Favre's disciples

[oneamongthefence]

Why do you think so many players went on to have successful careers after playing after Brett Favre? Was it Favre himself or was it more with good scouts. Also why doesnt players like Peyton Manning have backups that go on to have successful careers.

[TheWatcher]

Yeah, Favre's backups have overall had memorable careers. Kurt Warner (never made it to the regular season with Favre), Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks (never made it to the regular season with Favre), Aaron Rodgers. But of course there was also Doug Pederson who stunk.

[TheShizNo1]

Coaching and scouting. Convinced it had nothing to do with Favre.

[Senator Palmer]

I remember an NFL Films special they did on Favre's backups. There was this funny scene where Ty Detmer recounts an episode in the film room where he had to explain to Favre what a Nickel package was. Paul Brown, Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Tony Dungy, those guys had disciples, not Favre. It had nothing to do with Favre. In fact, Favre wouldn't have been Favre if he had been stuck in Atlanta with Jerry Glanville for the bulk of his career.

The Packers have always had a great personnel department, starting with Ron Wolfe who was the GM in charge when many of those QB's were brought in -- Favre included -- to Ted Thompson and those very, very good scouts who put together this year's Super Bowl team. Because of their market, they are forced to find diamonds in the rough and grow them in-house, so they are better than anyone at finding overlooked talent and getting the most out of it.

[jeremym480]

Quote: Originally Posted by Senator Palmer

I remember an NFL Films special they did on Favre's backups. There was this funny scene where Ty Detmer recounts an episode in the film room where he had to explain to Favre what a Nickel package was. Paul Brown, Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Tony Dungy, those guys had disciples, not Favre. It had nothing to do with Favre. In fact, Favre wouldn't have been Favre if he had been stuck in Atlanta with Jerry Glanville for the bulk of his career. The Packers have always had a great personnel department, starting with Ron Wolfe who was the GM in charge when many of those QB's were brought in -- Favre included -- to Ted Thompson and those very, very good scouts who put together this year's Super Bowl team. Because of their market, they are forced to find diamonds in the rough and grow them in-house, so they are better than anyone at finding overlooked talent and getting the most out of it.

Right on. I couldn't have said it any better myself.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheShizNo1

Coaching and scouting. Convinced it had nothing to do with Favre.

How so?

(Can we get rid of this stupid 10 character thing or at least shorten it to 5? LOL)

[TheShizNo1]

Quote: Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan

How so? (Can we get rid of this stupid 10 character thing or at least shorten it to 5? LOL)

Didn't Favre himself say he had no interest in helping Aaron Rodgers? How many stories have we heard of him sleeping in film, not knowing how to read defenses, and doing his own thing on the field because he doesn't know what the hell is going on.

I'm sorry, I can't see Favre being any reason for any of those QB's success. Not to mention, Holmgren, Reid, and Mariucci were on that staff.

[SPTO]

Yeah I don't think Favre has any disciples. It has more to do with the Packers doing a really good job of having decent backups who were coached well despite never seeing the field. Hell, the Packers at one point had guys like Jim McMahon as the backup back in the day, capable QBs who won't lose games for you.

Favre doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who'd go out of his way to take anyone under his wing and his comments about not wanting to help Rodgers kinda proves that.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Quote:

Didn't Favre himself say he had no interest in helping Aaron Rodgers?

Of course he wasn't going to pull Rodgers by the leash and help him with every single thing needed to be a successful QB. But it's also pretty naive to think that Favre didn't help with ANYTHING at all. I'm almost sure you've seen Rodgers play and it's almost impossible not to see some Favre-like tendancies in him.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Favre is THE reason for what these QBs have gone to do for their careers(with the exception of Brooks), but I'm almost 99% certain if you were to ask each of those QBs if they learned anything or gotten help(either directly or indirectly)from him, they'd say yes. Including Mr. Rodgers, regardless of their beef going on right now.

[roadman]

Rodgers has admitted he studied Favre in practice and during games. You don't need to teach a person how to play the game by taking him under your wing, you can lead silently as well.

Don't forget we had T.J. Rubly as a backup too.