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We have just posted our MVP 06 NCAA Baseball review. Find out what Clay Shaver has to say about it.
"“Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.”

That was the credo of Gunnery Sergeant Thomas “Gunny” Highway in the Clint Eastwood classic “Heartbreak Ridge.” That’s what good Marines do in any difficult situation. There’s no surrender. You never stop fighting. You think. You act. You win."

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# 1 luv_mist @ 02/08/06 01:48 PM
Impressive review on the real. I'm definitely hyped about trying this one out after I get a solid amount of cash flowing the right way. I'm kind of proud EA stepped it up and got it solid.
 
# 2 Triggerfish @ 02/08/06 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by luv_mist
Impressive review on the real. I'm definitely hyped about trying this one out after I get a solid amount of cash flowing the right way. I'm kind of proud EA stepped it up and got it solid.

pretty damn accurate review for me! They had a great game and did not give up! Hopefully it sells well enough to put next year on the 360....I would order it now!
 
# 3 ghm125 @ 02/09/06 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Triggerfish
pretty damn accurate review for me! They had a great game and did not give up! Hopefully it sells well enough to put next year on the 360....I would order it now!
I agree, this game had me re purchase the xbox ,would be sweet on the 360!!



great job clay
 
# 4 KBomber @ 02/09/06 01:28 PM
No offense, but way overboard on the review. Compare this game to its predecessor and you come away with a very different opinion

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Lastly, I have to cover a great addition that has more to do with EA Sports then it does with the title MVP 06 NCAA Baseball specifically. This title is showcasing the first integration of EA’s ESPN license. Unlike the way it was utilized for mostly on-the-field presentation in the old 2K/ESPN titles, EA Sports has launched what they are calling “Online Everywhere.” As long as your system is connected and online, every time you boot the game, you will be essentially connected to the ESPN network for a live ticker, sports stories, and even ESPN radio updates. Although I have no research to back it up, I estimate that roughly…umm… 100% of sports gaming fans are also sports fans. This addition is a great glimpse at amazing things to come with online console gaming.
I'm going to argue the brilliance of EA's innovation on the ESPN integration from a couple of aspects. First, if you aren't online, this implementation is dead to you. That's it. Game over. So in the absence of that, what presentation elements are available that speak of the ESPN branding? None. Nada. Zilch. Does the onscreen presentation sparkle with that unique ESPN flavour? Nope. Do you get voice over? Sure, but is it of a higher quality than MVP 2005? I think not

For all of the aspects of baseball that MVP 2005 rendered so well, do you really get an experience in MVP 2006 that heightens the gameplaying experience overall compared to the earlier version of the game?

My money says "No"

An overwhelming review for what is only a good game. Not great. Good. There are some nice additions on the side of animations, but look at the overall graphical package, the features that have been removed and the general lack of character exhibited by this game and I'd argue that you have a game that has taken more of a sideways or even a backwards step than MVP 2005

That you can argue that this game so exceeds MVP 2005 is fraudulent, reprehensibly so

Isn't it time we expected more from the "industry leader" in virtual sports gaming? Quit apologizing for EA and start challenging them to offer more

It should start here

Have fun...............
 
# 5 Shaver @ 02/09/06 02:27 PM
 
# 6 injunwal @ 02/09/06 02:42 PM
Even though I do not share the same opinion as you on the overall quality of this game, any review that references one of the greatest characters in cinematic history ( Gunnery Sergeant Thomas “Gunny” Highway ) gets an A+
 
# 7 KBomber @ 02/09/06 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Clay_OS
That's a brilliant reply. Thank you for that

Have fun.............
 
# 8 Shaver @ 02/09/06 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
That's a brilliant reply. Thank you for that

Have fun.............
What would you prefer I do? Tell you that your opinions are "fraudulent" because they don't mirror mine?

Your assesment and "review" of the game and it's merits is great... unfortunately... you didn't write the review. I did. My opinion about the game is expressed in the article. Never does it say that my opinion is correct nor that other's opinions are incorrect. That's why I find it so comical (hence the laughing icon) that people find it necessary to deem other people's opinions false because it doesn't shadow their own.

