AI Follow-up Questions...ie The Boys are back in town....

[Pared]

Yes, it would be nice if this thread can be kept with general questions towards Brian... you know, the original topic!

[JT30]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxChamp

Wrong. Moronic, casual baseball fans that know very little about baseball are the ones that will go to the ballpark to watch Adam Dunn crush solo HR after solo HR and think that's what makes a good baseball player. 40 HR and only 95 R'sBI? Are you kidding me? Besides, to compare the career numbers of Dunn and Jackson is a bit of a misnomer when you consider that Jackson's numbers took a noticeable dive in the latter stages of his career. Dunn hasn't reached that point yet, so your comparison is tilted. Intelligent fans understand that he's anemic with RISP, plays LF like he's on ice skates, and has been clogging this lineup with his inane ability to put the bat on the ball for years now. They don't need Ryan Freel or Norris Hopper to replace those numbers. They need pitching. After Dunn's no-trade clause ends in June, he should be dealt for pitching the very minute his contract allows it. Enough with the Donkey Experiment. Send him to the AL where he can DH and crush those meaningless solo-HR's for someone else.

Since when is a solo-HR meaningless? Unless he is always hitting them when the Reds are up 10-0.. which I doubt is the case.

[spyder23]

Quote: Originally Posted by Brian SCEA

Let me ask you something directly. Are you convinced that this is a pitching, batting, or attribute issue? As in, adjusting one of these would fix the root of the issue without side effects? As I see it, there is something more complex necessary to prevent side effects. I discussed possible solutions available to me where the benefits would merely outweigh the costs. In retrospect I shouldn't have said anything because it caused more confusion than clarity. By offering workarounds through attributes, suddenly attributes are the root problem. My comments on lack of data were in reply to steals. I wouldn't read between the lines.

If anything, attributes would help eliminate some of the OF speed. And I think by people altering batting or pitching sliders(not attrubutes), it would cause unwanted side effects over the LONG RUN. My initial post was trying to convey that editing all kinds of sliders would do more harm than good. That is all I was ever trying to say. The game plays well enough at default(or very close to as I repeatedly stated).

All I know is with over 45 games or so I have played, I am not noticing a problem with OF speed.

[SoxChamp]

Quote: Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

An intelligent baseball fan generally has an idea of how OBP and SLG correlate to scoring runs. Scoring runs wins ballgames. Dunn reaches base almost 40% of the time. You do realize that a players number 1 goal at the plate should always be to not make an out, right? Dunn does this better than most. I don't want to turn this into a real life baseball discussion (this is a video game forum afterall) but I did want to throw in my $.02

Give me a freaking break. The goal of your power hitters is not to draw walks and get on base. That's what the guys at the top of the lineup do. A power hitter's job is to drive in runs, and Adam Dunn had a DAZZLING .212 AVG with RISP and a .208 AVG with runners on base. He doesn't drive in runs when the opportunities call for it most. What part of this do you not understand?

[SoxChamp]

Quote: Originally Posted by JT30

Since when is a solo-HR meaningless? Unless he is always hitting them when the Reds are up 10-0.. which I doubt is the case.

I didn't say solo HR's are meaningless. I said his are, more times than not.

.212 AVG with RISP. .208 AVG with runners on base.

He is more prone to strikeout than anything else with guys on base and the game on the line. Do you watch Reds baseball or are you just making off the wall comments based on what you're reading?

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxChamp

Give me a freaking break. The goal of your power hitters is not to draw walks and get on base. That's what the guys at the top of the lineup do. A power hitter's job is to drive in runs, and Adam Dunn had a DAZZLING .212 AVG with RISP and a .208 AVG with runners on base. He doesn't drive in runs when the opportunities call for it most. What part of this do you not understand?

The point of ever batter is to get on base. Making an out is the worst thing you can do in baseball. It's a good thing Dusty Baker is managing your team. You'll be very happy.

Blaming Adam Dunn for taking walks because the rest of his team is incapable of producing offensively is silly.

But, enough of this. This threadis for the SCEA boys.

BTW, fantastic game guys!

