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The Sports Business Journal is reporting that the NFL and EA have come to terms on extending the current exclusive deal one more year with the uncertainty surrounding the 2011 NFL Season.

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"The NFL has restructured its lucrative licensing and sponsorship contract with Electronic Arts to account for the sport’s uncertain future, significantly reducing the video game maker’s contractual obligations next season but adding a year to the deal, according to several well-placed sources. The contract now runs through 2013.

The league is believed to have so far rebuffed pleas for fee reductions from other licensees and sponsors, many of which, like EA, find it difficult planning for the next season under the threat of a work stoppage. The league’s collective-bargaining agreement with the players expires March 4, and the two sides are far apart on reaching a deal.

EA, however, is a special case, with its iconic “Madden” video game title. The licensing deal it agreed to with the league in early 2008 is believed to be worth well into nine figures in guarantees and royalties over its original five-year term. That stands as one of the most, if not the most lucrative non-TV contract the NFL enjoys.

The NFL Players Association, which signed a companion EA deal for rights to the players, reaps regularly between $30 million and $40 million annually, according to the union’s annual filings with the Labor Department.

The league deal allows EA to use team colors, names and logos."

This basically means that EA has exclusive rights to Madden now until after Madden NFL 14 -- or roughly right about the time the next generation of consoles are set to hit.

This just shows how strong of business partners the NFL and EA Sports are at this point. The NFL is giving EA a break on payments this year and has basically given them an additional year as a make-up of sorts to make right. Also, if you read my 2011 Predictions Post back in January, you saw this was my first prediction, that the deal would be extended in some way this year.

So in that respect, this news is not unexpected -- and with the deal stretching into the next console generation, I have serious doubts any other company is going to be in a position enter the market anytime soon due to the extreme cost of entry into quality sports game development that will be present at that time.

Thanks to Pasta Padre for the news tip.

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# 321 mwjr @ 02/16/11 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by khaliib
Same game engine through 2014!!!

I guess I'm wondering what foolish person would run out and buy the next tier of console, when sports games for the current systems have not been developed to maximize their potential?

Well, it's not EA's fault or the NFL's fault. It's you the foolish consumer that complains about this game, yet you go out and spend $60, just to trade it in and complain even more. If all the people who complained they didn't like this game, stop buying what they hate so much, then this deal would be worthless.

But you keep buying, so as hard of a pill it is to swallow, it's your fault!!!

I've been saying Rent-before-Buy for the past 3 years, but it seems to be such a hard concept to grasp or folks just have little self control and must go buy.

What's sad is that you buy knowing exactly what your going to get.

Can't get mad, your dollars are the Glue to such a deal.

Hey, if your really "Hardcore" as you say you are, and want authentic football without the gimmicks, then a Non-NFL/NCAA Brand shouldn't really matter to you as long as it's what you see on TV, right?

Maybe one of the writers could do a "Poll" to see how many gamers would buy an authentic football game without the brand names. Let's see what the numbers really look like (as far as on the OS Forum).

Count me as a Buy for "Authentic" Non-Brand Name football!!!
Count me in as well.

I thought that All-Pro was on the right track. A few tweaks to the gameplay, and then a completely fictional league with fictional players and teams featuring a functional franchise mode, and I would've bought it. Still would.
 
# 322 roadman @ 02/16/11 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lofeazy
Do marketing DO the program for the game?No there a programer that does it.Same with the game sound, anmations,and anything else that the team program in the game.I am sick of hearing MARKETING is at fault.Remeber somebody has to do the things I listed maybe somebody need to start shifting the blame to the Tiburon team.

Like sage said:

I agree, I can't place the entire blame on Tiburon, but my problems with the game this generation(presentation, animations, glitches) seem more like issues on their end rather than EA as a company. I'm sure they have alot of pressure on their shoulders every year to deliver, but that's where the license comes into play. With that sewn up, no matter what type of garbage they put out(not saying Madden is garbage), it's still guaranteed a nice amount of sales, more than the average game at least. Plus it's history helps push this as well.

I'm not dogging Tiburon, but history has proven they can't provide a football game that blurs the lines between reality and video games, and at this point, that is exactly what this game SHOULD be doing.
Did I say marketing was at all the fault?

People are stating that developers are giving half effort and I just wanted people to know that marketing has a huge say so into what goes into the game. That cannot be denied. As Mesteveo said, it's a baseless acquistion to state people you don't even know in person give half an effort for their work. If people said that on the internet that I didn't give half an effort at my job, I'd say, they don't even know my work situation, I'd ignore it.

