Madden NFL 13 Video Interview - EA Tiburon Breaks Down Some of the New Changes

[Smoke6]

Quote: Originally Posted by ClevelandFan

As long as exploits/glitches are there, they will be abused. If you can't get over that, then you should stop playing.

Funny, why couldnt it be the other way around like...

If you feel you gotta cheat to win, then you should find something else to play?

Oh, and thanks for the banning TGL, I dont thinks its badmouthing when its the truth. I posted the perfect example of what you say you are not about from your very own forum to plead my discussion here. You come here to save face after the fact I have been flamed to hell and back trying to figure out why you guys bother with finding and publishing these exploits each and every year. I puts up with it, I deals thru all that to make sure others get a fair shake in the madden community. But not once have you ever posted saying that this type of gameplay is not what TGL is about, but when I post something that gets peoples attentions and makes your site look bad, then it goes all bad. But yet, your guys follow me around posting everything I post in other forums and thats OK?

Perfect example right here folks, these guys have nothing else better to do but harness the tired-less complaints form us each and every year as they sit back and laugh and say we just suck and to find something or somewhere else to play.

Cant take the heat so they kick the chef out the kitchen!

But anyways, sorry to derail guys but my complaints come from the type of gameplay I am playing against when I go online. Im not that offline guy I used to be anymore as I get enjoyment from a live player and have been waiting for online sports play for a while now.

I truly do feel some of these issues wouldnt be if it wasnt for what just went on in this thread!

They been waiting to Ban me from there anyway, *yawn*!

[sgibs7]

Quote: Originally Posted by Smoke6

Thats good to know, and its funny how everything you say and feel is exactly what the freestyle scene as always been about, but at the same time you are going up against Gibs and TGL as they are saying the exact opposite and I still dont know what the difference is between the SIM and Freestyle! This is a headache in itself! We a have a used to be freestyle play (cleveland) and 3-4 other freestyle players in here saying the opposite of what you say. But I guarantee you go to virgin and check the records and feedback of any of them and the members who attended the recent NY event, most of their feedback will tell you how they play and get down. They will say exactly what cleveland says! Guys that have cheated and lost to me, left me bad feedback and detailing what they did to but saying that I did it to them. I couldnt take it from that point on, that was just some plain out BS coming from a community of guys whose site thrived on MC winners who played this way to get their payday. Now there here saying its not like that anymore, WOW! I bet you any money or just for crap and giggles, that this last VG tourney winner cheated or glitched, whatever you want to call it. If not then what rules were there GIBS as there were no rules at all to enter or qualify for these events?

the biggest one this year - blocking kicks.

we have talked many times man and i respect the passion that you have for the game. its the same passion i have for the game.

i have always taught people to play the game the same exact way that I play the game and thats within "The 5 Sets for Success".

Power Run Game
Quick Pass
Man Beater
Zone Beater
X-Factor

its all based on what your opponent is doing to you and how you want to counter what you are seeing.

im totally with you that the 155 shake is a exploit. however i dont think its a glitch. i do feel for the guys that come home from work and look to get on the game but feel cheated bc they see something like that.

however I look at it as more of a educational problem with how to counter what you are seeing. everything in the game has a counter to it (minus something like fg kicks, which i consider a glitch bc it has now counter). I know the sim crowd still sees flaws with this thinking and i respect that to no end.

thats more of a choice though. do you want to continually be frustrated by things you are facing in online gameplay or do you want to know how to counter what you are seeing? just kinda depends what camp you fall in.

you let me know what you are having trouble with and I can help you counter it and make your oppponent pay for doing it to you. just gotta get in the lab and figure it out!

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by ClevelandFan

When money is on the line, people are going to do whatever it takes to win, period. They aren't going to hold themselves back so they can be considered "sim" and feel good about themselves for doing so.

Correction, some people will do whatever the are allowed to do to win. If in the real NFL CBs could get away with PI every time a pass is thrown at them, they would. However, they can't because refs regulate, that's what I would like to see in online Madden competition for money or prizes.

