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EA Sports PGA TOUR to Exclusively Have All Four Majors

EA Sports PGA TOUR will feature all four of golf’s major championships. The historic Masters Tournament at Augusta National Golf Club, PGA Championship, U.S. Open Championship, and The Open Championship will be exclusive to the game.

Fred Ridley, Chairman of Augusta National Golf Club and the Masters Tournament, unveiled the new cover of EA Sports PGA TOUR today, during his annual 2021 Masters Tournament press conference.

While an official release date wasn’t revealed, he did mention EA Sports PGA TOUR is scheduled to release ahead of the Masters tournament in 2022. EA plans to reveal more details about the next-gen golf game, which is currently under development, in the upcoming weeks. An official launch date will be announced in the coming months ahead.

In close collaboration with Augusta National, EA SPORTS has worked meticulously to capture the course and traditions of the Masters. Inspired by Augusta National’s own mission of innovation and improvement, EA SPORTS employed first of its kind aerial scanning to collect millions of data points, previously inaccessible in golf games, to recreate the unparalleled beauty of Augusta National authentically in the game. At launch, the game’s exciting ‘Road to the Masters’ content will deliver players the prestige of competing in the Masters Tournament, plus additional experiences exclusive to Augusta National.

In EA Sports PGA TOUR, golf fans will be able to build their virtual career and experience the sights, sounds, and thrills of the PGA TOUR including THE PLAYERS Championship, FedExCup Playoffs and more unforgettable events. The game will also feature many of the world’s most famous courses, where fans will have the option to play against and as some of the biggest names in professional golf. (Yup, that’s a dig at 2K…)

Golf fans can live out a legendary career as they authentically compete at THE PLAYERS Championship, FedExCup Playoffs, and strive to complete a career grand slam, while experiencing the unique atmosphere and venues of each tournament. More information about each major championship will be revealed this summer.

EA Sports PGA TOUR will be built on the EA Frostbite engine, leveraging next-gen technology, promising stunning fidelity, breathtaking immersive environments, and approachable, dynamic gameplay.

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  1. We must’ve seen the tweet at the exact same time lol. This is insane!! Augusta with frostbite and next gen graphics!!! Also like the fact they’re not doing a player on the cover. Road to the masters to indicates they’re will be some sort of campaign.
    bmf395
    This is awesome, but also annoying that EA has to consistently do this "exclusive" crap.

    What’d you expect? This is how competition works. We win in the end.
    bmf395
    This is awesome, but also annoying that EA has to consistently do this "exclusive" crap.

    The Masters would never do anything except an exclusive deal. In the press conference today he said multiple times how important it is to protect their brand. This isn’t on EA.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    2K also does exclusive deals when necessary - I mean, they just signed an exclusive deal with Tiger Woods...

    Also annoying.
    bmf395
    We do? A win would be in both games.

    While that would be amazing, it's simply not how these things work - both from a business perspective and Augusta's brand/image perspective.
    And, to be honest, having The Masters/Augusta in even just one game is a pretty huge win.
    bmf395
    We do? A win would be in both games.

    Bad exclusivity is if it were for a counsel over another. This is good. You can buy both if you want too.
    https://www.ea.com/games/pga-tour
    A tradition unlike any other.
    The Masters.
    Only in EA SPORTS PGA TOUR, featuring a cover as breathtaking as the azaleas of Augusta National. EA SPORTS PGA TOUR is the exclusive home of all four majors including the Masters Tournament, the PGA Championship, U.S. Open Championship, and The Open Championship.
    Steve_OS
    https://www.ea.com/games/pga-tour
    A tradition unlike any other.
    The Masters.
    Only in EA SPORTS PGA TOUR, featuring a cover as breathtaking as the azaleas of Augusta National. EA SPORTS PGA TOUR is the exclusive home of all four majors including the Masters Tournament, the PGA Championship, U.S. Open Championship, and The Open Championship.

    Welp.. Ball game!!!
    Told you... Royal Melbourne and St. Andrews are going to be in the game too as exclusive to EA. Just follow the XXXXXX on the 2K/HB game. What it means for the course creator at HB if users keeps replicating them, I don't know. They're copyright courses.
    krtgolfing
    Welp.. Ball game!!!
    Damn, that sucks for Take - Two/2K and they'll need to make huge leaps to compete with that announcement.
    Official HQ of Bills Backer/Spurs Nation
    jbd345
    All 3 where also in Rory. Wouldn’t count a victory just yet. And that was as bare bones as you can get.

    This is very true, but the lousy career mode in 2K21 has me looking forward to a place I can play in the actual major championships, not the "Northwest Open", "Legends Championship", etc.
    It won't be like Rory, they're building from Rory and adding. And the game won't be released for a long time:
    And it looks like they have the studio in Madrid working on the game too.
    bigkev
    It won't be like Rory, they're building from Rory and adding. And the game won't be released for a long time:
    And it looks like they have the studio in Madrid working on the game too.

    The Augusta Chairman said the game will likely release around this time next year.
    I was worried it might not be until next Spring.
    I'm still holding out hope for Christmas shopping season this year, but expecting probably not.
    Oh well - If it makes a much better game to have more time, so be it.
    The social media reaction has changed markedly with this announcement.
    2k has a problem on their hands. They are going to have to decide how "in" they really are, as Masters exclusivity alone is going to draw a TON of the casual base they enjoyed the profits from this last time around.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    The Augusta Chairman said the game will likely release around this time next year.

    He did indeed but he probably wasn’t supposed to lol. That may have been a slip up.
    So, assuming they have the hosts of the majors for next year in their course list, EA's golf game could at least feature the following courses:
    Augusta (which is a given now)
    Southern Hills
    The Country Club
    St. Andrews
    Plus, we already know about:
    TPC Sawgrass
    Pebble Beach
    They also mention the FedExCup Playoffs, so perhaps Liberty National and East Lake.
    scagwi
    The social media reaction has changed markedly with this announcement.
    2k has a problem on their hands. They are going to have to decide how "in" they really are, as Masters exclusivity alone is going to draw a TON of the casual base they enjoyed the profits from this last time around.

    That's why 2K signed Tiger... the biggest name in golf for casuals. And you can bet he will be playable in the game by users.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    The Augusta Chairman said the game will likely release around this time next year.

    It's a lot of time to add contents for the game. From what Handsward wrote at one time, it takes 2 months to build one course to replicate it perfectly. And they have devs in 2 studios working on the game. Hopefully it's going to be something much better than the Nightclub. ;)
    bigkev
    That's why 2K signed Tiger... the biggest name in golf for casuals. And you can bet he will be playable in the game by users.

    Should be interesting.
    I like EA’s position here more than 2k’s
    In some ways having the Rory flop in the history books is a really good thing here.
    There’s no way EA is getting back into this and they’re going to screw it up again… At least not in my opinion.
    Recommitting to the Masters shows me they have their head in the right place
    I love how it says "Road to the Masters"
    Hell. Yes.
    Give me a beautiful deep next-gen career mode.
    All. Over it.
    Love everything about that as we know that EA can actually execute that, unlike the "issues" on the other side (so far anyhow - maybe 2k can fix that next round)
    scagwi
    I love how it says "Road to the Masters"

    First thing that made me think of was the "Road to the Masters" career mode Tiger 12. I liked that you had to qualify and earn the ability to play at Augusta. I also liked that they had the specific sponsors, like Cleveland Golf, TaylorMade, and Nike, and you'd have to perform certain tasks using that sponsor's gear. You'd even have to wear that sponsor's outfit when playing at Augusta (it was always kind of funny how strict Augusta is about everything - you couldn't use the spin and power boosts when playing there, you could not just wear any clothes you wanted, etc.).
    scagwi
    I love how it says "Road to the Masters"
    Hell. Yes.
    Give me a beautiful deep next-gen career mode.
    All. Over it.
    Love everything about that as we know that EA can actually execute that, unlike the "issues" on the other side (so far anyhow - maybe 2k can fix that next round)

    EA Sports PGA Tour has a good ring to it. Glad there not putting a name to it.
    jbd345
    EA Sports PGA Tour has a good ring to it. Glad there not putting a name to it.

    Me too. I was advocating for a more general name like this even back in Rory days. Other than Tiger, it's just been hard over the years to pick any player to hang the hat on in the same way.
    Even the best of the best right now -- none of them are where Tiger was back when EA and Tiger first started doing all this together.
    Good for 2K to license him, although I don't think it's nearly the "thing" it used to be (not even close).
    In 2021 and beyond, I'll take fully licensed Augusta/The Masters over Tiger all day long.
    I'm so stoked to be getting Pebble and Augusta in Frostbite next-gen!!! (among all the other great news)
    lowpaiddonkey10
    Won't matter without a mo cap swing.

    I gotta' think they will do Mo-Cap at least for Tiger, right?
    Would he even sign up if they aren't going to get him correctly modeled at least?
    MrArlingtonBeach
    I think it's the cover...they tweeted "A cover unlike any other..." with that picture, so I'd imagine that's what they're using.

    Oh got it.. but it's not in-game footage - sorry I was confused with the questions here
    scagwi
    I gotta' think they will do Mo-Cap at least for Tiger, right?
    Would he even sign up if they aren't going to get him correctly modeled at least?

    I don't think Tiger is swinging a golf club for quite a while, unfortunately.
    scagwi
    I gotta' think they will do Mo-Cap at least for Tiger, right?
    Would he even sign up if they aren't going to get him correctly modeled at least?

    They going to mo-cap him sitting on the couch with his right leg propped up?
    drewzer300
    They going to mo-cap him sitting on the couch with his right leg propped up?

    Might as well - that might be about all the "golf" he has left anymore.
    (sadly)
    I see the police report today said he was doing 80mph (in a 45) in Palos Verdes. Anyone who knows that terrain up there knows that's a way to get dead in a hurry on those roads. He's very lucky to be alive.
    lowpaiddonkey10
    Won't matter without a mo cap swing.

    I don't think casual care about a mo cap swing... just about all of them wouldn't even recognize the difference. Specially that Tiger has changed his swing several times throughout the years.
    No big loss on Tiger, his career is probably over anyway.
    I would much rather have DJ, JT, Bryson, etc... The big names in this game.
    And it sounds like DJ is in! Great add! Love DJ!
    Crazy Packers Fan
    When can I preorder? I'm already sold. This is so exciting!