Liquor, sorry I agree with Ryan.

You feel the game is inadequate, but there are millions of other people who do purchase the game feel otherwise or else sales would plummet further down.
 
# 323 ryan36 @ 02/16/11 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LiquorLogic
Madden's sales are on the decline, and have been for years. Madden is a house hold name which also is the only NFL game available. EA's mainstream appeal, and the popularity of the NFL sell the game more than the quality of the game itself.
Exactly. I agree with your point above. My point: It's still profitable. It's still an alright game, even after I was really enamored after patch 5, the Show will take it RIGHT out of my system, and maybe MLB2k11.

bottom line is it doesn't matter. EA will be making NFL football for years to come. What's 5 million times 60? 300 million dollars. I doubt anyone on the dev team makes more than 500k. The license is what? 76 mill? That's still mill of profit. If publishing costs , dev costs and shipping costs, etc. total $100 million dollars, there's still $123 million of profit.
 
# 324 ManiacMatt1782 @ 02/16/11 08:33 PM
I understand the business side of this deal. that doesn't mean I have to like it. And I have written a blog about it. Kudos to the business men involved in the deal lining their pockets. No matter what side of the fense you lean on, There should never be customers happy about news like this. It is never a good idea to not have a choice. Well there is a choice. Buy or don't buy. but there is no purchasing alternative for an NFL game. No-one to put pressure on EA to make the best game they can because they don't wanna lose market share. It is only us the consumer who loses out on this deal. To those applauding this deal, enjoy being robbed of a choice.
 
# 325 kjcheezhead @ 02/16/11 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SageInfinite
I see where you're coming from. I would love to have competition because it breeds innovation. My only point was that it wouldn't be as much of an outcry and backlash if EA/Tiburon made an exceptional game. An example for me this year is EA canceling it's basketball game. NBA 2k11 was so good imo I didn't miss not having a choice, this year at least.

I would love for it to go back to the past when we had a choice of games to play. Not just 1 other choice either. I'd love for there to be 3 or 4 NFL sim style games to choose from.
Your right, it wouldn't be as much of an outcry, there should have been tho. Looking back to the original deal, I think I was one of the few guys who were playing Madden 05 and still was really upset about it.

To this day it amazes me how many madden fans seem to relish in the idea that Madden is the only option. I often ask myself if these guys have ever popped in Madden 08 or 09 on ps2 and noticed how much less Madden 11 on current system actually delivered? And they get charged an additional $10-20 to play the new version.

Imo, we have the exclusive license to thank for that and I don't know about anyone else, but knowing 2k fans have no game to play at all doesn't make me feel any better about getting screwed as well.
 
# 326 kehlis @ 02/16/11 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ManiacMatt1782
I understand the business side of this deal. that doesn't mean I have to like it. And I have written a blog about it. Kudos to the business men involved in the deal lining their pockets. No matter what side of the fense you lean on, There should never be customers happy about news like this. It is never a good idea to not have a choice. Well there is a choice. Buy or don't buy. but there is no purchasing alternative for an NFL game. No-one to put pressure on EA to make the best game they can because they don't wanna lose market share. It is only us the consumer who loses out on this deal. To those applauding this deal, enjoy being robbed of a choice.
To be fair, I haven't seen any posts (other than sarcastic posts) from people applauding this deal.

Most of the debate in this thread has been a discussion between people who argue it makes no business sense versus people who think it does.

I haven't seen anyone make an argument that it is better for us the gamers.
 
# 327 SageInfinite @ 02/16/11 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kjcheezhead
Your right, it wouldn't be as much of an outcry, there should have been tho. Looking back to the original deal, I think I was one of the few guys who were playing Madden 05 and still was really upset about it.

To this day it amazes me how many madden fans seem to relish in the idea that Madden is the only option. I often ask myself if these guys have ever popped in Madden 08 or 09 on ps2 and noticed how much less Madden 11 on current system actually delivered? And they get charged an additional $10-20 to play the new version.

Imo, we have the exclusive license to thank for that and I don't know about anyone else, but knowing 2k fans have no game to play at all doesn't make me feel any better about getting screwed as well.
Yea I loved Madden 05 and was pretty upset. I also don't understand how anyone can be happy about this deal that was made(initial and the extension). I guess it's just a selfish mind-state.
 
# 328 blklightning @ 02/16/11 11:29 PM
this is beyond ridiculous. so now we have to wait til 2014 to get a good football game. hell, ps4 and xbox 720 will be out before we get another good football title. thanks, nfl.
 
