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Well, at the risk of making some people upset in here (and I'm not trying to, really!), I think I've figured out the nature NCAA Football 06 after five weeks of play.

It's not a "sim".

Now before anyone goes nuts and tries to tell me that I...{br}{br}View the Entire Article{br}

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# 1 Radja @ 07/14/05 08:48 PM
excellent editorial.

that is the best definition of the ea football style i have read. i have tried to say the same thing before to others, but not with your clarity, but in person some argue before you even start.
 
# 2 sportzhead @ 07/14/05 08:56 PM
Very well said.
 
# 3 deeman11747 @ 07/14/05 09:03 PM
Excellent job.
 
# 4 luv_mist @ 07/14/05 09:46 PM
Ironically, I feel that this has been the best definition I've heard of also. I don't play football but within a title, you see the "character of a company. Not necessariily a bad thing of course. It is a good thing in its own respect. Was expecting more conflict about this. Still have time....
 
# 5 paysworld @ 07/14/05 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Splinters From The Pine
Well, at the risk of making some people upset in here (and I'm not trying to, really!), I think I've figured out the nature NCAA Football 06 after five weeks of play.

It's not a "sim".

Now before anyone goes nuts and tries to tell me that I...

View the Entire Article
Well you hit the nail right in the coffin my friend. I completely agree with you. This game has many sim elements to it, but when it comes down to it, if you really want to win, guess what, throw everything that's fundamentally sound out the window. It is still relatively easy to just lob one out over defenders, the mario running, ai players unaware of their surroundings. There are just so many little things, that constantly reminds you that you are still playing a game after all.

Do I criticize EA for sticking with a formula that has worked since the early 90's, off course not. The last time I checked, there still sell millions and millions of copies. When people stop buying their product, maybe a change will come. They have a winning formula and they stick with it. I grew up on Madden and Lakers vs Celtics. I still enjoy their games, but when it comes to football, The Visual Concept team just won me over.
Last year's 2K5 was far from perfect, but you know what, they just seemed at little hungrier. I pop in the game occasionally, and i'm still amazed by it. When I lost in 2k5, against friends, I knew why I lost, most of the times I was'nt executing, and I would go back to the drawing board, plotting my next game. When it came to Madden or NCAA for that matter, I took losses in stride, knowing full well, I was not playing a simulation of football, but rather an arcade version of football albeit with all the tangibles of a real football game. long live competition.
 
# 6 Zlax45 @ 07/14/05 11:57 PM
Great Article and I agree completly. When you used to struggle in the 2K games it was because your team had defincies and you had to adjust..There is not reason to adjust here.
 
# 7 gooberstabone @ 07/15/05 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Zlax45
Great Article and I agree completly. When you used to struggle in the 2K games it was because your team had defincies and you had to adjust..There is not reason to adjust here.

That's how I feel as well. If you don't stick to your teams bread-'n'-butter in the 2k series, it makes it very hard to win.

Ironically, the EA style of football sports the better "sim-stat engine" of the two in many peoples opinion.
 
# 8 gooberstabone @ 07/15/05 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Splinters From The Pine
Well, at the risk of making some people upset in here (and I'm not trying to, really!), I think I've figured out the nature NCAA Football 06 after five weeks of play.

It's not a "sim".

Now before anyone goes nuts and tries to tell me that I...

View the Entire Article
... And this being the case, this generation, next-gen, and every generation to follow of EA football games will feature the same basic style and feel of gameplay because there are more and will always be more casual gamers than hardcore gamers.
 
# 9 bogeyexpress @ 07/15/05 06:31 PM
It's been said again and again, but I will say it again. As I am tapping my nose, "you hit it right there, on the tip of the nose!" Being a 35 year old gamer, I was one of those rabid 2K fans you spoke about. Although, I have been an NCAA fan, just not as good at it as some, I don't consider myself a "joystick jockey" anymore. The reflexes have slowed, LOL!! This too, the exclusivity you spoke of, will lead me back to Madden after a 4 year hiatus. 2K is definitely a SIM, but NCAA is still alot of fun, just frustrates the heck out of me alot of the time, LOL!!

AWESOME EDITORIAL!!
 
