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Old 05-20-2009, 06:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation OK someone please explain this to me....Regarding a win or loss for pitcher

I just lost a tough game vs the Orioles using the Yankees.

I was up 2-0 basically the whole game. Burnett was pitching a gem and in the 8th he gave up a single and a walk. I took him out with the score 2-0 and runners on first and second and 2 outs

as I make the change...The announcer says that Burnett leaves and is responsible for the 2 runners and I cant lose the game but can have a no decision if those runners score. which I know that

so I bring in Bruney and he gives up a single which scores the runner on 2nd and is now 2-1 with runners at the corners.

the runner at 3rd is still Burnetts walk.

the next batter Huff...hits a 3 run jack and the score is now 4-2 and i lose the game with that score.

The game ends and Burnett gets tagged with the loss...WTF

even his stats have him at 0-1
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah he should not have gotten the loss. The only thing I can think of and Im not sure it matters is did he pitch to that thrid batter at all before you took him out.

I dont know if he would get the loss for that, but I dont know why they would give him the loss
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Re: OK someone please explain this to me....Regarding a win or loss for pitcher

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Yeah he should not have gotten the loss. The only thing I can think of and Im not sure it matters is did he pitch to that thrid batter at all before you took him out.

I dont know if he would get the loss for that, but I dont know why they would give him the loss
No I did not pitch to the next batter...I walked the last guy and took him out...even the announcers said that he cant lose but can get a no decision if the runners both score...which they did but then they scored again and those runners were not mine..they were brunneys and i get tagged with the L...
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Old 05-20-2009, 07:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: OK someone please explain this to me....Regarding a win or loss for pitcher

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No I did not pitch to the next batter...I walked the last guy and took him out...even the announcers said that he cant lose but can get a no decision if the runners both score...which they did but then they scored again and those runners were not mine..they were brunneys and i get tagged with the L...
Can we get a screenshot of the box score?
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Re: OK someone please explain this to me....Regarding a win or loss for pitcher

Here is the screenshot of the boxscore...Notice that I got tagged for 2 earned runs and so did brunney which is a total of 4 earned runs and yet I got the loss eventhough my 2 runners that scored only tied the game up...

sucks that now i have a loss with burnett....

and I did not even notice that brunney got hit with a blown save eventhough it was the 8th inning...not even the ninth...wtf




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Old 05-20-2009, 08:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: OK someone please explain this to me....Regarding a win or loss for pitcher

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Here is the screenshot of the boxscore...Notice that I got tagged for 2 earned runs and so did brunney which is a total of 4 earned runs and yet I got the loss eventhough my 2 runners that scored only tied the game up...

sucks that now i have a loss with burnett....

and I did not even notice that brunney got hit with a blown save eventhough it was the 8th inning...not even the ninth...wtf
Blown saves are given out any innings a pitcher comes in a gives up the lead. Not just the ninth.

As far as the L, looks like a glitch.
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Re: OK someone please explain this to me....Regarding a win or loss for pitcher

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Blown saves are given out any innings a pitcher comes in a gives up the lead. Not just the ninth.

As far as the L, looks like a glitch.

Yea you are right...but blown saves are not really kept as stats yet SCEA has them right in this situation but hands me the loss which is a recognized stat....arrrrrr
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Re: OK someone please explain this to me....Regarding a win or loss for pitcher

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Blown saves are given out any innings a pitcher comes in a gives up the lead. Not just the ninth.

As far as the L, looks like a glitch.
Yeah, that should have definitely been a no-decision. Definite scoring bug if everything played out like you describe (and judging by the ER line, it did).

Thanks for posting the box - makes it a lot easier to confirm the scoring bugs. I'm sure it's easier for SCEA to take a look at too, if they happen to read this.
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:30 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: OK someone please explain this to me....Regarding a win or loss for pitcher

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Yeah he should not have gotten the loss. The only thing I can think of and Im not sure it matters is did he pitch to that thrid batter at all before you took him out.

I dont know if he would get the loss for that, but I dont know why they would give him the loss
It matters, here is the offical rule from MLB:

"(1) If, when pitchers are changed, the count is
2 balls, no strike,
2 balls, 1 strike,
3 balls, no strike,
3 balls, 1 strike,
3 balls, 2 strikes,
and the batter gets a base on balls, the official scorer shall charge that batter and the base on balls to the preceding pitcher, not to the relief pitcher.
(2) Any other action by such batter, such as reaching base on a hit, an error, a fielder’s choice, a force-out, or being touched by a pitched ball, shall cause such a batter to be charged to the relief pitcher.
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It matters, here is the offical rule from MLB:

"(1) If, when pitchers are changed, the count is
2 balls, no strike,
2 balls, 1 strike,
3 balls, no strike,
3 balls, 1 strike,
3 balls, 2 strikes,
and the batter gets a base on balls, the official scorer shall charge that batter and the base on balls to the preceding pitcher, not to the relief pitcher.
(2) Any other action by such batter, such as reaching base on a hit, an error, a fielder’s choice, a force-out, or being touched by a pitched ball, shall cause such a batter to be charged to the relief pitcher.
Cool thanks. I was thinking it did, but wanted to make sure. I was going to look it up later.
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