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We all know hindsight is 20/20. But today's OS Poll question is one that deals with the real deal of the NFL: Did Brett Favre make a wise decision coming back to play this season now that we know what we know?

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# 1 Crimsontide27 @ 11/23/10 05:08 PM
As you mentioned, hindsight is always 20/20.

I think he made the right choice. I dont think any of us could have expected them to be as bad as they are this year and he was coming off of his best career as a pro the previous year I believe.

Even forgoing all the issues this year, anytime someone can make $16 million for a 1 year contract...I cant see how it would be bad for him.
 
# 2 Amoo316 @ 11/23/10 05:38 PM
I voted yes. Nobody could of predicted half of his weapons would be injured all season and he would have had this bad of a season. We all had a feeling last year was a perfect storm, but I'm with Crimsontide, hindsight is 20/20.
 
# 3 1WEiRDguy @ 11/23/10 05:40 PM
I dont blame him for coming back, I blame the Vikings for treating him the way that they did. They should have just rode the ship with Tavaris and who knows how their record would have been. They basically begged Favre to come back. Begging people in a professional sports setting to play for you IMMEDIATELY sets you up for the big FAIL...

Skips training camp, comes back in with what...one preseason game left (i think)...Yea Rice gets hurt, but at the same time, had he been in camp, he could have found chemistry with the other guys...just my two cents
 
# 4 Juiceman612 @ 11/23/10 05:44 PM
The secondary for the Vikes sucked last year too. The difference was that the D-line was getting pressure so the secondary wasn't as exposed. Now the D-line isn't getting any pressure and the secondary is getting lit up. Childress sucks - glad he's gone as he doesn't know how to use key players' strengths and his schemes are horrid. That said, as much as I love Moss he's no help to any team when he doesn't play full speed every play. Vikes are fine without him and I actually don't blame Chilly for letting him go - the way he did it was wrong though - should have checked with the boss man. Yes, it's on Childress that we're now short a 3rd round pick next year. Should Favre have come back? Yes. Who could have seen the Vikes D-Line becoming non-existent like this? They were money last year. Add the fact that the offensive line is horrid. And now that Herrera is done for the year - hoooo boy. Have fun back there, Favre. Loadholt, McKinnie, Sullivan, Hutch, that whole group is completely overrated and garbage. Watch them a full game and it's so easy to see. All-Day still needs to learn how to pass protect too. He's terrible at it. Pretty much every INT and pick six is on Favre though if we're talking blame for those. A couple of tipped passes for INT's but for the most part throws that shouldn't have been made. Now, did he lose the games? I don't know. But I digress as we're not talking about blame. As I said before, yes Favre should have come back because 1) who turns down that salary? and 2) who would have predicted our d-line to completely fall off the face of the earth?
 
# 5 The Amaizen Blue @ 11/23/10 05:45 PM
When the Lions are 1 game behind you in the division by week 10, you know there's something up... The problem is the fact that they have the NFL's greatest running back and hardly use him. Favre wouldn't have to win games for them if they could simply hand the ball off to the monster known as Adrian Peterson. Just saying.
 
# 6 stp2081 @ 11/23/10 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Phixius
No, after that beating he took in the NFC Championship game, Favre was finished.
I agree. The Saints made it obvious that the key to defeating the stellar but old HoF'er was to bang him up. Make sure you hit and jar him, even if it doesn't cause a fumble or a super-hurried throw. The formula was obvious. And for Minnesota to work the deep ball to open up the running lanes, Favre would need to hold the ball long enough for the WR's routes to develop, but also long enough to where he will regularly open himself up to getting hit.
 
# 7 Reaman @ 11/23/10 06:23 PM
No.

Just look at where the Vikings are as a team right now. Of course he didn't know it would turn out like this. And he had every right to want to comeback and play, after coming up one win short of the Super Bowl. But I vote no on this poll for obvious reasons. (In my eyes at least)
 
