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MMChrisS · 05-07-2012, 12:44 PM

We recently asked our staff what they thought of the initial feature releases of Madden NFL 13. Read their impressions of the tweaked gameplay and presentation after the jump!

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jmik58 · 05-07-2012, 01:16 PM

Good points and I'm glad that skepticism is winning out over fanfare at this point. My biggest concern is the implementation of what EA is calling "Read and React" defense. All I've hear about is that they've tweaked the DB's. However, "Read and React" is a concept that should be applied to ALL aspects of how the defense plays. Everyone on that side of the ball has keys to read and must attempt to react accordingly. Reads and reactions occur multiple times for defenders througout each play. EA hasn't addressed the concept other than eliminating psychic DBs. It feels and smells like a typical EA "over-hype". They give it the sweeping generalized name (Read and React Defensive AI) that makes you think it applies across the board, but in reality they may only be delivering on 10% of the true concept. This would be extremely disappointing to me. I feel there is little that could revolutionize the way we play football games other than correctly implementing Read and React Defensive AI across the board. If you make the defensive players "think" like they do in real life, you've got the closest thing to "real" that we've seen in football gaming.

thevaliantx · 05-07-2012, 04:31 PM

I stopped reading when mention was made of the 'skating' (aka "no foot planting animations") in Madden 13. No thanks, same old, same old.

jpdavis82 · 05-07-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by thevaliantx


	I stopped reading when mention was made of the 'skating' (aka "no foot planting animations") in Madden 13. No thanks, same old, same old.

Man I wish EA would fix that "Skating" issue so you guys would shut up. It's not the same old, same old just because they didn't take care of one thing. Such a childish way of looking at it. This team is well on their way to giving us the game of football we have always wanted and some people expect them to get all the way there in one year. It's never going to happen, I don't care if it's FIFA, 2k, The Show, you name it, no game is going to ever implement every feature you want in a year's time. Those games have been through years of development to get where they are and some would say nba2k went backwards this year after 2k11. Maybe EA hasn't done things the right way with Madden in the past but just grow up and get over it.

SageInfinite · 05-07-2012, 09:44 PM

Good read. In agreement with their thoughts.

bkrich83 · 05-07-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jpdavis82


	Man I wish EA would fix that "Skating" issue so you guys would shut up. It's not the same old, same old just because they didn't take care of one thing. Such a childish way of looking at it. This team is well on their way to giving us the game of football we have always wanted and some people expect them to get all the way there in one year. It's never going to happen, I don't care if it's FIFA, 2k, The Show, you name it, no game is going to ever implement every feature you want in a year's time. Those games have been through years of development to get where they are and some would say nba2k went backwards this year after 2k11. Maybe EA hasn't done things the right way with Madden in the past but just grow up and get over it.

The good news is, since he's given up on the game already, we won't have to listen to him rehash the same crap over and over again.

Smoke6 · 05-07-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jpdavis82


	Man I wish EA would fix that "Skating" issue so you guys would shut up. It's not the same old, same old just because they didn't take care of one thing. Such a childish way of looking at it. This team is well on their way to giving us the game of football we have always wanted and some people expect them to get all the way there in one year. It's never going to happen, I don't care if it's FIFA, 2k, The Show, you name it, no game is going to ever implement every feature you want in a year's time. Those games have been through years of development to get where they are and some would say nba2k went backwards this year after 2k11. Maybe EA hasn't done things the right way with Madden in the past but just grow up and get over it.

Sorry bro, but this is not a feature and its a key part of every sport known to man. With proper foot planting in madden, it would be a whole new ball game imo. This is nothing to shy from or "I cant wait til they fix it cuz im tired of hearing about it" type of issue. Many of the reasons madden is so disliked because it makes the game not feel authentic as you can stop and change directions on a dime even without stopping!

Good read tho!

UMhester04 · 05-07-2012, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke6


	Sorry bro, but this is not a feature and its a key part of every sport known to man. With proper foot planting in madden, it would be a whole new ball game imo. This is nothing to shy from or "I cant wait til they fix it cuz im tired of hearing about it" type of issue. Many of the reasons madden is so disliked because it makes the game not feel authentic as you can stop and change directions on a dime even without stopping! Good read tho!

Agreed. IMO if they change the running styles to make it so ALL the players have to plant their feet/shift momentum, I cannot explain how much better the game will play.

I do not understand how the most basic aspect of ANY SPORT, ESPECIALLY football (movement), is so mis represented. This should be the number one aspect of the game they should have worked on, as the game of football is all about angles, speed, momentum. It is mind boggling!!

jpdavis82 · 05-07-2012, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by UMhester04


	Agreed. IMO if they change the running styles to make it so ALL the players have to plant their feet/shift momentum, I cannot explain how much better the game will play. I do not understand how the most basic aspect of ANY SPORT, ESPECIALLY football (movement), is so mis represented. This should be the number one aspect of the game they should have worked on, as the game of football is all about angles, speed, momentum. It is mind boggling!!

Well with this new development team I am sure they would have had this fixed already, but seeing as we are now at the end of the console's lifespan and this is the new dev team's first year on Madden and Cam Weber's first Madden, I think they decided just to wait to implement the all new gameplay engine for the next console. Otherwise it would be inexcusable for a team that is so committed to improving gameplay first and foremost and doubled the size of their gameplay team as their first move.

UMhester04 · 05-07-2012, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jpdavis82


	Well with this new development team I am sure they would have had this fixed already, but seeing as we are now at the end of the console's lifespan and this is the new dev team's first year on Madden and Cam Weber's first Madden, I think they decided just to wait to implement the all new gameplay engine for the next console. Otherwise it would be inexcusable for a team that is so committed to improving gameplay first and foremost and doubled the size of their gameplay team as their first move.

Makes perfect sense. I was just saying back when this generation started, somewhere between then and now they should have invested a good ammount of money into a movement system. I understand that I am preaching to the choir but it just my mind how a game developer couldnt think of this.

When are the new consoles supposed to be coming out anyways?

05-07-2012, 01:16 PM	#2
jmik58 Cover 2 OVR: 42 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,944 Blog Entries: 261	Good points and I'm glad that skepticism is winning out over fanfare at this point. My biggest concern is the implementation of what EA is calling "Read and React" defense. All I've hear about is that they've tweaked the DB's. However, "Read and React" is a concept that should be applied to ALL aspects of how the defense plays. Everyone on that side of the ball has keys to read and must attempt to react accordingly. Reads and reactions occur multiple times for defenders througout each play. EA hasn't addressed the concept other than eliminating psychic DBs. It feels and smells like a typical EA "over-hype". They give it the sweeping generalized name (Read and React Defensive AI) that makes you think it applies across the board, but in reality they may only be delivering on 10% of the true concept. This would be extremely disappointing to me. I feel there is little that could revolutionize the way we play football games other than correctly implementing Read and React Defensive AI across the board. If you make the defensive players "think" like they do in real life, you've got the closest thing to "real" that we've seen in football gaming. marshallfever and dirtguru like this.

05-07-2012, 09:44 PM	#5
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05-07-2012, 04:31 PM	#3
thevaliantx Banned OVR: 8 Join Date: Jul 2011	I stopped reading when mention was made of the 'skating' (aka "no foot planting animations") in Madden 13. No thanks, same old, same old.