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After downing Florida, the Florida State Seminoles are a lock if they beat Duke.

It appears that all that needs to happen for the SEC's title streak to come to a close is for Ohio State and Florida State to both win this Saturday.

But there is a line of discussion coming mostly from ESPN's direction that suggests perhaps one-loss Auburn, if they were to beat Missouri, would get the shot over undefeated Ohio State, assuming they can beat Michigan State this Saturday.

What do you think? Should a one loss SEC Champion be taken ahead of Ohio State for the BCS Championship game? Sound off by voting in the poll to your right on the frontpage and above you in the forums!

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# 1 cmehustle @ 12/02/13 02:39 PM
If OSU struggles vs Michigan St., even though they are a top ten team and Auburn demolishes Mizzou then yes. Or even if Mizzou demolishes Auburn then Mizzou perhaps. But if OSU stomps Mich St then theyre in regardless.
 
# 2 jmaj315 @ 12/02/13 02:41 PM
if OSU and FSU are both undefeated they belong... i voted that we need to fast forward to playoff system...

Unfortunately all a playoff system is going to do is make us want an 8 team playoff... think about the top 4 teams, or at least who you think belongs there... its tough to rule out any of the top 10 really...
 
# 3 BigTone1970 @ 12/02/13 03:01 PM
Let's not lose sight of a.) How lucky a one-loss (should be three) Auburn really is and b.) How weak Missouri's schedule is. What is Missouri's signature win this season? 8-4 Georgia and Vanderbilt?? Maybe it's Murray State, Toledo, or Arkansas St. I am by no means an Alabama fan, but Nick Saban should have attempted the field goal from the 30 instead of going for it on 4th and 1. The SEC should only get a shot if either FSU or OSU loses.
 
# 4 The_Wise_One @ 12/02/13 03:52 PM
I'm a Mizzou fan and would love to see them go to the big one but it shouldn't happen. We are talking about Ohio State here, a top 5 program all time yet everyone is treating them like NIU or UCF. Are style points that important these days? Mizzou doesn't have a big win and Auburn has two of the flukiest wins I've ever seen. In my opinion, Georgia and Bama are still better teams than them. Ohio State has not lost a game in two years but they STILL aren't legit? I don't see many teams going undefeated even against the Big 10 for two full seasons. Ohio State should be in if they win, no question.
 
# 5 Chargers_Are_The_Bes @ 12/02/13 04:13 PM
Strength of schedule alone get auburn there and the SEC championship assuming they beat Mizzou. Ohio is in probably the weakest AQ conference in the nation lets see what that offense would do against Bama or Florida(Top ranked defense in SEC) Same thing for FSU the ACC has a hand full of "decent teams".To be honest I think Auburn should go My opinion though
 
# 6 cmehustle @ 12/02/13 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Wise_One
I'm a Mizzou fan and would love to see them go to the big one but it shouldn't happen. We are talking about Ohio State here, a top 5 program all time yet everyone is treating them like NIU or UCF. Are style points that important these days? Mizzou doesn't have a big win and Auburn has two of the flukiest wins I've ever seen. In my opinion, Georgia and Bama are still better teams than them. Ohio State has not lost a game in two years but they STILL aren't legit? I don't see many teams going undefeated even against the Big 10 for two full seasons. Ohio State should be in if they win, no question.
I dont know, the big ten has been pretty soft lately. The NFL doesnt seem to think much of the B1G either. 2013 NFL draft picks; SEC-63 B1G-22. Alabama - 9, undefeated Ohio State - 3. Rutgers had 7 guys drafted. No one wants another slaughter, which is exactly what we will see if FSU plays OSU.
 
# 7 AlterEgoDuane @ 12/02/13 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Chargers_Are_The_Bes
Strength of schedule alone get auburn there and the SEC championship assuming they beat Mizzou. Ohio is in probably the weakest AQ conference in the nation lets see what that offense would do against Bama or Florida(Top ranked defense in SEC) Same thing for FSU the ACC has a hand full of "decent teams".To be honest I think Auburn should go My opinion though
While strength of schedule is valid, you cannot use SOS to determine that when Auburn has one loss. Ohio State beat everyone in front of them. OSU can't help that the Big 10 sucks. It's not their fault. All they did was beat every team that was put in front of them. You can't punish OSU for having a bad conference schedule because they can't help that. They HAVE to play those teams. Auburn lost by 2 touchdowns, that's no fluke.