[Smoke6]

Quote: Originally Posted by themaddenlab

Tournaments always have rules. Such as no blocking kicks or punts. No onside unless you are down in the 4th quarter. If there is a certain exploit in the game that year like a qb draw glitch, then it is banned at the tournament.

Those are the most obvious obnoxious of the glitches that are used, even a blind man can see whats about to happen when people start initiating it.

You guys keep claiming this "competitive scene" as if its the hierarchy of all madden players in a SIM fashion, but yet you keep putting down SIM gameplay as if it never should exist.

But you are still not giving us any clue to what any of this "competition scene" stuff is all about if its all that different from just playing football.

I just think you guys are afraid to even say so because you know there is some foul play involved and has always been.


If not, then we all should be on the same page then!

[themaddenlab]

Quote: Originally Posted by Smoke6

Funny, why couldnt it be the other way around like... If you feel you gotta cheat to win, then you should find something else to play? Oh, and thanks for the banning TGL, I dont thinks its badmouthing when its the truth. I posted the perfect example of what you say you are not about from your very own forum to plead my discussion here. You come here to save face after the fact I have been flamed to hell and back trying to figure out why you guys bother with finding and publishing these exploits each and every year. I puts up with it, I deals thru all that to make sure others get a fair shake in the madden community. But not once have you ever posted saying that this type of gameplay is not what TGL is about, but when I post something that gets peoples attentions and makes your site look bad, then it goes all bad. But yet, your guys follow me around posting everything I post in other forums and thats OK? Perfect example right here folks, these guys have nothing else better to do but harness the tired-less complaints form us each and every year as they sit back and laugh and say we just suck and to find something or somewhere else to play. Cant take the heat so they kick the chef out the kitchen! But anyways, sorry to derail guys but my complaints come from the type of gameplay I am playing against when I go online. Im not that offline guy I used to be anymore as I get enjoyment from a live player and have been waiting for online sports play for a while now. I truly do feel some of these issues wouldnt be if it wasnt for what just went on in this thread! They been waiting to Ban me from there anyway, *yawn*!

To ban someone you need a reason and the mod who banned you didn't give a reason. I didn't see a reason for you to be banned so I unbanned you.

As far as the forum goes, yes there are probably all kinds of things posted. Some things that are even glitches, I don't know because I cant possibly read all the threads. I was referring to our products. We don't sell glitches. We sell football strategy.

[Big FN Deal]

That's what I am talking about Smoke, where is the "spirit of the law" in the Madden competition?

For example, in Madden I can User control a defender and cover a receiver in a manner that would be penalized in the real NFL for a defensive holding or even defensive PI but that's not represented in the Madden program properly. So if I constantly use that to my advantage, does the "competitive scene" regulate that according to the NFL or ignore it because we are playing Madden and your opponent can do the same thing to you?

I think it's probably the latter and that's what I am talking about.

[themaddenlab]

I don't criticize either style of play. Personally, I'm more sim than anything. The leagues I have played in have had extensive rules like going deep into your playbooks and not using the same 3 plays all game. Rules like you have to punt on over 4th and 1 inside your own 40. Things like that. I would never play in a league that allows someone to runs qb draw every single play of the game. It s just my personal preference. I don't think my way is more important than anyone's else's style.

[SA1NT401]