The "Online Everywhere" integration is a non-issue for people without online capabilities... TRUE

The person who reviewed it had online capabilities.... TRUE

The integration was therefore a factor....TRUE

I can't score a game based on factors that I don't have at my disposable.

Should I rate a game down because left-handed people have a hard time playing it? Don't know... I'm right handed.

I thank you for expressing your opinion and making that post that someone was eventually going to make anyway.

I'm sorry that you did not get the same level of enjoyment out of the title that I do.
 
# 9 KBomber @ 02/09/06 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Clay_OS
What would you prefer I do? Tell you that your opinions are "fraudulent" because they don't mirror mine?

Your assesment and "review" of the game and it's merits is great... unfortunately... you didn't write the review. I did. My opinion about the game is expressed in the article. Never does it say that my opinion is correct nor that other's opinions are incorrect. That's why I find it so comical (hence the laughing icon) that people find it necessary to deem other people's opinions false because it doesn't shadow their own.

The "Online Everywhere" integration is a non-issue for people without online capabilities... TRUE

The person who reviewed it had online capabilities.... TRUE

The integration was therefore a factor....TRUE

I can't score a game based on factors that I don't have at my disposable.

Should I rate a game down because left-handed people have a hard time playing it? Don't know... I'm right handed.

I thank you for expressing your opinion and making that post that someone was eventually going to make anyway.

I'm sorry that you did not get the same level of enjoyment out of the title that I do.
As said:
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Originally Posted by KBomber
An overwhelming review for what is only a good game. Not great. Good. There are some nice additions on the side of animations, but look at the overall graphical package, the features that have been removed and the general lack of character exhibited by this game and I'd argue that you have a game that has taken more of a sideways or even a backwards step than MVP 2005
You can avoid all the issues with the game if you want, but I believe it does a disservice to your readers. I think we need to stop accepting anything that just makes it's way on down the pipe and start demanding that companies, especially ones like EA, begin to push the limits of their offerings. Like I said, you are way overboard in your praise of the game

Have fun.................
 
# 10 mjb2124 @ 02/09/06 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
Like I said, you are way overboard in your praise of the game
It's his opinion and his review of the game. How can you state that someone else's opinion is wrong because it doesn't coincide with yours?

I can also guarantee that Clay didn't give it a free pass because it was made by EA.
 
# 11 KBomber @ 02/09/06 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by joeboo
I can also guarantee that Clay didn't give it a free pass because it was made by EA.
9/10 suggests otherwise

Have fun.........
 
# 12 Shaver @ 02/09/06 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
As said:


You can avoid all the issues with the game if you want, but I believe it does a disservice to your readers. I think we need to stop accepting anything that just makes it's way on down the pipe and start demanding that companies, especially ones like EA, begin to push the limits of their offerings. Like I said, you are way overboard in your praise of the game

Have fun.................
Again... I appreciate your opinion and if you reread my review you will see that I specifically pointed out the graphics (not including animations) and sounds as a negative to the title. However, (again) as mentioned in the article, I don't put nearly the same importance on those elements as I do gameplay. The review would have likely sounded much different from someone who does hold visual and audio enhancements to a higher level of importance. And, that person wouldn't be wrong.

And, furthermore, a College Baseball game shouldn't have the same "character" as a MLB Game. It's not the same product.
 
# 13 Shaver @ 02/09/06 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
9/10 suggests otherwise

Have fun.........
 
# 14 mjb2124 @ 02/09/06 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
9/10 suggests otherwise
Actually it suggest that HE enjoyed the game and thought it was a good game.
 
# 15 KBomber @ 02/09/06 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Clay_OS
Again... I appreciate your opinion and if you reread my review you will see that I specifically pointed out the graphics (not including animations) and sounds as a negative to the title. However, (again) as mentioned in the article, I don't put nearly the same importance on those elements as I do gameplay. The review would have likely sounded much different from someone who does hold visual and audio enhancements to a higher level of importance. And, that person wouldn't be wrong.

And, furthermore, a College Baseball game shouldn't have the same "character" as a MLB Game. It's not the same product.
I appreciate your viewpoint but will say this. If we look at any scoring system we have to consider that when we assign full value 10/10 we are assessing all elements included to be superior.