# 329 md8 @ 02/17/11 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dickey1331
I dont understand why people blame EA and not the NFL. I mean this is really the NFLs fault EA just had the money to do it.
For me I blame EA more because they are the one not improving the game as much as they could. And when they make improvments, they usually break something else.

Like the running game this year. I never had a problem running in years past, but this year they made it easier. Too easy. There are so many problems with the running game I'm not even going to start naming them.

EA talked about how the completion percentage was too high. So instead of improving the AI so they aren't ******s half the time, they thought it would be a good idea to make your QB miss the WR, or have the WR's drop the ball. Really awesome to have a WR wide open 3 times in a row only to have them drop it 3 straight times.

Why is the game still not as good as '05?? It's because EA knows they can just slowly improve the game each year.

I've always liked Madden more than 2k. But not having that completion has really hurt the game I've loved. Part of that's the NFL's fault, but it's still on EA for not giving a crap about their fans.
 
# 330 Paytonsplace @ 02/17/11 03:10 AM
Folks,

Only the NFL has renewed for another year. The NFLPA has not.

Make of that what you will.
 
# 331 RedZoneD25 @ 02/17/11 04:36 AM
^^ Interesting point.
 
# 332 DarkOmnios @ 02/17/11 06:54 AM
I dont mind if Madden will continue to have the NFL license.


Why dont other company make a game with a powerful edit tool??? Madden 11 was ok, after the patch's the game was good to play, problem was the lack of replay. And that is something a company could work without having to think with the license.
 
# 333 Only1LT @ 02/17/11 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ManiacMatt1782
I understand the business side of this deal. that doesn't mean I have to like it. And I have written a blog about it. Kudos to the business men involved in the deal lining their pockets. No matter what side of the fense you lean on, There should never be customers happy about news like this. It is never a good idea to not have a choice. Well there is a choice. Buy or don't buy. but there is no purchasing alternative for an NFL game. No-one to put pressure on EA to make the best game they can because they don't wanna lose market share. It is only us the consumer who loses out on this deal. To those applauding this deal, enjoy being robbed of a choice.
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Originally Posted by kehlis
To be fair, I haven't seen any posts (other than sarcastic posts) from people applauding this deal.

Most of the debate in this thread has been a discussion between people who argue it makes no business sense versus people who think it does.

I haven't seen anyone make an argument that it is better for us the gamers.

Not to put words in Maniac's mouth, but he may not be talking about comments on this thread, specifically.

I haven't read all the posts on this thread, and don't care to, but there is no doubt that there are people out there, that are happy about Madden being the only NFL game. They are the same types of people that wish for the PS3/360 to fail, so that their console is the only console.

It's all about bragging rights to them, even though they are too moronic to realize that they aren't "part of the team", and the only people that benefit from situations like that are the product makers, and not the consumers.
 
# 334 Only1LT @ 02/17/11 06:59 AM
^^^^

Well kehlis. Now you have your first post about someone being happy about this deal. SMH
 
# 335 RGiles36 @ 02/17/11 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by EddieV
I don't think anywhere close to 5 million people paid $60 for M11. One million of those sales were on PSP/PS2/Wii, first of all. Secondly, there were all kinds of discounted pre-orders this year, and everybody was selling it at $29.99 pretty much from Thanksgiving until Christmas.
Tomato - tomata. His point still holds weight. Madden itself is profitable even with the exclusive license.

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Originally Posted by kjcheezhead
To this day it amazes me how many madden fans seem to relish in the idea that Madden is the only option. I often ask myself if these guys have ever popped in Madden 08 or 09 on ps2 and noticed how much less Madden 11 on current system actually delivered? And they get charged an additional $10-20 to play the new version.
I know that the previous generation of Madden's offered a layer of depth that is still unmatched on the PS3/360. But beyond that, I'm still shocked at how much praise those games get.

I recall a few years ago that the biggest gripe with Madden was the line play. There was never a pocket -- just a wall of linemen doing the shuffle. This was a big-big-big issue, or at least it was portrayed to be in several forums. Now the line play is better than it has ever been in Madden IMO, yet there is a faction of folks who'll prefer to play the prev gen Madden with the abysmal line play.

Without straying too far off topic, I guess my point is that if realism is what people clamor for in Madden (and they do), how can people enjoy the previous Maddens so much? I think that the current Maddens from a gameplay standpoint are arguably more realistic than the previous gen editions. That doesn't mean today's game is more fun or more balanced -- just talking in terms of realism.