# 10 cooldude @ 07/15/05 11:17 PM
Great stuff.
 
# 11 cbearnm @ 07/20/05 03:29 PM
Wow, I'm glad to finally hear a voice in the media that feels the way that I (and many of my friends) do.
I joined up with a great group of guys about a year ago to form a 2K5 League. We are all over 35 and committed to playing true sim style football in the league. We have developed a great comraderie and play many other games together as well (ESPN MLB, from 2K included). NCAA and Madden are not even being considered, except by a few. There is no real 'league' interaction to the EA product. It's more about the flash and style of the arcade.
We are extremely glad and thankful that 2K has kept their servers up for the next 'season'. It will truly be a sad day when they come down.
It's tough to say I'll boycott EA, they just publish too many games, but 2K has my utmost loyalty.
I would much rather play the Blitz (Midway) style game than EA's abomination. At least they are honest enough to market the game as a parady of the NFL. All the Hit Stick and Passing Cone features of EA are just annoying.
I realize that the NFL is who was pushing the exclusivity aspect and can't really fault EA (and their shareholders), but come on and make a true sim game as well. Work with 2K to make a game for the purist and keep Madden/NCAA for the arcade player.
 
# 12 tirk @ 07/20/05 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cbearnm
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I would much rather play the Blitz (Midway) style game than EA's abomination. At least they are honest enough to market the game as a parady of the NFL. All the Hit Stick and Passing Cone features of EA are just annoying.
I realize that the NFL is who was pushing the exclusivity aspect and can't really fault EA (and their shareholders), but come on and make a true sim game as well. Work with 2K to make a game for the purist and keep Madden/NCAA for the arcade player.

i enjoy both the ncaa and 2k series very much. I surely didnt expect last years espn 2k5 to be as great as it was. i think its the best developed sports game ive played. i surely was pissed when they lost the rights but hopefully EA will realize there is a market for such games give us what we want.

the fact it was 19 bucks was surreal.
 
# 13 hawgfan James @ 07/22/05 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cbearnm
I joined up with a great group of guys about a year ago to form a 2K5 League. We are all over 35 and committed to playing true sim style football in the league.
I have to know you by another name cause I am in an Over35Only football league of Rusty's??

Anyway. The article was perfect. EA is an arcade game. I do play the NCAA football and have a good time with it. It is not a bad product and there are a ton of elements that I like.

But when you get right down to comparing the actual gameplay... 2k5 was nearly perfect.. if you wanted a challenging, realistic sim.

You could play a 15 min quarter game of 2k5 and have scores 17-14... 7-3.. 10-7.... not the most exciting games but realistic.

You play 15 min quarters in NCAA and you would be looking at 200-192!

They make the big plays all too easy.

Whenever I hit a big play in 2k5 I think its a special thing. When I make one in EAs NCAA its expected and comes way too often.

Its horrible that EA scooped up the rights to the NFL because they were 2 different games that appealed to different people.
 
# 14 bangpow @ 07/23/05 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by hawgfan James
But when you get right down to comparing the actual gameplay... 2k5 was nearly perfect.. if you wanted a challenging, realistic sim.

You could play a 15 min quarter game of 2k5 and have scores 17-14... 7-3.. 10-7.... not the most exciting games but realistic.

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Unless, of course, your opponent ran nothing but flag routes and scrambled with the QB all game long. And last time i checked, I don't think i see DB's in the NFL run around in circles while the ball is in the air.

All that being said, NFL 2K5 was no more or less of a sim than Madden. ESPN and Madden are NOWHERE near perfect.
 
# 15 pfunk880 @ 07/23/05 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by bangpow
All that being said, NFL 2K5 was no more or less of a sim than Madden. ESPN and Madden are NOWHERE near perfect.
But I think it's aim was to be more of a sim, at least IMO.

That's definitely not EA's aim.
 
# 16 bogeyexpress @ 07/23/05 11:43 AM
Neither is perfect, BUT ESPN 2K series is far more of a SIM than Madden or NCAA. Madden and NCAA seem to much like an arcade game.

I am holding out hope that Madden has stolen some of the SIM elements of the 2K series since they bought them out of the competition. Anyway you look at it, I already bought NCAA, like it, but it frustrates me. Pre-ordered Madden, so I am giving my $$ to EA although I think the 2K series is far superior w/ the NFL product. Just my 2 cents.
 

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