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Out of the Park Baseball 2007, the last game to get a 10 here at OS.

May 7, 2007. That is the last day we've had a game rated a perfect 10 out of 10 here at OS.

Granted, a lot has changed since then, including how we use the review scale -- but we've honestly had games come very close to the 10 mark a few times.

Most recently NBA 2K13 and Football Manager 2013 came close. Out of the Park Baseball has been a 9.5 game three year's running. But we all know review scores are subjective and are one persons experience with a specific game.

Our question to you today, do you believe a perfect sports game exists or do you believe review scales should be tweaked with imperfection in mind? Let's face it, we're all seeing the plethora of perfect scores Grand Theft Auto V is getting and we're left wondering: why not sports?

Sound off by voting in our poll to your right on the frontpage and above you in the forums!

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# 1 drk3351 @ 09/18/13 10:27 AM
There will always be gripes, so no, a game can never be perfect
 
# 2 xandermole25 @ 09/18/13 10:52 AM
pes with football manager's database and better goalies
 
# 3 Bryzine21 @ 09/18/13 11:01 AM
I think a perfect sports game is definitely possible but may never happen. The publishers will not want it to happen because the follow up game the next year will not have any selling points.
 
# 4 rangerrick012 @ 09/18/13 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Profit89
A game can easily reach perfection... but only one way. By bringing it to PC, where the user can actively customize the game to his liking. Everyone has different tastes and preferences, and until you bring your game to an open platform that allows the end user to tailor the game exactly to his particular liking with Mods and such, then the game will always remain mediocre.
Well that's a narrow minded point of view. There have plenty of great console sports games, moreso than PC. Most users just don't have the time/energy it takes to mod a game to their definition of 'perfection'. But games like FIFA & 2K are consistently great on the consoles without mods.

Perfect? No. But I believe there's no such thing, there's always going to be something off, no matter how small it is, be it gameplay related or art related. Saying console games are always going to be 'mediocre' is just farcical nonsense on your part though.
 
# 5 Majingir @ 09/18/13 11:44 AM
Nothing can be called perfect cause there'll always be someone saying something negative about it and there'll always be people(even those who like it) that have at least 1 thing to criticize it on.

Same goes for anything, tv shows, music, movies and so on. Even the most watched movies and tv shows get bashed alot by others. Video games will be the same.
 
# 6 DiscountCleric @ 09/18/13 11:48 AM
Upon the only path to perfection is a game where, upon the announcement of the next iteration, the major advances are things I didn't know I wanted until I heard them announced.
 
# 7 GlennN @ 09/18/13 12:47 PM
I don't think it can ever be done, as development would be way too expensive, but it would have to be done through extensive sliders and customizable options. After all, everybody wants something different from a game. Some people want more sim, some less; some people want it harder, some easier; some want single player, some multi-player; some want attributes to matter 100%, some want attributes to matter little, etc. Maybe the real problem is that sliders (despite their design and intention) do not solve many of these problems.
 
# 8 RandyBass @ 09/18/13 01:04 PM
Perfect? I don't know, but I definitely think a sports game worthy of a 10/10 is possible. For example if The Show got a little more robust franchise mode or GM mode, then dropped in a stadium creator on top of that I think it might be worthy of a perfect 10 score.
 
# 9 Benz87 @ 09/18/13 01:24 PM
It is not possible to produce a sports game that plays perfect compared to real life, but every game I’ve played certainly has simple improvement that can be made to enhance the experience. This can be anything from simple gameplay tweaks to stat tracking and menu option/set-up.

We can all theorize why these changes are not made or implemented, but if someone has the frame of mind that makes them capable of viewing from purely a business aspect, which I believe at times we all forget that this is how the game producers view the market, the theorizing becomes much clearer.
 
# 10 NightmareBooster @ 09/18/13 01:39 PM
I wanted to go with There is no such thing as perfection but that's painfully obvious. Rather I don't think it's possible simply because in sports games we're asking hardware/software to perfectly mimic the actions of human beings. Player behavior in sports games are governed by scripts, algorithms, animations, etc. When was the last time anything about you or they way you played a sport was governed the same way?
 
# 11 BurghFan @ 09/18/13 01:43 PM
It's a matter of perspective. To individual gamers, yes. There have probably already been games that some individual gamers have thought were perfect. To the masses, no. No matter how perfect a game may seem, there will always be some group of people complaining about some aspect of the game regardless of how trivial it may seem to others.
 
# 12 speels @ 09/18/13 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NightmareBooster
I wanted to go with There is no such thing as perfection but that's painfully obvious. Rather I don't think it's possible simply because in sports games we're asking hardware/software to perfectly mimic the actions of human beings. Player behavior in sports games are governed by scripts, algorithms, animations, etc. When was the last time anything about you or they way you played a sport was governed the same way?
To piggy back on this, I think sports games are held to an unrealistic standard and compared to something that is real life so closely that with the current ratings scheme we will never see a perfect score for a sports game. That being said, I have a different way of looking at things. A perfect game for me is one that I can put countless ours into playing and enjoy my free time how I want to. When I judge a game that way, there have actually been a few perfect games in my mind. Do sports simulate real life? No, and they never will because of something called "free will".

