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"We're not terribly pleased and not disappointed. We're watching closely and are going to react proactively when Madden comes out. We know we're in competition with them."

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# 1 boomhauertjs @ 08/03/07 09:58 AM
Price drop coming?
 
# 2 tabulaRasa @ 08/06/07 04:36 AM
EA could ship poop in a box and the blind army of EA fans would still buy it. Itīs the power of their brand. Madden hasnīt come far at all, and I still havenīt put a penny down on a football game since the exclusive deal EA signed.
 
# 3 Complex @ 08/06/07 05:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tabulaRasa
EA could ship poop in a box and the blind army of EA fans would still buy it. Itīs the power of their brand. Madden hasnīt come far at all, and I still havenīt put a penny down on a football game since the exclusive deal EA signed.
Let's not have another EA hate thread.
 
# 4 ProStylez @ 08/06/07 07:44 AM
What could they expect the game to be sold out everywhere?
The game is good and it's fun but it's NFL 2K5 V.2, and kids buy games also, those same kids are all going to own Madden and those same kids probally only know like 5-10 players in 2k8.
This game is for the adults, the old school fans of football, or just hardcore 2k fanboys who buy it just to "represent".
It's funny I'm around a bunch of 12 to 13 year old kids every day and what they say about the 2k football games from the past was all "Naw it's gay you gotta tap the a button to run fast"..........take that for what it is?
 
# 5 forensicd @ 08/06/07 08:46 AM
If the game released at 39.99, it would have sold 3 times the amount. No one is risking paying 60 bucks for a game with no franchise, no license and only 240 players that are real. Come on 2k, i love you, but you need to figure some things out.
 
# 6 Behindshadows @ 08/06/07 11:32 AM
As a 2kfan I had to read this and respond, but I didn't want to say anything wrong.

Take-Two shouldn't be pleased. We've waited 3 years, for them to release a game, using an old engine, and hardly pushing the graphic limits, we are use to from Visual Concepts.

Yes the stadiums look great, but player models are build too much like Xbox 1.

Also to tone the presentation down from the standards of 2k5 is also a poor decision.

I'm happy they released the game, but I'm also upset, the released it with so many limits. I don't mind creating a team. But not being able to control the computer created teams, sucks and so on....just too many limitations.....

And for 3 years waiting, its fun, but for so long. I didn't have a issue with not having franchise mode. But not being able to edit legends, etc...plain sucks...

Its still the 2nd best football game in their franchise, but its not 2k5. Its a step back, but not too far back...I just expected and wanted more.

Overall they should be unhappy....this game isn't up to the 2ksports standards...with all the other great 2k8 titles coming out, this game will soon be forgotten, instead of remembered like 2k5.
 
# 7 highpressure @ 08/06/07 12:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Behindshadows2
As a 2kfan I had to read this and respond, but I didn't want to say anything wrong.

Take-Two shouldn't be pleased. We've waited 3 years, for them to release a game, using an old engine, and hardly pushing the graphic limits, we are use to from Visual Concepts.

Yes the stadiums look great, but player models are build too much like Xbox 1.

Also to tone the presentation down from the standards of 2k5 is also a poor decision.

I'm happy they released the game, but I'm also upset, the released it with so many limits. I don't mind creating a team. But not being able to control the computer created teams, sucks and so on....just too many limitations.....

And for 3 years waiting, its fun, but for so long. I didn't have a issue with not having franchise mode. But not being able to edit legends, etc...plain sucks...

Its still the 2nd best football game in their franchise, but its not 2k5. Its a step back, but not too far back...I just expected and wanted more.

Overall they should be unhappy....this game isn't up to the 2ksports standards...with all the other great 2k8 titles coming out, this game will soon be forgotten, instead of remembered like 2k5.
Well said. Cosign!
 
# 8 jrivera34 @ 08/06/07 12:44 PM
Personally, I really enjoy APF2K8 but I don't know what 2K was thinking. I am in the minority when it comes to the majority of the gaming community. Give me great gameplay, which I believe APF delivers (off course there are some bugs but nothing is perfect), good graphics and I am a happy camper. 2K should know that amazing graphics, a boat load of features, and at least average gameplay is what the majority of gamers want.

