    I agree with both of you on the return, appreciate it, fellas.
    Hey all wondering what John Means value is at this point and some potential landing spots that make sense. Doing and Orioles Rebuild and going to trade anything worth value away to start for prospects they are so many players away that one or two guys with value wont help now is my thinking. Any potential trades for other pieces would be much appreciated as well.
    Kahler77
    Hey all wondering what John Means value is at this point and some potential landing spots that make sense. Doing and Orioles Rebuild and going to trade anything worth value away to start for prospects they are so many players away that one or two guys with value wont help now is my thinking. Any potential trades for other pieces would be much appreciated as well.

    Why trade him? He’s only 26.
    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

More in MLB The Show 20

Poll

Recent Forum Threads


Top Esports News

Related

To Top