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They all look absolutely on point. Well done on those.
Yeah, they really look great, wow.
EDIT: These are their press-conference, weigh-in kind of looks though, so how will they look in the cage? I suppose still as good, probably the hairstyle would be the only difference.
Yeah, they're all really good, only minor nitpicks to make like McMann not being jacked enough
EDIT: These are their press-conference, weigh-in kind of looks though, so how will they look in the cage? I suppose still as good, probably the hairstyle would be the only difference.
I would assume some have it braided back and some have it up, no one does much else.
I wonder if they'll have neat hair physics this time around.
I wonder if they'll have neat hair physics this time around.
They also will probably not have lipstick on, because many of them have lipstick in the BW Division now that I'm looking at them :) . And make-up.
Excuse me? like they do here?
They look fine too me. I have no big complaints, I think they did a good job on them. This isn't there fight day look, it's how they'll look in career mode in pressers and weigh-ins.
Those aren't their fighter hairstyles. In a surprising level of detail compared to the rest of the game, they actually gave the women two separate hairstyles. One for fighting and one for cosmetic purposes (though I hope at least some of them will be available to fight with). I applaud this from my role as one of the top 5 "little things" bitcher guys.
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What guy? Dolce?
She finished sara mcmann, knocked out clean bethe correira and alexis davis was even with tate in striking exchanges. Some how the girls she beat striking got 86 86 87.
her power should be high if everything else is low.
She finished sara mcmann, knocked out clean bethe correira and alexis davis was even with tate in striking exchanges. Some how the girls she beat striking got 86 86 87.
her power should be high if everything else is low.
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Whatever is involved in that 84 rating is likely pretty accurate.
Whatever is involved in that 84 rating is likely pretty accurate.
Legitimately amazing, how can you shadow box so poorly? It's actually impressive.
Whatever is involved in that 84 rating is likely pretty accurate.
Look at her face as she’s doing it. She’s trying so hard to shadow box. Classic.
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There you go. This further proves my point. Just like you can tell how bad Ronda is in those gifs by watching her, you can also see how good someone is by watching them. That's why it's called martial arts. Just like art, it must be seen to judge the quality of it!
Cynthia Calvillo is gunna be my go to fighter in the strawweight division.
Do the two division mix in event mode?
Can anyone spill some beans on how the classes mix in event mode?
I guess an Xbox'er could let us know next Thu.
Wow, maybe it was mentioned when talking about in-game money, but are we actually buying clothes and things like that for our fighters in career mode?
Wasn't Jéssica throwing Cláudia around like a sack of potatoes? She was tomoe-nage-ing her by the leg.
I don't agree with much of this. Andrade out grappled Claudia G of all people...manhandled her on many occasions during that fight.
Grasso does have good grappling but she's not going to have a great Top Game, Takedowns and possibly avg Clinch Grapple which is all in the Grapple ratings.
Ronda still has poor stand up...
Striking ratings also hold Head Movement, Footwork, Blocking, Accuracy and Switch Stance attributes within them...she definitely should have low ratings in almost all of those. McMann is likely up on blocking while Bethe has to have some kind of decent boxing-friendly ratings with her boxing background although it's that good.
Did she?!? Becuase Claudia almost had her in guillotine, Jessica clearly showed an superior takedown defence and striking and was GnP her on top after successfull takedown defense, but never saw her outgrappling Claudia.
Guillotine wasn't that close
EDIT: These are their press-conference, weigh-in kind of looks though, so how will they look in the cage? I suppose still as good, probably the hairstyle would be the only difference.
They will look the same but without makeup.
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I just watched the fight a few days ago, she ragdolled her.
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Same hair?
See, that 2nd gif has Cláudia winning the scramble post slam, coming up into front headlock, not super illustrative of her getting ragdolled IMO (which is what happened to be clear)
I agree with the ronda bit, the 3 girls she beat by KO/tko has better striking than her, but gadelha might have better bjj than andrade but andrade defo the better wrestler. she manhandled gadelha.
Grasso does have good grappling but she's not going to have a great Top Game, Takedowns and possibly avg Clinch Grapple which is all in the Grapple ratings.
Ronda still has poor stand up...