    I'm not even a pre-order guy, and even I probably will.
    Just the thought of Frostbite Next-Gen Augusta and Pebble .... it's just a must have on those merits alone (for me anyhow)
    I guess I need to figure out what console path I'm going to go down.
    The PS5 may have an edge if they incorporate/use controller haptics in this game. There are a ton of cool possibilities for that in a golf game.
    I've been a PS guys since the very start so I'm guessing I'll remain one.
    MSFS on XB has tempted me, but they aren't going to do VR (which I ultimately want for MSFS), so I'm likely going to stick to PC's for MSFS.
    bigkev
    I don't think casual care about a mo cap swing... just about all of them wouldn't even recognize the difference. Specially that Tiger has changed his swing several times throughout the years.

    I think, in general, this might ring true. There's a lot of normal, not necessarily "unique" swings on tour currently that casual players might not bat an eye to if their swings are all the same.
    If you're going to have players like Bubba Watson, Matthew Wolff, Bryson DeChambeau, etc., you're going to have to have mo-capped swings. Would be rather odd to see Matthew Wolff without the leg flare/over the top swing.
    You're also going to run into unique swings with legend/classic players like Arnold Palmer, Nicklaus, Lee Trevino, and others.
    Well in the last game, they already had Rory, DJ, Spieth, Jimenez, Mahan, Fowler, Kaymer and some more I can't remember. Probably Bradley and Poulter? I can see them adding a big hitter like Koepka, not sure if DeChambeau is exclusive to 2K.
    Since I'm sure this game is going to be re-using assets/work invested from Rory where possible, I'd imagine they have a bunch of pros already re-licensed and Mo-capped from before.
    The raw mo-cap work I'd bet can be reused and reimplemented here.
    This is all part of why I wanted EA back in this space. When properly incentivized, they have the budget and resources and know how to "go big"
    bigkev
    Well in the last game, they already had Rory, DJ, Spieth, Jimenez, Mahan, Fowler, Kaymer and some more I can't remember. Probably Bradley and Poulter? I can see them adding a big hitter like Koepka, not sure if DeChambeau is exclusive to 2K.

    We may also see the young up and comer lefty from Texas named Thomas Justin.
    Mostly a casual golf gamer here. Waiting for actual gameplay before getting too excited. EA hasn't done much gameplay wise, imo, with a certain football game & the big exclusive license that goes with it.
    TerryP
    Mostly a casual golf gamer here. Waiting for actual gameplay before getting too excited. EA hasn't done much gameplay wise, imo, with a certain football game & the big exclusive license that goes with it.

    I've said this before and I'll say it again...
    You can't judge this based upon other sports.
    Rory was a misstep, full stop.
    Other than that, EA has done sensational work in the golf space IMO.
    I will say that I caught my PS3 looking at me sideways this AM.
    I still use it to fire up TW14 .... those days are likely numbered.
    Sorry PS3. lol
    scagwi
    Me too. I was advocating for a more general name like this even back in Rory days. Other than Tiger, it's just been hard over the years to pick any player to hang the hat on in the same way.
    Even the best of the best right now -- none of them are where Tiger was back when EA and Tiger first started doing all this together.
    Good for 2K to license him, although I don't think it's nearly the "thing" it used to be (not even close).
    In 2021 and beyond, I'll take fully licensed Augusta/The Masters over Tiger all day long.
    I'm so stoked to be getting Pebble and Augusta in Frostbite next-gen!!! (among all the other great news)

    Wonder what kept 2K from getting rights to everything EA did? Money? If 2K had jumped earlier, this would have locked out EA. Although credit to where it is due, 2K has never been scared of competition or tried to end it. This may be where nice guys finish last.
    baconbits11
    Wonder what kept 2K from getting rights to everything EA did? Money? If 2K had jumped earlier, this would have locked out EA. Although credit to where it is due, 2K has never been scared of competition or tried to end it. This may be where nice guys finish last.

    Money, relationships, track record, history...
    Any and all of that.
    We have to remember that when "the internet" seemed to think "2k took over the PGA license from EA", that was never exactly true. EA had a statement at that time, that they still had an ongoing relationship with the PGA.
    And as for Augusta/The Masters -- they are probably the most picky license holder in the sports world and I'm sure they prefer to go with someone they've worked with before, who did a phenomenal job with their content, branding, history, heritage, etc.
    TW14 was sensational on the content side - particularly The Masters content.
    With the very best and most exclusive content, it can very often be about way more than just money.
    How do you think The Masters would feel about "the leaderboard not working right"?
    lmfao
    I mean - credit to 2k/HB for trying so far, but it's still serious amateur hour over there on some aspects of the product.
    baconbits11
    Wonder what kept 2K from getting rights to everything EA did? Money? If 2K had jumped earlier, this would have locked out EA.

    Never in their wildest dreams they thought to sell 2M copies, and they were only the publishers. And they had to buy HB to start with. When was the last time EA sold 2M copies?
    scagwi
    Never going to happen again for them now.
    Rough day in 2k land
    Never is a strong assertion to make. What was the best selling copy of EA golf with most or all the majors per chance?
    Official HQ of Bills Backer/Spurs Nation
    J_Posse
    Never is a strong assertion to make. What was the best selling copy of EA golf with most or all the majors per chance?
    Official HQ of Bills Backer/Spurs Nation

    I agree - saying "never" can be a big mistake...
    ...but since it's never happened before in the golf space, and it only happened in an environment with literally one mainstream choice...
    ..and that is now changing very dramatically away from 2k's favor..
    I'm pretty confident in my assertion.
    If 2k is still selling 2M copies in an environment that also includes a fully licensed and content filled EA Majors+Masters game, that means AMAZING things for the golf niche and I'd be thrilled to be very wrong.
    (not happening)
    scagwi
    I agree - saying "never" can be a big mistake...
    ...but since it's never happened before in the golf space, and it only happened in an environment with literally one mainstream choice...
    ..and that is now changing very dramatically away from 2k's favor..
    I'm pretty confident in my assertion.
    If 2k is still selling 2M copies in an environment with a fully licensed and content filled EA game, that means AMAZING things for the golf niche and I'd be thrilled to be very wrong.
    (not happening)
    So the old Tiger Woods titles weren't multi - million selling in their heyday? Surprised to know that if it is the case.
    Official HQ of Bills Backer/Spurs Nation
    J_Posse
    So the old Tiger Woods titles weren't multi - million selling in their heyday? Surprised to know that if it is the case.
    Official HQ of Bills Backer/Spurs Nation

    They were not...I think TW14 sold something like 400,000 copies across PS3 and Xbox 360.
    The closest might be TW12, the first with The Masters and Augusta. That version sold 620K on 360, 890K on PS3, and 350K on the Wii for a total of 1.86 million copies, per VGChartz.com.
    EA loves them some exclusive deals. Porsche, Star Wars... the list goes on. History hasn't been great for the properties they've locked up.
    I love the Masters, but I don't trust EA. Hope they can make a compelling game.
    I certainly don't expect more than 30 courses, but if EA can replicate anything close of the career mode of TW14, I'll be absolutely thrilled. I've been pumped all day after this announcement.
    Cool announcement. I bought 2k21 a few months ago and have been enjoying career mode very much. Probably one of my top 3 favorite games of the year.
    I just feel like 2k21 does such a better job replicating real golf than any of the more arcadey games EA used to put out. You can literally make the game as hard or easy as you want which makes the game accessible to a large player base. I could definitely see a time in the future where I prefer 2k from a gameplay perspective, but am envious of the exclusives on EA. But there is definitely room for two gamesome the genre. Sorta like how some people prefer FIFA which is a more feature loaded arcadey replication of the sport , and then you have PES with strong gameplay and less licenses.
    2k has already indicated a strong commitment to this serious with the signing of tiger woods. Plus so far they have only mentioned Augusta being exclusive. So there is a chance we get The opens and PGA championship integrated in to future 2k games.
    Also, 2K having generic majors really doesn’t bother me all that much. The generic major courses are pretty good and if they just up the presentation a bit to make them feel more important it could go a long way.
    Therebelyell626
    Cool announcement. I bought 2k21 a few months ago and have been enjoying career mode very much. Probably one of my top 3 favorite games of the year.
    I just feel like 2k21 does such a better job replicating real golf than any of the more arcadey games EA used to put out. You can literally make the game as hard or easy as you want which makes the game accessible to a large player base. I could definitely see a time in the future where I prefer 2k from a gameplay perspective, but am envious of the exclusives on EA. But there is definitely room for two gamesome the genre. Sorta like how some people prefer FIFA which is a more feature loaded arcadey replication of the sport , and then you have PES with strong gameplay and less licenses.
    2k has already indicated a strong commitment to this serious with the signing of tiger woods. Plus so far they have only mentioned Augusta being exclusive. So there is a chance we get The opens and PGA championship integrated in to future 2k games.
    Also, 2K having generic majors really doesn’t bother me all that much. The generic major courses are pretty good and if they just up the presentation a bit to make them feel more important it could go a long way.

    EA will exclusively have all four majors...it's the title of this thread, and details can be found here: https://ir.ea.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2021/Electronic-Arts-Partners-With-Augusta-National-Golf-Club-to-Feature-the-Masters-Exclusively-in-EA-SPORTS-PGA-TOUR/default.aspx.
    And EA always allowed for customization of difficulty, too. TW 14 sim mode or whatever it was called was insanely difficulty. No green grid, no scout cam, no wind indicator, you had to swing the analog stick diagonally, etc.
    Not to mention, you can accurately hit "power hooks" that travel 30 yards farther than actually trying for perfect tempo, by hitting nothing by "red fasts" in PGA 2K21...not exactly realistic, if you ask me.
    2K21 made steps to enhance their career mode, but they are way behind anything that EA offered in TW12-14. 2K21 not being able to get leaderboards to work right is the biggest offender, and it's mind-blowing that they won't or can't fix it.
    Not sure this has been mentioned, but looks like we are getting the full Augusta/Masters treatment...
    https://www.masters.com/en_US/news/articles/2021-04-07/chairman_announces_new_masters_video_game.html
    "The Masters Tournament is coming back to EA Sports with a new, highly detailed video-game experience in time for the 2022 Masters. The title of the new game is EA Sports PGA Tour: Road to the Masters.
    Earlier this year, EA Sports announced the EA Sports PGA Tour game. The Masters edition, announced during Augusta National Golf Club and Masters Tournament Chairman Fred Ridley's Wednesday Press Conference, includes components that incorporate the Augusta National Women's Amateur and Drive, Chip and Putt competitions, the Par 3 Contest, Honorary Starters, major moments, greatest shots and the Amen Corner Challenge. The last EA Sports golf game came in 2015."
    Meh, given how much better the 2k/tgc games were over Rory, there is no way I can get excited about this.
    I would rather better game play and the course creator, thanks.
    spike83
    Does this mean that the war's over now that EA dropped the big one?

