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Are you a gamer that refuses to play Madden and embrace older games? Check out the article from Patrick Hruby, of The Washington Times.

I know we have quite a few of these guys here at OS. What's your story?

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For the legion of control-pad jockeys who have made “Madden NFL” both an annual best-seller and a pop-culture phenomenon, Tuesday’s arrival of the franchise’s newest iteration had the makings of an unofficial national holiday: late-Monday-night purchasing lines outside electronics stores, a surge in online excitement and competitive trash talk, and a rash of dubious sick-day call-ins to work.

Now in its 23rd year, the “Madden” football video game has become nearly as much of a national obsession as the sport it simulates, with cumulative sales exceeding 70 million copies, a spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, a branded ESPN television series and numerous NFL players among the title’s devoted followers. Nevertheless, within the gaming community, there are hundreds - maybe thousands - of dissidents, united by a rejection of all things “Madden NFL.”

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# 1 LingeringRegime @ 08/30/11 07:21 PM
I got my first Madden game in High School back in 1992 (Sega Genesis).

But now, I refuse to play it because of failed promises, blatant lies, perpetual mediocrity, and institutionalized underachievement. I have been lied to since 2007 and in 2010 I said enough is enough.

Right now I play Backbreaker and APF 2K8, because I have to. Both games have their glaring faults as well, but at least they are doing well with what they have been given. I grade their efforts with a curve.

If Madden implements a new physics engine, I might think about buying again.
 
# 2 dophin26 @ 08/30/11 08:20 PM
Interesting article, but I feel like I wasted 20 minutes of my free time being interviewed for nothing. I recognize most of the names in that article and some of them aren't really even active in the online community anymore (not just OS). Sour grapes. I guess I won't be telling my friends and family to look it up.
 
# 3 bigsmallwood @ 08/30/11 09:54 PM
nice article! 2K5 for life!!!
 
# 4 sdrotar @ 08/30/11 11:31 PM
Just wanted to point this out, lest people thought I was poking fun of the 2K5ers - I believe (strongly) that NFL 2K5 was, and is, the pinnacle of football gaming. It's just long in the tooth now and shows it's age.

Obviously, the relationship between feature writer and editor is a complicated one, and I suspect that Mr. Hruby had a wider perspective in mind here that may have been altered somewhat. It's normal for a lot of any published article (especially in print, like the Washington Times) to lose at lot to the cutting floor - it's just the nature of the beast.

Nevertheless, it's definitely an interesting read, and one that carries a lot of weight on the date of Madden 12's launch.
 
# 5 Jaaa @ 08/31/11 12:31 AM
My story is that every single current gen Madden has been an absolutely awful representation of football. Period. (yes that includes 12)
 
# 6 Rickster101 @ 08/31/11 12:58 AM
Not a bad article I would have expected it to be a bit more in depth but he made the point in a positive way,I don't know about those guys who refuse to play Madden all most of us ever really wanted was an option and not be steered towards a one and only choice this is still America and as such I feel the deal was totally unfair but its all about the buisness/bucks and that company didn't think of the real fans who lose that option.

Oh by the way I did purchase Madden as I do every year and still enjoy 2k Football and editing rosters as I have a real passion for the game and plan on having fun with both.


A Fan Of 2k Football
Rickster101
 
# 7 Facts @ 08/31/11 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaaa
My story is that every single current gen Madden has been an absolutely awful representation of football. Period. (yes that includes 12)
Same story. It's weird to see the NCAA franchise flourish but their next door neighbors make some basic mistakes.
 
# 8 MrBallaBoy21 @ 08/31/11 04:26 AM
I'm trying to complete my 2k5 100%. all milestones, career stats, etc. I think Madden is playable, but I just don't like the fundamentals of the game, I feel they are too frustrating. So, I'll be focusing on 2k5 again this year.

Also, just started a Carolina franchise and got rookie Stephen Jackson and rookie Roy Williams. It will be a fun season
 
# 9 jmarcguy @ 08/31/11 06:46 AM
I used to love Madden but really enjoyed 2k when it became available for PS1. I just enjoyed the feel. I dumped Madden before when NFL Gameday came out but came back a yr later. I played 2k5 until last yr when I bought APF8. I rent Madden but just can't get into it. I don't like the feel. Depending on what I hear I may rent this yrs version. I haven't bought Madden since 2002 I think.
 
# 10 solofx7 @ 08/31/11 08:28 AM
I must admit that I have a bit of sour grapes because of only one developer making an NFL game. This is the first year that I have not gotten madden, mostly because the price is a tad bit high for very little changes.
 
# 11 DJ @ 08/31/11 08:37 AM
Nice to see an FSU Alumn in the story. I took a stand this year and decided not to buy Madden.
 
# 12 bigdnlaca @ 08/31/11 09:43 AM
Yesterday I traded Ncaa 12 for Madden because I am an offline player most of the time. I'm not a fanboy of ea at all as I liked 2k5 also. Ncaa 12 was good but I didnt like how the dynasty played out after the 5th or 6th year. I traded it in for Madden yesterday.

All I am going to say is that Madden 10 to me was the best Madden in this generation of consoles until I played this game. No game is perfect but with the community And your own tweaking of rules and sliders, it does what every game is suppose to do and that is to entertain. Some games make games too realistic that it becomes
boring. Madden is not to make every game realistic as possible, it is there for enjoyment. That is where it succeeded.
 