Striking ratings also hold Head Movement, Footwork, Blocking, Accuracy and Switch Stance attributes within them...she definitely should have low ratings in almost all of those. McMann is likely up on blocking while Bethe has to have some kind of decent boxing-friendly ratings with her boxing background although it's that good.
Never said Ronda had any good striking and clearly doesn't make sense how someone like Bethe Correria has three points better in striking despite striking rating involving many different aspects. Never also insisted that Grasso is worldclass grappler, just the fact that her grappling ratings is underrated in comparison to some other girls in the roster.
Struve KOed Stipe, but he's obviously not the better striker. Bethe stood there and just wildly swung against Rousey not using any of the little technique she does have lol. This also doesn't mean Rousey is a better striker as well. Bethe does actually have some boxing background although it's not the best, but once again, people are putting WAY too much into overalls without thinking about what is all involved in the overall. RR does not have head movement and footwork or any of the other things involved in having a higher striking rating, period.
Just becuase she clearly is physically stronger fighter than Claudia (dropping down from bantamweight) and showing superior wrestling takedowns by ragdolling her on occasions doesn't mean she's an better overall grappler than Claudia nor does it justify her 93 rating.
Also how the hell do you find these gifs so quickly. Please tell me?
She's still below Claudia.
She's not just a brawler, it's pretty much her next best weapon when the stand up isn't going her way. I'm not mad about the high rating at all.
LOL just googling the name or names if I recall the specific fight with "gif". Google's become quite gif friendly lately.
Being knocked out, the way she was on homefield against someone like Rondas striking repertoar means you don't have a good striking. If i recall Ronda before knocking her out was basically out jabbing her. Still 3 points is a bit off. Struve might not have a better striking than Miocic, but his striking is no joke, he's from the Netherlands (the capital of kickboxers), besides his training partner is Mousasi.
I did this in another thread for Woodley earlier, but let's talk through the grappling stats. If I miss one I apologise.
Clinch control- Andrade is pretty good
Clinch striking power-Also pretty good
Takedown offense-very good
Takedown defense-very good
Top game-very good
bottom-pretty good
sub offense-pretty good
sub offense-relatively bad
93 seems totally reasonable for all that to me. If you disagree with my assessment of Andrade's game, or think the people who did the ratings were unfair to Cláudia, then fair enough, but 93 is a totally reasonable overall grappling rating for Andrade.
Oh sorry about that, didn't see quite well lol.
Clinch control- Andrade is pretty good
Clinch striking power-Also pretty good
Takedown offense-very good
Takedown defense-very good
Top game-very good
bottom-pretty good
sub offense-pretty good
sub offense-relatively bad
93 seems totally reasonable for all that to me. If you disagree with my assessment of Andrade's game, or think the people who did the ratings were unfair to Cláudia, then fair enough, but 93 is a totally reasonable overall grappling rating for Andrade.
Nah fair enough, you made absolute sense.:y1:
google images!
But Rousey may very well have more power than Bethe...maybe, and that would be about all she may realistically have over her. But I'd take it that Bethe's chin may not be too high either. So hypothetically, we could likely still capture that moment in game more times than not.
Kinda of on a sidenote I've always said the division was pretty weak on strikers (esp now with most of them going to other weight classes). And apparently EA agrees lol. Not a lot of striking ratings over 87 and technically only Nunes & Shevchenko remain as the BWs with good striking. They need more good legit strikers badly irl.
Me to, she's my nr 1 whishlist in SW of missing fighters. I really hope they add a couple in Bantamweight aswell, that roster is literally the exact same as the last iteration and even under 20. It's not as fun as to play it on Goat mode.
Not sure. I’ve just heard that there is a press conference/weighin imodel and a fighting model.
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Fair enough, most them fight with cornrows like, probably not too hard to put in if they haven't. Would be weird seeing JJ with flowing locks while lighting people up in the cage.
I like Cortney Casey as well.
Kinda of on a sidenote I've always said the division was pretty weak on strikers (esp now with most of them going to other weight classes). And apparently EA agrees lol. Not a lot of striking ratings over 87 and technically only Nunes & Shevchenko remain as the BWs with good striking. They need more good legit strikers badly irl.
