SVG and Otis Smith fired....

[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by DonkeyJote

Rondo isn't the number one scoring option, but he is the go-to guy. Just because his possessions end in assists, and not field goal attempts. He's the best player on a Eastern Conference Finals team. He's a #1 because teams put their best defenders on him. Bosh and Westbrook are only not #1's because of who their teammates are. If you're using teammates as a criteria, clearly Dwight is a #1, because there's no one else on that team. I'm using numbers to supports something. I've also used how the offense has changed and became stagnant as an examples. You've come with nothing. First, he may only have talked about 3 moves, but that video showed a lot more. It showed a jumper, a hook with either hand, a running hook with either hand, plenty of spins down low, and face-up drives to the basket. This year, he also relied more on a baseline drive. In his second point, he's saying even with his "limited" post move-set, the guy cannot be guarded by anyone in the league 1 on 1. And as far as free throws, obviously he needs to continue to get better. There's a risk there, though. Last year, he shot .596. They rebuilt his freethrow technique this year, and he went down to .491. That's not good enough. But, you know, I could live with .596 from him. The thing with Dwight, imo, is that he's being piled on because of the whole trade scenario. SVG is a saint, and did nothing wrong, and is the victim. Dwight is a terrible person who maliciously runs to the owner to try and get people fired for his own selfish needs. I'm not saying that SVG is a terrible person, or that Dwight is a saint. The truth is somewhere in between. But people tend to forget that.

My dude please. Rondo is not a number one. Bosh and Westbrook are not number ones because they don't fit for that spot. Westbrook could be a number one without Durant if he ever improves his decision making on a consistent basis. Rondo also isn't they're go-to-guy. I respect and fully endorse the idea of looking beyond just looking at the scoring numbers in basketball discussions (which is ironic that you're pushing Dwight as a 1 based on just his scoring numbers and not the other stuff, but putting emphasis on the other stuff and not the scoring for Rondo) but you simply cannot be a team's go-to-guy if at the end of the day the ball has gotta go to somebody else to make something happen. Rondo is fantastic, he's great. However the Boston Celtics will go as far as Paul Pierce takes them. Been that way for a while now. Sure they need Rondo, they need all those guys working as a unit. But the most important cog in that machine is Pierce.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by DonkeyJote

How can you be elite, but be a #2? Whenever I watch Magic games, it's not that he's posting up, not able to get inside, and passing it back out again. They don't even throw him the ball half the time. It's iso, iso, iso, 3. Repeat. They'll occasionally throw into him, and once in a blue moon run a pick and roll with him. Even if he isn't a #1, who on that team is? Ryan Anderson? Jason Richardson? Hedo? He led the team in scoring by 4.5 points this year, 7.3 last year. He's led the team in scoring every season but his rookie year, despite not being the #1 option on offense. Look at that video that guy posted. Even with "terrible" footwork, he's still getting in good position and getting the points. When he does get the opportunity to get more shots, he produces.

Guys like Kevin Garnett, Scottie Pippen and David Robinson had hall of fame careers being elite and not "#1" players or "Batman" as the term for it these days. It takes great players in all roles to win a championship. All great players don't have to fill THAT role. Dwight isn't that player.

The team doesn't have a #1 which is a problem, but has nothing to do with the discussion. If we're going to relate it, it'd be that Dwight masquerading as a #1 plays a huge role in how bad their offense looks. He hasn't proved anything with more touches, just that when he takes more shots he continues to make them. He's still taking the same shots, it's just whether or not the flow of the game puts him in position to take more or not. Considering he's averaging 13 shots a game, it isn't going to happen enough.

Quote: Originally Posted by DieHardYankee26

They're saying he is a number 1, but he shouldn't be. Basically, if he's the number 1 on your team, you're not going to win (as he is now, barring improvement of course)

Short and sweet.

[King_B_Mack]

Just wanna point out that watching the Heat-Celtics right now and Mario Chalmers is guarding Rajon Rondo. Apparently Chalmers is the Heat's best defender.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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First, he may only have talked about 3 moves, but that video showed a lot more. It showed a jumper, a hook with either hand, a running hook with either hand, plenty of spins down low, and face-up drives to the basket. This year, he also relied more on a baseline drive.

And I can post videos all day of Duhwight getting shutdown in the post by GOOD defenders, but what exactly will that prove?

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In his second point, he's saying even with his "limited" post move-set, the guy cannot be guarded by anyone in the league 1 on 1.

So you're saying that he's unguardable and can't be stopped or held in check by anyone on the other team right? If this is what you two are saying, then you're wrong because it's already happened.

