People who belong in the Hall Of Fame

[pelly]

Has anyone mentioned Richard Dent? dude was a beast.

[Rocky]

What are the chances Steve McNair gets into the HOF? Looking back on his career, he was truly a special QB. Tough, smart, and always a threat to win you close games. When he had to throw the ball 30-35 times a game, he was great at that. When he had to make 15-20mimportant throws, he was great at that too.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rocky

What are the chances Steve McNair gets into the HOF? Looking back on his career, he was truly a special QB. Tough, smart, and always a threat to win you close games. When he had to throw the ball 30-35 times a game, he was great at that. When he had to make 15-20mimportant throws, he was great at that too.

I don't know if he was ever "great" at throwing 30-35 times a game. Definitely not bad. I think the problem is he's more of a 20 throw, smart QB which works well with the team... and the fact that his teams didn't win any rings considering that will keep him out.

[SPTO]

Yeah gotta concur with wwharton here. McNair is one of those "Very good but not great" QBs. I also think his decline hurts him a lot as well.

The man was a very gutty QB who sure took a beating but he was one of my favorite non Bills players for a long time.

[skydog71]

As much as I'd like to see it, McNair probably doesn't have a shot. By the time he had figured the game out, his body had worn down prematurely, and he just couldn't make the throws anymore. It's sad to think that he'd probably be playing his best ball right now if he hadn't sacrificed his body by trying to run over linebackers for 1st downs. The first time I saw him slide, he had been playing in the league for something like 7 years.

[shotgun styles]

Quote: Originally Posted by skydog71

As much as I'd like to see it, McNair probably doesn't have a shot. By the time he had figured the game out, his body had worn down prematurely, and he just couldn't make the throws anymore. It's sad to think that he'd probably be playing his best ball right now if he hadn't sacrificed his body by trying to run over linebackers for 1st downs. The first time I saw him slide, he had been playing in the league for something like 7 years.

I have been saying this for years: Jeff Fisher is garbage.

He ruined Eddie George, who could have been the next Jim Brown. He ran him into the ground 35 times per game with no fullback to lead block.

He ruined Steve "Air" McNair who was a great PASSER in college, and basically turned Steve into a throwing fullback.

He never gave any of his QBs a top flight WR. This includes Young and Collins.

Fisher is garbage, and I don't know how he hasn't been fired.

[CW McGraw]

I don't know if Fisher is total garbage, but after a decade and a half on a team it seems you're given more of a free pass.

[wwharton]

Quote: Originally Posted by CW McGraw

I don't know if Fisher is total garbage, but after a decade and a half on a team it seems you're given more of a free pass.

Especially when that team's been one of the most successful franchises in the NFL during that time, including a trip to the SB and about an inch from winning it.

[CW McGraw]

Quote: Originally Posted by wwharton

Especially when that team's been one of the most successful franchises in the NFL during that time, including a trip to the SB and about an inch from winning it.

He's had 6 winning seasons in 15 years as a head coach. He's not that great, even if he almost won a SB. By contrast, Mike Shanahan had 5 non winning seasons in Denver. Fisher wouldn't even make my Hall of Very Good. He's been an above average coach whose been lucky enough to have a patient front office.

[TheWatcher]

Jim Marshall --- Borderliner

Charles Haley --- Yes

Doug Williams --- Are you kidding? No.

Pat Tillman --- Wasn't a great player. No.

Andre Reed --- Absolutely. One of the greatest receivers of all time.

Chris Carter --- Yes. One of the all-time greats.

Dermonti Dawson --- Maybe.

Phil Simms --- No. He really needed to get a second ring. Sometimes it matters in terms of getting you into the hall, that's just the way it is. His stats were good, but not spectacular enough. Sucks about the injury.



I think...

Terrell Davis

Pat Fischer (perhaps the most slept on DB of all-time).

Shannon Sharpe

Russ Grimm

Ray Guy

Randy Grandishar

Jerry Kramer

Blanton Collier

Tom Flores

Bill Polian

Steve Tasker

Kent Hull

Dan Reeves

Don Coryell


Serious Borderliners:

Randall Cunningham

Andre Rison

Ben Coates

Jimmy Smith

Cliff Branch

Mark Duper

Richard Dent

Chris Doleman

L.C. Greenwood

Ottis "O.J." Anderson

Lester Hayes

Jimmy Johnson

Ed/Steve Sabol

Clyde Simmons

Irving Fryar

Ricky Watters

Roger Craig

Harold Carmichael

Sterling Sharpe

Herschel Walker (His overall numbers as a RB, receiver and return man are stunning).

Boomer Esiason

Steve Atwater

Rod Smith

Tiki Barber

Keyshawn Johnson

Curtis Martin

Mike Alstott

Lorenzo Neal (will be a borderliner because of his position)

Eddie George

Brian Mitchell (his numbers are ridiculous as an all-around player)

Edgerrin James (he'll get some votes)

Steve McNair (posted better stats than Troy Aikman in a number of categories and never had a single great receiver or played with a great team surrounding him).

Marty Schottenheimer (but man, what a choker in big games. Always makes a dumb decision).

Future HOF'ers:

Marshall Faulk

Marvin Harrison

Tony Gonzalez

Randy Moss

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Orlando Pace

Jonathan Ogden

Kurt Warner

Hines Ward

Jerome Bettis

Ty Law

Tedi Bruschi

Jerry Rice

Emmitt Smith

Junior Seau

Ray Lewis

Brian Urlacher

Willie McGinest (NFL's all-time Postseason Sack Leader)

Ladanian Tomlinson

Terrell Owens

Issac Bruce

Torry Holt

Steve Smith (projection)

Brett Favre

Donovan McNabb

Brian Dawkins

Champ Bailey

Ben Roethlisberger (Projection)

Michael Strahan

Warren Sapp

Ronde Barber

Derrick Brooks

Adam Vinatieri

Ed Reed

Bill Cowher

Mike Shanahan

Mike Holmgren

Tony Dungy

Bill Parcells

Bill Belichick

Tom Coughlin (You can't argue against the man's success in building a winner with an expansion team in Jacksonville, and then turning the Giants around and winning the Super Bowl).

Diick Vermeil

Jeff Fisher (may need a ring)

Andy Reid (needs a ring though)