OS Roundtable: Should Gamers Take a Second Look at NBA 2K12

[sead94]

With all do respect to the folks from this post praising 2k12 (great game, better then 2k11, etc.): What are you smoking guys? Are you kidding us? This game is so bad on so many things I just don't no where to start (btw playing NBA 2k series since 2k7): basic physics, simulation elements, movement (sliding in radius of 5-6m), delayed passing, shooting (a bit improved recently), pick en roll, fast breaks, defense, contesting shots, etc, etc. all core issues for a game. Not to mention stripped features, unnecessary "inovations" and 2Kepic online issues every year.

Just look at this video: http://goo.gl/e08IL

In what universe is this even a decent simulation game? Patch will of course be disappointing to many people outthere because there are so many things wrong that it is impossible to fix them through a patch.

[kolanji]

nba 2k12 is a swing and a miss...it just feels too deviated from basketball ...and more than often like its on rails.sure the game is pretty but at the sacrifice of fun factor.frustration is the most common emotion with nba 2k12 before any patches and somehow i think that patches will not be the answer to redeeming nba 2k12 they need nba 2k13 for that

[Lyvean]

It's only right the suffer in sales.

They filled people's heads with marketing talk and they produced a game that it barely on working state for peolpe who want a serious simulation.

The fact that My Player mode is so broken clearly shows this game for what it is: a cheap effort to take our money and DELIBERATELY cheat the customers. Unless there are people here who think that 2K didn't witness the serious bugs before release.

All companies act the same, though, it's not only 2k's style.

I can forgive some faults in 2k11 since it was a really step forward for so many mechanisms.

But to see THE SAME faults appear in this year's game? That is unacceptable.

We are paying customers, not guinea pigs.

So, less sales this year? That can only be a good thing for the series.

[ffaacc03]

Once you get pass the pre release inmense expectations, this year questionable decissions taken by 2k (specially the restrictions, removals, hidden and overlooks), the bugs and glitches and the recurrent online functionality failure ... it is a great game that I see as an even better base to build upon than its predecessor.

The upcoming start of the NBA season, the DLC, the "big" patch, the roster updates and ultimatelly is all around package, should suffice to awake the need to give this game a shot (or second shot). All the goods this game has, makes it worth it, specially since the price has now drop to $40.

[tcrews]

I'm amazed at what Jayson Young said. I have no idea if someone urinated in his coco puffs but I've never read such exaggeration or seen such a complete lack of bias towards a game on this site from a "professional" reviewer or staff writer or whatever he's supposed to be. You can dislike games all you want, but writing about how you're better off spending the $60 for a gym membership? You're also better off buying a real car than playing Gran Turismo, so what is your point? Was that supposed to be clever or witty? I really hope 2k doesn't take you too seriously, which I'm sure they don't. If not for 2k11 and 2k12's insane effort and attempts (successful) at realism, NBA Live/Elite would still be putting out horrible games.

I can agree with you that plays should be patched, and that passes should be tuned. But obliterating a game via interview on a website you're allegedly some form of professional on because of just those two things? That's lunacy.

Your quick, dim-witted comments are no different than someone asking you if they should give Red Dead Redemption another chance, and you replying no, because the horsey is too hard to control, it doesn't truly feel like riding a horse, and that makes the rest of the game terrible and unplayable. You have no business writing on here, people expect unbiased, objective, even-keeled opinions. Not someone who's gotten so peeved at the game for two problems that can and most likely will be fixed that they run up to homeless people and tell them not to buy 2K12, because that's what you come off as, you clown.

[Hardin]

I bought the game when it was on sale on steam for $20. It's pretty fun, but not as good as last years. This game seems to be a lot harder for me than the previous game. I think it will be even more fun to play when the NBA season begins.

[Serra11]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lyvean

So, less sales this year? That can only be a good thing for the series.

I completely agree with you.
Also I hope that the absence of competition from the other companies will end as soon as possible.
It's another aspect that allow the producers to NOT give the necessary and needed attention to the developing of the game.
Do you want to buy an Nba game???You HAVE to buy Nba 2k12.
Is it glitched and full of bugs???Who cares,soon or LATER we will give you a patch!

Onestly I like the game but I consider it...broken.
The complete absence of double team in low/high post mismatches and against hot players(2k11 had absolutly not problem in this area) take off a foundamental aspect of an Nba game.

[DBMcGee3]

I actually popped my 2k11 back in the other day just to compare, and c'mon guys, you can't tell me this year's game is worse than that. Almost every single thing being complained about here (passing, slow running plays, CPU bias, online problems, excessive animations) were just as bad or worse in last year's game. The playcalling last year was an absolute joke, the Jordan challenge was pretty much no fun at all because of the time constraints, and I thought the shot releases last year were way off, especially after the patch. The NBA Today function was also severely flawed last year. Jrue Holiday headshot anyone?

The only things I really feel they've gone backwards on are the in-game strategy (dpad) and some of the isomotion controls (I HATE the spinning jumper, layup, and dunk controls). I also still wish they had an actual hop-step button, although I realize it was easy to exploit at times .Still, it's a fun game, and much closer to the real thing than any other hoops game ever has been. We'll see what the patch has to offer.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Serra11

Also I hope that the absence of competition from the other companies will end as soon as possible. It's another aspect that allow the producers to NOT give the necessary and needed attention to the developing of the game. Do you want to buy an Nba game???You HAVE to buy Nba 2k12. Is it glitched and full of bugs???Who cares,soon or LATER we will give you a patch!

Okay some of you guys are getting ridiculous with the complaints. IT'S NO FAULT OF 2K'S THAT THERE'S NO COMPETITION. One competitor bowed out because of there just wasn't enough interest in the title (Sony's basketball game) and another produced a game that was so bad in comparison to 2K's that they had to take a few years off before attempting another game (EA's basketball game). 2K got to the point they're at now IN a competitive environment; it was the quality of the other titles which killed other NBA games being available. Yet you're complaining that if you want an NBA game you only have one choice. Maybe you as a consumer should've been more open to supporting these other titles so they could still be around.

It's highly unrealistic to expect these games to increase in complexity and expect developers to get it completely right on a game's initial release. This isn't just a 2K12 issue, or a sports game issue. I've seen people complaining about pretty much every major release this year from Batman AC (missing codes/codes not working), Battlefield & MW3 (online issues, issues with new online services), Uncharted 3 (aiming issues), & Skyrim (people complaining of bugs in an expansive free-roam world).

I guess I have a different perspective because I can remember playing MaddenXX with whatever rosters the game released with and accepting that was what you had to play with the entire year. There was no updating of rosters, let alone patches to tweak gameplay issues. People might not have liked it, but there wasn't a choice. And absent of choice we worked with what we were given. Now people are given so many additional options, that some gamers react indignantly if a game has issues at it's release. And blame developers for using patches, when imo it's gamers who's expectations have gotten way out of control/unrealistic.

[DJ]

Spank, you've been posting a lot of great stuff lately. Much appreciated.