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And as far as free throws, obviously he needs to continue to get better. There's a risk there, though. Last year, he shot .596. They rebuilt his freethrow technique this year, and he went down to .491. That's not good enough. But, you know, I could live with .596 from him.

If YOU can live with that, then that's fine. Just don't get upset when teams are putting him on the FT Line on purpose and he's not hitting FTs down the stretch.

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The thing with Dwight, imo, is that he's being piled on because of the whole trade scenario. SVG is a saint, and did nothing wrong, and is the victim. Dwight is a terrible person who maliciously runs to the owner to try and get people fired for his own selfish needs. I'm not saying that SVG is a terrible person, or that Dwight is a saint. The truth is somewhere in between. But people tend to forget that.

And some of those truths, you've continue to ignore because according to you, Duhwight did nothing wrong and is the victim in all of this, including prior to this year.

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They're saying he is a number 1, but he shouldn't be. Basically, if he's the number 1 on your team, you're not going to win (as he is now, barring improvement of course)

Thank you, good sir.

[DonkeyJote]

Dwight isn't the victim. But he also isn't the villain. But I also didn't have a problem with Lebron last year.

If you have video of the last two years of Dwight getting shut down one on one, let's see it. Because when I watch Magic games, if they actually try and go down low, he does extremely well. Maybe I'm missing something. But when given the opportunity, the guy dominates down low.

And if Dwight isn't a #1, how many players are? 7? 8?

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[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by DonkeyJote

Dwight isn't the victim. But he also isn't the villain. But I also didn't have a problem with Lebron last year. If you have video of the last two years of Dwight getting shut down one on one, let's see it. Because when I watch Magic games, if they actually try and go down low, he does extremely well. Maybe I'm missing something. But when given the opportunity, the guy dominates down low. And if Dwight isn't a #1, how many players are? 7? 8? Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk

Why does any of this matter? What are you arguing bc it doesn't seem like the same thing any of us are talking about.

In short, you claim he should be treated like a #1 option for the team to reach ultimate success which would be a championship. This thread is about SVG so to connect all the dots, SVG didn't give him the ball enough and instead ran an offense that just had guys jacking up 3's when they should've been pounding it in to their center who shoots 60% from the field.

We've given countless reasons why he's not worth of that strategy and how his FG% is a bit deceiving (just giving him the ball more doesn't mean he's going to make more shots).

All this extra just makes it seem like you're a Howard fan that is upset at any criticism about him.

[Rawdeal28]

Quote: Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan

1. Funny you say he has more than that, but still can't come up no more than 3 moves in the post he can peform. 2. What are you even talking about in your second point? Just ranting on for no reason lol 3. I agree, so what if he can't shoot FTs. It's not like they're an important factor of a great player's game and not like they'll ever matter in a game anyway so why bother making them? Keep going with the excuses though because as we know with Duhwight, it's NEVER his fault. But you know who I do blame in this case? Lebron. And why? Because it's the easiest thing to do and anytime Duhwight does something wrong or can't do something, it's just easier to blame Lebron.

what??? lol

u think his post game is still awful, i dont. i think its good enough for him to get the ball on a consistent basis and get more shots.

Quote: Originally Posted by wwharton

Why does any of this matter? What are you arguing bc it doesn't seem like the same thing any of us are talking about. In short, you claim he should be treated like a #1 option for the team to reach ultimate success which would be a championship. This thread is about SVG so to connect all the dots, SVG didn't give him the ball enough and instead ran an offense that just had guys jacking up 3's when they should've been pounding it in to their center who shoots 60% from the field. We've given countless reasons why he's not worth of that strategy and how his FG% is a bit deceiving (just giving him the ball more doesn't mean he's going to make more shots). All this extra just makes it seem like you're a Howard fan that is upset at any criticism about him.

this is my point. run the offense inside-out.


anyway, stan is gone and i say good riddance in this case. if dwight stays im pretty sure the next coach will be getting him the ball more.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rawdeal28

this is my point. run the offense inside-out. anyway, stan is gone and i say good riddance in this case. if dwight stays im pretty sure the next coach will be getting him the ball more.

lol, and that's my point. There is a reason they run the offense they do. It's all good though. Dwight will be with a new coach next year either way, and I've got faith his game won't develop all that much between now and then so we can see for ourselves.

[Rawdeal28]

Quote: Originally Posted by wwharton

lol, and that's my point. There is a reason they run the offense they do. It's all good though. Dwight will be with a new coach next year either way, and I've got faith his game won't develop all that much between now and then so we can see for ourselves.

lol yeah, we just have different views.