    Way too early to tell, but I already see that the EA marketing machine is much better at this than 2K's...
    EA so full of Crap.. now that 2K got in the Sport they want to make sure they have something to hang on to with the so Call Exclusive.. same thing they did with Madden lol.. I stop Purchasing EA Games because they are Crap compare to the competion..
    I guess am gonna have to stick with 2K.. buy buy EA..
    We don't want exclusive contents play the innovation game be better.. make better games and invest in better developers not exclusive content..👎
    Kache305
    EA so full of Crap.. now that 2K got in the Sport they want to make sure they have something to hang on to with the so Call Exclusive.. same thing they did with Madden lol.. I stop Purchasing EA Games because they are Crap compare to the competion..
    I guess am gonna have to stick with 2K.. buy buy EA..
    We don't want exclusive contents play the innovation game be better.. make better games and invest in better developers not exclusive content..��

    Sigh...
    Augusta is the one who demands their licensing be exclusive. I understand the frustration with EA/Madden/the NFL, but this is a different beast. Augusta isn't just going to give their rights out to anyone. EA has proven they can do Augusta justice, and will work within the confines of the rigid requirements Augusta is likely to demand when it comes to their properties.
    Also, 2K vs. EA in the golf arena will do more for innovation than anything else. There's actual competition here. It's not just one company dominating. That's a huge difference.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Way too early to tell, but I already see that the EA marketing machine is much better at this than 2K's...

    That bar is so low, the EA folks probably tripped over it
    scagwi
    I've said this before and I'll say it again...
    You can't judge this based upon other sports.
    Rory was a misstep, full stop.
    Other than that, EA has done sensational work in the golf space IMO.
    I will say that I caught my PS3 looking at me sideways this AM.
    I still use it to fire up TW14 .... those days are likely numbered.
    Sorry PS3. lol

    And I have said this before and I will say it again.
    You most DEFINITELY can judge this game against the other sports games that EA has put out. Rory is a fine example of the shiny turds that EA loves to give.
    I knew you were a fanboy, just shocked thought at the extent of it.
    It’s so bad, that any criticism you have for HB is pure bias and worthless
    Funny y’all want to compare 2K to Rory. Guess you going to forget the masterpieces of PS3 ERA? Rory was rushed.
    2Ks game is basically a broken career mode. EA knows how to do a real career mode for golf. I’m all in baby!!
    lions67
    And I have said this before and I will say it again.
    You most DEFINITELY can judge this game against the other sports games that EA has put out. Rory is a fine example of the shiny turds that EA loves to give.
    I knew you were a fanboy, just shocked thought at the extent of it.
    It’s so bad, that any criticism you have for HB is pure bias and worthless

    A few points..
    1. Don't tilt toward personal shots please. Let's please keep it courteous and on the topics at hand.
    2. Why are you obsessed with Rory? It was a misstep and the poor dev team had the rug pulled out before they could get done what they wanted. I fully agree and acknowledge that - 100%.
    But - Focusing so much on only Rory is omitting the vast majority of EA Golf history, which had some of the best golf releases of all time.
    3. The title we should be thinking about here is TW14 Masters, which is clearly what they are aiming to return to. That game was arguably the most content rich and feature complete golf game ever. I literally still play it today (alongside Perfect Golf).
    scagwi
    A few points..
    1. Don't tilt toward personal shots please. Let's please keep it courteous and on the topics at hand.
    2. Why are you obsessed with Rory? It was a misstep and the poor dev team had the rug pulled out before they could get done what they wanted. I fully agree and acknowledge that - 100%.
    But - Focusing so much on only Rory is omitting the vast majority of EA Golf history, which had some of the best golf releases of all time.
    3. The title we should be thinking about here is TW14 Masters, which is clearly what they are aiming to return to. That game was arguably the most content rich and feature complete golf game ever. I literally still play it today (alongside Perfect Golf).

    You are right, my last line I can see how it would be perceived as an attack. So for that I apologize. T wasn’t needed.
    As for the rest of your post though ?
    All I can say about it is that for many, many years now, EA has done nothing of worth. Every one of their sports games has been half assed, lazy, uninspired and worst of all, copy and pastes of previous games.
    For those reasons EA should never be trusted
    I too would very much appreciate no personal shots.
    We don't get them in golf sections. This is one of our safe places and I would love to see it stay that way.
    lions67
    You are right, my last line I can see how it would be perceived as an attack. So for that I apologize. T wasn’t needed.

    Thank you
    Re: the rest
    I don't know what to tell you. I really don't play the other EA games of late and so I can't weigh in much.
    What I do know is that they know how to make great golf games and a long history shows us that, so I personally am very excited and very very much looking forward to this release.
    Hopefully you'll keep an open mind when it releases and see what you think, but if not, no worries - you can always just keep playing the 2k offerings!
    It's going to phenomenal to have two legit options to choose from!
    I understand 100% of the uncertainty around EA reentering into the golf space. Rory left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
    But HB and TGC/2K21 have been essentially unthreatened for the last 5-6 years. They have been allowed to get away with releasing games that are solid enough, but then sit, not updated, and feature modes that lack true polish and innovation.
    EA has done this before. They've made mistakes. Let's hope they learn from them and, at the very least, push HB and 2K to innovate and get better than they are now.
    The big hope I have is EA has been developing this for a couple years already and has given the dev team time to build something solid.
    It's completely fair to not trust EA. Their track record of MTX/exclusives/half-baked games is overwhelmingly long. 2K gets the benefit of the doubt at this point. I'm hoping we get 2 really solid games.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't sound like they also have exclusive deals for the US Open, The Open, and the PGA Championship. I think when they say "exclusively have all four majors," it means they are the only game that can have all four (obviously since they are the only ones that can have Augusta).
    I still think there is a chance 2K could also have some or all of the other three majors. That's not to say they would considering their current game doesn't have them.
    Aweb20
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't sound like they also have exclusive deals for the US Open, The Open, and the PGA Championship. I think when they say "exclusively have all four majors," it means they are the only game that can have all four (obviously since they are the only ones that can have Augusta).
    I still think there is a chance 2K could also have some or all of the other three majors. That's not to say they would considering their current game doesn't have them.

    That's just the title of this thread.
    From the article, this is what they actually say:
    The historic Masters Tournament at Augusta National Golf Club, PGA Championship, U.S. Open Championship, and The Open Championship will be exclusive to the game.
    burjeffton
    The big hope I have is EA has been developing this for a couple years already and has given the dev team time to build something solid.
    It's completely fair to not trust EA. Their track record of MTX/exclusives/half-baked games is overwhelmingly long. 2K gets the benefit of the doubt at this point. I'm hoping we get 2 really solid games.

    Sorry but how does 2K get the benefit? HB Studios has went down hill since they first started and their career mode is literally unplayable. Lol. I don’t mean, it’s not fun, I mean it literally does not work.
    I don’t think they have benefit of the doubt, at all.
    Even Rorys career mode Atleast worked.
    2k gets the benefit?
    They can't get leaderboards to work correctly and are more interested in adding random licensed apparel, pumpkin heads and banana putters than fixing it (or any of the other issues I see discussed)
    Also, isn't this the same 2k that people say has "ruined their NBA franchise"?
    We can pick nits with EA and 2K all day long.
    Really the best news here is that they'll both be in the golf space at once.
    We, as customers, are the major beneficiaries of that situation.
    Missed this before, but this sounds...just amazing.
    "In the latest version, even more meticulous attention to detail has been developed, with 10 times the polygons that were used in the previous EA Sports Masters title. The latest lighting system allows EA to create more authentic lighting, the wind will be driven by a natural physics system and there is an opportunity to authentically simulate cloth for use in the flags and player clothing.
    EA's Tiburon studio in Orlando, Fla., is developing the game with the Frostbite engine, which will offer "stunning fidelity, breathtaking immersive environments, and approachable, dynamic gameplay," according to EA."
    https://www.masters.com/en_US/news/articles/2021-04-07/chairman_announces_new_masters_video_game.html
    Did anybody ask Chairman Ridley if "leaderboards will work right"?
    :duck:
    Sorry - just can't resist (and can't believe that situation..)
    I gotta see the game in motion. One of my (many) issues with EA has long been that while their games look absolutely great in still photos, in motion they look terrible. Madden being a primary example, but still photos from Madden look great, but then you see the game at full speed and you might as well cue the "Benny Hill" theme music for as realistic as it looks.
    There's no excuse not to have silky-smooth swing animations and a broadcast cam (no follow-cam only, please!) in this game - there's only 1 character moving at a time. And they darn well better be mo-capped to the individual swings of the pros in the game. Frankly, I could think of some better options for the swing mechanism too (other than the standard/boring "right stick down --> right stick up" swing mechanic), but we have a year to see what they're going to roll out, so....let's speculate away!
    scagwi
    Did anybody ask Chairman Ridley if "leaderboards will work right"?
    :duck:
    Sorry - just can't resist (and can't believe that situation..)

    Mr. Chairman looked liked he was going to cry reading this announcement. It was like he was the one "Nay" in the room.
    Don't think he was going to be taking questions lol.
    There are so many little things EA was doing, and customers for TGC have been asking for years. Some as simple as dynamic weather and clothing moving in the wind, stuff EA had in TW10 and maybe even before that.
    bigkev
    There are so many little things EA was doing, and customers for TGC have been asking for years. Some as simple as dynamic weather and clothing moving in the wind, stuff EA had in TW10 and maybe even before that.

    That's a little thing in 2K21 that bugged me...there's no weather. Like, at all. Other than wind, I mean. Even if you turn on rain in your round, it has zero effect on the actual conditions.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Missed this before, but this sounds...just amazing.
    "In the latest version, even more meticulous attention to detail has been developed, with 10 times the polygons that were used in the previous EA Sports Masters title. The latest lighting system allows EA to create more authentic lighting, the wind will be driven by a natural physics system and there is an opportunity to authentically simulate cloth for use in the flags and player clothing.
    EA's Tiburon studio in Orlando, Fla., is developing the game with the Frostbite engine, which will offer "stunning fidelity, breathtaking immersive environments, and approachable, dynamic gameplay," according to EA."
    https://www.masters.com/en_US/news/articles/2021-04-07/chairman_announces_new_masters_video_game.html

    Holy ......
    scagwi
    The PS5 may have an edge if they incorporate/use controller haptics in this game. There are a ton of cool possibilities for that in a golf game.

