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"Konamiís Pro Evolution Soccer team leader Jon Murphy says EA Sports has a long way to go before FIFA can challenge his game.

Murphy claims that FIFA still hasn't matched the gameplay of Pro Evolution Soccer.

"It is all very well for EA to say that FIFA is making great strides, but general opinion suggests that they still have a long way to go before they can match the intuitive and absorbing gameplay of Pro Evolution Soccer," Murphy told MCV."

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# 1 Vince @ 09/11/08 09:59 AM
I think people will disagree.

I played a decent amount of both and Fifa is very close. Especially with regards to the speed of play.
 
# 2 MMChrisS @ 09/11/08 10:12 AM
Not a soccer expert on this, but I would hope this was against Konami's upper-tier's best wishes. Not a very wise thing to say about your competition when it is scoring relatively high among critics...even compared to their own game. I wonder what the general opinion he speaks of is? Metacritic shows both companies efforts last year were very close in how they were scored, from the 78-82 range. Not a smart thing to say at all, but I would imagine there is definitely a little bit of truth in what he is saying...maybe just a smidge?
 
# 3 Pared @ 09/11/08 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Vince
I think people will disagree.

I played a decent amount of both and Fifa is very close. Especially with regards to the speed of play.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT.

Unless FIFA has slowed down this year, I agree with him. The problem FIFA has that I can see is there does not seem to be a slow pace to game at all. Plus the controls are not 100% responsive. Yes, a move will come out but in terms of passing it really needs work.

It's good enough to keep me playing, but still.
 
# 4 Vince @ 09/11/08 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Pared
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT.

Unless FIFA has slowed down this year, I agree with him. The problem FIFA has that I can see is there does not seem to be a slow pace to game at all. Plus the controls are not 100% responsive. Yes, a move will come out but in terms of passing it really needs work.

It's good enough to keep me playing, but still.
Woah? Did you play 08?

Everyone and their grandmothers knew Fifa had a much better game pace than PES.
 
# 5 Pared @ 09/11/08 11:13 AM
Well, I've played FIFA and UEFA this year, not PES. Comparing FIFA to the Winning Eleven of old and the pace is much better with W11.
 
# 6 mdbussen @ 09/11/08 11:48 AM
Every year people say FIFA is as close as ever to WE and every year they are wrong.

Even looking at WE2008, which was crap, against FIFA08, WE2008 plays so much smoother and more responsively. FIFA has been getting better but, IMO, it still has a long way to go before it can match WE for gameplay.

The number one problem that I've always had with FIFA (and it is STILL there) is that the movement and reaction of your players is very jerky and you never feel that you have full control over them. How many times have you seen the CPU run down the wings and hit a cross into the box - you're controlling a defender and you see the flight of the ball and think "okay, I can get to this and clear it out" - but your defender WONT MOVE and the CPU striker does some goofy looking touch around you and puts it top corner? Or, just as often, you are challenging for a header in the box and have no control over whether you win the header or not? It's already been pre-determined for you.

I'll definitely be checking out FIFA this year but from the videos it looks like the same old stuff.

(don't even get me started on the stretching of player's names on the backs of uniforms. This was acceptable in the first or second try at next-gen graphics but still??? huge eyesore for me).
 
# 7 therizing02 @ 09/11/08 11:52 AM
Download the FIFA 09 Demo and get back to us on the responsiveness issue.

The pace is a little quick but, when you get the full game there is an option to slow it down.
 
# 8 therizing02 @ 09/11/08 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mdbussen
Every year people say FIFA is as close as ever to WE and every year they are wrong.

Even looking at WE2008, which was crap, against FIFA08, WE2008 plays so much smoother and more responsively. FIFA has been getting better but, IMO, it still has a long way to go before it can match WE for gameplay.

The number one problem that I've always had with FIFA (and it is STILL there) is that the movement and reaction of your players is very jerky and you never feel that you have full control over them. How many times have you seen the CPU run down the wings and hit a cross into the box - you're controlling a defender and you see the flight of the ball and think "okay, I can get to this and clear it out" - but your defender WONT MOVE and the CPU striker does some goofy looking touch around you and puts it top corner? Or, just as often, you are challenging for a header in the box and have no control over whether you win the header or not? It's already been pre-determined for you.

I'll definitely be checking out FIFA this year but from the videos it looks like the same old stuff.

(don't even get me started on the stretching of player's names on the backs of uniforms. This was acceptable in the first or second try at next-gen graphics but still??? huge eyesore for me).
Man, I'm as big of a PES/WE fan boy there is but, many of your comments are way off base.

Jerky players? Are you serious? PES/WE is the king of this because the players STILL...STILL move in only eight directions.

The problems that you are mentioning in the box with pre determined results is completely bogus and I think most of the players in this forum will agree. For 09 the "in the box" play is even better than in 08. I have never had a problem with my defender not moving.

"From the looks of the videos...same old stuff"....Look again and get back to us. Same for the responsiveness.
 
# 9 KG @ 09/11/08 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by therizing02
Man, I'm as big of a PES/WE fan boy there is but, many of your comments are way off base.

Jerky players? Are you serious? PES/WE is the king of this because the players STILL...STILL move in only eight directions.