# 13 zanner @ 08/31/11 10:00 AM
I'm not sure that it's an exclusive NFL license that drives people to be negative about the Madden series or competition for that matter. That may be the reason stated, but I think when you really look at the Madden/NCAA series the real reason they're becoming more of a turn off each year than a turn on is that some of us who have played the series since the beginning are no longer young wide eyed 7 year olds that gets anxious and excited at the mere idea of "Madden". Quite frankly, I don't care to see super linebackers now for what, the 10th year now? Those are just a few, but they're the little things that can go a long ways.

I bought every Madden up until '10. I bought every NCAA up until this year. Reason being is that I don't necessarily think they are horrible games, I loved playing them - But I just didn't love them as much as I had in the past. The same problems still exist, the easy improvements that can make all the difference are looked over, and anything brought in new to improve a mode is done so half assed that it actually pisses you off at the indirect disrespect.

While other sports games and even other franchises within EA are improving; these games have been and are becoming more stagnant. I'm up in the air right now whether or not to purchase the new Madden. Part of me is happy I didn't fall for NCAA's blunder this year (bugs more so) and that runs into Madden as well from some of the comments I've been reading in trying to decide. Overall, the comments haven't been too too negative, in fact it sounds like a decent game which every Madden I've played has been at least decent. However, there comes a time where you feel as a long time customer that it shouldn't just be decent. This is the next gen, yet from the comments and blunders on commentary they're only a few steps ahead of Joe Montana football which was on a 16Bit machine. Read that last sentence : 16BIT MACHINES are a few steps behind what is being presented now in 2011.


And I guess that's what I'm getting at : We're not looking for some new technology that absolutely blows us away (although it would be nice). We're looking for improvements in things that show us that the developers, that the company we built these past 23 years, are who we thought they were. They're no longer the same guys that improve - They're guys that let outright, in your face bugs, glitches, and half assed efforts out. Again, I reiterate that I've enjoyed Madden's and NCAA's since the beginning - They still aren't THAT BAD of games, but to use another expression C'MON MANNN. Enough's enough and while I've never been near the level of some of the "haters"; I feel like I'm in the same group age wise and purchasing history wise that come off as "Madden Haters" ... At the end of the day I don't think they really HATE Madden; instead the expectation of a certain level of quality and fixes are higher than what's being created given that we've been 20+ years consumers. Not buying NCAA was a HUGE challenge for me, and a huge challenge for me but I filled the gap by playing FiFA non stop; In a wierd sense I feel disrespected by the NCAA and Madden teams, like I'm being thrown aside and not heard and replaced by the young wide eyed 7 year olds that DON'T get it. The guys with the gripes haven't changed in expectations, but the products being released have.
 
# 14 Eski33 @ 08/31/11 10:44 AM
2K5, for me, is best remembered for its presentation package. The highlights, commentary and The Crib. Gameplay wise it got boring blowing teams out.

Madden 12 is fun as ever. I have been gaming for 30+ years and I am not one to disect each game by reviewing replays 1,000 times to find flaws.

To each their own but I am having fun with Madden for the first time in years.
 
# 15 Bull_Dozer @ 08/31/11 11:22 AM
I still play Tecmo Super Bowl. I'm actually developing a "franchise mode" to be used with a modified TSB rom. I don't know if I'll buy Madden 12, it's not likely. The reviews are not impressing me. Things like player run outs at the start of the game seem like such a pointless feature to add when the core fundamental football gameplay needs a lot of work still.
 
# 16 Blzer @ 08/31/11 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dophin26
Interesting article, but I feel like I wasted 20 minutes of my free time being interviewed for nothing. I recognize most of the names in that article and some of them aren't really even active in the online community anymore (not just OS). Sour grapes. I guess I won't be telling my friends and family to look it up.
Yeah haha, I was talking with the guy for about thirty minutes, only to not be quoted. It's okay, maybe my points weren't relevant with his story. You don't just take two people, weave what they said around how you're going to piece it (or vice versa), and call it a day. You have to get a bunch of opinions in, and play "pick and choose."

I unfortunately won't be spreading this article, either.
 
# 17 jmik58 @ 08/31/11 04:18 PM
My "story" is that EA keeps dumping more polish and presentation on while the gameplay engine remains painfully flawed.

Older games used to be about how the game played from whistle to whistle. Now it's all about bright lights and the "experience".

Back in my day...
 
# 18 JayBee74 @ 08/31/11 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jmik58
My "story" is that EA keeps dumping more polish and presentation on while the gameplay engine remains painfully flawed.

Older games used to be about how the game played from whistle to whistle. Now it's all about bright lights and the "experience".

Back in my day...
That's me. As I mentioned in the Madden forums, I bought the early download, tried to like it, but now have no interest in buying the full game.
 
# 19 poorch @ 08/31/11 09:15 PM
if im buying an easports game this yr its gonna be NHL12
 
# 20 poorch @ 08/31/11 09:18 PM
i dont mean to bash easports but 2ksports knows NBALIVE has no chance yet every yr they find a way to better their product exponentially every yr... not just dink and dunk here and there
 

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