PES 2010 Console Impressions

Mercurial23 · 11-03-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by P2K


	LOL! I apologize for the mushed together, one paragraph post. Computer issues. I fixed it now. I LOVE this game so far.

Yeah, that "paragraph" gave me a headache.

have you been using any OF's yet? Just started playing and really like it....just want real kits now.

Tomba · 11-03-2009, 08:47 PM

Impressions...(first copy i got wouldn't play, second copy did if it had to gone to a 3rd i would forever said screw this soccer game)

Immediately. the games grass and adboards standout. fantastic job konami. graphically the stadium the players faces and kits but NOT the models look amazing. on par with MLb 09 the show easily...

gameplay? standard winning eleven fair. really fifa still has them beat here. This years fifa 10 9after tactic tweaks of course) is arguably the best sports game around this year. it's surprised me.

The demo feels just like the full retail to me..Not a bad thing since i enjoyed the demo more than the fifa demo. but now with playing both fifa and winning eleven Fifa ended up being more a surprise to me. yes graphically and it's hard to fathom this konami outdid EA but not with gameplay.

HOWEVER if were talking tried and true and no new shoe then winning eleven is probably the best of the bunch so far. It looks better feels smoother and has more (minus the snow) then some of it's past iterations.

i like the game and will EDIT it(more on that later) but konami needs to work on its running animations. I've edited 4 teams already so that they all run motion with 1!

Tomba · 11-03-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Moshood


	My damn disc is no good (xbox 360 version ). Try to install to the hardrive and it get a disc read error at around 45%. tried to just play off the disc and it just gives me a black screen with the loading stars. bull****

Same thing happened to me i had to return it wasn't pleased

P2K · 11-03-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercurial23


	Yeah, that "paragraph" gave me a headache. have you been using any OF's yet? Just started playing and really like it....just want real kits now.

Not yet. I'll probably use the WENB one until something great comes along.

On a sidenote, I don't know if the American intro is the same, but the UK intro is kick-***.

Moshood · 11-03-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomba


	Same thing happened to me i had to return it wasn't pleased

I exchanged for another xbox 360 game and it happened again so I just went back to the store and got the ps3 version instead.

phillyfan23 · 11-04-2009, 03:24 AM

The CPU offensive A.I is good, and their creativity did take a step up.

But their passing is way too ping pongy....Too many first time passes by the cpu. I didn't see this in past years' games.
The build up play is just too fast. Instead of receiving the pass and survey the situation, the cpu will just rattle off some passes together for the attack. Big disappointment for me.

cookusu · 11-04-2009, 03:57 AM

I agree with a lot of what PK said. One thing I have had to do that I haven't in previous years is that I actually have to use tactics to win a game. Changing pressure or attack or realizing what the teams standard settings are and how they affect the way you should play. Yes the CPU really does build up their attack, I don't really see the Ping Pong Passin mentioned, sometimes it does move a little too fast but their generally seems to be a reason for how they pass the ball and it changes based on how you defend them, how cool is that!!

On the headers I am the opposite of PK, I had a miserable time in Fifa trying to get anyone on my team to do anything useful with the ball in the air, on PES I have more success and can generally take control of my guy and make a play on the ball. I will say that some of the goals scored against me on headers were frustrating because I didn't feel like I had a chance, but compared to FIFA this happens far less.

I think the 360 version controls a little better than the PS3, could just be me though, liking the 360 controller better.

The Master League is better, where you have to manage your finances better, if you are a big name team, you get a lot of money and your sponsorship is big, you can afford top notch coaches which supposedly help with the development and scouting of your players. I started a new ML as Sunderland and I have a lot less money to play with and you have to decide how to use it. Other than that it is similar to previous years but more user friendly.

One of the things I like the best over FIFA is in FIFA my strikers seem to score almost all my goals in PES, I have had multiple guys score in a variety of ways already. I like not knowing where my goals will come from and who will score them.

I could see some people being upset with the controls not allowing you to go on a run all the way downfield and scoring, but the reward is there when you score, you feel like you earned it. Like PK said with Gourcuff.. I would say more than previous years it is not all about speed, your fast guys will get cut off and tackled on the harder levels, having a savvy guy with passing skills is very useful.

Oh one other thing I liked is in the ML league when you pick up a new player is teamwork rating is really low and builds up over the time that you have him, it was suspected that this was the case in previous years, but now you can see the attribute build up.

Graphically I like it, in some ways it looks better than FIFA and in others FIFA looks better but in realistic gameplay it wins hands down.

poster · 11-04-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyfan23


	The CPU offensive A.I is good, and their creativity did take a step up. But their passing is way too ping pongy....Too many first time passes by the cpu. I didn't see this in past years' games. The build up play is just too fast. Instead of receiving the pass and survey the situation, the cpu will just rattle off some passes together for the attack. Big disappointment for me.