If we step out of sports gaming for example, and look at a game like Ninja Gaiden Black, we see a game that combines flawless gameplay, beautiful presentation, along with fine-tuned attention to all details, whether they be sound, presentation, or any other part of the gameplay experience

Using that as a mindset, let's look at MVP 2006. Is the gameplay there? Sure for the most part it is and it even exceeds MVP 2005 in some areas of animation, as more have definitely been added, and in some of the gameplay features like analog fielding and hitting. But when we consider all the other elements of presentation and graphics, how do we assess the overall experience? To your own review, the graphics are well below the established standard for this current level of hardware. EA has been trotting out inferior graphical presentations, especially on the Xbox, where the standard practice has always been to do a straight port over from the PS2. That needs to be considered in any review

Similarly, and you have highlighted it, in other areas such as the commentary and even in the dynasty mode, MVP 2006 is below the standard of established titles in the EA family. The dynasty mode is decent but not as deep as either MVP 2005 or, should we compare to another NCAA property, any NCAA Football title circa 2003. In terms of the graphical presentation provided by even mundane elements like the menus and cut-scenes, again we see a product that is below established levels, not even comparing outside of EA properties, but within those

To my point, what we have is a game that plays well but falls short of the water mark in many other areas. A 9/10 suggests that it is above average in all areas, let alone gameplay. Understand, I am a fan of the MVP engine. I'm not a fan of the rest of the elements that should combine to make it a well-rounded title. I understand that a game can be incredibly fun to play and not be a beauty to look at, but at some point we do need to consider where the median is in the industry at large. Graphically and presentationally, MVP 2006 doesn't get there and regresses in those elements from last year. Does it need to have the same character as MVP 2005? No but it should have some character. Titles like NCAA Football and College Hoops have shown that you can do that, even with generic players

I can understand a score within the 7.5 - 8.0 range, but like I said, your score is over the top and doesn't take into consideration the critical elements of graphics and presentation that you yourself mention as being below par

They are still called "videogames" so those elements do need to be weighted to the capabilities shown by both current and next gen

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The graphics and sounds in this title are not nearly as polished as one would expect from a major release. The animations seem to be improving, but the player models themselves really look no better than back in the Triple Play days. Sure, it is gameplay over graphics for me, but the hardware is there. Pretty it up a bit.
You said it, I didn't. Your comments represent a graphical degradation of over three editions of the game

Bottom line, the score isn't reflective of the game and the overall tenor is much too agreeable to a product that misses the mark as much as it hits the sweet spot


Have fun.............
 
# 16 Shaver @ 02/09/06 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
I appreciate your viewpoint but will say this. If we look at any scoring system we have to consider that when we assign full value 10/10 we are assessing all elements included to be superior.

If we step out of sports gaming for example, and look at a game like Ninja Gaiden Black, we see a game that combines flawless gameplay, beautiful presentation, along with fine-tuned attention to all details, whether they be sound, presentation, or any other part of the gameplay experience

Using that as a mindset, let's look at MVP 2006. Is the gameplay there? Sure for the most part it is and it even exceeds MVP 2005 in some areas of animation, as more have definitely been added, and in some of the gameplay features like analog fielding and hitting. But when we consider all the other elements of presentation and graphics, how do we assess the overall experience? To your own review, the graphics are well below the established standard for this current level of hardware. EA has been trotting out inferior graphical presentations, especially on the Xbox, where the standard practice has always been to do a straight port over from the PS2. That needs to be considered in any review

Similarly, and you have highlighted it, in other areas such as the commentary and even in the dynasty mode, MVP 2006 is below the standard of established titles in the EA family. The dynasty mode is decent but not as deep as either MVP 2005 or, should we compare to another NCAA property, any NCAA Football title circa 2003. In terms of the graphical presentation provided by even mundane elements like the menus and cut-scenes, again we see a product that is below established levels, not even comparing outside of EA properties, but within those

