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MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

01:48 PM - February 12, 2013 by Russell_SCEA

There will be a post with images about this later, but I figured a little teaser never hurt anyone.

If you didn't know, we changed the way we rate players and every position weigh different attributes differently. Before the change the game had 44 players rated 99 or higher. After the change there are 17, here is a little taste.

In no particular order.

T.Tulowitzki 99
A.Pujols 99
R.Braun 99
J.Hamilton 99
M.Cabrera 99
C.Kimbrel 99
C.Kershaw 99
A.Chapman 99
S.Strasburg 99
F.Hernandez 99
J.Verlander 99
B.Posey 99
M.Kemp 99
R.Cano 99
A.McCutchen 99
M.Trout 99
C.Gonzalez 99

J.Votto just missed the cut at a 98.

Second Baseman Top 5

Robinson Cano 99
Dustin Pedroia 98
Ian Kinsler 95
Brandon Phillips 93
Jose Altuve 90

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# 221 brewersfan84 @ 02/16/13 04:46 PM

For everyone complaining about the ratings, SHUT UP ALREADY!! Thank you Ramone, for sharing this with us, it's too bad people can't handle information in the same way you gave it out, with respect and decency!

# 222 CMH @ 02/16/13 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by brewersfan84


	For everyone complaining about the ratings, SHUT UP ALREADY!! Thank you Ramone, for sharing this with us, it's too bad people can't handle information in the same way you gave it out, with respect and decency!

I can tell you right now this is not how to get it done.

Telling people to shut up doesn't provide the effect you might be desiring.

Sent from my mobile device.

# 223 HustlinOwl @ 02/21/13 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_SCEA


	There will be a post with images about this later, but I figured a little teaser never hurt anyone. If you didn't know, we changed the way we rate players and every position weigh different attributes differently. Before the change the game had 44 players rated 99 or higher. After the change there are 17, here is a little taste. In no particular order. T.Tulowitzki 99 A.Pujols 99 R.Braun 99 J.Hamilton 99 M.Cabrera 99 C.Kimbrel 99 C.Kershaw 99 A.Chapman 99 S.Strasburg 99 F.Hernandez 99 J.Verlander 99 B.Posey 99 M.Kemp 99 R.Cano 99 A.McCutchen 99 M.Trout 99 C.Gonzalez 99 J.Votto just missed the cut at a 98. Second Baseman Top 5 Robinson Cano 99 Dustin Pedroia 98 Ian Kinsler 95 Brandon Phillips 93 Jose Altuve 90

so how about those images???

# 224 Perfect Zero @ 02/21/13 08:36 PM

This whole conversation is why I've always been for hiding the numbers.

# 225 Hayman19 @ 02/21/13 09:14 PM

I never understood the issue with ratings in a game that lets you fully edit any players individual ratings. Simple, if you do not agree, just edit them. The only time it would really be an issue is online but they arent that off to be making a big deal about.

# 226 pistolpete @ 02/21/13 09:22 PM

Strasburg (a starting pitcher) has pitched 250 innings in his career and he is a 99 OVR.

What are the odds the Reds are overrated and come away with an overrated minor league system?

There is no team in sports who has had a more over-rated farm system than the Reds traditionally. On the 2k12 re-rate they are a 98 overall. I still remember their crowded outfield of Wily Mo Pena and Joanna Kearns.

# 227 TrainerMatt21 @ 02/21/13 10:03 PM

Happy Dusty got some love at 2nd base, guy tears his body up every year with how hard he plays (still only active 2nd baseman with an MVP I think). When Cano plays to his potential, no better combination of offense/defense in the middle infield, but yes, Votto needs some more love.

Don't care about the actual numbers, but when comparing him to others at the same position, probably the best out there. I enjoy seeing how these ratings translate to actual gameplay and appreciate the "taste," thank you Ramone.

# 228 vinny_77 @ 02/21/13 11:15 PM

Does a higher rating necessarily mean superiority? The best measure of a hitter that we have IMHO is OBP and SLG, with OBP being about 3 times more important than SLG. By which, Votto is a superior hitter. His stats over the last 2 seasons OBP/ SLG 474/567 and 416/531 respectively. While Pujols had 343/516 and 366/541 respectively. Clearly, Votto is the superior hitter, but Pujols had the best start to a career in history. Isn't it enough to acknowledge that they're both great baseball players? This new ratings system doesn't effect gameplay at all.

# 229 MrOldboy @ 02/22/13 12:14 AM

Messing around with the ratings in MLB 12 since I was curious how players could be ranked in the manage roster menu if they were the same rating.

So we already know that the game doesn't differentiate between players rated at max, 99. It considers all 99's the same as far as I can tell. A 99 with all 90 ratings is the same as all 99 ratings.

It sorts by alphabetical order of last name. And for some reason lowercase letters are after all uppercase ones so Z is before a.

Probably already known, but I was just curious to see how it would rank them since I thought maybe something else could determine the displayed ranking like potential, age, or position.

# 230 nomo17k @ 02/22/13 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MrOldboy


	Messing around with the ratings in MLB 12 since I was curious how players could be ranked in the manage roster menu if they were the same rating. So we already know that the game doesn't differentiate between players rated at max, 99. It considers all 99's the same as far as I can tell. A 99 with all 90 ratings is the same as all 99 ratings. It sorts by alphabetical order of last name. And for some reason lowercase letters are after all uppercase ones so Z is before a. Probably already known, but I was just curious to see how it would rank them since I thought maybe something else could determine the displayed ranking like potential, age, or position.

'Z' is before 'a' because computer tends to sort characters by their ASCII codes (90 for Z and 97 for a), so they are likely simply sorted by player names when they have the same OVR.

