PES 2010 Console Impressions

[P2K]

I think the theory of Top Player really being Pro and vice versa is true.

Anyone else experience cpu players sliding around? It's a weird bug.

[thegut]

Hey guys. I missed this thread pinned to the top. Anyway I wrote a post about cpu cheating here: Anybody else frustrated with this game?

So far I have been mildly disappointed with the game but I find myself constantly playing it. I play almost entirely offline so my main focus is cpu play. I truly feel this game was meant to be played between to top tier teams. When two top tier teams meet it is a very fluid and open football experience. There is enough space for traditional build up play and for mounting quick counter attacks. It is during games like this the game engine shines. It is because the cpu varies its attack when it is in control of a great team. As a matter of fact I have only seen the early cross attempted by the cpu when it is in control of one of the top teams. I feel the cpu cheats less in this situation too. Don't get me wrong though you will still be cheated constantly on the higher difficulty levels, just not as much as when you are playing a poor team.

The main problem I have with the game comes with playing against poor teams. The game just absolutely breaks down. In the situation where the cpu will take a more defensive posture frustration sets in. First of all the cheating is INSANE. Poor teams players are traditional slower and lack the skill of players who play on top clubs. But don't tell this game that because it will equals out skills and actually gives more skills to your (inferior) opponent. This makes no sense to me. I'm sorry if they are not any good they will probably be beaten. This game just wants you to draw everytime against them. Also because the of the cpu stacked defense they have no chance of a counter attack. So their only option is build up play. He is a quick tip....if you are not overly aggressive and shut down passing lines during presses plus shut down the touch line the cpu will NEVER get off a shot. EVER. The cpu's creativity is apparently tied to open style games. If it relies on just one aspect (ie build up play) it can't even score. The next problem is the build up play these poor teams mount is nothing but a ping pong match. It is not uncommon for me to see the cpu be 170 for 180 passes without a shot!

Sorry if this is a little rambling it is just what I noticed so far. I will post some more impressions later. By the way these impressions are from playing on the highest or second to highest difficulty setting.

[phillyfan23]

I never thought I would say this about PES.....but as a whole, the cpu A.I is BAD......both offense and defense.

the main problem defensively is that they retreat way too much and it gives the user basically a free shot a lot of times just right outside the box. Scored this way countless times to see that it's a problem.

Offensively: basically all cpu teams play the same. one touch passing galore, very very very rarely will the cpu receive a pass, slow it down a bit, make a run at a defender. Once they receive the pass, it's either a one touch pass or one step dribble and pass. I never had any problems like this in past PES. The cpu is creative, but their offense is based on the super duper quick passing and one touch passing. Not realistic at all. The only time the cpu A.I will run at a defender is if he's a winger and flying down the wing.

If the cpu has the ball in the middle of the pitch....boom bam ping pong passing. very unrealistic.

tried to change cpu gameplan/strategies- Doesn't work
tried to edit ratings of the cpu ( pass speed and pass accuracy)- Doesn't work

It's the first time I got disgusted at this series after a day of playing. Another sports game bites the dusttttt......

[Moshood]

I'm addicted to this Game. I play using the Broadcast 2 Camera and it is so Real I feel like I'm watching a Real Match on TV and I find myself playing the game how it looks on an actual Broadcast gameplay wise. Love just about everything about the game.

I have wonderful matches and every game is different. One game I win 4-0, the next I lose 1-0, the next I Draw 0-0 and the next I Draw 2-2. So much Fun!! There's so many different ways to score and that's why I keep coming back for more.

[cookusu]

I think that most of the criticisms I have seen, have some validity to them but to me they are not as pronounced as some of the posters say.

I really can't agree that poor teams cheat and their playing abilities are leveled out. Yes they do play a boring pass the ball around style, but if you move up your defensive pressure and pressure them and move up your back line you force them to do something, they will sometimes make mistakes and sometimes try to attack you, probably not as much attacking as I would like but then I realize they are trying to win or stay in the game. Real teams do the same thing when they are over matched, yeah it sucks to watch but it happens. Think about college basketball before the shot clock and Carolina a the 4 corners, seriously boring. To me cheating would be they are suddenly super fast or make miraculous plays.