Women's striking is generally weaker in terms of quality. Like, Holly Holm became a successful championship boxer spending her whole career with Winkeljohn, a kickboxing coach. That should really tell you all you need to know, like, you don't see Henri Hooft or Duane Ludwig putting out high level male boxers or anything.
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See, I don't even know that the split between the people who are legitimate world class strikers is that big between the divisions. SW has JJ, and Rose I guess, FLW will have Shevchenko and BW has Holly Holm and De Randamie and Nunes I guess. Seems pretty evenly split to me. If you mean that the grapplers at SW are better strikers than their counterparts at BW, then I agree though.
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Ah okay, fair enough. I don't why I was thinking world class tbh, you're right. BW is a fairly weak division in general, it's basically the female equivalent of LHW or HW
In this case I think this is due to the perception (and basically meme) that Ronda is the worst striker on the planet. Her stats are worse than all the girls she KO'd. Her striking is obviously subpar but yeah... seems a bit excessive. What do you guys think? I don't think it's too far off but seems a bit far to me.
In this case I think this is due to the perception (and basically meme) that Ronda is the worst striker on the planet. Her stats are worse than all the girls she KO'd. Her striking is obviously subpar but yeah... seems a bit excessive. What do you guys think? I don't think it's too far off but seems a bit far to me.
yh it seems weird to me it should be 86 at least, the girls she knocked out cold has higher striking than her. when do we ever see clean KOs from the womens divison????? Her power should be up their with the best but her actual technique is bad.
In this case I think this is due to the perception (and basically meme) that Ronda is the worst striker on the planet. Her stats are worse than all the girls she KO'd. Her striking is obviously subpar but yeah... seems a bit excessive. What do you guys think? I don't think it's too far off but seems a bit far to me.
Correia is over her because she has a much higher switch stance. Ronda also has a very low head movement stat which makes sense since she doesnt move her head. Thats it.
The Alexis Davis KO was a GNP KO so that wont effect her striking stats.
The McMann stat was a early stoppage and if anything maybe you give her a high move level on knees.
Ronda has a decent power stat and better power than everyone she KOd.
The people with better power are Nunes, Schevencenko, Holm, Cyborg and GDR.
I'd argue against anyone who thinks she has better power than any of those 5.
The Alexis Davis KO was a GNP KO so that wont effect her striking stats.
The McMann stat was a early stoppage and if anything maybe you give her a high move level on knees.
Ronda has a decent power stat and better power than everyone she KOd.
That makes sense I guess. And yeah, I figured she'd have like the lowest head movement stat lol. Kinda the meme thing. Thing is with that is it's not like McMann or Bethe has much head movement to speak of either.
How you've explained it is fair but I still think it's maybe a little excessive personally. But it's not too bad and all the individual stats would have to be looked at to make the most sense of it. I'm not mad at it. Just wanted to open it up for discussion.
You're doing it again, aren't ya? You mean mean boy. :nono:
BTW, I thought their fight was competitive.
https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/ufc/ufc-3/fighter-roster-ratings/womens-bantamweight
And if you mean one OVR stat for all the attributes, I'd recommend you shed your curiosity, as it would be even more lisleading than those 4 category OVRs. If you're still curious, you could calculated them yourself, by the average of those categories. It'd be super-duper misleading, though.
BTW, I thought their fight was competitive.
I know I'm doing it again, and I'm really trying not to talk about them unless it makes literally no sense to me (like this one). I don't understand how 1 fighter being faster, having better footwork, better accuracy and better defense and ever so slightly less power equates to a single overall point difference.
And getting outstruck 171 to 50(half of KK's strikes were in the 4th btw) in terms of significant strikes seems pretty one-sided to me. I even think there's a pretty good argument for Joanna winning the round she got rocked in. It's one of those fights that everyone remembers being more competitive than it was, because Karolina had the one big moment in a fight she lost every other second of.
Besides power, what does Cyborg have that's significantly better than her that's within the Striking rating below?
"Overall Striking rating is determined by a fighter's strike speed, power, accuracy, footwork, head movement, blocking and switch stance which controls striking power differential in your opposite stance."