I haven't played enough and haven't messed with the tactics enough, but I am seeing a bit of this too. I saw a discussion where they mentioned editing certain pass ratings, maybe that would help.

Tactics could be a key too. I have played games with Milan vs smaller Serie A teams and have had room all day and it was a joke it was so easy. Then the other night I play Hull-Man U just to see and the gameplay was much faster and arcadey. I know the EPL is fast but Hull (CPU team) was all over me all over the pitch, very FIFA like.

I need to see more though so my word is not gospel.

mark1726 · 11-04-2009, 10:09 AM

Brief impressions:

The gameplay is standard PES stuff, but is improved. Basically the CPU passes a bit too much, but on the positive side the CPU offensive AI seems much better and I have been scored on by a variety of goals.

On the defensive side for the CPU they play similar to last years, strong line, lots of steals if you dribble too much, but they do let you get off too many long shots, at least on "Regular" level.

There have been a complaint about lack of fouls. Playing on 15 minute halves I have seen a couple each half, by me and by the CPU, but there should be more. Some obvious ones weren't called (like real life), but I do think this is an area they dropped the ball.

Graphically the game's textures are gorgeous, the player likeness is the best ever, but the animations are still stiff and show relics of the PS2 days of WE. The 360 controls do exist somewhat, much better than the demo, but FIFA 09 has much better in player animations and true 360 movement.

Overall it seems good so far, I love the variety of the CPU attack. The game, outside of bad running animations and still a little too fast, looks like a real game. I like it more than the FIFA demo by a wide margin, but then again I liked PES 2009 over the full FIFA 09 version so take that with a grain of salt.

Anybody get this game to work in 1080i on the PS3 (US version)? I have to set my PS3 to 720 mode to play it, if I go to 1080i the game will play in 480 mode.

jr86 · 11-05-2009, 06:56 AM

First off i play offline so my comments have nothing to do with online play.
Having had this game since release over here (about 10 days) this is what i have found.

The Good
Graphics - Player likenesses are very good for the most part with all the top players being easily recognisable and even some of the lesser known players on teams look pretty good too.

Stadiums look good

ML upgrade is long overdue and this is a good start, the integration of the CL is well done and really immerses you into the season.

The Bad

So they decide to implement a new penalty system into the game.
Ok no problem with that except the fact that YOU NEVER GET ONE!
As i mentioned in a previous post the refs in this game are just moronic. They give fouls all over the park for the merest of touches but rarely issue cards but when you get in the box you can be gang probed and the ref dosen't seem to have a problem with this...go figure.

Comp AI
This has been so dumbed down it's not true. I have been playing both on Pro and Top Player but it is still far too easy.
Which leads me on to the scoring, in years gone by you used to have a decent match against the comp trying to string a move together that would get shut down but when you did get it to work or make that killer pass for a goal then it was jump out of your seat time, fist pumping....anyone who has played previous versions i am sure know what i am talking about. But with this version the AI is just imcompetent and allows you attack after attack shot after shot so that when you do score it dosen't have that same magical feel it once used to.

Comp Defenders
Again just awful. Why when i am running down the middle of the pitch are they running away from me(reminds me of Madden lol) and camping themselves to the edge of the box therby allowing me to rattle off 25yders time after time. Crazy.
And before someone chimes in with this can be fixed with the Tactics, well no it can't.
I have tried maxing out pressure, compactness, moving the defensive line further up and all other sliders relating to defending and have even gone in and edited defenders ability ratings, upped defence, tenacity and anything else that might relate to them holding their line and tackling you by with zero success

There are other issues but that is all i can think of at the moment.

Now obviously this is an extremely negative response but if a patch is released for the refs and the idiotic defending this game would be right up there as these to me are the real things holding this game back.
Bottom line for me anyway is that the good are all cosmetic and the bad (unfortunately) are all game related.

11-04-2009, 03:24 AM	#16 (permalink)
phillyfan23 MVP OVR: 15 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,465	Re: PES 2010 Console Impressions The CPU offensive A.I is good, and their creativity did take a step up. But their passing is way too ping pongy....Too many first time passes by the cpu. I didn't see this in past years' games. The build up play is just too fast. Instead of receiving the pass and survey the situation, the cpu will just rattle off some passes together for the attack. Big disappointment for me. __________________ playing: ps3- nhl 2k10 x360- nhl 10

