RAZRr1275's Pitch Edits Thread

[RAZRr1275]

Quote: Originally Posted by theotherguy619

I'd really like to help with this project. That 60 ft, 6 in site looks like a very helpful tool. I can look at video from mlb.com to figure out breaks on pitches if you want... But control, you'd have to do.

Thanks. You can see if your better at it than I am.

Quote: Originally Posted by hojusimpson

First, I loved your work last year. Second, are you familiar with The Hardball Times? Here's a link to their "Anatomy of a Player" articles. Sorry I didn't post links to each pitcher but I'm sure we all know who they are! Furthermore, most of these articles focus on pitchers anyhow. Looking at Phil Hughes' article, they show this information 1) His four pitches 2) The vertical and horizontal movement of them 3) Side and top views of the movement of his curve and fastball 4) Comparisons to others (for example, the point out the difference between his curve and Ben Sheets') 5) Other information This may not be useful but if it is, I'm glad to help! ------- Oh, and so you have something to look forward to: Any idea when the rosters will be ready for download? edit: I wanted to seriously (very seriously) stress the above statement was meant as a joke!

Thanks.

That's a great site. Haven't heard of it before. It will help a lot.

Also that's a question that I'll actually be willing to answer right now. We're still discussing it but for this year it seems that I'm going first and then knight will follow. I'll start once the first SCEA roster update comes out and it should take 2 weeks, 3 at max.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rod_Carew29

you know I know about this...the whole movement thing. For lack of a better term, it's an acquired taste---one needs to literally spend hundreds of hours of watching video and also knowing by pitch break/speed and a pitchers' arsenal, what is the visual one sees. The one I think many get confused over is the difference between a sinker and 2-seam fastball. Sometimes I mistake the two, most times I feel I can identify the difference. Also the cutter and slider can confuse some, a running fastball and a out of control fastball (lol), a knuckle-curve (which basically is a sharp "11-7" break), as well as a slurve and slider. It's VERY satisfying to be able to not only identify the pitch types, but to assign a numerical factor to the degree of break. But again, it takes hundreds of hours. I've been doing it since MVP 2004. I've had some on OS ask me if I can teach this, I tell them it's impossible. You have to view pitches over and over and over and over again---and in time, your eyes/mind will assign a numerical factor, if this is what you're into.

Yeah it's tricky. I also don't have mlb.tv or any DVR so I don't really get to see too much baseball and if I see something once I don't get to see it again so that's part of it so I have to rely on the data that I have.

[RAZRr1275]

Quote: Originally Posted by slickkill77

Heres what I know as far as the Rays go: Balfour: Fastball and Slider (unless he developed a change in the offseason) Kazmir: Fastball, Slider, Change Shields: Fastball, Circle Change, Curveball, Cutter Garza: Fastball, Change, 2 Seam Fastball, Curve (not sure what kind) Price: Fastball, Slider, Change

Thanks. This will help a lot.

[theotherguy619]

ok, It looks like that 60 ft, 6 in knows it's stuff. So I'm gonna work with that. I'll start working on a few guys (samples if you will), and I'll get back to you.

[theotherguy619]

One more thing... I can't stand it when pitchers in the show have a 4-seamer as their #1 when in real life, they have a natural 2-seamer but it's set up as their 3rd or 4th pitch. For players that throw both (Josh Beckett comes to mind), I will give them both. But for guys that throw a ball with consistent movement (Roy Halliday comes to mind, never throwing a 4-seamer), they will not have a 4-seamer.

To me, this makes. I hope it makes sense to you lol.

[Rod_Carew29]

I'm not going to go crazy and do everyone I have in my 2009 Franchise, but here are the REAL pitching arsenals for those Rays pitchers:

Balfour: 4-seam, curve, slider, changeup (he threw it RARELY in 2008)

Shields: 4-seam, cutter, 2-seam, slider, changeup

Garza: 4-seam, slider, curve, changeup (if he throws a 2-seamer, I must have missed it)

Price: 4-seam, slider, slurve, changeup, cutter

Quote: Originally Posted by slickkill77

Heres what I know as far as the Rays go: Balfour: Fastball and Slider (unless he developed a change in the offseason) Kazmir: Fastball, Slider, Change Shields: Fastball, Circle Change, Curveball, Cutter Garza: Fastball, Change, 2 Seam Fastball, Curve (not sure what kind) Price: Fastball, Slider, Change

[Rod_Carew29]

or...when they give a pitcher a 4-seamer when in fact, he NEVER throws one...

there are more than a couple of guys in baseball who do not throw 4-seam fastballs

Quote: Originally Posted by theotherguy619

One more thing... I can't stand it when pitchers in the show have a 4-seamer as their #1 when in real life, they have a natural 2-seamer but it's set up as their 3rd or 4th pitch. For players that throw both (Josh Beckett comes to mind), I will give them both. But for guys that throw a ball with consistent movement (Roy Halliday comes to mind, never throwing a 4-seamer), they will not have a 4-seamer. To me, this makes. I hope it makes sense to you lol.

[hojusimpson]

RAZRr1275, I'm glad to be of service! The "Anatomy" articles are really helpful and are some of my favourites on THT. By the way, their Season Preview book comes out next week so when I get mine, I'll try and get as much information posted as possible (unless you all beat me to it! )

Thanks to the editing crew -- hopefully the word is true and not much editing is needed this year, based on SCEA's hard work in bringing things in line.

Oh, thanks to Jason_19 -- I'm digging 60ft6in, especially the information on MiLB guys.

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edit: Regarding the strange assignment of pitches to a player's arsenal (or the rearrangement), has SCEA ever commented on this? Or, better yet, for those who went to San Diego to play the game, was the team asked about this? Colour me curious!

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edit 2: I found a few more sites. They may have duplicate information since the writer seems to pull double-duty. Still, there are some more above and side projectile graphs.

http://www.cubsfx.com/search/label/PITCHf%2Fx
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/tag...er=date&page=1

The second one isn't as narrowed (and may have a few articles from the first but it's only two pages). Hopefully they help -- I'll be back with more specific information, if needed, once those books are in my hands.

[theotherguy619]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rod_Carew29

or...when they give a pitcher a 4-seamer when in fact, he NEVER throws one... there are more than a couple of guys in baseball who do not throw 4-seam fastballs

Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from! Plus, moving fastballs in video games have the same effect they have in real life. They're hard to hit! I hope I can help bring that element to The Show.

[theotherguy619]

Can excel spreadsheets not be uploaded as an attachment?

[aznpunk]

speaking of spreadsheets, I was wondering if you have an updated sheet of the stats that you posted earlier. sorry for going off topic though.

Quote: Originally Posted by theotherguy619

Can excel spreadsheets not be uploaded as an attachment?