    This is the aspect of golf gaming that I think gets way overlooked... how the controller interfaces with the swing. I get the sense that developers are just starting to scratch the surface of what can ultimately be done with an analog thumbstick, especially one that features the intricate haptics of the PS5's controller.
    I was playing PGA TOUR 2K21 with my Elite 2 controller this afternoon on my XBox Series X, and perhaps the greatest visceral pleasure I got from it was hitting a drive straight off the tee at Bay Hill during a no-aids Society round. The controller gave me that solid contact sensation, but the sensation that accompanied the properly regulated tempo resulting in that "Perfect" strike felt sublime. Where 2K21's swing interface falls down (IMHO) is when you produce a "Fast" tempo, the punitive effect is a draw or a hook, not a pull, as my golf senses would expect. Rather, it's the outside/in swing plane that produces a "pull" in 2K21, rather than the slice or fade it should produce. In spite of this, there's still an unquantifiable joy in the feel of hitting one straight!
    I think this is where EA needs to step up and bring some new translation of thumbstick motion/tempo and haptic physics into the swing interface. This is what could ultimately give me most lasting enjoyment of their next game. I just hope this area of the game gets some much needed attention.
    scagwi

    But - Focusing so much on only Rory is omitting the vast majority of EA Golf history, which had some of the best golf releases of all time.
    3. The title we should be thinking about here is TW14 Masters, which is clearly what they are aiming to return to. That game was arguably the most content rich and feature complete golf game ever. I literally still play it today (alongside Perfect Golf).

    Rory was a dud for a lot of reasons, but I enjoyed the gameplay on the course. Looked and felt perfect, for me.
    If they plop that gameplay and those graphics into a game with a reasonable career mode, a return of country clubs for online, and the just decent customization, I'd be completely happy.
    I've tried every version of TGC and now PGA2K21, and it is the gameplay that loses me. I don't find it fun. But that's just me.
    So this all sounds perfect. Just wish it was coming sooner.
    My main beef with Rory was the swing.
    I never could understand why I was missing where I was missing and I just wish it hadn’t required so much force/flick, for lack of a better term?
    I also thought the game needed to be harder.
    Even when I jacked it way up and turned off helpers...the scoring was just a bit too easy I thought.
    scagwi
    My main beef with Rory was the swing.
    I never could understand why I was missing where I was missing and I just wish it hadn’t required so much force/flick, for lack of a better term?
    I also thought the game needed to be harder.
    Even when I jacked it way up and turned off helpers...the scoring was just a bit too easy I thought.

    Also the club sounds were awful. I could not stand it. One thing 2k excelled in this year was audio.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    That's a little thing in 2K21 that bugged me...there's no weather. Like, at all. Other than wind, I mean. Even if you turn on rain in your round, it has zero effect on the actual conditions.

    The game looks silly with wind ever since speed trees has been implemented. The effect is way overdone bushes and trees appear to be dancing.
    scagwi
    My main beef with Rory was the swing.
    I never could understand why I was missing where I was missing and I just wish it hadn’t required so much force/flick, for lack of a better term?
    I also thought the game needed to be harder.
    Even when I jacked it way up and turned off helpers...the scoring was just a bit too easy I thought.

    Same here... it had no real "analog" feel to it. It was like: 1.) dial up your desired carry distance, 2.) pull stick back until you lit the green bubble at the backswing length needed for desired carry distance, 3.) flick stick forward with a snappy pace. That's the way it felt to me anyway. Yes, there were percentages of desired stroke power that would result, but the scaling of the stick motion was so non-linear that it didn't register with my senses.
    This same flicky-feel carried over into the putting game as well. There was just no sense of proportionality in the stick motion to the putting stroke... certainly nothing to compare to the more integrated proportionality of PGA TOUR 2K21, Perfect Golf, or EA Sports' now two gens old Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 through 14! I would argue to this day that Tiger Woods 10 perhaps had both the best putting implementation and presentation of any golf game ever made!
    lowpaiddonkey10
    The game looks silly with wind ever since speed trees has been implemented. The effect is way overdone bushes and trees appear to be dancing.

    It's very strange that the bushes in 2K21 move in the wind so much more than the trees...so you can have trees gently swaying, while the bushes at ground level are shaking wildly. Makes no sense.
    Grey_Osprey
    I'm curious how many courses the new EA game will have and if there will be a course creator like PGA2K has.

    I'm going to say they probably won't have a course creator. I'd guess they'll probably hit with 16 to 20 courses at launch, at least two of which will be fictional courses. What I'm a little bit concerned about is how much storage space the courses will occupy. Unlike PGA TOUR 2K21, all of the EA Sports golf game's course data is locally stored on the platform's hard drive. Based on my experience with Perfect Golf, I'd guess courses rendered in the detail EA are already discussing are going to come in at .75 to 1 GB, or more each.
    Let's say EA Sports PGA TOUR comes with 20 courses at launch. I'd be willing to guess that with all the other supporting data, including player models, the game would require 35 to 40 GB. Start adding DLC courses at ~1GB per course and you'll have a sizeable chunk of storage space consumed.
    It wouldn't be that much of a problem for me because probably 70% of my gaming time is already dedicated to golf. I'd be willing to surrender that much of my Series X for a good golf game, I'm just thinking about the average gamer who's more broadly divested. Then again, I don't know how many average gamers would be buying add-on courses anyway. Just something to chew on anyway... still a year away from launch, there's lots of time to fill in the blanks.
    OnlookerDelay
    Same here... it had no real "analog" feel to it. It was like: 1.) dial up your desired carry distance, 2.) pull stick back until you lit the green bubble at the backswing length needed for desired carry distance, 3.) flick stick forward with a snappy pace. That's the way it felt to me anyway.
    This same flicky-feel carried over into the putting game as well. There was just no sense of proportionality in the stick motion to the putting stroke...

    Perfectly articulated JC
    I guess if I had to, I could defend the flick a bit more on normal shots (still didn't love it), but on the putting green it was just a wreck. That isn't how putting should be at all - quite the opposite in fact.
    The core mechanic/gameplay of the EA golf games is terrible and has been for over a decade. I suspect that will not change in any meaningful way as it hasn't in the last 15+ years. With EA buying rights to the Majors, they are pulling consumers away from "the golf club" or "2k" game as there are people who will buy a golf game based on this license that might have otherwise went to 2k. This makes it harder for 2k (which is actually a good game with huge upside)....over time, EA will ruin the golf video game genre (again) just like they did for football. IMO there are not enough golf video game consumers to support 2 major titles. It wasn't too long ago golf video games were dead...then HB Studios with a small team began building something that worked...now so some exec at EA see's the success of 2k and wants back in and is bullying the competition with exclusive licenses..which is all EA knows how to do. I think it's sad and kind of disgusting. Imagine these courses officially licensed on 2k...would be amazing. Instead, you'll get the chance to play them with 90 year grandpa avatars who hit 350 yards drives that turn into flames through the air and that you can magically spin either direction in mid flight to land it in the hole.....stupid.
    misterkrabz2
    The core mechanic/gameplay of the EA golf games is terrible and has been for over a decade. I suspect that will not change in any meaningful way as it hasn't in the last 15+ years. With EA buying rights to the Majors, they are pulling consumers away from "the golf club" or "2k" game as there are people who will buy a golf game based on this license that might have otherwise went to 2k. This makes it harder for 2k (which is actually a good game with huge upside)....over time, EA will ruin the golf video game genre (again) just like they did for football. IMO there are not enough golf video game consumers to support 2 major titles. It wasn't too long ago golf video games were dead...then HB Studios with a small team began building something that worked...now so some exec at EA see's the success of 2k and wants back in and is bullying the competition with exclusive licenses..which is all EA knows how to do. I think it's sad and kind of disgusting. Imagine these courses officially licensed on 2k...would be amazing. Instead, you'll get the chance to play them with 90 year grandpa avatars who hit 350 yards drives that turn into flames through the air and that you can magically spin either direction in mid flight to land it in the hole.....stupid.

    They are going to try to pull players away from 2K, yes. That is, indeed, how business works.
    And I still don't understand why EA is the only company people hammer when it comes to exclusive licenses...am I the only one that recalls the mostly terrible MLB 2K games from the mid-2000s to the mid-2010s? 2K signed exclusive MLB rights (third-party rights, which is thankfully why The Show was still a thing) that killed the MVP Baseball franchise, which was far superior to anything 2K offered in that space.
    It's very easy to hate EA...I get that. Madden fans have been doing so for 10 years. And it's warranted in a lot of cases. But comparing a new golf game to Madden is odd, and doesn't really fit.
    And if you think 2K wouldn't have signed an exclusive deal for the majors or Augusta if they could have, like they just did with their exclusive Tiger Woods deal, you're simply mistaken.
    You'll probably be able to spin the ball in EA's game, sure. And you can also play 2K and use a taco-shaped putter while your created character wears a pumpkin on their head, while dressed in a shiny solid gold polo and pants...
    It's amazing how some folks seem to forget that these guys are running "a business"
    Appealing to the desires of the majority of the paying audience is, forgive the pun, "par for the course", and quite necessary if we want the product to be a going concern.
    I don't like EA exclusivity when they are in open competition and use exclusivity to kill the competition.
    They're entering a market that 2k could have captured and didn't. I'd rather have one game with the real majors than none. 2k can't complain about it down the road in sure they could have put more effort in.
    Why are we blaming EA for getting exclusivity?
    Would we do any different in their shoes?
    They aren't the ones agreeing to sign exclusivity, it's the license holders.
    How do we know that the license holders do not prefer exclusive partnerships?
    Financially it can be great, but also it can help them by having one contact point and concern for their brand and likeness representation in this space.
    It would be surprising to me if it wasn't on PC at some point. I mean they have Madden, FIFA etc. and golf games always sell well on the PC compared to other sports.
    Ronoko
    It would be surprising to me if it wasn't on PC at some point. I mean they have Madden, FIFA etc. and golf games always sell well on the PC compared to other sports.