No AI is ever going to have the ability to think like a human, and I think player forget that. They want a game where, to use hockey as an example, there are 40 players playing in a game and multiple coaches, refs, fans, etc and every single one of them can make independent decisions based on the situation. That will never happen!! There is no way that in the NHL series EA could have 600+ different "characters" with 600+ different personalities, it's impossible.

I would also like to compare a sports title to GTA5, which you did in you question. I understand GTA5 got a lot of perfect scores, however, if we judged it by the same standards that we judge sports games by, would it have even gotten close? I say no. Let me explain, we want sports to simulate a real life situation, however in GTA5 that would not work, and here's why. I started a game last night and in the first 5 minutes, I was shot at least 10 times, and didn't die. As a matter of fact, as I was going, I was actually gaining back health by just staying alive. Now, I have never been shot, and I pray I never am, but my guess is that after being shot 10 times, I would probably either be dead or not able to move. Now, imagine a video game where, once you got shot you either died, or had to be taken to the hospital and recuperate for at least 8 weeks.......sounds like a million doolar seller!! It's not and that is why they don't do it.

Many people give that situation in a game like GTA5 a pass because they want to be entertained and reality doesn't matter as much, however when it comes to sports games, if Sidney Crosby doesn't have the proper curve on his stick people are ready to throw the game under the bus and say it sucks. (I exaggerate for effect )

So again, I say that because of how we view these games, there will never be a perfect sports game because we have something very real to compare it with and technology will never, ever be able to reproduce reality.
 
# 13 canesfins @ 09/18/13 02:35 PM
The fan base is just too big and diverse. Theirs a ton of players that want the most realistic sim game possible and won't settle for less. Then there's the casual player that just wants to have fun and doesn't care about sim style or thinks the game is too hard if its too realistic.

I would love a game to make a diverse difficulty settings that would give the player the option of what kind of game play they want, either sim or just casual.
 
# 14 nusie @ 09/18/13 03:16 PM
What may be a perfect game to me, may not be a perfect game to someone else. Therefore, I chose, "What is perfect anyway?"

Take for example, I think The Show 12 is more perfect than say Player B and Player C. There may be things in the game that I think make it a helluva game and don't see any flaws whereas User B has gripes and User C has even more gripes. Also, to further perfect the game, there may be features I want in, but User B and User C might think those features aren't needed and that there should be different features instead because to them, those features are what would make the game perfect for them.

Perfection is all a matter of opinion. And until every single one of us is on the same brain wavelength on what we think is perfect and what isn't perfect, than unfortunately, no game will ever really be "perfect."
 
# 15 SHAKYR @ 09/18/13 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MMChrisS

Out of the Park Baseball 2007, the last game to get a 10 here at OS.

May 7, 2007. That is the last day we've had a game rated a perfect 10 out of 10 here at OS.

Granted, a lot has changed since then, including how we use the review scale -- but we've honestly had games come very close to the 10 mark a few times.

Most recently NBA 2K13 and Football Manager 2013 came close. Out of the Park Baseball has been a 9.5 game three year's running. But we all know review scores are subjective and are one persons experience with a specific game.

Our question to you today, do you believe a perfect sports game exists or do you believe review scales should be tweaked with imperfection in mind? Let's face it, we're all seeing the plethora of perfect scores Grand Theft Auto V is getting and we're left wondering: why not sports?

Sound off by voting in our poll to your right on the frontpage and above you in the forums!
It takes the depth of a manager type game to create a perfect game. Game companies mess up trying to please to many people. They focus too much on the casual fans and then the hardcore sports gaming fan last. They build everything around the the idea that hardcore fans will accept some things that are right.
 
# 16 speels @ 09/18/13 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAKYR
It takes the depth of a manager type game to create a perfect game. Game companies mess up trying to please to many people. They focus too much on the casual fans and then the hardcore sports gaming fan last. They build everything around the the idea that hardcore fans will accept some things that are right.
Fair enough, but I would say casual fans make up over 80% of the people that buy the game.
 
# 17 SHAKYR @ 09/18/13 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by speels
Fair enough, but I would say casual fans make up over 80% of the people that buy the game.
Casual fans are 80% of the purchasers of sports games?!? I think not. If that is the case games like the two failed NBA LIVE games would have came out and surpassed NBA 2K. Fight Night Champion was casual fan friendly and sold much lower than expected.
The sports game demographic is more hardcore than casual but game companies will make you believe it's not. Da_Czar SimNation proves that the sim fan base is very huge, he has companies listening.
 
# 18 BA2929 @ 09/18/13 09:42 PM
If we're asking for a unanimous "This game is perfect" from everyone, that just isn't ever going to happen. Someone will always find something wrong. That's just the way it is. If the RB for whatever team is just 5lbs overweight or a uniform has a patch that isn't 100% perfect, someone will find it and complain about it.

Perfection will never be attained in any video game ever.
 
# 19 weaponz248 @ 09/19/13 06:38 AM
Not a chance.

What I consider perfect might not be what you consider perfect. People's opinions vary greatly, which is awesome. However there is no way to please everyone.
 
# 20 gigadkc @ 09/19/13 07:28 AM
there are no perfect games and there will probably never be perfect games.

Some games come pretty close though. PYS is the best "on the field" simulation of all sports so far imo, Football Manager the best "off the field" simulation by a mile. iRacing is pretty awesome too but it also has it's weaknesses.
 

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