# 8 Nexgenrulz @ 11/23/10 06:26 PM
Brett Favre just needs to go away. He should have stayed away 2 years ago.
 
# 9 jcofor25 @ 11/23/10 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Juiceman612
The secondary for the Vikes sucked last year too. The difference was that the D-line was getting pressure so the secondary wasn't as exposed. Now the D-line isn't getting any pressure and the secondary is getting lit up. Childress sucks - glad he's gone as he doesn't know how to use key players' strengths and his schemes are horrid. That said, as much as I love Moss he's no help to any team when he doesn't play full speed every play. Vikes are fine without him and I actually don't blame Chilly for letting him go - the way he did it was wrong though - should have checked with the boss man. Yes, it's on Childress that we're now short a 3rd round pick next year. Should Favre have come back? Yes. Who could have seen the Vikes D-Line becoming non-existent like this? They were money last year. Add the fact that the offensive line is horrid. And now that Herrera is done for the year - hoooo boy. Have fun back there, Favre. Loadholt, McKinnie, Sullivan, Hutch, that whole group is completely overrated and garbage. Watch them a full game and it's so easy to see. All-Day still needs to learn how to pass protect too. He's terrible at it. Pretty much every INT and pick six is on Favre though if we're talking blame for those. A couple of tipped passes for INT's but for the most part throws that shouldn't have been made. Now, did he lose the games? I don't know. But I digress as we're not talking about blame. As I said before, yes Favre should have come back because 1) who turns down that salary? and 2) who would have predicted our d-line to completely fall off the face of the earth?
agree 100%
 
# 10 rudeworld @ 11/23/10 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nexgenrulz
Brett Favre just needs to go away. He should have stayed away 2 years ago.
You know what....I was never a #4 fan, but when he was on my team... NY JETS!!!!!!! I was rooting for him but then he retired and ended up with the Vikings, well to say I hate him would be putting it mildly.... I think he is the most self centered overly praised sports figure ever....really what has #4 done besides throw a tone of INT's? Nothing.... people will say he holds a lot of passing records but you and I would do the same if we played for 20 years straight and sure he has a superbowl win but the Defense had more to do with winning that superbowl then anything #4 did..... The man has been way below average before he threw that INT to lose the NFC Championship game versus the Giants.
The best move Mike Macarthey(GB Packers Coach) ever did was not kiss this butt and cater to the princess of the NFL or he too would be with Childress looking for a job. See Mangini for a reference he is the head coach killer, who plays through injury to extend a streak...also look at his time as a Jet, I think you can play hurt but if your injured sit down.
so to answer the question did he make a mistake no....the money was right but he is tarnishing his legacy with more loses and more passes thrown to the wrong team. last season was the best he ever had and made him look as he was better than he is. This is similar to a player who was busted for HGH and now is playing like he suppose to play...Check his water!!!
 
# 11 BlackJack_Williams @ 11/23/10 09:53 PM
I voted No. Favre should have sat down a long time ago.
 
# 12 prowler @ 11/23/10 09:55 PM
If he was going to come back he shouldn't have waited until August to make the decision but losing Sidney Rice didn't help matters either. Farve's been around long enough to know that everyone can't go out on top like Elway and Bettis did; he should've taken the consolation prize of sticking it to Ted Thompson and his former team last season and retired.
 
# 13 PantherBeast_OS @ 11/23/10 10:00 PM
I honestly think Favre should of stayed retired. Him been 41 and in the past few years he has had some bad injuries yet still played through them. Favre would of helped this team much more if he just sayed no thanks and let it be at that instead of waiting until near training camp to give his answer. In the long run his body is going to be hurting him in so many ways.
 
# 14 bukktown @ 11/23/10 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by wsu_gb23
I agree that SOME of the blame should be put on Favre for this season, but MOST of the blame should be directed towards Brad Childress and lack of defense. The only game Favre really lost this year by himself was the first Packers game. The Vikings made the wrong decision getting rid of Moss and keeping Childress. Favre got Childress that contract extension last year which he did not deserve.

I say Favre gets rested up in the off-season and plays a strike-shortened year in 2011 for a decent team that needs a QB. Most notably the Cardinals.
Until the last 2 weeks the defense had been doing fine. Even with the depleted secondary they were holding their own. The points scored off of Favre turnovers is like 30-40% of the total points the team has given up. Throw in his unexplainable inaccuracy and he has been absolutely terrible.
 
# 15 TheGenius @ 11/24/10 12:03 AM
Of course he made the wrong decision. He apparently thought it was going to be easy for a 41-year old quarterback to duplicate a career year. This is the year many people thought he would have last year. Instead he had arguably the best year of his career last year and this year he has shown what most people expected to see out of him. An aging, broken down QB whose mistakes keep catching up with him.