    What data or games are you thinking of when saying that about PC golf sales?
    There's been so little mainstream golf on PC in the last decade+
    scagwi
    What data or games are you thinking of when saying that about PC golf sales?
    There's been so little mainstream golf on PC in the last decade+

    I don't know if there is available data but historically speaking, the golf game genre originated and has been strong on PC (going back to the days of Leaderboard Golf / Mean 18 / Jack Nicklaus golf). This may have been because in a prior time (e.g. 1980's and 1990's), the overlapping demographic of golfers and PC users is stronger than that of golfers and console users. But that's probably changed in the intervening decades.
    pietasterp
    I don't know if there is available data but historically speaking, the golf game genre originated and has been strong on PC (going back to the days of Leaderboard Golf / Mean 18 / Jack Nicklaus golf). This may have been because in a prior time (e.g. 1980's and 1990's), the overlapping demographic of golfers and PC users is stronger than that of golfers and console users. But that's probably changed in the intervening decades.

    I was going to say....that's 20-30 years ago! lol
    We really have zero evidence that there's strong (or even minimal) demand for golf on PC.
    It'd be nice to see, but I can understand a ton of reasons why they'd prefer to dial in on just the next gen consoles (if that's what they do). You can make an overall much better product when you can focus on specific specs and input methods and optimize for it.
    EA hasn't made a true PC golf game since 2008, and they made many versions of Tiger after 2008... I see zero evidence, other than hope and wishful thinking, that they'll be back on PC this round.
    The other games mentioned are each their own situation and rationale and all of those (FIFA & Madden) have dramatically more market size.
    scagwi
    It's amazing how some folks seem to forget that these guys are running "a business"
    Appealing to the desires of the majority of the paying audience is, forgive the pun, "par for the course", and quite necessary if we want the product to be a going concern.

    You're missing the point. EA is going to muscle everyone out then because they can't make a good golf game (and sales are not where they think they should be) will decide there's no money in golf games then shut it down...then we have no golf games. It's already happened once. It'll happen again. And I have no confidence in EA's ability to "Appeal to the desires of the majority of the paying audience". Or if they actually do appeal to the majority of the paying audience and that audience wants goofy non-challenging gameplay mechanics so they can shoot 36 under par that's actually worse.
    misterkrabz2
    You're missing the point. EA is going to muscle everyone out then because they can't make a good golf game (and sales are not where they think they should be) will decide there's no money in golf games then shut it down...then we have no golf games. It's already happened once. It'll happen again. And I have no confidence in EA's ability to "Appeal to the desires of the majority of the paying audience". Or if they actually do appeal to the majority of the paying audience and that audience wants goofy non-challenging gameplay mechanics so they can shoot 36 under par that's actually worse.

    Sorry, no offense intended at all, I just totally disagree with you.
    I loved TW14 - still play it to this very moment - and they are clearly trying to get back on that track and I love it!
    If you think 2k is any better long term, go ask NBA2K fans.
    They are busy squeezing out all the original HB "touch", version after version.
    The point I would make is a larger percentage of people play golf games on the PC than NFL, NBA, perhaps even soccer which see most players on consoles. The Golf Club or whatever it is called now started on PC only and still has a huge following among PC users compared to consoles. Team sports games are more commonly played on consoles. Racing games are also still very popular on PCs.
    No one is going to argue any golf game is going to sell as well as Madden, NBA2k, or FIFA, but that's including console sales as well.
    misterkrabz2
    You're missing the point. EA is going to muscle everyone out then because they can't make a good golf game (and sales are not where they think they should be) will decide there's no money in golf games then shut it down...then we have no golf games. It's already happened once. It'll happen again. And I have no confidence in EA's ability to "Appeal to the desires of the majority of the paying audience". Or if they actually do appeal to the majority of the paying audience and that audience wants goofy non-challenging gameplay mechanics so they can shoot 36 under par that's actually worse.

    When did we have zero golf game options?
    Of course the Tiger Woods series was an annual release for many years. The last TW (14) came out in 2013, then The Golf Club came out in 2014, Rory came out in 2015, TGC2 released in 2017, TGC 2019 arrived in 2018, and PGA Tour 2K21 came out in 2020. And we now are expecting two more golf games between this moment and this time next year.
    And this doesn't take into account other golf titles like Perfect Golf or Everybody's Golf.
    Ronoko
    The Golf Club or whatever it is called now started on PC only and still has a huge following among PC users compared to consoles.

    You're saying the 2K/HB series has more players on PC than all the console users combined?
    Is that true?
    Surprising if so
    scagwi
    You're saying the 2K/HB series has more players on PC than all the console users combined?
    Is that true?
    Surprising if so

    Can't say that for sure but I know there are a much higher percentage of players still playing it on PC as opposed to consoles, compared to EA's team sports games on PC.
    Don't want to veer off topic.
    I'll end with saying that I'd be stunned if more people play 2k21 on PC than all the console users combined.
    Look, it's about market share in terms of what platform you release games on. Golf games are not going to sell as well as NBA, NFL, or FIFA games when you look at potential sales on all platforms. But traditionally a higher percentage of players play golf games on the PC than any of the other popular team sports games released on PC. So if you ignore the PC market with a golf game, you are losing a higher percentage of users than with these other games.
    Madden, FIFA, and NBA2k would do just fine without PC versions but it would be a significant loss if 2K decided to just release the golf club on consoles.
    All I know is that, while sitting here watching The Masters, knowing that this event, Augusta National, and the other 3 majors are back (officially) in a golf game after being gone for 5-plus years is such a good feeling!
    MrArlingtonBeach
    And I still don't understand why EA is the only company people hammer when it comes to exclusive licenses...am I the only one that recalls the mostly terrible MLB 2K games from the mid-2000s to the mid-2010s? 2K signed exclusive MLB rights (third-party rights, which is thankfully why The Show was still a thing) that killed the MVP Baseball franchise, which was far superior to anything 2K offered in that space.

    It's pretty simple really, they scoop up these huge licenses, and then make trash games.
    You're absolutely right about MVP baseball, 2K has done the same. Would love to see that game make a return, but not with an exclusive license. EA also made great Madden games back then, not so much anymore.
    I love golf games, so I will be buying both regardless. But wouldn't it be great if they both had access to everything, and let the best game win? 16 years ago 2K made NFL 2K5. Some people think it's still the best NFL game ever made. EA dove into their deep pockets to make sure it was the last.
    And yes, business is business, but that doesn't mean we as consumers have to like it.
    bmf395
    It's pretty simple really, they scoop up these huge licenses, and then make trash games.
    You're absolutely right about MVP baseball, 2K has done the same. Would love to see that game make a return, but not with an exclusive license. EA also made great Madden games back then, not so much anymore.
    I love golf games, so I will be buying both regardless. But wouldn't it be great if they both had access to everything, and let the best game win? 16 years ago 2K made NFL 2K5. Some people think it's still the best NFL game ever made. EA dove into their deep pockets to make sure it was the last.
    And yes, business is business, but that doesn't mean we as consumers have to like it.

    I'm really sorry, but I don't really get your point about hating EA's exclusive license acquisitions, when you admitted that 2K did the same thing with the MLB. 2K, literally just weeks ago, singed an exclusive deal with Tiger Woods. I have to think that, if Augusta came to 2K/HB and offered an exclusive deal to acquire rights to Augusta, and they were ready, willing, and able, they would have done so on the spot without even thinking about it. My point is - both EA and 2K do exclusive deals. It makes sense from a business perspective.
    You also said you're buying both games. And you mentioned the "good old days" of Madden 2005 and NFL 2K5. That's exactly what we're getting here. Two games, competing against each other. The consumer wins in this scenario. How great is it that TWO viable golf games are going to be available, both with the PGA Tour branding, one having an unlimited course library, and the other having all majors, including Augusta?!?!
    Golf and the NFL are two different beasts when it comes to rights. You can make a deal with the NFL and the NFLPA, get all the teams, players, stadiums, uniforms, etc. For a golf game, each tournament needs to be acquired, each golfer needs a deal to show up in game, each club manufacturer, course, apparel brand, etc. need to be signed individually. And some of these properties, like The Masters, are ultra protective of their rights. They are not going to sell rights to 2K, EA, Sony, Activision, and everybody and their brother. They don't need the money, to be honest.
    They want one, singular entity that will honor all their requests and stick to the guidelines they offer, doing their brand justice in their eyes.
    I sure wish these companies would purposely not get exclusive licenses that would help their product and business be the best.
    This way their competitors could better compete with them.
    /s
    Wait -- what?
    lol
    Yeah - not happenin'
    Just give me a revamped version of simulation TW14 with full course loads & all the next generation enhancements, a custom swing camera option that makes Ramone Russell’s teams efforts in The Show look lacklustre.
    HB have done a reasonable job on camera options across Driving,approach & putting but there is way more room for EA to improve & get something truly customisable.
    Genuinely Road to the Masters cannot come soon enough. I’ll pass the time with road to the masters on 2012’s pga game for the time being.
    RIFRIG
    Just give me a revamped version of simulation TW14 with full course loads & all the next generation enhancements, a custom swing camera option that makes Ramone Russell’s teams efforts in The Show look lacklustre.
    HB have done a reasonable job on camera options across Driving,approach & putting but there is way more room for EA to improve & get something truly customisable.
    Genuinely Road to the Masters cannot come soon enough. I’ll pass the time with road to the masters on 2012’s pga game for the time being.

    TW ‘14 had a tv style presentation while the ball was in flight too. After 2k I don’t think I’ll ever use spin again. Give me all the camera angles you can.
    As it seems we are getting. A little bit back on track with our ruined sports platforms,
    The nonsense starts again
    License not exclusively
    Not leaving another company to not have a part of the entity,
    Like saying you can have cars,but another comp has the exclusive rights to tires.
    This deff should not be done
    If you have a problem with exclusive deals, then direct your frustrations at the NFL, Augusta, Tiger Woods, etc.
    Exclusive rights are found everywhere in business. It's a part of the way things work. Company A, being able to offer Brand 1, means they have something Company B doesn't have. So now Company B will go find something they can offer exclusively to compete. In this case, EA got exclusive rights to the majors. In turn, 2K got exclusive rights to Tiger Woods to counteract.
    You can find examples of this all over the place in the world of business and retail.
    I will say, I do see the point of saying that EA has made mistakes with exclusive rights, i.e. the issues with Madden. But EA's golf games have a better track record (minus Rory, and even parts of that game showed promise). So it's tough to say that EA will make a golf game that is terrible because they ruined Madden.
    Just couldn't see Augusta giving 2K/HB a license with the old engine they're using, and leaderboards not working properly. And they can barely produce a decent bunker over there, nothing close of what Augusta required. Augusta know they can rely in EA to not only replicate the course properly, but they will bent over backward for all their requests.
    matt897
    Meh, given how much better the 2k/tgc games were over Rory, there is no way I can get excited about this.
    I would rather better game play and the course creator, thanks.