To my point, what we have is a game that plays well but falls short of the water mark in many other areas. A 9/10 suggests that it is above average in all areas, let alone gameplay. Understand, I am a fan of the MVP engine. I'm not a fan of the rest of the elements that should combine to make it a well-rounded title. I understand that a game can be incredibly fun to play and not be a beauty to look at, but at some point we do need to consider where the median is in the industry at large. Graphically and presentationally, MVP 2006 doesn't get there and regresses in those elements from last year. Does it need to have the same character as MVP 2005? No but it should have some character. Titles like NCAA Football and College Hoops have shown that you can do that, even with generic players

I can understand a score within the 7.5 - 8.0 range, but like I said, your score is over the top and doesn't take into consideration the critical elements of graphics and presentation that you yourself mention as being below par

They are still called "videogames" so those elements do need to be weighted to the capabilities shown by both current and next gen


You said it, I didn't. Your comments represent a graphical degradation of over three editions of the game

Bottom line, the score isn't reflective of the game and the overall tenor is much too agreeable to a product that misses the mark as much as it hits the sweet spot


Have fun.............
So...as I suspected... you're hung up on the score and as has been stated literally hundreds of times on OS... read the review... not the score.
 
# 17 KBomber @ 02/09/06 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Clay_OS
So...as I suspected... you're hung up on the score and as has been stated literally hundreds of times on OS... read the review... not the score.
You can't say this.......

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Originally Posted by Clay_OS
“Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.”

That was the credo of Gunnery Sergeant Thomas “Gunny” Highway in the Clint Eastwood classic “Heartbreak Ridge.” That’s what good Marines do in any difficult situation. There’s no surrender. You never stop fighting. You think. You act. You win.
....then temper those comments with this.....
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Originally Posted by Clay_OS
While the advancements are fantastic, and you’ll find a rock-solid gameplay experience within, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out a few negatives. The graphics and sounds in this title are not nearly as polished as one would expect from a major release. The animations seem to be improving, but the player models themselves really look no better than back in the Triple Play days. Sure, it is gameplay over graphics for me, but the hardware is there. Pretty it up a bit.
... in order to arrive at this conclusion
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Originally Posted by Clay_OS
They took an existing series that worked; did a 180 when they lost their MLB license - and produced a product with more features that was even better. Not only that, they were first to market in the baseball game race by weeks. As a sports gaming and baseball fan, I’m excited to think about what the team can do with a full year to prepare for next year. More teams. More stadiums. We’ll likely even see a deeper Dynasty mode like its gridiron counterpart. The sky is really the limit here.

They improvised. They adapted. They overcame.
They didn't. They failed to deliver in critical areas, so while the gameplay is fine, the overall impact does not round into an extraordinary gameplay experience. And you can hedge your bets all you want by saying the score isn't indicative of the review, but if it is that much of a throw away, why include it at all? To me it makes sense if you consider both equally

Take it as you will

Have fun.............
 
# 18 fossen @ 02/09/06 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
9/10 suggests otherwise

Have fun.........
If you think Operation Sports somehow gives EA a free pass ....
you
haven't
been
paying
attention.
 
# 19 KBomber @ 02/09/06 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fossen
If you think Operation Sports somehow gives EA a free pass ....
you
haven't
been
paying
attention.
That's great, but based on the reality of the title being reviewed and the impression provided by said review, you guys sure haven't paid attention to the game that this review is based on either

The review is inconsistent with the game, both in how the numeric score relates to the written review and in how the written review conveys the overall game experience. Throw anything else out there that you want, but that's pretty apparent

That's one man's opinion in snowy Guelph

Have fun................
 
# 20 fossen @ 02/09/06 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KBomber
That's great, but based on the reality of the title being reviewed and the impression provided by said review, you guys sure haven't paid attention to the game that this review is based on either

The review is inconsistent with the game, both in how the numeric score relates to the written review and in how the written review conveys the overall game experience. Throw anything else out there that you want, but that's pretty apparent
So you don't agree with the review. You don't think it's a good review.

Fine.

But to go from that to asinine potshots at the site's credibility with comments like "Quit apologizing for EA", is a huge step. You've been proven wrong on that count - that somehow OS hands out good scores to EA. At this point, you owe Clay and the site an apology for such a comment .... instead, you sidestep the issue.
 

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