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We have just posted our Madden NFL 07 review. Find out what Mark Fossen had to say about it.
"There's no getting around it: last year's Xbox 360 debut of the Madden franchise was at best utterly underwhelming. A limited feature set, sloppy gameplay, and skimpy presentation left a bitter taste in the mouths of fans looking for some next-gen football. For those interested in the college game, that taste got washed out this summer by EA's excellent NCAA Football 07. Would the pro game follow suit? Was last year's debacle an aberration, or the start of a new generation?"

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# 1 KBomber @ 09/06/06 01:06 PM
Somewhere, somehow, OS is going to have to expand their numeric scoring system to provide greater coordination and relevance to the written commentary or just scrap the numeric scores altogether. Given that the review itself speaks to this issue in detail, I think it's time that this was seriously considered.

Overall an interesting enough read, but I question if the culmination of the commentary truly reflects something worthy of the associated numeric score. I'll be interested to read the regular Xbox review as I've spent some time with that game this week to see how it fares, but as said I think the review concept needs to be revisited on this site

There, haven't made a comment about the game, but I'm sure the "fan boy posse" is coming for me to label these commets as "*****-ade"

Have fun, people..............
 
# 2 aholbert32 @ 09/06/06 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
Somewhere, somehow, OS is going to have to expand their numeric scoring system to provide greater coordination and relevance to the written commentary or just scrap the numeric scores altogether. Given that the review itself speaks to this issue in detail, I think it's time that this was seriously considered.

Overall an interesting enough read, but I question if the culmination of the commentary truly reflects something worthy of the associated numeric score. I'll be interested to read the regular Xbox review as I've spent some time with that game this week to see how it fares, but as said I think the review concept needs to be revisited on this site

There, haven't made a comment about the game, but I'm sure the "fan boy posse" is coming for me to label these commets as "*****-ade"

Have fun, people..............
Havent we been through this before. You know that the reason that we assign a score is because OS wants to appear on gamerankings.com. That provides OS with greater exposure.

We have said numerous times to focus solely on the review and not the score. If you choose to focus on the score that not our fault...its yours.
 
# 3 jpup @ 09/06/06 02:53 PM
nice fair review. what could have been? that's what we are left saying.
 
# 4 KBomber @ 09/06/06 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by aholbert32
Havent we been through this before. You know that the reason that we assign a score is because OS wants to appear on gamerankings.com. That provides OS with greater exposure.

We have said numerous times to focus solely on the review and not the score. If you choose to focus on the score that not our fault...its yours.
Just as a note, it's a common lament, it's noted in the review so it's obvious that the good folks here understand it as an issue, so my suggestion is that rather than paying lip service to the issue, either fix it or scrap it.

Having it be largely irrelevant is actually YOUR problem, cowboy. I'm just making note of it. If the intent is to provide it so that it allows you inclusivity to Gamerankings.com, doesn't it also bear witness to the fact that it should be considered with relevance and not just be a "throw away".

If you don't want contentious opinion, shut down the forums. If you want to hear fair comment, take it on the chin when it's due and consider an approach of continuous improvement. That's my point

Cheers

Have fun......
 
# 5 bears4444x @ 09/06/06 03:25 PM
Terrible review. Tells nothing that you can't get from the forums or on other websites. Boring and long. Why do they keep letting this guy write reviews?
 
# 6 fossen @ 09/06/06 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
Somewhere, somehow, OS is going to have to expand their numeric scoring system to provide greater coordination and relevance to the written commentary or just scrap the numeric scores altogether. Given that the review itself speaks to this issue in detail, I think it's time that this was seriously considered.
I'll quote myself from the other thread ...

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It's really a matter of weight.

For me, a game is mainly on-the-field. That's what the overwhelming majority of the score comes from. As you'll note in the review, I really like the on-the-field gameplay of Madden 07, and it's only real huge black eye is the fatigue issue.
I think it's a fair score, but I think the review should be detailed enough that you could assign your own score based on your own weighting system.

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Originally Posted by bears4444x
Terrible review. Tells nothing that you can't get from the forums or on other websites. Boring and long. Why do they keep letting this guy write reviews?
Did I kick your dog or something? Piss in your cornflakes? Ban you in a previous life?
 
# 7 Foddzy @ 09/06/06 03:46 PM
It's a well written review IMO, the best I've seen (though thats not saying much considering whats out there!).