    THIS is the key if I'm in charge of the 2k game now. I've played it since it came out and, IMO, they need to recognize now that, with EA getting all four majors, they shouldn't even bother trying to have a career mode. It's rubbish.
    The reason I'm still playing 2k is because of the societies and, within those, playing all these different courses people have created. That's what makes 2k different from the EA games back in the day.
    Obviously they need to button up some pretty obvious fixes (the leaderboard...come on man), but they'll have to accept that the "true" PGA fans who want to play as their favorite players and go through the majors are going to gravitate to EA long-term now.
    2K needs to make the societies as robust as possible. Offer different game modes within them. Team events. Weighted scoring so that, if a society wants more than a few players to feel like they can win a tournament, it's possible. Etc. Get multiplayer ironed out. DISABLE CHIPPING ON GREENS.
    OR...figure out a specialized controller which would allow you to turn the game into an actual golf simulator where you're taking real swings. That'd be the gamechanger of all gamechangers.
    Tiger Woods on the wii, because I actually had to hold the remote and move it back and forth at the right tempo, actually improved my real-life putting.
    There's a path for both games to be good and to make it. But IF 2k drops the course creator, they're done for.
    I think I said it earlier/elsewhere on here, but 2K looked smart by integrating more PGA TOUR stuff in 2K21, but didn't really go far enough and stumbled on the execution. They got rights to use pro player likenesses, but you can't play as them. They got lots of real events and courses from the PGA TOUR season schedule, but didn't get any majors and they apparently can't add up scores correctly.
    They either need to fully round out their PGA TOUR usage (which now they really can't, since the majors are out of the question) or just drop the PGA TOUR branding altogether, in my opinion.
    Their game should focus on the community side of things. Like you mentioned, focus on making Societies even more robust and polished, really make the course creator stand out by making it even deeper, but more intuitive and easier to dive into, and really focus in on cleaning up some issues with gameplay and other things that are rough around the edges. And they have Tiger Woods now, so maybe just focus on his career or something like that. Not sure how that's gonna look, since any mention of his play at majors will have to be done in a way as to not infringe on any copyrights...
    It's crazy to me that 2K spent the money they did to license guys like Tony Finau, Sergio Garcia, Justin Thomas, etc., when many gamers turned off the only place they show up (career mode highlights), due to the poor job they did of displaying them in the first place. 90% of the time, the highlights show someone chipping in from off the green, and it makes rounds in career mode take like 2x as long waiting for these highlights to even show up.
    2K had the opportunity to do what so many others think EA does, and bully out the competition. They could have tried to get the majors, but didn't - whether the majors were unwilling to work with 2K or 2K didn't try to get the majors, we may never know. But this left a huge opening for EA to come back in and scoop up the real-world licenses that golf fans really care about.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    I think I said it earlier/elsewhere on here, but 2K looked smart by integrating more PGA TOUR stuff in 2K21, but didn't really go far enough and stumbled on the execution. They got rights to use pro player likenesses, but you can't play as them.

    I'm sure it's because they went cheap on licenses for the pros, they're all looking and swinging the same. If 2K would have known the game would sell 2M copies, it could have been different. But TGC2019 probably sold closer to 200,000 copies.
    And from what one of the dev wrote at HB, the PGA brand cost them (and the customers) the solo societies.
    bigkev
    I'm sure it's because they went cheap on licenses for the pros, they're all looking and swinging the same. If 2K would have known the game would sell 2M copies, it could have been different. But TGC2019 probably sold closer to 200,000 copies.
    And from what one of the dev wrote at HB, the PGA brand cost them (and the customers) the solo societies.

    It definitely is apparent that they went in on the cheap. And getting Solo Societies back would be another reason for them to drop the PGA TOUR license, to be honest, especially knowing how poor their single player PGA TOUR career mode is.
    One thing I know is that EA will use the licenses they've acquired. In previous EA games, the majors were represented well - The events had the signature scoreboards on the courses (and they actually worked!), they had all the actual major trophies, and they even had the rights to use the "Augusta" theme song. When EA purchased rights, they did not skimp.
    48hour records
    As it seems we are getting. A little bit back on track with our ruined sports platforms,
    The nonsense starts again
    License not exclusively
    Not leaving another company to not have a part of the entity,
    Like saying you can have cars,but another comp has the exclusive rights to tires.
    This deff should not be done

    Let’s not pretend that exclusive agreements are unique to video games.
    You see it everywhere you go and probably don’t even realize it.
    I agree with all the comments about how 2K should bag on the PGA and trying to compete with EA on licensed content.
    They will spend away all their profits trying to compete and not win anyways.
    They should lean into societies and the course creator and get to a position where they can turn a blind eye to user re-creations of real courses that have “alternate names”....
    Something they can’t really do when they are trying to simultaneously partner with the PGA
    Basically they should go the “super mega baseball” route, and let users fill in the gaps that they can’t afford to pay for or get access to.
    My hope for competition/2K having a chance is...When was the last time Tiger Woods was not associated with the best video game on the market when he was involved/sponsored etc?
    bucky3
    My hope for competition/2K having a chance is...When was the last time Tiger Woods was not associated with the best video game on the market when he was involved/sponsored etc?

    Tiger will likely have some impact on the upcoming 2K game, but unless he knows how to develop and program a video game, his influence won't really matter in the end. It still all comes down to how HB can execute.
    And I know I, along with others, reminisce about the days where the TW games were at the head of the class, but even his appeal was running a bit low when TW 14 came out. I mean, TW 14 sold about 1/4 the number of copies PGA 2K21 did.
    I am glad Tiger will be back in golf video games, and think he will add something to the next 2K game. But it's the devs that have to come through in the end.
    Worldwide pandemic restrictions are the main reason 2K21’s sales numbers reached such a peak. If you couldn’t play for real & needed a golf fix many dusted off their PS4’s to get connected with the sport they love.
    RIFRIG
    Worldwide pandemic restrictions are the main reason 2K21’s sales numbers reached such a peak. If you couldn’t play for real & needed a golf fix many dusted off their PS4’s to get connected with the sport they love.

    I tend to think it had more to do with pent-up demand, which - while not overwhelming - was enough to sell a few million copies. Keep in mind there had been no mass-marketed, PGA-Tour branded golf game for several years prior to PGA2K21's release. While people might not want to buy a new golf game every year, they definitely will buy one every few years.
    timmermac
    I will get this if two things happen. One: They make a PC version. Two: They have keyboard controls, i.e. spacebar for swing.

    Fairly likely you'll go "oh for two" there
    I think this has a good shot at coming to PC. With EA Premier, it stands reason to believe it could for sure. More games are coming to PC as well.. with that being said, there is also that issue of first release so maybe not.
    I don’t think they’d just give up the PC market to 2K, but we shall see.
    When I read about this new game I couldnt believe it. PC has been without a decent golf games for a very long time. PGAtour 2k21 is simply dreadful.
    However when EA used the term "dynamic difficulty" for their game it only meant one thing to me.
    Scripting.
    We've seen the mess they have made of fifa with scripting. If only EA would allow their sports games to play out.
    Madden is ruined by scripting to the point where I gave up.
    Fifa is unplayable now. Its also impossible to effectively mod.
    So will their new golf game join the ranks of the scripted?
    Will EA be able to resist the urge to script?
    I sincerely hope so.
    But given their track record, i fear my hopes will be in vain
    terrycurran62
    When I read about this new game I couldnt believe it. PC has been without a decent golf games for a very long time. PGAtour 2k21 is simply dreadful.
    However when EA used the term "dynamic difficulty" for their game it only meant one thing to me.
    Scripting.
    We've seen the mess they have made of fifa with scripting. If only EA would allow their sports games to play out.
    Madden is ruined by scripting to the point where I gave up.
    Fifa is unplayable now. Its also impossible to effectively mod.
    So will their new golf game join the ranks of the scripted?
    Will EA be able to resist the urge to script?
    I sincerely hope so.
    But given their track record, i fear my hopes will be in vain

    I am not sure where you saw "dynamic difficulty". The only mention of "dynamic" I can see is the following, in relation to the Frostbite engine:
    "EA Sports PGA TOUR will be built on the EA Frostbite engine, leveraging next-gen technology, promising stunning fidelity, breathtaking immersive environments, and approachable, dynamic gameplay."
    When it comes to AI scores and such, 2K is indeed dreadful as you mentioned, and seem to do scripting of their own...I mean, during your career mode rounds in PGA TOUR 2K21, you can see the "boosted" pros like Justin Thomas card multiple albatrosses in round to keep up with you, if necessary.
    So I do understand your concern with the AI and scripting...I hope it's not in the game, either, since 2K's AI ruins that mode for me. Having another career mode ruined by horrible AI scoring issues would be disappointing.
    So with Augusta being announced does that mean Jim Nantz will be the main commentator? I, mean can’t have one without the other. Crossing fingers for a full cbs style broadcast package.
    jbd345
    So with Augusta being announced does that mean Jim Nantz will be the main commentator? I, mean can’t have one without the other. Crossing fingers for a full cbs style broadcast package.

    That would be my guess, since Nantz was brought in back when the TW games had Augusta. I'm just not so sure I'd like Faldo in the mix...
    terrycurran62
    When I read about this new game I couldnt believe it. PC has been without a decent golf games for a very long time. PGAtour 2k21 is simply dreadful.
    However when EA used the term "dynamic difficulty" for their game it only meant one thing to me.
    Scripting.
    We've seen the mess they have made of fifa with scripting. If only EA would allow their sports games to play out.
    Madden is ruined by scripting to the point where I gave up.
    Fifa is unplayable now. Its also impossible to effectively mod.
    So will their new golf game join the ranks of the scripted?
    Will EA be able to resist the urge to script?
    I sincerely hope so.
    But given their track record, i fear my hopes will be in vain

    Dynamic literally is the opposite of static. LOL. That would be a positive change.
    Also.. scripting is how games are made man, not sure what you mean by this. Even physics are ran through scripts.
    I think it is fairly clear Rory, and the TW games before, play and feel different from The Golf Club games through 2K21. I may prefer EA's style, but that doesn't make it better or worse.
    I still think Rory is a blast to play one off every now and then. I just want a finished version of that game.
    JayhawkerStL
    I think it is fairly clear Rory, and the TW games before, play and feel different from The Golf Club games through 2K21. I may prefer EA's style, but that doesn't make it better or worse.
    I still think Rory is a blast to play one off every now and then. I just want a finished version of that game.