CPU probably doesn't make enough runs at the defense but they do make them especially in your half and especially if you chase them, they will try to exploit you, in their own half they definitely pass the ball around a lot, I guess a lot of that depends on your perception of what the game should be and what real soccer is like.

I am playing on Professional mostly Master League games and don't find the game too easy or too easy to get off shots from distance. On Regular I saw that depending on the team that they did leave you too much room. The CPU tends not to lose it's shape and usually makes it a challenge for me anyway, to blast one in from distance.

Also I play with Fatigue and accumulated fatigue on and the random mood levels, don't know what others are playing but that may effect your experience some.

Back to the headers, defending them on corners or with multiple guys in the box is fun and I Feel in control, but if they make a run down the side on me and I it's 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 in the box, I definitely get the feeling that I don't have control over the outcome, or it could be that I just don't like to be scored on and remember those plays better.

Overall I am really enjoying the game, it is the closest in my view to doing more things right than any game I have seen, yes it is not perfect but I would encourage any soccer fan to give it a try. It is one of those games that to me has always been one that the more you put in to it and the more realistically you play it the better it becomes.

Plus Didier Drogba scared me he looked so real, if only he would roll around on the ground screaming after the slightest of touches and then moments later carry 3 guys on his back and score. I do agree not enough fouls but I am getting a few more as I go along.

[phillyfan23]

Quote: Originally Posted by cookusu

CPU probably doesn't make enough runs at the defense but they do make them especially in your half and especially if you chase them, they will try to exploit you, in their own half they definitely pass the ball around a lot, I guess a lot of that depends on your perception of what the game should be and what real soccer is like.

first of all, I'm glad that you're enjoying the game. But the issue of passing is not that thwey pass too much, it's more that they pass too quickly. In real soccer, a team can rattle off 10-15 sraight passes in a row for an attack( a technical team that is ) but they just don't rattle off one touch passing like the cpu does in PES. The Cpu just doesn't survey the field enough....get the ball pass, the pass recipient gets the ball one touch pass, and another one touch pass. The cpu, unfortunately for me, playes like cheesers online with their ping pong passing.

Also, I'm not really comparing this problem to real life as much as I'm comparing it to past PES titles. it was much better then IMO. Better flow, cpu will try to make runs, slow it down a bit. Just much more varied in the build up.

[cookusu]

Quote: Originally Posted by phillyfan23

first of all, I'm glad that you're enjoying the game. But the issue of passing is not that thwey pass too much, it's more that they pass too quickly. In real soccer, a team can rattle off 10-15 sraight passes in a row for an attack( a technical team that is ) but they just don't rattle off one touch passing like the cpu does in PES. The Cpu just doesn't survey the field enough....get the ball pass, the pass recipient gets the ball one touch pass, and another one touch pass. The cpu, unfortunately for me, playes like cheesers online with their ping pong passing. Also, I'm not really comparing this problem to real life as much as I'm comparing it to past PES titles. it was much better then IMO. Better flow, cpu will try to make runs, slow it down a bit. Just much more varied in the build up.

That's cool. I definitely see what you mean. The CPU tends to play an Arsenal style when they are playing well pass and move. IN reality a lot of teams spend too much time looking for a pass and it gets them nowhere. It seems to vary in the games I play as to whether the passing is too fast, not sure why that it is.

[Tomba]

I am not entirely convinced that there is a "style' of play going on. seems like all teams have one setting...

Whereas in fifa the tactics being set up by others is prooving the game to be very authentic.

[thegut]

Quote: Originally Posted by cookusu

I think that most of the criticisms I have seen, have some validity to them but to me they are not as pronounced as some of the posters say. I really can't agree that poor teams cheat and their playing abilities are leveled out.

Well I did what one poster said on pesfan.com. I created two teams one with every player at 99 skill and one with 1 skill in everything. On top player my players are constantly ran down by the 1 skill team. So yes it definitely does even up skills.

[Meazza]

After WE 9, I didn't think I'd have so much fun playing online again. This game online is CLASS. Even red connected opponents give you a solid match, except for the first 5 seconds or so.

Extremely fun game