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Question for theists: 
Posted on November 29, 2008 at 02:59 AM.
If you took 100 humans and isolated them from any culture from birth to death, would they believe in a supreme being or have any notion for any religion of any type?

We could section off a part of a forest which provided all the basics for survival.

*Hypothetical OBVIOUSLY

**Still poses a very interesting question.
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# 1 avrbas @ Nov 29
I think it still comes up but how many of them will believe in it? Not sure. It seems that alot of the isolated tribes explorers and scientists run into, the tribe/culture has their own set of views of life and death.. explaining things they readily go out and prove.
 
# 2 avrbas @ Nov 29
"explaining things they readily go out and prove." Edit: set of views of life and death to explain things they cant readily go out and prove. Wish we could edit blog comments.
 
# 3 pjv31 @ Nov 29
Christianity was told through the bible. So that's how most of us figured it out. Know what I am saying?
 
# 4 SPTO @ Nov 29
avrbas makes a good point but remember the isolated tribes come up with their own beliefs and such but they're often interlaced with some spiritualism. You can even go back into antiquity and see the Mayans who were a savage group but truly intellectual. They had religious beliefs that were very strong but it was mixed with their science and technology. Some "kooks" believe that the Mayans had contact and thus worshiped alien visitors! I wouldn't go that far but I do think they as well as modern tribes that are isolated from the world end up with a spiritual order even if it's not what we may view as Christianity.
 
# 5 rudyjuly2 @ Nov 29
I think many different tribes, races and religions from across the world all believe in a very similar thing. Even if it's not defined exactly the same way.
 
# 6 GoToledo @ Nov 29
Great question. I think that it is a prat of human nature to have to know the answers to life's questions. The ones we can't explain, like "What happens when we die?", well that's where religion comes in to play. I am sure these people would come up with some sort of belief to answer these unknowns.
 
# 7 stewaat @ Nov 29
Now what if we taught every person in this group about evolution? Let's say we took these 100 people and educated them. We gave them everything they would ever need and simply omitted religion. We taught them about Darwin, evolution, and anthropology.

Do you think they would still need to come up with a supreme being?
 
# 8 GoToledo @ Nov 29
Evolution only attempts to explain the beginning of life getting to the point were we are right now. It doesn't refute any existence of a supreme being. I would think that, yes, they would still come up with a supreme being.
 
# 9 SPTO @ Nov 29
Stewaat, even if you brought evolution tot he picture I think that would make some look for deeper meaning. as GoToledo says evolution is only a means to explain where we are at this present time.

Let's go all the way back to the creation of the earth and such. Intellectually we all understand what happened and such from a science perspective but then it leads some (like me) to wonder how could this all have happened in the first place. How could a solar system just be born and furthermore how in the hell did the Universe come to fruition?

You know what I'm saying? We all need to attempt to have a deeper understanding of everything because we just can't grasp at literal scientific origins of life, the universe and everything.
 
# 10 stewaat @ Nov 29
SPTO, I 100% agree that it would be great to know the origins of everything. But there is no evidence for anything! We just don't know and I rather not take a blind leap of faith believing in something which has no evidence backing it up.

What if in this group I gave them the notion of a flying spaghetti monster which created the universe and made them read the gospels of this monster every Sunday and hammered it home nonstop. What if I made it taboo to even question the monster's existence and claimed you simply needed to have "faith" and you would be saved when you died.

BTW GoToledo the existence of a supreme being has never had evidence for it. How can evolution disprove something which can't be confirmed as existing?

Atheists simply believe there is no supreme being because there is no evidence for one. I've said this a million times: The day there is legit proof for a supreme being I will hop on board!
 
# 11 Double Eights @ Nov 29
Stewaat, I don't know if I would consider you an atheist. An atheist is typically dead-set in their belief that there is no God, you sound like you don't believe simply because you don't know.

I think agnostic fits you better. It's what I consider myself to be.
 
# 12 stewaat @ Nov 29
Definition of an atheist: a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

I don't believe in the existence of a supreme being or beings, therefore I am an atheist.

IMO you can't be 100% sure something does not exist. It would be irrational to take the stance that there is 100% no supreme being.

Definition of agnostic: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

Agnostic means you are 50-50 just on the fence IMHO. Atheist means you are on the other side...I'm much closer to 100% than I am 50%. Theists means you are are on the opposite side of the fence of an atheist.

Neither atheists or theists can be 100% certain they are correct until evidence proves it.
 
# 13 RAZRr1275 @ Nov 29
A Theist can be 100% certain because of something we call the holy spirit.

Anyway back to the question I think that they would believe in a supreme being because if they weren't exposed to science they still need to answer the question that EVERYONE wants to know. Why are we here? A supreme being would be the easiest answer to think of.

If you taught them evolution then some would buy into it and others wouldn't. Your 100 people would be split into a 50/50 group.
 
# 14 stewaat @ Nov 29
Ok, let me rephrase what I said then:

No rational atheist or theist can be 100% they are correct until evidence proves it.

Evolution is not something you but into, so please quit saying that.

Evolution: a change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next.

All 100 in the group would learn evolution and understand it has a role in science/anthropology, it's not a story.
 
# 15 RAZRr1275 @ Nov 29
It won't be rational to you and chances are it never will be but to me and probably most to all of the religious people on this board it is.

Evolution is NOT a fact. It is a theory. And what's a theory. A story that seems to be the most logical explanation to the person creating it and that person's followers.
 

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