Originally Posted by o_capone:
ummm no, he used points per game as his argument for iverson and rip being role players... you are commenting on things when you obviously didn't even see the conversation that was going on...
No I did.
You still named players who are worlds ahead of AI.
You still named players who are worlds ahead of AI.
I don't care who averages what.
D. Rose's age is his only advantage over Iverson.
the other guys play different positions so therefore are not comparable...
For me to write Iverson off like you guys do, I would have to actually see him suck in a position where he should succeed. I would have to see him being outplayed by a guy who earned the right to start over him. Until I see that, I won't jump to the conclusion that he magically regressed from a guy who can contribute in a major way.
Outside of the Detroit disaster, which was doomed from the start, the AI being washed up theories hold no water.
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ex carrabba fan 12:19 AM 11-04-2009
He doesn't suck.
He is "washed up" compared to what he thinks he is.
He simply thinks he's a entitled to things when clearly that is not the case. If that were the case more teams would have wanted him. At least a fringe playoff team. No dice.
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o_capone 12:27 AM 11-04-2009
Originally Posted by ex carrabba fan:
He doesn't suck.
He is "washed up" compared to what he thinks he is.
He simply thinks he's a entitled to things when clearly that is not the case. If that were the case more teams would have wanted him. At least a fringe playoff team. No dice.
All the man ask is to start. I agree with him that he is entitled to that unless he is playing behind 2 better players. Like he said, until last year when Detroit traded for him, no one would have ever mentioned AI coming off the bench. Now everyone acts like it is something that just has to be and it should be no other way. People act like he is wrong when everything he says is spot on. He has been a starter his whole career, he has been a starter on all-star teams, on olympic teams, and on an nba finals team... he was an all-star this past season. There is no reason that an inferior player should start over him. If memphis values developing conley over giving iverson minutes then they never should have signed him.
Normally a training camp battle should determine who starts if things are unclear. But when the two people in question are Allen Iverson and Michael Conley, there is no doubt who is the better player.
If I was Allen Iverson I would accept the bench role for right now. Then prove on the court why I should be starting. BUT when you don't start, and you also only play sporadically and don't get a chance to prove your self, you need to speak up for your self.
Now if he was in Boston claiming that he should start over either Rondo or Allen, or in LA claiming he should start over players who just won a title, it would make more sense for people to hate him for wanting to start.
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Brankles 12:30 AM 11-04-2009
Originally Posted by o_capone:
i would hope it's a wake up call for the coach... coaching pretty much is to blame for that loss...
So the coach needs to adapt to AI, not the other way around?
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o_capone 12:36 AM 11-04-2009
Originally Posted by Brankles:
So the coach needs to adapt to AI, not the other way around?
Um coaches definately need to adapt to their players... some players get established in their ways after playing in the league for so long... really most players... how many players change this deep into their careers without suffering an injury that causes them to be less effective, or some type of other physical limitations?
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Brankles 12:53 AM 11-04-2009
Originally Posted by o_capone:
Um coaches definately need to adapt to their players... some players get established in their ways after playing in the league for so long... really most players... how many players change this deep into their careers without suffering an injury that causes them to be less effective, or some type of other physical limitations?
So every time a player complains about minutes, the coach needs to adapt to them?
Do you think this is a good example for his teammates? If the coach makes a decision they don't like, they should speak their mind to anyone who asks them about it? What does this do to team morale and how do you think this effects the coach and his ability to control his team?
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o_capone 12:58 AM 11-04-2009
I think the coach should know that when Allen Iverson is heating up, you don't send him to the bench... I think he also should have played to win, which Iverson would have given them a better chance to do...
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jfsolo 01:00 AM 11-04-2009
Debating with A.I. fans should be against the TOS, its like talking about race, religion, or politics. It can never end well, especially on a message board.
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o_capone 01:19 AM 11-04-2009
Originally Posted by jfsolo:
Debating with A.I. fans should be against the TOS, its like talking about race, religion, or politics. It can never end well, especially on a message board.
im not even a big AI fan... I just can't believe the way people talk about him... hardly any of the anti-ai people have valid arguments....
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