People have been complaining about Madden's overall giving certain players ratings they don't deserve just so they have that high overall. Now people are begging for skewed ratings lol. You have to look into what's actually distributed in those overalls first and then decided if it's an issue. But I don't see Cyborg having much over Karolina in striking besides power.
"Overall Striking rating is determined by a fighter's strike speed, power, accuracy, footwork, head movement, blocking and switch stance which controls striking power differential in your opposite stance."
People have been complaining about Madden's overall giving certain players ratings they don't deserve just so they have that high overall. Now people are begging for skewed ratings lol. You have to look into what's actually distributed in those overalls first and then decided if it's an issue. But I don't see Cyborg having much over Karolina in striking besides power.
I'd personally rate Cyborg better in most of those, she's better defensively, has significantly better pressure footwork, is more accurate and more powerful, probably faster relative to her division too. I think Karolina is pretty seriously overrated by a lot of people, she basically just marches forward throwing 1-2s and that's about it.
Cyborg has the power, accuracy & blocking, but footwork is basically just overall movement not pushing forward is it? I'm not a Karolina fan, but she's going to likely have the edge out on everything else.
To be clear, I think 92 is right for Cyborg, I just think 93 is kinda ridiculous for Karolina. And I specified pressure footwork because neither of them back up well.
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The problem with this discussion is you guys are comparing people across weight classes when thats not how the fighters were rated.
To be fair, I only started doing that when someone else brought it up. I think Karolina is overrated compared to other strawweights haha
KK's OVR is a result of her switch stance rating. She is equal to JJ and 13-14 points higher than most people in her division.
I'm not sure I agree with her even having a good switch stat. Or Joanna having a good one for that matter. Even ignoring that, I don't see how someone with mediocre footwork, who's poor defensively and average in terms of accuracy and not very fast or powerful ends up with such a high striking rating. I just don't see it at all.
I just thought her fight with Joanna was a good way to frame it because barring the one good strike she landed, that fight was not close at all. Like, obviously if you disagree with me about Karolina's game, we're going to disagree about the stats, but I just don't see how someone can rate her so that her stats average out at 93.
Edit: In comparison EA 2 had 26 of 85 fights after release in a similar time frame. Nearly 32% and almost twice what 3 does.
I just thought her fight with Joanna was a good way to frame it because barring the one good strike she landed, that fight was not close at all. Like, obviously if you disagree with me about Karolina's game, we're going to disagree about the stats, but I just don't see how someone can rate her so that her stats average out at 93.
Her strike rating is a 91 if you give her an 80 in SS. You get a higher SS rating if you switch stances regularly and KK does do that.
I disagree with you when it comes to her as a striker. I think she's a better striker than Andrade (not accurate but has more power than KK) and Gadelha. Rose is an argument that can be made but we didnt Rose's stats before the JJ/Rose fight. I'm good with a 91 when you dont consider SS stats.
I disagree with you when it comes to her as a striker. I think she's a better striker than Andrade (not accurate but has more power than KK) and Gadelha. Rose is an argument that can be made but we didnt Rose's stats before the JJ/Rose fight. I'm good with a 91 when you dont consider SS stats.
I don't think she's better than Rose, Andrade or Gadelha. She was losing pretty cleanly to Rose before Rose broke mentally, Andrade is significantly more accurate than her from a statistical perspective and just as good defensively and the striking was fairly even while her fight with Gadelha lasted. I also don't remember her switching effectively, but I haven't watched her fight in a while.
I don't think this is something that we're going to agree on, I think she's a mediocre striker with limited footwork, legitimately bad head movement and defence as well as poor accuracy. I can't see how someone with 3-4 bad to average stats (in my estimation) averages at a 91 (ignoring switch stance) when JJ is a 92 with far better footwork, defence and accuracy. I just don't see how you end up with ratings that close for those 2 fighters.
I don't think this is something that we're going to agree on, I think she's a mediocre striker with limited footwork, legitimately bad head movement and defence as well as poor accuracy. I can't see how someone with 3-4 bad to average stats (in my estimation) averages at a 91 (ignoring switch stance) when JJ is a 92 with far better footwork, defence and accuracy. I just don't see how you end up with ratings that close for those 2 fighters.