If their plan was to give the 2K fan something or anything for that matter, they succeeded. But if they are really trying to compete with Madden than they failed miserably. I really hope they learn from their mistakes and come out swinging with APF2K9. Yes, I said 2K9 because if they really do go with the every other year plan, you could say good bye to 2K football. If this game was everything we hoped it would be, fine, but they have obviously left many gamers wanting much, much more.

If I was in charge of 2K football, here is what I would do.
1. Beef up the graphics and really show what HD gaming is all about.
2. Start working on full customization Winning Eleven style and beyond.
3. Bring back franchise mode. Even if it is exactly like 2K5.

The clock is ticking 2K, get moving!
 
# 9 daflyboys @ 08/06/07 01:51 PM
1. Younger kids and the 20-something crowd could care less about legends.

2. Take 2 tried to counteract that by a few lame hip-hop/rap oriented commercials that 30 and 40 something y.o.'s can relate to.

3. A $60 premium price tag was still applied to the product.


Do the math.
 
# 10 Behindshadows @ 08/06/07 02:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by daflyboys
1. Younger kids and the 20-something crowd could care less about legends.

2. Take 2 tried to counteract that by a few lame hip-hop/rap oriented commercials that 30 and 40 something y.o.'s can relate to.

3. A $60 premium price tag was still applied to the product.


Do the math.
no offense to rakim, but if they wanted to sell the commercials using rap to gain the interest of current day audience...They should have current artist...

Ludacris, Jeezy, Yung Joc, Jay-Z....etc...not retired artist now producers...and underground rap artist...

It would have been greater....can you image Ludacris doing a 2k commercial 80% of rap listeners would have eaten this game up....look at how many buy those stupid boost mobile phones, just because Luda, Fat Joe and others use them in the commercial, just saying whats up!!!

Everyone has a stupid boost mobile phone or tries to get one just because of that....

Overall the target was wrongly directed...again we thought the commercials but good, but I guess still not good enough.
 
# 11 Dondadda @ 08/06/07 11:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Behindshadows2
no offense to rakim, but if they wanted to sell the commercials using rap to gain the interest of current day audience...They should have current artist...

Ludacris, Jeezy, Yung Joc, Jay-Z....etc...not retired artist now producers...and underground rap artist...

It would have been greater....can you image Ludacris doing a 2k commercial 80% of rap listeners would have eaten this game up....look at how many buy those stupid boost mobile phones, just because Luda, Fat Joe and others use them in the commercial, just saying whats up!!!

Everyone has a stupid boost mobile phone or tries to get one just because of that....

Overall the target was wrongly directed...again we thought the commercials but good, but I guess still not good enough.
Haven't you heard that hip hop is dead? If you are going to use rap artists, at least use the guys with some talent (i.e. older guys). Although, yes, Luda definitely is one of the rare exceptions today with his skills. And Fat Joe is definitely from the old school! His career is over 15 years old. his first album is still his greatest. I think that the rap campaign was a minor positive - it energized the game's target audience, gamers 25 yo + who remember earlier times fondly.

I honestly don't think that commercials mattered much here. The game is what is is - the best marketing boost it would have received would have been better reviews and a price tag lower than the other games (even at $50). 2K didn't deliver a full next-gen game, so why charge the full price? Plus, even at $10 cheaper than other new releases, 2K would have grabbed some impulse buys, and hopefully spread the news about its game via word of mouth that way.

Finally, 2K should have emphasized the strength of APF 2K8 in what marketing it did put out there, namely its gameplay. I would have loved to have seen some statements out there like "The Best Playing Football Game Ever Created. Period." Or something like that.

A price drop versus Madden so soon could harm early sales for APF next time around (if there is a next time). If you wait a month, then you save $$$ with 2K football, apparently.

And BTW, your first post in this thread was ON POINT. Good one.
 
# 12 bukktown @ 08/07/07 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve_OS
"We're not terribly pleased and not disappointed. We're watching closely and are going to react proactively when Madden comes out. We know we're in competition with them."
React Proactively??????

Title of the thread is kind of misleading no? Seeing as it is taken from a part of the quote.....It could have just as easily been "T2 hardly disappointed by APF reception"

I've seen a lot of folks speculating that this means price-drop. I hope it means value-add. Dont drop the price. Raise it. Make a $20 expansion pack that is a fully-customizable 32 team franchise mode with generic players.
 

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