    Really the only thing that killed my interest of that game was the lack of content.
    I used to love EA Sports and bought their games without question. However with the Madden and Rory fiascos, (not blaming the developers but corporate suits shutting it down before a full game was done), EA has a lot to prove to me before I buy this game. Waiting for all the info and gameplay videos before I even think about getting this.
    baconbits11
    I used to love EA Sports and bought their games without question. However with the Madden and Rory fiascos, (not blaming the developers but corporate suits shutting it down before a full game was done), EA has a lot to prove to me before I buy this game. Waiting for all the info and gameplay videos before I even think about getting this.

    That's the smart way to do it...and I think, for me personally, that I'll be doing the same with both upcoming golf releases. But the fact that EA's game has Augusta in it already, and Pebble Beach, and all four majors as well, it has just that much of a leg up on 2K. Plus, if 2K continues the same marketing style they did with 2K21, you'll be waiting for a week or so before release before any real details are even available. I hope EA offers info early and often with their game.
    My guess is there will be something for everyone, which the purists will hate. 2K is trying to hook that crowd right now too since Halloween. I didn't mind Rory so the list of courses will be very important for me. Oh, and a way to get rid of that stupid bubble.
    bigkev
    My guess is there will be something for everyone, which the purists will hate.

    That part is gua-ran-teed
    I will be buying it, basically no matter what, simply for "Frostbite Augusta & Pebble"
    I simply have to have that.
    scagwi
    That part is gua-ran-teed
    I will be buying it, basically no matter what, simply for "Frostbite Augusta & Pebble"
    I simply have to have that.

    Unless 2k doesn’t change their engine (crossing fingers it’s whatever engine nba 2k has)
    EA will probably be my choice next spring. I’m in the minority where I enjoyed 2k21, but you simply can’t pass up pebble and Augusta in frostbite.
    jbd345
    Unless 2k doesn’t change their engine (crossing fingers it’s whatever engine nba 2k has)
    EA will probably be my choice next spring. I’m in the minority where I enjoyed 2k21, but you simply can’t pass up pebble and Augusta in frostbite.

    The thing with 2K21 is that I enjoyed much of it (I absolutely love designing courses and playing all the works of other designers), but the parts that mattered to me were so bad and so unpolished (career mode, obviously, and the weak PGA Tour integration). Not to mention, HB doesn't fix really any issues with the game post release.
    I feel much more confident in EA's use of licensing and their apparent commitment to career mode. Had HB simply addressed career mode scores, I'd be a bit more interested in seeing what they can do for an encore to 2K21.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    The thing with 2K21 is that I enjoyed much of it (I absolutely love designing courses and playing all the works of other designers), but the parts that mattered to me were so bad and so unpolished (career mode, obviously, and the weak PGA Tour integration). Not to mention, HB doesn't fix really any issues with the game post release.
    I feel much more confident in EA's use of licensing and their apparent commitment to career mode. Had HB simply addressed career mode scores, I'd be a bit more interested in seeing what they can do for an encore to 2K21.

    For me, I never went too far in career mode. Maybe a handful of events. But I enjoyed playing rounds on the official courses and looking for the best user generated ones. The gameplay was solid enough for me. Especially when they unlocked 60fps for the PS5
    It was a good way to decompress after a night at work. I think with the Tiger signing, the course designer is going to get the axe in the next installment.
    jbd345
    All 3 where also in Rory. Wouldn’t count a victory just yet. And that was as bare bones as you can get.
    I'm right there with you. After Rory, I'm in no rush whatsoever to pick up this one.
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    SuperBowlNachos
    I am late on hearing this new. Very shocked to hear 2K and EA will both now be in the GOLF game. Yet we still only have one good NBA and MLB game.

    Strange times we live in, no? ;)
    I have fired up another career in Rory just based on the recent renewed interest in the genre. The game is not bad, it's just sort of bare-bones and really 'video gamey'...I mean, I know that being able to play a whole round in 20 minutes is a feature for most, but for me, it really fails to capture the sort of methodical, thinking man's game that golf is in real life. I'm not saying there should be mandatory cut scenes of guys lining up putts, but there should be a lot more to think about on each shot than just "pull trigger back straight, push trigger up straight". You can play a whole round without ever even looking at the screen and do just fine.
    Even the green circle thing is sort of dumb, because I stopped looking at it after a round or two, once you realize the timing is always the same, and there are no reasons for a half-swing or 1/4 swing or anything like that. And despite having 3-4 different shot types, you can win any tournament in the game without ever using anything other than default.
    Don't even get me started on the wildly out-of-place reactions to 2-putt pars when you're 7 strokes back. And what's the deal with the wildlife all over the course? Why waste processing power putting alligators and foxes all over, especially when it leads to ridiculous situations like a moose walking right into the middle of the fairway while I'm squaring up my approach? (I really wish I would have captured a video of that moment LOL)
    Anyway, sorry to stray...I am looking forward to EA's offering, but my impression of their golf game offerings has not been favorable since "PGA Tour Gold" on the PC 20 years ago. But I will come with an open mind.
    Irony is I played a couple of courses like that. I used to play after dinner for a quick 18, deers were all over the place. Those courses had apple trees and they were feeding there. Had to wait as a mother was just standing in the middle of the fairways waiting for her 2 little to cross over. One time, a big buck was just laying on the middle of the green on one of the hole. On 17th at one of the course, there was a big apple tree right in left front of the green, feeding there.
    Anyway, didn't mind it real life and not in the game either. On one of the course, I was meeting coyotes quite often. That was not as nice. On Rory, the Majors are the thinking courses. Have to play defensive if not it's going to be 3 putts or more. One of the thing I didn't like about this game, it's the way the ball was reacting right off the putter blade on a breaking putt. I really hope they fix that.
    I've definitely seen wildlife out on the course, but I've never seen a 12-point buck saunter into the middle of the fairway during a PGA Tour event. And I've seen a fox or two out on the course, but not a huge gaggle of them hanging out at the US Open venue. Anyway, minor point, but it just seemed like a detail that was not needed when there was so much else that required attention in the game.
    Agree about the putting and breaks happening right off. Also, the character creator was really poor - you can't customize anything, really.
    I definitely hope they incorporate some "specialness" into the majors, as opposed to them just being another tournament with added commentary. I mean, if you're going to bother to get all of the majors in your game, might as well do it right.
    I always felt like if you were okay with 3 click swing Rory was acceptable to play. I never did really get into it too much after buying it though. Every once in a while I'll fire it up and it seems better to me now than it was then if I 3 click. I can't stand the analog interface with this game though.
    TheBrew101
    I always felt like if you were okay with 3 click swing Rory was acceptable to play. I never did really get into it too much after buying it though. Every once in a while I'll fire it up and it seems better to me now than it was then if I 3 click. I can't stand the analog interface with this game though.

    I agree with this. I'm still a 3-click truther myself.
    TheBrew101
    I always felt like if you were okay with 3 click swing Rory was acceptable to play. I never did really get into it too much after buying it though. Every once in a while I'll fire it up and it seems better to me now than it was then if I 3 click. I can't stand the analog interface with this game though.

    Ended up playing Rory with 3 click. I would prefer to play with the stick. As ugly as 2k21 is compared to EA Rory the addition of numerous difficulties is one thing they did right along with a decent putting interface. Hoping EA does something along those lines.
    I always played Rory with the 3 click swing. I actually fired it up last night and played a few rounds and I can see a number of positives compared to 2K21. Played a tournament in career mode and it was nice seeing a relaistic leaderboard lol.
    The things I don't really care for in Rory is I think the ball physics feel off. The bounces you get don't seem very realistic to me and the way the ball rolls on the greens doesn't feel even close to natural. For some reason the player models seem off to me. I cant quite put my finger on it but I think they can improve them. Then lastly the sound of club impact is horrendous. I wouldn't think it would be hard to get that right. Yet most golf games get this wrong. Makes me wonder if anyone developing the games actually play golf.
    Having said that I have a lot of optimism for the new game. With adding Augusta/Pebble back they have already made a huge stride forward. If they can tweak the issues I mentioned above it will easily be the greatest golf game to me.
    drewzer300
    I always played Rory with the 3 click swing. I actually fired it up last night and played a few rounds and I can see a number of positives compared to 2K21. Played a tournament in career mode and it was nice seeing a relaistic leaderboard lol.
    The things I don't really care for in Rory is I think the ball physics feel off. The bounces you get don't seem very realistic to me and the way the ball rolls on the greens doesn't feel even close to natural. For some reason the player models seem off to me. I cant quite put my finger on it but I think they can improve them. Then lastly the sound of club impact is horrendous. I wouldn't think it would be hard to get that right. Yet most golf games get this wrong. Makes me wonder if anyone developing the games actually play golf.
    Having said that I have a lot of optimism for the new game. With adding Augusta/Pebble back they have already made a huge stride forward. If they can tweak the issues I mentioned above it will easily be the greatest golf game to me.

    Don't forget when Rory was released.
    The grass textures are off in Rory as well. Like, there's no "first cut" of longer fairway/shorter rough, and that leads to weird looking holes (especially noticeable on the Scottish links courses, which look really bad in the game) where there is fairway and then longer whispy grass with no intermediate cut.
    Anyway...I've been playing a ton of Rory the last few nights to re-remind myself of everything I like and do not like about EA's interpretation of golf. I really hope they go more "sim", though, and get people that actually play/love golf working on the game. One of the things that really sticks out to me on replaying the game is how it seems like the people that made it don't really play or watch a lot of golf. Maybe that's wrong, but that's the impression that I get overall.
    pietasterp
    The grass textures are off in Rory as well. Like, there's no "first cut" of longer fairway/shorter rough, and that leads to weird looking holes (especially noticeable on the Scottish links courses, which look really bad in the game) where there is fairway and then longer whispy grass with no intermediate cut.
    Anyway...I've been playing a ton of Rory the last few nights to re-remind myself of everything I like and do not like about EA's interpretation of golf. I really hope they go more "sim", though, and get people that actually play/love golf working on the game. One of the things that really sticks out to me on replaying the game is how it seems like the people that made it don't really play or watch a lot of golf. Maybe that's wrong, but that's the impression that I get overall.

