The Comeback AI thread

[Millennium]

You guys want a thread, here is your answer.

Two rules -

1 - Only people who believe there is comeback. No arguing against it.

2 - I have told the developers to not even open this thread. That way, those of you that want to talk about it can talk amongst yourselves.

3 - NOBODY, and I mean this wholeheartedly, accuses the developers of lying to you about the alleged comeback AI. It has been answered by them more than one time.

The previous threads were closed because of the arguing, the bickering, and the beating of too many dead horses. Everyone went round and round on the same points, and the circle restarted every time.

Continue to discuss if you wish.

[brunnoce]

thanx millenium, i think this shows the greateness of OS, meaning people are free to discuss whatever they think, offcourse aways repecting others.

btw, i completly support the rules u implemented.

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Coming back to where we were i think its good to suggest this for people having issues with comebacks on the game, please try to play some games with the option COMABACK AI HANDICAP turned to ON.... this has helped some users here, including me so i think its a valid suggestion.(i must also say that most of the people that this helped were playing on legend level.)

[Art1bk]

Thanks for creating this thread.

[chefdad]

While I didn't dive into either thread too much I did stay up with it. I haven't really decided which fence I'm on. On or Off but this topic makes for good reading. Thanks for opening a new one with some parameters.

[phillyfan23]

I applaud OS for re-creating this thread. People who believe in this theory are not looking for arguments so the rules implemented are a great thing.

Anyways, I agree with Bruno, turn comeback ON and should be solved. If not, we await for Swaldo's and JT30's test results regarding the importance of clutch.

Thank you OS.....

I knew you were the best site on the net and today proved how awesome you are.

[ochonflcinco85]

oh thiers no dought in my mind thier is cpu comebacks,cuz around the fith inning(almost every game)my pitcher just falls apart,after pitcing a great game

[davewins]

I applaud OS as well for doing this. OS is a private forum and they can do what they want. They chose to open this up and let everybody have their opinion on an issue in a civil manner. Hats off to you OS. This truly is the best sports gaming forum. Not even a question.

[DrUrsus]

First off, I don't have a definite opinion about this either way. I play All Star with a combination of pbz/blzer/psychos sliders, so personally, I haven't noticed it to a large degree. I play with CPU comeback OFF. I have seen some crazy comebacks, but don't know to attribute it to what you guys are seeing.

I do believe what SCEA says about not programming it that way, but I also know things happen when you make a game. Not saying either way of course if it is switched or anything just to make that clear.

Swaldo, mistakenly thought I was being critical of this comeback theory in the last thread because of my last post. I was merely trying to point out that you just have to accept how the game is and either use CPU comeback on or off, and that people were passionate about it both ways like religion. I remain open minded to what you guys are seeing.

But, I thought of a way to test this theory.

Play to a certain point in the game and save it before you think the comeback is going to happen since many of you feel that you can almost "feel" it coming.

Let things unfold, whether it be a comeback or not by the CPU.

Then reload the game, and play it out again.

If the CPU does in fact come back all the time, you could really see if it is "predetermined" or if what decisions and pitches, hitting, etc. you do really determines the game.

I have lost some games after reloading the save, that I later won when I did things differently, and vice versa. I have not run enough tests to say either way.

[brunnoce]

Quote: Originally Posted by DrUrsus

First off, I don't have a definite opinion about this either way. I play All Star with a combination of pbz/blzer/psychos sliders, so personally, I haven't noticed it to a large degree. I play with CPU comeback OFF. I have seen some crazy comebacks, but don't know to attribute it to what you guys are seeing. I do believe what SCEA says about not programming it that way, but I also know things happen when you make a game. Not saying either way of course if it is switched or anything just to make that clear. Swaldo, mistakenly thought I was being critical of this comeback theory in the last thread because of my last post. I was merely trying to point out that you just have to accept how the game is and either use CPU comeback on or off, and that people were passionate about it both ways like religion. I remain open minded to what you guys are seeing. But, I thought of a way to test this theory. Play to a certain point in the game and save it before you think the comeback is going to happen since many of you feel that you can almost "feel" it coming. Let things unfold, whether it be a comeback or not by the CPU. Then reload the game, and play it out again. If the CPU does in fact come back all the time, you could really see if it is "predetermined" or if what decisions and pitches, hitting, etc. you do really determines the game. I have lost some games after reloading the save, that I later won when I did things differently, and vice versa. I have not run enough tests to say either way.

dr, phillyfan did this exact test extensivly and he found some interest things, leading us to a comeback or rubberband code....

i bet hes gonna post it again here.

[S2S]

Dude, Don't take this as bickering because obviously once you get the end you'll realize it had a good outcome. But I too also believe that there's an AI comeback. I was playing a franchise game, I was playing it on manager mode. Jair Jurrjens pitching on the mound against the Nationals. Goes into the 6th with a 2 hitter, Doing pretty great. My Braves team had put up a 6 spot, Going into the bottom of the 6th. What happens? Jair gets the first out, He then proceeds to give up a 2 doubles, Scoring 2 runs, So I yank him and put in Jeff Bennett. He gives up a single, It's now 6 to 3, Me. He proceeds to give up another single and Josh bard comes up. After a first pitch ball, Bard cranks it over the wall to tie it up . You can assure I was cussing the game by this point but I pulled out of the inning tied. Top of the 7th my team hangs a 6 spot back on them and I eventually win it 13 to 8. But there for a second I thought it was going to let them roll all over my pitching again. ;/ .