Mind you he thought he could repeat last year's amazing season without working out with the team or actually practicing. He's tried to run the franchise everywhere he's been in the past five years or so. McCarthy and Thompson wouldn't put up with it in Green Bay, but Sherman enabled it, as did Childress in Minnesota. Look how that ended for both those guys.

On a similar note, take a look at Favre's interception totals in years where his coach has been fired:

1999: 23 INT (Ray Rhodes fired as coach of the Packers)
2005: 29 INT (Mike Sherman fired as coach of the Packers)
2008: 22 INT (Eric Mangini fired as coach of the Jets)
2010: 17 INT through 10 games (Brad Childress fired as coach of the Vikings)

Maybe the ol' gunslinger is the real coach killer.
 
# 16 Hayabusa85 @ 11/24/10 01:29 AM
Not like his INT against the Saints was a great way to end things either so it was worth coming back for another shot since he couldn't predict this team would collapse like they did when he signed. Also didn't know about Rice being out so long at the time which I think might have factored into his decision had he known.
 
# 17 havokeff @ 11/24/10 05:50 AM
No.

And I said this from day one, before the bad start.

The Vikings tried to catch lightning in a bottle... TWICE.

It simply was not going to happen. Last year was a dream season for Farve and the Vikings, and they were literally, ONE bad decision (scramble instead of throw) from the Super Bowl.

But that is Farve. You not only have to accept the good with the bad, but you have to expect it, COUNT on it. It is just who he is. He did it with the Packers, and I don't know why people didn't expect it with the Vikings.

Trying to duplicate what they did last year was foolhardy and I think everyone, including Childress knew it, but what could they do? They are built to win TODAY, in fact maybe yesterday, and they couldn't go with the unproven 'what if' of Jackson and HAD to go with the proven 'what if' of Farve. What is the old saying... the evil you know...

I hope they put it together with Frazier though and go on a tear*. They have the talent for sure and 9-7 could still be good enough for a Wild Card. Especially in the NFC.

*What does that say about the Viking players if they do that though? Same thing it says about the Cowboys players I guess.
 
# 18 blklightning @ 11/24/10 08:59 AM
of course he did. i didn't expect it to go this bad for the vikings. but i also knew that lightning would most certainly not strike twice. the only thing favre can do now is try to best his career high interceptions in a season record. well, at least until this new coach benches him.
 
# 19 Sheamazin @ 11/24/10 10:58 AM
I voted yes.

The Vikings where 1 game away from the Superbowl last year. Did Brett know things were going to be this bad? Hell No!! If he did Im sure he wouldnt have came back.
 
# 20 Juiceman612 @ 11/24/10 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by havokeff
No.

And I said this from day one, before the bad start.

The Vikings tried to catch lightning in a bottle... TWICE.

It simply was not going to happen. Last year was a dream season for Farve and the Vikings, and they were literally, ONE bad decision (scramble instead of throw) from the Super Bowl.

But that is Farve. You not only have to accept the good with the bad, but you have to expect it, COUNT on it. It is just who he is. He did it with the Packers, and I don't know why people didn't expect it with the Vikings.

Trying to duplicate what they did last year was foolhardy and I think everyone, including Childress knew it, but what could they do? They are built to win TODAY, in fact maybe yesterday, and they couldn't go with the unproven 'what if' of Jackson and HAD to go with the proven 'what if' of Farve. What is the old saying... the evil you know...

I hope they put it together with Frazier though and go on a tear*. They have the talent for sure and 9-7 could still be good enough for a Wild Card. Especially in the NFC.

*What does that say about the Viking players if they do that though? Same thing it says about the Cowboys players I guess.
I don't get how you're defending your answer of 'no'. You're obviously saying the Vikings had no other option for QB. And a guy who is begged to come back to play with guys like AP, Rice, Harvin, etc. and be paid a huge salary made the wrong decision? He's being handed millions and without hindsight another legitimate shot at a Super Bowl. How is coming back the wrong decision? Because his last year is potentially a bad year? It's not like he's no longer a Hall of Famer. I honestly see no reason NOT to come back in 2010 given what was at stake. I don't mean to single you out, but it's using hindsight to say 'no' even if you think the Vikings can't catch lightning in a bottle twice.

I should add that there's nothing wrong with using hindsight, but doing that makes it pretty easy to say no, and without hindsight it's pretty hard to choose 'no' and I haven't seen a 'no' answer defended without hindsight yet.
 

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