    Tiger Woods 08 on PC is still the most realistic golf game out there. Plus the thousands of community created real and fictional courses make it the best.
    bb9
    Tiger Woods 08 on PC is still the most realistic golf game out there. Plus the thousands of community created real and fictional courses make it the best.

    That was a good one, no doubt. I would throw a hat in the ring for Links 2004 on the original Xbox as one of the best console golf games to ever come out, but that's ground that's been covered before in this forum.
    JPS_Reno
    When -24 rounds are showing up on Day 1 at Augusta ppl will be once again reminded that game play is actually important to them :)

    This happens in any game, no matter the sport, no matter the developer. I mean, HB said that they would bet no one would shoot under par in their hardest difficulty level the first week after launch or something like that. And one of their streaming partners did it before the game even came out!
    Look at the scores on TGC Tours - these folks play on harder settings than most, and winning scores on even the lower levels are unrealistic. The current leader in their "Platinum" Tour (top flight) is at -39 after three rounds. They shot rounds of 57, 61, and 56 so far. And that's playing on "Master" level, which is the second most difficult in the game, with most visual aids off.
    So yes, while gameplay is important, it's not like the scores people shoot is indicative of the quality of the game in that regard.
    Pretty sure HB Shaun actually said that for the first day, not the first week. 
    If it wasn’t for the unfixed red fasts cheddar in 2K I’m not sure as many people would be going as low as we are seeing. In fact I’m sure we wouldn’t. 
    Besides, just because that’s how it’s always been in the past does not mean that’s how it should always be moving forward. There has to be progress. :)
    JPS_Reno
    Pretty sure HB Shaun actually said that for the first day, not the first week.*
    If it wasn’t for the unfixed red fasts cheddar in 2K I’m not sure as many people would be going as low as we are seeing. In fact I’m sure we wouldn’t.*
    Besides, just because that’s how it’s always been in the past does not mean that’s how it should always be moving forward. There has to be progress. :)

    Totally agree that the way it was in the past is not the way it should be in the future.
    And the fact he said no one wouldn't break par on legend difficulty on Day 1 is still silly, because it was broken before release.
    Anyway, you said that low scores are indicative of a game in which gameplay isn't important. My point was that, just because a game has low scores, doesn't mean the gameplay is bad. Take for example PGA 2K21. I like the gameplay in that game. But that doesn't mean people won't go low. Like you said, there's the cheesy "red fast" exploit that people use. HB is aware of it and said they won't fix it. People also play from the forward tees on courses so they can shoot in the 30s. That's cool, whatever makes them happy.
    So while gameplay in 2K21 is fine, it can be exploited to show insanely low scores on even the higher difficulty levels, pretty much like any other game can.
    Yep, understood and agree that in the video game world people are going to go lower than IRL every time. But on the highest levels of difficulty in a video game, it shouldn’t be the norm. 
    I don’t know anyone who went under par on Day 1 of 2k in Legend. Do you know who? I know a few who did so on the second day.  I wasn’t one of them lol. 
     The  gameplay in 2K still has some areas of concern besides the red fasts. Pitch shots and the easy chips are a couple. 
    I am disappointed that 2K/HB has not fixed any of that nor have they fixed the leaderboard issue. 
    In the same token, I was disappointed that EA never fixed issues in the last TW game like the invisible clubs thing. Also people using Hori controllers had huge advantages in most game modes. 
    Despite the pretty picture of Augusta on the box, I can’t get overly excited about EA getting back into golf yet. Looks good on paper but the substance remains to be seen. The silver lining is that it puts 2K/HB on notice to start dotting I’d and crossing t’s or else fold to EA. 
    I totally whiffed on this news. I thought EA was out of the golf game after they abandoned Rory's supposed two-year development cycle. I wonder if they'll go back to that idea with this game or if it becomes a one-off depending on sales. The Masters discusses "growing" golf and I understand how video games can do that. Hopefully that means they won't abandon this.
    That said, I'm reticent based on Rory's general emptiness. The game is fun for a quick-round and I played through an entire career, somehow, but it felt so lifeless. Not even a calendar. If they bring back the depth from TW games of the aughts and early teens, I'll get more excited, but that's not at all what I expect. Has EA ever brought a game back or renewed it with anything more than superficial, kiddie-pool depth? I can't think of any examples.
    We'll see. I've been wanting to play the official Masters for many years now, after TW '14 was the only game to ever have it, I think. That's a massive get. I'm sure they are betting on people buying the game for that reason alone.
    jwilphl
    I totally whiffed on this news. I thought EA was out of the golf game after they abandoned Rory's supposed two-year development cycle. I wonder if they'll go back to that idea with this game or if it becomes a one-off depending on sales. The Masters discusses "growing" golf and I understand how video games can do that. Hopefully that means they won't abandon this.
    That said, I'm reticent based on Rory's general emptiness. The game is fun for a quick-round and I played through an entire career, somehow, but it felt so lifeless. Not even a calendar. If they bring back the depth from TW games of the aughts and early teens, I'll get more excited, but that's not at all what I expect. Has EA ever brought a game back or renewed it with anything more than superficial, kiddie-pool depth? I can't think of any examples.
    We'll see. I've been wanting to play the official Masters for many years now, after TW '14 was the only game to ever have it, I think. That's a massive get. I'm sure they are betting on people buying the game for that reason alone.

    TW 12, 13, and 14 all had The Masters.
    I think the idea of Augusta on next gen consoles is a big time selling point. Not to mention EA is targeting the areas 2K21 is lacking in (playable pros, all four majors, etc).
    And I also share the concern over the typical EA "half baked" approach to some things, especially in recent games. I really hope they use those TW games of old as a staring point and design their new game to match that.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    TW 12, 13, and 14 all had The Masters.
    I think the idea of Augusta on next gen consoles is a big time selling point. Not to mention EA is targeting the areas 2K21 is lacking in (playable pros, all four majors, etc).
    And I also share the concern over the typical EA "half baked" approach to some things, especially in recent games. I really hope they use those TW games of old as a staring point and design their new game to match that.

    My biggest fear with ea is there will be at least one micro transaction heavy game mode in the game or one thing similar to the night club
    jbd345
    My biggest fear with ea is there will be at least one micro transaction heavy game mode in the game or one thing similar to the night club

    Just don’t play those modes, right?
    (Same as many other sports games with many modes of play)
    scagwi
    Just don’t play those modes, right?
    (Same as many other sports games with many modes of play)

    The issue with the microtransaction/card collecting modes is that they creep into and affect your experience with "offline" modes.
    Now, I don't know if other EA games like Madden of FIFA do that (I don't recall that they do, but it has been a couple years since I played those franchises), but I do know games like MLB The Show are kind of sneakily enticing their offline players into the Diamond Dynasty mode. Their March to October mode, if I remember right, directly tied into Team Affinity rewards in DD. And now, from what I read here, Road to the Show is even more connected to DD, too.
    I don't inherently think microtransactions and modes based on them are bad. In a lot of cases, as you said, they can be avoided. I just hope the career mode or other offline experiences are not directly tied into needing to "pay to play" or grind for an insane amount of time.
    scagwi
    Just don’t play those modes, right?
    (Same as many other sports games with many modes of play)

    If it’s anything like diamond dynasty were there are paths and ways to play vs the cpu and still get good content not behind a pay wall that’s fine. but EA’s track record tends to favor those modes development wise before say gameplay, career and franchise modes.
    Agreed...and even if it's an "Ultimate Team" mode, that's OK with me, too - as scagwi said, those can be avoided quite easily.
    Honestly, some would also say The Show is doing what you described EA as being guilty of - favoring those modes development wise before say gameplay, career and franchise modes. A lot of negativity came out when The Show held it's Franchise stream pre-release this year, due to the fact that Franchise once again got no major upgrades or updates, while Diamond Dynasty gets a lot of love and attention.
    I'd imagine golf being a different sort of animal when it comes to DLC. It isn't really well suited for an Ultimate Team/Diamond Dynasty kind of thing, since there are no teams. I'd imagine there will be the usual DLC courses, perhaps clothing and clubs, and that might be it.
    MrArlingtonBeach
    Agreed...and even if it's an "Ultimate Team" mode, that's OK with me, too - as scagwi said, those can be avoided quite easily.
    Honestly, some would also say The Show is doing what you described EA as being guilty of - favoring those modes development wise before say gameplay, career and franchise modes. A lot of negativity came out when The Show held it's Franchise stream pre-release this year, due to the fact that Franchise once again got no major upgrades or updates, while Diamond Dynasty gets a lot of love and attention.
    I'd imagine golf being a different sort of animal when it comes to DLC. It isn't really well suited for an Ultimate Team/Diamond Dynasty kind of thing, since there are no teams. I'd imagine there will be the usual DLC courses, perhaps clothing and clubs, and that might be it.

    I think The Show is a damn fine game but if I am being honest here except for some graphical improvements the game hasn't really changed much since MLB 09. Same wonky looking pitching deliveries. But really I think they are a victim of a game that looked and played pretty good for a decade.
    jwilphl
    I totally whiffed on this news. I thought EA was out of the golf game after they abandoned Rory's supposed two-year development cycle. I wonder if they'll go back to that idea with this game or if it becomes a one-off depending on sales. The Masters discusses "growing" golf and I understand how video games can do that. Hopefully that means they won't abandon this.
    That said, I'm reticent based on Rory's general emptiness. The game is fun for a quick-round and I played through an entire career, somehow, but it felt so lifeless. Not even a calendar. If they bring back the depth from TW games of the aughts and early teens, I'll get more excited, but that's not at all what I expect. Has EA ever brought a game back or renewed it with anything more than superficial, kiddie-pool depth? I can't think of any examples.
    We'll see. I've been wanting to play the official Masters for many years now, after TW '14 was the only game to ever have it, I think. That's a massive get. I'm sure they are betting on people buying the game for that reason alone.

    I mean, I was shocked EA **** the bed so hard on Rory, on a game that looked great and played well. So, yeah, the new game could be really bad.
    What’s really going on is, EA smells blood. NBA2K is not going down, but PGA2K is kind of a mess, and the Masters is a pretty easy card to play.
    I think they learned that they have to have a robust online community, like the old country clubs. That’s what killed Rory. That why no one was posting about their tournaments, and sharing stories from their club.
    The other thing I would add, which Tiger had for one release, and that’s constant score chasing on drives, putts, and scores on holes. Powerstar does it perfect, with constant updates of which friend you just beat for a long drive on a certain hole. And you get a message when they beat you.

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