11-04-2009, 03:57 AM	#17 (permalink)
cookusu MVP OVR: 12 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,872	Re: PES 2010 Console Impressions I agree with a lot of what PK said. One thing I have had to do that I haven't in previous years is that I actually have to use tactics to win a game. Changing pressure or attack or realizing what the teams standard settings are and how they affect the way you should play. Yes the CPU really does build up their attack, I don't really see the Ping Pong Passin mentioned, sometimes it does move a little too fast but their generally seems to be a reason for how they pass the ball and it changes based on how you defend them, how cool is that!! On the headers I am the opposite of PK, I had a miserable time in Fifa trying to get anyone on my team to do anything useful with the ball in the air, on PES I have more success and can generally take control of my guy and make a play on the ball. I will say that some of the goals scored against me on headers were frustrating because I didn't feel like I had a chance, but compared to FIFA this happens far less. I think the 360 version controls a little better than the PS3, could just be me though, liking the 360 controller better. The Master League is better, where you have to manage your finances better, if you are a big name team, you get a lot of money and your sponsorship is big, you can afford top notch coaches which supposedly help with the development and scouting of your players. I started a new ML as Sunderland and I have a lot less money to play with and you have to decide how to use it. Other than that it is similar to previous years but more user friendly. One of the things I like the best over FIFA is in FIFA my strikers seem to score almost all my goals in PES, I have had multiple guys score in a variety of ways already. I like not knowing where my goals will come from and who will score them. I could see some people being upset with the controls not allowing you to go on a run all the way downfield and scoring, but the reward is there when you score, you feel like you earned it. Like PK said with Gourcuff.. I would say more than previous years it is not all about speed, your fast guys will get cut off and tackled on the harder levels, having a savvy guy with passing skills is very useful. Oh one other thing I liked is in the ML league when you pick up a new player is teamwork rating is really low and builds up over the time that you have him, it was suspected that this was the case in previous years, but now you can see the attribute build up. Graphically I like it, in some ways it looks better than FIFA and in others FIFA looks better but in realistic gameplay it wins hands down.

11-04-2009, 10:09 AM	#19 (permalink)
mark1726 Pro OVR: 6 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 759	Re: PES 2010 Console Impressions Brief impressions: The gameplay is standard PES stuff, but is improved. Basically the CPU passes a bit too much, but on the positive side the CPU offensive AI seems much better and I have been scored on by a variety of goals. On the defensive side for the CPU they play similar to last years, strong line, lots of steals if you dribble too much, but they do let you get off too many long shots, at least on "Regular" level. There have been a complaint about lack of fouls. Playing on 15 minute halves I have seen a couple each half, by me and by the CPU, but there should be more. Some obvious ones weren't called (like real life), but I do think this is an area they dropped the ball. Graphically the game's textures are gorgeous, the player likeness is the best ever, but the animations are still stiff and show relics of the PS2 days of WE. The 360 controls do exist somewhat, much better than the demo, but FIFA 09 has much better in player animations and true 360 movement. Overall it seems good so far, I love the variety of the CPU attack. The game, outside of bad running animations and still a little too fast, looks like a real game. I like it more than the FIFA demo by a wide margin, but then again I liked PES 2009 over the full FIFA 09 version so take that with a grain of salt. Anybody get this game to work in 1080i on the PS3 (US version)? I have to set my PS3 to 720 mode to play it, if I go to 1080i the game will play in 480 mode.

11-05-2009, 06:56 AM	#20 (permalink)
jr86 Rookie OVR: 6 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ireland Posts: 234	Re: PES 2010 Console Impressions First off i play offline so my comments have nothing to do with online play. Having had this game since release over here (about 10 days) this is what i have found. The Good Graphics - Player likenesses are very good for the most part with all the top players being easily recognisable and even some of the lesser known players on teams look pretty good too. Stadiums look good ML upgrade is long overdue and this is a good start, the integration of the CL is well done and really immerses you into the season. The Bad So they decide to implement a new penalty system into the game. Ok no problem with that except the fact that YOU NEVER GET ONE! As i mentioned in a previous post the refs in this game are just moronic. They give fouls all over the park for the merest of touches but rarely issue cards but when you get in the box you can be gang probed and the ref dosen't seem to have a problem with this...go figure. Comp AI This has been so dumbed down it's not true. I have been playing both on Pro and Top Player but it is still far too easy. Which leads me on to the scoring, in years gone by you used to have a decent match against the comp trying to string a move together that would get shut down but when you did get it to work or make that killer pass for a goal then it was jump out of your seat time, fist pumping....anyone who has played previous versions i am sure know what i am talking about. But with this version the AI is just imcompetent and allows you attack after attack shot after shot so that when you do score it dosen't have that same magical feel it once used to. Comp Defenders Again just awful. Why when i am running down the middle of the pitch are they running away from me(reminds me of Madden lol) and camping themselves to the edge of the box therby allowing me to rattle off 25yders time after time. Crazy. And before someone chimes in with this can be fixed with the Tactics, well no it can't. I have tried maxing out pressure, compactness, moving the defensive line further up and all other sliders relating to defending and have even gone in and edited defenders ability ratings, upped defence, tenacity and anything else that might relate to them holding their line and tackling you by with zero success There are other issues but that is all i can think of at the moment. Now obviously this is an extremely negative response but if a patch is released for the refs and the idiotic defending this game would be right up there as these to me are the real things holding this game back. Bottom line for me anyway is that the good are all cosmetic and the bad (unfortunately) are all game related.

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