Yeah we arent going to agree on that. I just watched the Rose fight before I wrote my previous post. Her footwork was on par with Rose's that entire fight.
Andrade isnt significantly more accurate. In her last 3 fights Andrade has landed 30% of her standing strikes. KK has landed 27%. KK also threw significantly more strikes during those fights and those fights include the Gadelha one which was fast. Her stats were actually significantly better in her first 3 fights.
Stats also show that she has better defense than Andrade so if she has poor D, Andrade has really poor D.
Andrade isnt significantly more accurate. In her last 3 fights Andrade has landed 30% of her standing strikes. KK has landed 27%. KK also threw significantly more strikes during those fights and those fights include the Gadelha one which was fast. Her stats were actually significantly better in her first 3 fights.
Stats also show that she has better defense than Andrade so if she has poor D, Andrade has really poor D.
Maybe I was off on the accuracy comparison (I just looked at the total strikes percentage), but their defence is similar and both bad, it's only a 4% difference, nothing huge, but not good.
And I watched the first round of the Rose fight, it's not good, she constantly breaks her stance when she's moving in to throw and squares up in exchanges. She moves well on the outside, but a lot of her footwork is pretty bad.
But, I'm going to drop it now, since we're clearly not going to come an agreement.
Was it like this in EA UFC 2?
Seems like a HUGE waste of time, and resources, considering how many other fighters we are missing, and how outdated many of the other fighter models are.
Very strange decision IMO.
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Also, if it's so easy to just swap roster fighters hair styles, then why do we still have so many outdated hairstyles like Porier with a shaved head, Ortega with short hair, Tim Elliot with cornrows, Nick lentz with cornrows, Buzz cut + bearded Jones, Vitor with a crazy mowhawk, etc, etc, etc???
Was it like this in EA UFC 2?
Seems like a HUGE waste of time, and resources, considering how many other fighters we are missing, and how outdated many of the other fighter models are.
Very strange decision IMO.
To be fair, changing the hair on a model probably takes astronomically less time than making a new one. And if they wanted to add press conferences/weigh ins and stuff, it would have looked weird for everyone to have cornrows at them.
No idea why they didn't just do it for Poirier et al though
You responded before my edit.
if that is the case....
......If it's so easy to just swap roster fighters hair styles, then why do we still have so many outdated hairstyles like Porier with a shaved head, Ortega with short hair, Tim Elliot with cornrows, Nick lentz with cornrows, Buzz cut + bearded Jones, Vitor with a crazy mowhawk, etc, etc, etc???
Was it like this in EA UFC 2?
Seems like a HUGE waste of time, and resources, considering how many other fighters we are missing, and how outdated many of the other fighter models are.
Very strange decision IMO.
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Also, if it's so easy to just swap roster fighters hair styles, then why do we still have so many outdated hairstyles like Porier with a shaved head, Ortega with short hair, Tim Elliot with cornrows, Nick lentz with cornrows, Buzz cut + bearded Jones, Vitor with a crazy mowhawk, etc, etc, etc???
Career mode.
It would be weird if female fighters looked how they look in the cage during press conferences and weighins.
if that is the case....
Also, if it's so easy to just swap roster fighters hair styles, then why do we still have so many outdated hairstyles like Porier with a shaved head, Ortega with short hair, Tim Elliot with cornrows, Nick lentz with cornrows, Buzz cut + bearded Jones, Vitor with a crazy mowhawk, etc, etc, etc???
You responded before my edit hahaha
It would be weird if female fighters looked how they look in the cage during press conferences and weighins.
No it wouldnt. No one would care.
I can almost certainly guarantee we would all rather have up to date character models for the entire roster than having women with their hair down and make up on...........
Ill ask it again,
......If it's so easy to just swap roster fighters hair styles, then why do we still have so many outdated hairstyles like Porier with a shaved head, Ortega with short hair, Tim Elliot with cornrows, Nick lentz with cornrows, Buzz cut + bearded Jones, Vitor with a crazy mowhawk, etc, etc, etc???
I can almost certainly guarantee we would all rather have up to date character models for the entire roster than having women with their hair down and make up on...........