The one thing missing, and I think should have been mentioned prominently, is the cut-scenes replacing the walk-up to the line. There are so many strategic and tactical things happening during the walk-up to the line that it is inexcusable that there isn't at least an option to turn the cut-scenes off. This one design decision really shows the emphasis on game as opposed to simulation. There are many realistic aspects of Madden 07 for 360 but the end result is extremely arcadey IMO.
 
# 8 KBomber @ 09/06/06 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by fossen
I'll quote myself from the other thread ...
Like I said, just a suggestion for a way to improve the review process. If you don't want to continually here the lament, address the way you do things, otherwise, don't complain when people consistently come on here and say "it's an issue"

That you comment on the very fact in your review underlines that you understand it as an issue

Have fun............
 
# 9 fossen @ 09/06/06 04:08 PM
Hey - I definitely know it's an issue.

I hate the damn things.
 
# 10 DaveDQ @ 09/06/06 04:32 PM
I think the review is spot on and addresses many things other reviews haven't. One thing I think is "missing" is a little more on the framerate issues. Sometimes, the framerate in this game feels like the whole game is online with a little lag.
 
# 11 NYJets @ 09/06/06 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Foddzy
It's a well written review IMO, the best I've seen (though thats not saying much considering whats out there!).

The one thing missing, and I think should have been mentioned prominently, is the cut-scenes replacing the walk-up to the line. There are so many strategic and tactical things happening during the walk-up to the line that it is inexcusable that there isn't at least an option to turn the cut-scenes off. This one design decision really shows the emphasis on game as opposed to simulation. There are many realistic aspects of Madden 07 for 360 but the end result is extremely arcadey IMO.

I don't like them either, but you can hit a to skip them if you want.

I guess that might be a problem for random online games, but at least in the games I've played most people skip them.
 
# 12 Brian_OS @ 09/07/06 03:38 AM
What about about the horrible collision detection? My god it ruins this game. Dudes are running though me on the way to the end-zone!!! I think that deserved a mention in the review... I would give the game a 5 for that alone.
 
# 13 OneBadMutha @ 09/07/06 04:15 AM
This is the most honest review I've read from any site or magazine yet. It addresses things that I'd love for other mainstream publications to address to put pressure on EA to change some things.

Here's the thing I don't get about Madden most of all. We were told that none of the features from last gen carried over to this gen because the entire engine was being built from the ground up for next gen. If that's the case, why is there still last gen physics, animations, and A.I. While there's some new animations added, the general animation/collision detection engine feels the same where we still have suction blocking, Mario running, and QBs that drop back 20 yards in a blink of an eye.

If this engine was built from the ground up for next gen, why don't lineman really block yet? Why do we still get stuck running in place? Why does the defensive A.I. feel the same as it did when I bought Madden with my launch Xbox more than four years ago?

The truth is this franchise has done nothing to evolve on the field in the areas that really matter. All additions are "back-of-the-box" marketing ploys that really don't address the core part of the game.

I'm a hard core football fan and I believe anybody who wants a realistic sim like myself will be extremely disapointed with Madden. I honestly can't bring myself to enjoy it because of the steps backwards in realism and the problems that have now existed for an entire console generation carried over.
 
# 14 KBomber @ 09/07/06 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dQbell
I think the review is spot on and addresses many things other reviews haven't. One thing I think is "missing" is a little more on the framerate issues. Sometimes, the framerate in this game feels like the whole game is online with a little lag.
Just as a note, I want to make sure my point is clear. I'm disagreeing with the content of the review, just the corelation of the written review and the numeric score. It just seems as though the numeric score is a bit of a throw away, so really, why bother? I understand the gamerankings thing to a point, but is it really that important?

Just a question. Or two, I guess

Have fun.........
 
# 15 aholbert32 @ 09/07/06 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
Just as a note, I want to make sure my point is clear. I'm disagreeing with the content of the review, just the corelation of the written review and the numeric score. It just seems as though the numeric score is a bit of a throw away, so really, why bother? I understand the gamerankings thing to a point, but is it really that important?

Just a question. Or two, I guess

Have fun.........
It gives OS exposure. Rotten Tomatoes also lists us because of the score. Its a balancing act imo. The exposure that those two sites give OS vs the 1 or 2 people who post aftre each review that they dont think that score and the review correlate. That isnt meant as a shot at you but I would rather deal with a few people complaining about that and take extra exposure.
 
# 16 bigfnjoe96 @ 09/07/06 02:15 PM
Thanks for your time & effort . IMO even if a FATIGUE PATCH comes out. This title is no more than a 7. I have a WIDESCREEN TV & this Camera Option doesn't favor me @ all.