Quote: Originally Posted by Smoke6

Please elaborate for me as to my main features of playing madden are ONLINE PLAY and ONLINE FRANCHISE. If you dont care about how people play in any of the above modes, then this debate would be non existent and every complaint thread would be null and void due to the fact that we just dont care about how anyone should play the game. You made no sense whatsoever! And WF, no need to messy up the boards, I just dont understand how one with soo much knowledge of the sport could condone this type of gameplay that helps degrade the game even more than it already is. Running animations, Passing trajectories, blocking, BLitzes and schemes, In online play, all these issues boil down to shady gameplay being the factor that opens up the eyes of players like me and see the flaw right then and there as its being abused. You guys keep thinking we dont know an overload blitz from a nano being set up. But when you slowly replay what just happened, its clear you are just exploiting the AI until your opponent catches on. For example the Shake glitch, you may know how to effectively counter such garbage, but the avg "i just got home from work, shut up woman get my beer" joe, will basically just give up playing and coming to a site like this ranting or just not caring to play anymore. But its still a glitch and a pathetic one at that. But show me a team, that sways its LB core back and forth and gets a speed burst the moment the ball is hiked when the personnel is clearly out matched from Olinemen to the 1 NT and LBs you have rushing in. LBs stunt at the line, but this shake is no stunt at all. How about the B-lines with the safety right thru the LOS when the ball is snapped by a manual controlled player? There really is no slide protection on run plays in madden to counter that, you just have to try and time the man coming thru or audible to a pass in which he will know is coming, but either way, for most of us here, its lose lose. But lets not ingore the main question I posed earlier. Elaborate on whats the difference in your guys way of playing from that of a SIM players way of playing. Or maybe you guys should lobby for an XFL version of football so you can do as you please as the masses already know what to expect and cant complain about it at all.

There's your problem....ONLINE.... I only play offline and aside from issues that have plagued the series forever... Most is pretty fixable-ish. Online is one of the biggest problems with madden.


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[sgibs7]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

That's what I am talking about Smoke, where is the "spirit of the law" in the Madden competition? For example, in Madden I can User control a defender and cover a receiver in a manner that would be penalized in the real NFL for a defensive holding or even defensive PI but that's not represented in the Madden program properly. So if I constantly use that to my advantage, does the "competitive scene" regulate that according to the NFL or ignore it because we are playing Madden and your opponent can do the same thing to you? I think it's probably the latter and that's what I am talking about.

if you could blatantly take a defender and cause a holding every play, or run into receivers and cause PI every play without a flag then yes it would be banned from happening.

[Smoke6]

Quote: Originally Posted by sgibs7

the biggest one this year - blocking kicks. we have talked many times man and i respect the passion that you have for the game. its the same passion i have for the game. i have always taught people to play the game the same exact way that I play the game and thats within "The 5 Sets for Success". Power Run Game Quick Pass Man Beater Zone Beater X-Factor its all based on what your opponent is doing to you and how you want to counter what you are seeing. im totally with you that the 155 shake is a exploit. however i dont think its a glitch. i do feel for the guys that come home from work and look to get on the game but feel cheated bc they see something like that. however I look at it as more of a educational problem with how to counter what you are seeing. everything in the game has a counter to it (minus something like fg kicks, which i consider a glitch bc it has now counter). I know the sim crowd still sees flaws with this thinking and i respect that to no end. thats more of a choice though. do you want to continually be frustrated by things you are facing in online gameplay or do you want to know how to counter what you are seeing? just kinda depends what camp you fall in. you let me know what you are having trouble with and I can help you counter it and make your oppponent pay for doing it to you. just gotta get in the lab and figure it out!

GIbs, its not fun at all facing the same type of cheap tactics game in and game out. I have followed your advice and all from all this year and before when you showed that it pays to play str8. I been good with that and appreciated that from you knowing our history.

Its just that no matter how good I am at stopping it, there are plenty of times where it does me no good and it just doesnt go my way at all.

I run into 4wr snugs and get the mesh or the deep slot streaks and its money, I lab a counter with some help form you a some guys over at TGL who were having issues aswell (most cheaters know how to counter there own mess) and I learend to stop it without any of the gimmicky-ness involved.

but I would say 2 out of 5 games I am completely shutdown from something I just stopped the previous 3 games. Its like hit or miss or maybe its the teams im facing that give me the most problems.

It should all be rectified with some of these new features im hearing about with the passing game. But it kills me when people initiate the over the shoulder catch animation at will and running close I counters with high school sized WRs blocking linemen and LBs better than the guys that get paid exclusively to do just that.

But you gave a good explanation on what im looking for as a response!

It just doesnt show when I play over at VG or anywhere else for money, those guys from TGL, when they play and beat me, they bragg about it and post about it, but its all good to everyone else there on how they achieved there win and barely at that!