[SoxChamp]

Quote: Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy

The point of ever batter is to get on base. Making an out is the worst thing you can do in baseball. It's a good thing Dusty Baker is managing your team. You'll be very happy. Blaming Adam Dunn for taking walks because the rest of his team is incapable of producing offensively is silly. But, enough of this. This threadis for the SCEA boys. BTW, fantastic game guys!

Of course. On the surface, the job of every hitter is to get on base. But when you are a so-called "power hitter" that hits .212 and fails to produce runs with guys on base, then you aren't making the impact that you're supposed to be. Dunn isn't on the roster because he plays a mean LF. And he's not hitting in the middle of the lineup because he's good at drawing walks. He's put in the middle to produce runs at the plate, and he's anemic at doing so.

But you're right. This is not a thread about Adam Dunn. It's best to let the the boys have their thread back.

[JT30]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxChamp

I didn't say solo HR's are meaningless. I said his are, more times than not. .212 AVG with RISP. .208 AVG with runners on base. He is more prone to strikeout than anything else with guys on base and the game on the line. Do you watch Reds baseball or are you just making off the wall comments based on what you're reading?

No I am not making off the wall comments at all and yes I just about watch every team play. His hitting is definitely an asset, he puts runs on the board, though not tremendously.

His strikeouts really are a non-factor to me.

A strikeout is simply not significantly worse than another type of out, overall. Every study that's been done on the issue has shown that. A strikeout only has the potential to be worse in about 5-10% of PA (the only time is when there are less than two outs and a runner on second or third or both). It is actually slightly better than a groundout with less than two outs and a runner on first, because a groundout will usually result in a DP in that situation (think there's a reason why Dunn has a very low GIDP rate?). A SO is about 2% worse than a regular out, and that's just not significant, it doesn't warrant much of a penalty.

[jim416]

Quote: Originally Posted by Brian SCEA

Q: I do agree with some people about the OFers. Not that they are too fast...that they simply have too much "range" and too quick of a first step and route to the ball SOMETIMES. (Knight165) A: Yes. Perhaps in the future you'll arrive at the same conclusion as me. To paraphrase, if I can't fix it I'll help you with a decent workaround. We'll try to make the benefits outweigh the costs. If I find a way to do it through the roster, I will. If not, I won't. I'm exploring every option available to me. For what it's worth, most of my analysis was done before this Q&A and OS wasn't the reason. This issue is much more complex than discussed so far, but if someone has an easy solution I welcome it. I will say that given a few months of hard work it would greatly improve in ways no one has mentioned or expected, but an easy stopgap solution would certainly beat that. Let me ask you something directly. Are you convinced that this is a pitching, batting, or attribute issue? As in, adjusting one of these would fix the root of the issue without side effects? As I see it, there is something more complex necessary to prevent side effects. Again, a few months of hard work. I discussed possible solutions available to me where the benefits would merely outweigh the costs. In retrospect I shouldn't have said anything because it caused more confusion than clarity. By offering workarounds through attributes and telling how to make them, suddenly attributes are now the root problem. My comments on lack of data were in reply to steals. I wouldn't read between the lines.

Brian, I have been experimenting with the default roster. For me it was a matter of simply reducing the outfielders REACTION/FIELDING ability. Prior to that a lot of balls were being caught, now they appear to be dropping just in front of (let's take a sinking liner to left as an example), or going into the gaps for extra base hits. I'm happy with what I've done and it's a fix for ME. Now, of course, gamers have different abilities, so not sure it works for everyone.

For this experiment I reduced these two player attributes sliders to at least half, and for sloths, about 1/3.
It does seem to work. Is this a universal fix? Probably not. Depends on the gamer.

[Brian SCEA]

Q: If anything, attributes would help eliminate some of the OF speed. And I think by people altering batting or pitching sliders(not attrubutes), it would cause unwanted side effects over the LONG RUN. (spyder23)
A: Right. Depending on your priorities attributes definitely could improve your game experience. That's not my question. I'm only asking if the root of the problems is attributes - if they can be changed without negative side effects. I would define the root of the problem as something that can be fixed for only improvements without any negative side effects. I bet such a thing exists, and I'm justasking if it's name is attributes. If that's the consensus, that makes things easy.