People who belong in the Hall Of Fame

[papasmurf]

correct me if im wrong but wasn't d.t. just voted in this last time?

stabler should get in at some point, i think what hurt him is he stayed around too long.

sean jones and greg townsend should both be in since howie long is, both were superior in my opinion.

i was a big fan of doug williams, he overcame alot just to be in that position to win the superbowl. but other than that moment you can't make a case for him to be in the hall of fame.

as far as randall cunningham goes , the guy was one of my favorite players of all time. but his lack of playoff sucess hurts his case, although isn't warren moon in ?

being as big as a former st.louis cardinals football fan as i was i want to suggest jim hart, not sure if he's in or not. but if your going to put him might as well put in archie manning and several other good qb's i grew up watching in the 70's or 80;s that aren't in.

jim marshall isn't in? that surprises me , i think he holds the record for most consecutive games played or did if im not mistaken.

charles haley sould be in some day as well. i also think andre reed and chris carter deserve to be there.

[Pantherbeast]

Well it depends what kind of carreer these guys had all depends on wheather they make the HOF are not. It's up the people who vote every year.

[SPTO]

The thing about Kenny Stabler that hurts him is that his prime was way too short. The guy had a prime of about 3-5 years and the rest of his career was average at best. I'd love to see him in the HOF as well but i've discussed this issue with a big Stabler fan and even he acknowledges that Stabler's prime years were just too few compared to the years where he was just an average guy.

Thing is, when he was in his prime he was arguably the best QB in the game.

[yvesdereuter]

Terrell Davis. Whats sad is Curtis Martin will get in for being very good for a long time. But he was never great...not in comparison to Davis. BTW, the "very good for a long time" was the argument for keeping Art Monk out.

[SPTO]

Quote: Originally Posted by yvesdereuter

Terrell Davis. Whats sad is Curtis Martin will get in for being very good for a long time. But he was never great...not in comparison to Davis. BTW, the "very good for a long time" was the argument for keeping Art Monk out.

A bit of an apples and oranges comparison there though. The argument against Monk wasn't necessarily because he was very good for a long time but rather that he was never considered the best WR in the league and at times he seemed to be the 2nd or 3rd option in the Skins offense.

RBs and WRs are so different in that RBs tend to last 5-6 years at the most and Curtis Martin was a very good back for a very long time at a position where you start declining rapidly. Martin never really had the steep "off the cliff" decline that a lot of others in his position had.

As for Davis, he was great for a brief period of time but injuries robbed him of a longer career. I think a case can be made to invoke the Gale Sayers example but we live in a more cynical world and well, Sayers is the exception that proves the rule. I do think TD will get in eventually but not any time soon.

[KingsRock91]

Cris Carter is easily the one guy who needs to be in. 2nd behind Rice in receiving categories.


TD needs to get in as well. Disregard my potential bias, but I will have to plead Gale Sayers on this. If Sayers kept his 5.0 ypc average and had as many touches as Davis, he would have 8275 yards. Sayers averaged 5.5 rushing TDs a year. Davis averaged 8.5. Both of those numbers included their injury plagued years as well.

Shannon Sharpe: Was the all time leader in TE receptions and TDs until Tony Gonzales passed him recently. He was only the MAIN target of a QB when he was on the Ravens (2 years?). 3 rings. Broncos had Rod Smith, Ed McCaffery, TD for Elway to give the ball to, as well as Sharpe. Gonzales never had a legit other receiver until Dwayne Bowe was drafted a couple years ago.

Edit: typo

[ZB9]

Quote: Originally Posted by Freelance

As a Cowboys fan, I'd like to see Drew Pearson (first team all NFL for the 70s) and Bob Hayes (forced he invention of the zone defense).

Hayes is going in this year man

long overdue obviously

[yvesdereuter]

Quote: Originally Posted by SPTO

A bit of an apples and oranges comparison there though. The argument against Monk wasn't necessarily because he was very good for a long time but rather that he was never considered the best WR in the league and at times he seemed to be the 2nd or 3rd option in the Skins offense. RBs and WRs are so different in that RBs tend to last 5-6 years at the most and Curtis Martin was a very good back for a very long time at a position where you start declining rapidly. Martin never really had the steep "off the cliff" decline that a lot of others in his position had. As for Davis, he was great for a brief period of time but injuries robbed him of a longer career. I think a case can be made to invoke the Gale Sayers example but we live in a more cynical world and well, Sayers is the exception that proves the rule. I do think TD will get in eventually but not any time soon.

NFL MVP
Super Bowl MVP
2000 yard rusher (playing in the equivalent of 14 games)
Most consecutive postseason games with 100 yards

How many other RBs have that on their resume? Thats right. Its none. You can frame it however you want but the Art Monk comparison is still in play. Curtis Martin has nothing close to that on his resume...his is only bolstered in comparison by being very good for a very long time.

Davis should even probably get in even if you dont cite Sayers as an example. When you look at how the HOF has voted, they have given preference to SB winners. This is why half of the Steelers from those 70s teams are in. Lynn Swann doesnt deserve in the HOF in comparison to Drew Pearson. In case of several Denver Broncos, their resume is supremely enhanced by having SB Champion on it. Davis was the key player in delivering those SBs. So not only did Davis have his own resume to speak of but he was also a force multiplier of sorts.

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In any case here is my list of players who deserve to be in the HOF. Youll notice there are several Broncos. Their omission is an absolute joke and a black eye to those who vote on the HOF. No other team who has been as consistently successful going back 32 years has fewer players in the HOF:

Terrell Davis
Shannon Sharpe
Randy Gradishar
Louis Wright
Steve Atwater
Ken Stabler
Jerry Kramer
Don Coryell
Drew Pearson
Charles Haley
Andre Reed

[shotgun styles]

I concur with:

Shannon Sharpe

Steve Atwater

Terrell Davis (he's a special case, like Gayle Sayers)

Drew Pearson, even though he's not a household name today.

[KingsRock91]

I totally forgot about Atwater. I remember people were afraid to go down the middle and catch the ball when he was at safety.



Atwater - 6'3" 220
Okoye - 6'1" 260

Also had good numbers as well