I'm surprised there was no mention of the somewhat Un-Realistic Offensive Playbooks, which have NO:

Roll-out Pass Plays
Play-Action Roll-Out Pass-Plays
Half-Back Tosses
Reverses & Double Reverses
Fleas-Flickers
Shovel-Passes

Especially when a game 2 years older has such plays available.
 
# 17 KBomber @ 09/08/06 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by aholbert32
It gives OS exposure. Rotten Tomatoes also lists us because of the score. Its a balancing act imo. The exposure that those two sites give OS vs the 1 or 2 people who post aftre each review that they dont think that score and the review correlate. That isnt meant as a shot at you but I would rather deal with a few people complaining about that and take extra exposure.
Still missing the point, if it is that important, especially given the light that score is used to drive interest in this site, why not make it relevant?

It's like saying seat belts are a relevant feature on a car but OS is only going to make them out of candy floss. Either do scoring and do it well, or don't do it. If the basic fact is that OS drops in scores as a throw away, why bother?

TO me it still comes down to you guys not wanting to offend EA, so the score is the carrot you throw out there to say "Hey, look guys, we still gave you a decent score" -- no offense but that is gut churning toadying

Have fun.........

PS: I give this thread an 8
 
# 18 aholbert32 @ 09/08/06 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
Still missing the point, if it is that important, especially given the light that score is used to drive interest in this site, why not make it relevant?

It's like saying seat belts are a relevant feature on a car but OS is only going to make them out of candy floss. Either do scoring and do it well, or don't do it. If the basic fact is that OS drops in scores as a throw away, why bother?

TO me it still comes down to you guys not wanting to offend EA, so the score is the carrot you throw out there to say "Hey, look guys, we still gave you a decent score" -- no offense but that is gut churning toadying

Have fun.........

PS: I give this thread an 8
I'm not missing the point. I responded to your last question with an answer. You asked "why bother" and I told you why. As for "doing scoring well" I feel that we do that already. I have never seen a review on OS where the written word was drastically different from the score. What you consider a 7 or an 8 may be different than what Fossen or I consider a 7 or an 8. I read Mark's review and I feel like a seven was appropriate. You feel different but the only opinion that matters really is Mark's since its his review.

Regarding not offending EA, that is a ridiculous statement. People on this board have to make up there minds. One week, OS is a 2K biased site and the next week we tailor our reviews so that we dont offend EA. If you did your homework, you would see that over the past year the large majority of EA games have recieved 6's and below from this site. Between many of the posts by our forum members and our reviews, EA is probably pretty offended already.

Finally, If Mark or OS is so easily swayed that we give EA better scores just so we dont offend them, why do you even bother reading the reviews? I damn sure wouldnt read or care enough to comment about a biased review. I think EA has IGN in their pocket, so I dont read their reviews and use that as a basis to buy a EA game.
 
# 19 fossen @ 09/08/06 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
Either do scoring and do it well, or don't do it. If the basic fact is that OS drops in scores as a throw away, why bother?

TO me it still comes down to you guys not wanting to offend EA, so the score is the carrot you throw out there to say "Hey, look guys, we still gave you a decent score" -- no offense but that is gut churning toadying
I have already explained, in detail, the thought process behind the score. It was a concious choice, and I've explained my reasoning. You haven't discussed it, preferring to continue to tilt at some windmill.

And I still get accused of "gut churning toadying"?

So, you can't simply disagree with my score you need to take potshots at my credibility? I'll just throw it out there that one review called bull**** on ESPN MLB, one review said "I crash every three innings, this thing gets a 1/10".
 
# 20 NYCNNJ @ 09/09/06 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve_OS
We have just posted our Madden NFL 07 review. Find out what Mark Fossen had to say about it.
"There's no getting around it: last year's Xbox 360 debut of the Madden franchise was at best utterly underwhelming. A limited feature set, sloppy gameplay, and skimpy presentation left a bitter taste in the mouths of fans looking for some next-gen football. For those interested in the college game, that taste got washed out this summer by EA's excellent NCAA Football 07. Would the pro game follow suit? Was last year's debacle an aberration, or the start of a new generation?"
DO YOU KNOW IF AND WHEN MADDEN 2007 UPDATED ROSTERS AND NCAA 2007 ALTERNATE UNIFORMS WILL BE AVAILABLE?
 

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