Perhaps the similar reason is why catchers with 1.000 fielding percentage tend to win Gold Glove when they belong to the AL/NL East division... the game is sorting players by the team they belong when several players are tied for the award selection.

# 231 DanH35 @ 02/22/13 08:04 AM

When you are comparing Votto and Pujols, are you taking into account where they play most of their games? According to the 2012 park factors, Cincinnati is the 8th best hitters park, Anaheim is 27th. In 2011, Cincinnati was 8th, and St. Louis was 25th. It might not make up the whole difference, but it does factor in their performances.

# 232 Cavicchi @ 02/22/13 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pistolpete


	Strasburg (a starting pitcher) has pitched 250 innings in his career and he is a 99 OVR. What are the odds the Reds are overrated and come away with an overrated minor league system? There is no team in sports who has had a more over-rated farm system than the Reds traditionally. On the 2k12 re-rate they are a 98 overall. I still remember their crowded outfield of Wily Mo Pena and Joanna Kearns.

Yes, that one also bugs me. Strasburg has not had one season of 200+ innings and a sub 3.00 ERA. Last season, he finished poorly. While he may do it this year, we still do not know for certain.

# 233 MrOldboy @ 02/22/13 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DanH35


	When you are comparing Votto and Pujols, are you taking into account where they play most of their games? According to the 2012 park factors, Cincinnati is the 8th best hitters park, Anaheim is 27th. In 2011, Cincinnati was 8th, and St. Louis was 25th. It might not make up the whole difference, but it does factor in their performances.

Votto actually has hit better on the road during his career. He has hit a few more HRs at home overall though. But he actually hit more HRs away during his big 2010 and 11 years and overall hit better on the road even with his favorable home park factor.

Pujols has a fairly varied home away split, but its hard to say if he hit better at home or away. He hit more home runs away, but drove in more runs, had more doubles (probably due to the less HRs) and had a higher OBP at home.

Overall their splits are not wildly different, but you can see some things that make sense. Like Pujols having more doubles at home but more HRs away.

# 234 sink4ever @ 02/22/13 10:48 AM

So here's the thing for the people complaining about who does/doesn't have a 99 overall. If the game ships and you buy it and sim/play a season and that player's stats are spot-on, does it really matter if they're rated higher/lower than another player? It's really just a number. As long as the game plays/sims correctly, is there really any reason to get all upset about it?

# 235 pistolpete @ 02/22/13 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sink4ever


	So here's the thing for the people complaining about who does/doesn't have a 99 overall. If the game ships and you buy it and sim/play a season and that player's stats are spot-on, does it really matter if they're rated higher/lower than another player?

Correct, but it looks silly.

# 236 MrOldboy @ 02/23/13 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sink4ever


	So here's the thing for the people complaining about who does/doesn't have a 99 overall. If the game ships and you buy it and sim/play a season and that player's stats are spot-on, does it really matter if they're rated higher/lower than another player? It's really just a number. As long as the game plays/sims correctly, is there really any reason to get all upset about it?

I think part of it is that people feel a player does not deserve a 99 or another player deserves it because that 99 will reflect in the simmed stats. They see Strasburg at 99 and expect him to have 99 type stats, like a pitcher like Verlander who is also 99. It brings about comparisons when players max out at 99 like this I can understand why people would feel that way.

Is it not understandable that a person would be upset about Chapman and Strasburg being 99 and potentially having 99 type stats when they do not believe they will have those type of stats this season? Its a thread on a forum dedicated to a sports game, this is what people want to argue about so what's the harm in letting them do so?

# 237 Knight165 @ 02/23/13 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MrOldboy


	I think part of it is that people feel a player does not deserve a 99 or another player deserves it because that 99 will reflect in the simmed stats. They see Strasburg at 99 and expect him to have 99 type stats, like a pitcher like Verlander who is also 99. It brings about comparisons when players max out at 99 like this I can understand why people would feel that way. Is it not understandable that a person would be upset about Chapman and Strasburg being 99 and potentially having 99 type stats when they do not believe they will have those type of stats this season? Its a thread on a forum dedicated to a sports game, this is what people want to argue about so what's the harm in letting them do so?

OMG numbered ratings need to go away.

M.K.
Knight165

# 238 cavs25 @ 02/23/13 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MrOldboy


	I think part of it is that people feel a player does not deserve a 99 or another player deserves it because that 99 will reflect in the simmed stats. They see Strasburg at 99 and expect him to have 99 type stats, like a pitcher like Verlander who is also 99. It brings about comparisons when players max out at 99 like this I can understand why people would feel that way. Is it not understandable that a person would be upset about Chapman and Strasburg being 99 and potentially having 99 type stats when they do not believe they will have those type of stats this season? Its a thread on a forum dedicated to a sports game, this is what people want to argue about so what's the harm in letting them do so?

You have been complaining every year right?

# 239 MrOldboy @ 02/23/13 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cavs25


	You have been complaining every year right?

This wasn't a complaint. I don't really care about the number ratings since they will be heavily edited by me or other roster makers before I go into any mode. But looking at the posts in this thread I completely understand why everyone has arguments one way or the other. People feared the number ratings would cause this and I think people should understand that some people care about them and its not like those people have no reason to care about the ratings. They will affect online play, that should be noted so for those into online modes the ratings matter.

# 240 Knight165 @ 02/23/13 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MrOldboy


	This wasn't a complaint. I don't really care about the number ratings since they will be heavily edited by me or other roster makers before I go into any mode. But looking at the posts in this thread I completely understand why everyone has arguments one way or the other. People feared the number ratings would cause this and I think people should understand that some people care about them and its not like those people have no reason to care about the ratings. They will affect online play, that should be noted so for those into online modes the ratings matter.

I'm not saying you were complaining.
I also agree about editing.

M.K.
Knight165

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