And if you want to make the argument that Ohio State should have 2 or 3 losses, of course they should. But, Auburn should also have 3 losses. These last two weeks they have won on fluky, once-in-a-lifetime plays. So, how are they a "better" team than OSU? It doesn't matter that OSU is a bad undefeated team. They still went undefeated. Auburn didn't. And yes, every team needs breaks to win the national championship. Florida State played a cupcake schedule this year, too. But, it's not FSU's fault the ACC is garbage outside of Clemson and Miami.

And how can someone say that OSU would have x-and-x record if they were in the SEC? We don't know that... because OSU isn't the SEC. Not only that, but SEC teams never go on the road. If you want to play a big non-conference game vs an SEC team, you either play on a "neutral" field or you go to the SEC team's stadium. So, they have built-in advantages, too.

There is no debate for undefeated. There is no argument. Alabama is a better team than Auburn. But, they lost. College football is HARD. It's tough to run the table. Really tough. That's why undefeated teams should be handsomely rewarded.

It doesn't matter who someone thinks is a "better" team. It's not about opinion. It's about results. Auburn doesn't have the results. Oregon might be the best two-loss team in the country. But they are still a two-loss team.

All a team can do is play who is on their schedule. If you don't like it, then try and get a home-and-home with OSU and Auburn or Alabama and then we can settle the debate on the field. But, good luck with that... the SEC won't play a true road game. And then they play cupcake FCS teams to get a free win, except Florida, hahahaha. But, I digress.

There is no reason Ohio State shouldn't be in the title game. They didn't lose. Auburn and Alabama did.
 
# 8 AlterEgoDuane @ 12/02/13 04:48 PM
Strength of schedule only matters in a tiebreak situation. If there were still 3 undefeated teams, I would agree that OSU would be left out because of strength of schedule, just like NIU is now. But, since OSU and FSU are the two undefeated teams, strength of schedule is no longer a tiebreaker.

Of course, this entire discussion is moot if OSU loses to MSU this Saturday night. And for those of you who want a playoff and BCS chaos and an SEC team in the title game, better go purchase your MSU gear now and root your tail off for them, lol. Then Auburn gets a shot if they win.
 
# 9 Crimsontide27 @ 12/02/13 05:04 PM
There is no way for both sides of the argument to ever agree. Both sides have valid reasons of choosing who goes to the MNC.

If everyone wins that is supposed to win, then you will have Auburn beating the #1 and #5 ranked opponents back to back.

If OSU wins, that will be the first time since 2009 that they will have played a top 10 school.

The Big 10 has been very weak for the past few seasons and their strength of schedule is a joke.

Be that as it may, I know its an argument that you will never convince the other side that you are right, no matter which side you are on. The playoff system the way they have it set up will most likely end up worse than what we currently experience.

On a personal level, I don't care either way. Urban Meyer lobbied for Florida to jump when they were a one loss team, and now hes lobbying against it. If OSU ever wants to be taken seriously, one of two things have to happen.

1) The Big 10 actually become relevant in football again and field multiple top ranked opponents so when and if OSU goes undefeated, it doesn't look like a joke

or

2) They quit getting embarrassed on the national stage when they do get their chance to play in a BCS game.
 
# 10 jyoung @ 12/02/13 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AlterEgoDuane
While strength of schedule is valid, you cannot use SOS to determine that when Auburn has one loss. Ohio State beat everyone in front of them. OSU can't help that the Big 10 sucks. It's not their fault. All they did was beat every team that was put in front of them. You can't punish OSU for having a bad conference schedule because they can't help that. They HAVE to play those teams. Auburn lost by 2 touchdowns, that's no fluke.
Regardless of the weakness of the Big Ten, Ohio State certainly could have helped their 64-ranked strength of schedule by playing some teams better than Florida A&M, Buffalo, San Diego St. and California out of conference.

If South Florida or Connecticut were undefeated right now, would people also want them in the title game?

Because both of those teams have played a tougher schedule this season than Ohio State.

Without the name on their jersey and the name of their head coach, Ohio State wouldn't even be in the discussion for the title game.
 
# 11 Jon1323 @ 12/02/13 05:41 PM
Hopefully MSU beats OSU and its end of story lol.
 
# 12 Jakeness23 @ 12/02/13 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Chargers_Are_The_Bes
Strength of schedule alone get auburn there and the SEC championship assuming they beat Mizzou. Ohio is in probably the weakest AQ conference in the nation lets see what that offense would do against Bama or Florida(Top ranked defense in SEC) Same thing for FSU the ACC has a hand full of "decent teams".To be honest I think Auburn should go My opinion though

I see why you used Bama as an example, but Florida?? Didn't they just lose to an FCS school that didn't even complete a pass and then get beat down by Fla St?
 
# 13 statum71 @ 12/02/13 06:54 PM
Are you guys serious??

Ohio State went unbeaten playing the likes of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Northwestern, Purdue, Iowa, Penn St. and schools like that.