The problems that you are mentioning in the box with pre determined results is completely bogus and I think most of the players in this forum will agree. For 09 the "in the box" play is even better than in 08. I have never had a problem with my defender not moving.

"From the looks of the videos...same old stuff"....Look again and get back to us. Same for the responsiveness.
 
# 10 S1ARk5 @ 09/11/08 02:52 PM
I have played PES / Winning Eleven since 2000. Last year was the first year that I thought FIFA's gameplay was better then PES. So I would have to dissagree with Mr. Murphy.

PES last year was just plain brutal. I was very dissapointed.
 
# 11 Bahnzo @ 09/11/08 06:33 PM
All I can say is that developer sounds like every other PES-blinded fan out there. At least he's working (for the time being anyways) at the right place.
 
# 12 tabulaRasa @ 09/12/08 03:32 AM
All true soccer fans (football) knows PES is the true game, this year will be no different. The dynamics of the PES game is awesome and the "hidden" moves are based on skills.

THe only reason FIFA from EA is still around is their aggressive license exclusives. Nice to see PRO EVO snagging some rights this year.
 
# 13 jonthefon @ 09/12/08 03:36 AM
The problem with so many PES fans is that they are oblivious to the fact that EA has jumped onto them while they've been using their years of superiority on last-gen as a marketing tool. Konami has turned two lacklustre performances so far on 360 and PS3: they need to make an effort to push away again.

It's almost the opposite of when Konami first entered the market outside Japan with the first PES: EA wrote them off, but not long afterwards, you could say that they fell behind in terms of gameplay quality.

I switched games after PES2, but I decided to go back to EA for FIFA 08 after getting a next-gen console, thinking that they would be better with an extra year of development under their belt. Felt like I made the right choice, especially after seeing the gameplay footage around the Net didn't make it feel very different.
 
# 14 Pared @ 09/12/08 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by tabulaRasa
All true soccer fans (football) knows PES is the true game, this year will be no different. The dynamics of the PES game is awesome and the "hidden" moves are based on skills.

THe only reason FIFA from EA is still around is their aggressive license exclusives. Nice to see PRO EVO snagging some rights this year.
You just gave a perfect example of what the others in the thread are referring to.

I haven't played PES 2008, but I heard lots of complaints about it from long time fans. From what I've seen, EA has certainly closed the gap.

PES might be deeper with more moves... but FIFA certainly is not a slouch any longer.
 
# 15 forensicd @ 09/12/08 10:48 AM
I simply couldnt play PES this year, and it was very hard for me to admit that, because im a huge fan of what they have done for football over the years. I played countless master leagues in the past, but for some reason this year, they threw all the things that made it great out the door, from the simply balzing fast game speed to limited editing options. FIFA on the other hand is smooth as silk, and online team play is perhaps the greatest accomplishment in modern sports gaming online. There is nothing more satisfying then playing with 4 other buddies against another team of 5, and now about to be 10. With that, Be a Pro is so successful, that PES is now copying that, which says alot about who is now becoming the king of football gaming. I dont like EA, dont like what they are doing to gaming, but they really have put a lot of love into FIFA, and are not rehashing the same product every year, which is what PES has been doing for nearly a decade.
 
# 16 Pared @ 09/12/08 11:27 AM
He's right, forensic.

Besides... they're just copying career modes we've seen for a while and making it an EA Sports-wide thing. Smart move by them.
 
# 17 Pared @ 09/12/08 11:34 AM
BTW, after playing the '09 demo I take back what I said about the speed. Much, much better.
 
# 18 elprez98 @ 09/12/08 08:34 PM
PES was about 2X as good as FIFA. FIFA just had the 5 vs. 5 that made it nice.
 
# 19 LingeringRegime @ 09/13/08 02:28 AM
Back to the developer comments at the beginning of this thread. I think he is spot on. FIFA has made tremendous strides, but when it comes to the variety in which the goals are scored and the responsiveness of the players (yes I have the FIFA 09 demo) PES is still the most fun and realistic game. It is nice that you can save replays (more than 5) and no goal is ever the same. FIFA just doesn't have that.
 
# 20 LingeringRegime @ 09/13/08 02:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdbussen
Every year people say FIFA is as close as ever to WE and every year they are wrong.

Even looking at WE2008, which was crap, against FIFA08, WE2008 plays so much smoother and more responsively. FIFA has been getting better but, IMO, it still has a long way to go before it can match WE for gameplay.

The number one problem that I've always had with FIFA (and it is STILL there) is that the movement and reaction of your players is very jerky and you never feel that you have full control over them. How many times have you seen the CPU run down the wings and hit a cross into the box - you're controlling a defender and you see the flight of the ball and think "okay, I can get to this and clear it out" - but your defender WONT MOVE and the CPU striker does some goofy looking touch around you and puts it top corner? Or, just as often, you are challenging for a header in the box and have no control over whether you win the header or not? It's already been pre-determined for you.

I'll definitely be checking out FIFA this year but from the videos it looks like the same old stuff.

(don't even get me started on the stretching of player's names on the backs of uniforms. This was acceptable in the first or second try at next-gen graphics but still??? huge eyesore for me).
I completely agree with you. I buy both games, and at the end of the day PES gets the most attention. I like the demo for FIFA 09, but it still is not as responsive and "random" as PES.
 

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