I'd care, it'd be weird. Same way it'll be weird if the dudes with cornrows (Faber) have them cornrow'd at weigh ins/press conferences.
Obviously, if the choice was have this slightly weird thing at weigh ins and everyone has perfect in fight models, or get rid of the weird thing of weigh ins and have imperfect fighter models, I'd choose the first option every time. I just really doubt it was such a binary thing.
I can almost certainly guarantee we would all rather have up to date character models for the entire roster than having women with their hair down and make up on...........
Ill ask it again,
......If it's so easy to just swap roster fighters hair styles, then why do we still have so many outdated hairstyles like Porier with a shaved head, Ortega with short hair, Tim Elliot with cornrows, Nick lentz with cornrows, Buzz cut + bearded Jones, Vitor with a crazy mowhawk, etc, etc, etc???
Just because you dont care doesnt mean everyone wouldnt care.
If anything, Ronda Rousey looking like octagon ready Rousey at a press conferences would stand out much more to reviewers than ****ing Tim Elliott having cornrows.
To answer your question....its not easy.
We have short memories here. In UFC 2, it took 4 months to change Nate Diaz shorts. His ****ing shorts. Why? Because the way the models were made was that the shorts were a part of the model and not just an add on. Same thing as hair. So its not easy or quick.
If anything, Ronda Rousey looking like octagon ready Rousey at a press conferences would stand out much more to reviewers than ****ing Tim Elliott having cornrows.
To answer your question....its not easy.
We have short memories here. In UFC 2, it took 4 months to change Nate Diaz shorts. His ****ing shorts. Why? Because the way the models were made was that the shorts were a part of the model and not just an add on. Same thing as hair. So its not easy or quick.
So youre saying it takes a ton of work, effort, time, and resources to make these separate models for every single woman fighter?
Yet ~25% of the rest of the roster still has 4 year old outdated character models...
Crazy waste a resources IMO.
Just crazy.
At the end of the day, it's just my opinion.
Tim Elliott hasnt had cornrows in like 5 years. That's just stupid.
Yet ~25% of the rest of the roster still has 4 year old outdated character models...
Crazy waste a resources IMO.
Just crazy.
At the end of the day, it's just my opinion.
Tim Elliott hasnt had cornrows in like 5 years. That's just stupid.
I'm saying it takes a ton of time to make ANY change to ANY fighter in this game. We all know that.
Now its fair to question whether the women fighters is the best use of those resources. I dont have that big of an issue with it but thats fine if you disagree.
I dont get caught up with that **** because hair can change in a minute. Dustin could shave his head tomorrow and then the community is demanding to go back to the old model. If someone's body type is off...fix that because that is less likely to change. Tattoos? Sure. But hair? I'm less concerned with that. Doesnt mean you cant be though.
I have no idea if the creation of two women models kept Poirier's hair from being updated or Elliott's hair. It couldve been new fighters they created or the fighters they did update like Nick Diaz or Alvarez.
The lack of CAF options in EAUFC2 was inexcusable for the sheer fact that some hairs were in the game but not selectable. Why in gods name couldn't I use some of the female hairs for my male CAF and vice versa? It's just long braided hair ffs, not girly locks. They literally just had to program a link to the object that was already in the game's source. Why EA, why? :brickwall
Add to that the fact that suddenly my imported face pictures stopped working after a patch and I was left with the same face on all my CaF's. Hair goes a long way for diversity if most faces and bodies look exactly the same on my opponents in career. I'll probably play more with the actual UFC fighters, but a CaF mode should be standard nowadays, especially with a CaF-forced career. I can live with there being no extra body models (I'm quite sure there won't be based on my beta experience).
Now I don't want to rip on the devs, but you made the effort of making career-movie-hair for the engine (I assume that's what it is for: for use during the promo segments), which I appreciate. But if you make it, just make it selectable. If it causes too many clipping issues then just restrict the movement. I might not look good but at least there's some diversity.
As for the actual stats. I have to respectfully disagree about a lot of them, but I honestly don't care that much. This is not really a sim imo, and you have to put playability first, so everyone must have some basic skills at the very least.