Not at all challenging you KJ, just making a point.
 
# 336 roadman @ 02/17/11 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rgiles36
Tomato - tomata.

I recall a few years ago that the biggest gripe with Madden was the line play. There was never a pocket -- just a wall of linemen doing the shuffle. This was a big-big-big issue, or at least it was portrayed to be in several forums. Now the line play is better than it has ever been in Madden IMO, yet there is a faction of folks who'll prefer to play the prev gen Madden with the abysmal line play.

Without straying too far off topic, I guess my point is that if realism is what people clamor for in Madden (and they do), how can people enjoy the previous Maddens so much? I think that the current Maddens from a gameplay standpoint are arguably more realistic than what the previous gen editions. That doesn't mean today's game is more fun or more balanced -- just talking in terms of realism.

Not at all challenging you KJ, just making a point.
I agree with this.

Presentation is not even close to where it should be, but after Decembers patch, the game play on the field has been real good defensively. I almost tossed the game aside and traded it in before the last patch. I'm glad I didn't as the game is playing some of the best that I've seen.
 
# 337 Only1LT @ 02/17/11 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rgiles36
Tomato - tomata. His point still holds weight. Madden itself is profitable even with the exclusive license.



I know that the previous generation of Madden's offered a layer of depth that is still unmatched on the PS3/360. But beyond that, I'm still shocked at how much praise those games get.

I recall a few years ago that the biggest gripe with Madden was the line play. There was never a pocket -- just a wall of linemen doing the shuffle. This was a big-big-big issue, or at least it was portrayed to be in several forums. Now the line play is better than it has ever been in Madden IMO, yet there is a faction of folks who'll prefer to play the prev gen Madden with the abysmal line play.

Without straying too far off topic, I guess my point is that if realism is what people clamor for in Madden (and they do), how can people enjoy the previous Maddens so much? I think that the current Maddens from a gameplay standpoint are arguably more realistic than what the previous gen editions. That doesn't mean today's game is more fun or more balanced -- just talking in terms of realism.

Not at all challenging you KJ, just making a point.
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Originally Posted by roadman
I agree with this.

Presentation is not even close to where it should be, but after Decembers patch, the game play on the field has been real good defensively. I almost tossed the game aside and traded it in before the last patch. I'm glad I didn't as the game is playing some of the best that I've seen.

I've wondered this myself many times. The only answers I can come up with is either people really care more about the extra modes than gameplay, or pure nostalgia.

As much as I critique Madden 11, I would say that it is probably the best Madden game ever, in terms of gameplay. How anyone can think that PS2 Madden is better, in terms of gameplay, is beyond me.

I don't know. Maybe I'm in the Twilight Zone or something, but as a savvy gamer who's seen a couple decades of gaming evolution, it's hard to look back, critically, and say that Madden was ever a great depiction of the game of Football. It's had the same issues since the very first Madden on consoles.

Having said that, almost none of the issues of the past iterations have been eliminated, but some of them have been at least lessened in subsequent years, so by default, the gameplay is better than it's ever been.

For what ever that's worth.
 
# 338 illwill10 @ 02/17/11 07:59 AM
It is seems like the last 6 years(current gen) has been on a rebulding stage . I understood up to Madden 08, but it never took the next step yet. It seems like a 5-11 team up to 08. Madden have been taking baby steps. It seems like there will not be a complete game until there is a another game on the horizon.
I have some faith in MAdden 12. If they can overhaul Franchise, SS, Defense I will be in. This is a big year for most people. There has to be a Huge leap with Madden 12. I never thought I would see a year where NCAA was completely better than Madden, I still play NCAA.
Madden 12 will regardlessly sell well and get high rating from sites that doesnt think highly of them. When you always sell well and get high rating there isnt a huge reason to improve fast.
 
# 339 roadman @ 02/17/11 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by EddieV
This is exactly right, but I saw a lot more defending going on back in 2005 when the deal happened. By this point, it's probably only 1 out of a 100 who are happy about Madden being the only game in town.
I'm not happy at all about it being the only licensed game in town, but I think you are under estimating the other 5 or 6 million that purchase the game. No way that it is 1 in 100 who are happy.
 
# 340 roadman @ 02/17/11 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by EddieV
Didn't say it was 1 out of 100 who are happy with Madden -- but rather, 1 out of 100 who are happy with it being the only game in town.
Yeah, sorry, I wrote it that way, but I still don't feel that is the case with 5 or 6 other million people.
 


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