Heck........Mississippi State can go unbeaten with that schedule.

No one can proclaim that team is better than Auburn, Mizzou, or even still Alabama. Period!!!
 
# 14 sparkdawg777 @ 12/02/13 07:08 PM
I have to side with the SEC on this one, but I think Ohio State still might be better than Auburn. I just don't agree with the "using SOS as tiebreaker" I mean OSU nearly got beat by a 7-5 Michigan team. Call me bias but I think there are at least 10 other teams that could have gone undefeated with OSU's schedule. If you let them in you are saying it is ok to have a weak schedule and just wait for all the SEC teams to beat each other.

Bottom line is we need a playoff.
 
# 15 svedda @ 12/02/13 07:52 PM
Florida State has a worse SOS than Ohio State but don't let facts get in the way of an angry SEC mob...
 
# 16 sarlndr @ 12/02/13 08:45 PM
What svedda said, nobody is talking about how "soft" the ACC is when talking about FSU but the B1G is taking a beating in the press, which it should. Even as an Ohio State fan, it's true, the B1G isn't what it used to be years ago but that's not Ohio State's fault.

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Ohio is in probably the weakest AQ conference in the nation lets see what that offense would do against Bama or Florida(Top ranked defense in SEC)

Georgia Southern had zero passing yards and 429 yards rushing. It might have been a let down game or whatever but Ohio State isn't Georgia Southern.

If both FSU and OSU win out then they deserve to be playing for the NC in January, it's that simple. No beat down of MSU is required for this to happen, all they have to do is win. Will they win? I sure hope so and I want them to but we'll have to wait until Saturday to find out.

I'm proud of what they have accomplished but not arrogant enough to think they are world beaters, not with that D.
 
# 17 jyoung @ 12/03/13 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by svedda
Florida State has a worse SOS than Ohio State but don't let facts get in the way of an angry SEC mob...
FSU plays Florida every year out of conference. This just happens to be the one year out of the last twenty that Florida's team is awful.

OSU hasn't scheduled a non-conference opponent of Florida's caliber since 2009 when they hosted USC.

Plus FSU is destroying every team they've played, including a dominating road win against #11 Clemson.

OSU, conversely, has let bad to mediocre teams like California, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, et al. hang around with them and put up lots of points.

That is why few people question FSU's spot in the title game, while many question OSU's.
 
# 18 TheBusinessHarp @ 12/03/13 12:30 AM
I think Florida State is an automatic lock

but as for a 1 loss SEC Champion I think it all depends on how Ohio State plays

If Ohio States beats a very good Michigan State team then they should play for the NC

but if Ohio State squeaks by Mich State and Auburn/Missouri has a good win in the SEC Championship they give them the shot.

I think overall Ohio State should play in the NC. Its not their fault they haven't played as good of teams but they have beaten everyone they have played and besides Michigan has beaten them very well. I think they deserve to play in the National Championship.

This isn't a Notre Dame team who beat Pitt in 3 OT and Barely got past BYU and Michigan, this Ohio State has had some quality wins not the competition but they have been winning games decisively.

Plus if we get a one loss SEC team and they get beat and OSU wins out we will always say "Well Ohio State deserved to be in the National Championship"
 
# 19 EvanRG @ 12/03/13 09:59 AM
As a disclaimer, I am an avid Ohio State fan. That being said, here's my thoughts:

Ohio State has one of the best offenses in the country. I think that would be hard to argue, what with Braxton Miller and Carlos Hyde as a 1-2 punch and their sheer ability to score on practically every drive. They also have one of the best offensive lines in the country and a hall of fame coach.

Where they've struggled all year is on the defensive-side of the ball - mostly their secondary. Offensively, some silly turnovers late in games has also kept teams in games.

Is Ohio State the best team in country? On paper, probably not. In fact, I believe that Alabama is the best team in the country by a long-shot - but as the old adage goes: games aren't won on paper.

Auburn, well I think Auburn is a great team that has been extremely fortunate the past two weeks - but they won, so they deserve to be where they're at.

I truly believe this 2013 Buckeye team is different from the '07 and '09 squads that were beaten by SEC teams. I would love a shot in the National Championship against an SEC team because I think we can hang with anybody and if our defense can just hold serve - we can win. But if our consolation prize is Alabama in the orange bowl, I'd be fine with that. Just please, dear God, don't give us the boring Rose Bowl against an Arizona State team that would just not get me excited.
 
# 20 jeremym480 @ 12/03/13 12:12 PM
Let's just go ahead a skip ahead to a 4 team playoff please.

 

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