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Old 06-07-2009, 09:22 PM   #441
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:42 PM   #442
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While i agree there are some homerism's detracting from his argument i agree that I would rather have Ellington than Henderson. Not doubting Henderson is the better in game athlete but he's just Dahntay Jones mark II imo. Great athlete, solid defender with an inconsistent outside shot. Of the two neither will be a star but Ellington at least has the potential to be good on both ends where i think Henderson will always be a liability on offense.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:44 PM   #443
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Ellington was the 3rd and sometimes even forth option for UNC on offense but yet still got 16 per game. Had he been " the guy " for UNC or even another team he would get 25 a game easy.
That is absolutely meaningless when it comes to Ellington's pro potential. And as for this theory, NBA GM's and scouts view it as more of a negative than a positive....

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Ellington had a unique opportunity to play on a college team that is as similar to an NBA team in terms of role dispersal and talent as you'll find in the NCAA.

Amongst the top-10 college shooting guards we looked at, only Terrence Williams had fewer possessions to work with. The difference was as much as 50% compared to some prospects, who obviously had to shoulder much bigger offensive loads on far less talented teams. With that in mind, Ellington indeed ended up being one of the most efficient shooting guards in this draft, ranking first in field goal percentage (48%) and third in points per possession (1.04).

Because of how well Ellington was able to pick and choose his spots, he ends up looking excellent in a host of different categories.
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Ellington CAN create his own shot because he EXPLODES into his jumpshot making him near impossible to block. There goes the myth about Wayne not have any explosion in his game.
He could in college, he won't in the NBA (see below).

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He has the smoothest stroke I have seen in a very long time and it comes with a long range touch to boot.
And? Reddick was a great collegiate shooter and look how far that got him in the NBA.

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He can attack the basket just as well as Henderson and has dunked over people.
It's nothing but blatant homerism if you think Ellington goes to the rim as well as Henderson.

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Its shocking how many clueless people there are here. Here is a newsflash.. ESPN KNOWS NOTHING! They start up a myth about a player and then it catches on with the know nothings and they repeat that as if they have a clue.
I like how in your mind if someone disagrees with you it's because they don't know anything and only listen to what the media tells them. Nobody on this planet except you watches games and formulates their own opinion. Wonderful logic.

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Of the two neither will be a star but Ellington at least has the potential to be good on both ends where i think Henderson will always be a liability on offense.
Ellington was a bad defender in college, he's going to be a liability defensively in the NBA as well. There's a reason he's slipping out of the first round in several mock drafts. Throughout his career at UNC I never saw a whole heckuva lot from him that made me think "NBA shooting guard."


A recent report on Ellington...

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Ellington's short-comings lie in his inability to create offense for himself, as he ranks third worst in isolation possessions generated behind two very poor ball-handlers in Paul Harris and K.C. Rivers, and his very related inability to draw fouls--which he did on just 9% of his used possessions. Ellington is obviously a finesse player who needs plays run for him in the half-court in order to be most effective, which means he'll definitely need to find the right situation in the NBA.
And one more for the road...

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He has a fairly weak and extremely light frame which gives him problems getting a shoulder by defenders and even more trouble finishing against physical opponents … Shies away from contact, and has an incredibly low number of FTAs per game at 2.9 considering he plays 30 minutes per … He's not comfortable in traffic, puts his head down and becomes uncomfortable when the defense converges … Falls in love with the outside shot, even though his handle has improved, he still does not consistently get to the basket … A lot of his shortcomings came to the forefront last year in Orlando, where he struggled against the other NBA hopefuls, he shot a terrible percentage during the week and had trouble getting his shot off …Even though his form and stroke are ideal, his release is slightly on the slow side, which gives the defenders time to close out further, making the shot a lot more difficult
Basically he's going to be a spot-up shooter coming off the bench in the NBA.
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:33 AM   #444
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Basically he's going to be a spot-up shooter coming off the bench in the NBA.
Not really doubting that but i just don't see Henderson being anything special in the pro's either and not much more than a "decent" defender who gets the occasional highlight reel dunk ala Dahntay, Tony Allen, Corey Brewer etc etc.

Not that there's anything wrong with that....
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Old 06-08-2009, 06:07 AM   #445
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where is Ty Lawson projected? Anyone think he might make it to #22? That would be a good pick for Dallas imo....although I hope they just take the best player available instead of reaching for need. It would be cool if they could trade up.
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Old 06-08-2009, 08:27 AM   #446
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Ellington is nowhere close to the NBA prospect McCants was, if that is any barometer to go by.

Ellington reminds me of a more athletic Fransisco Garcia, if anything.

This draft is a dog, though, in general. If I'm not in the top 5, I'd trade out of lottery, rather then waste cap space on these turkeys.

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Old 06-08-2009, 08:50 AM   #447
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Ellington is nowhere close to the NBA prospect McCants was, if that is any barometer to go by.

Ellington reminds me of a more athletic Fransisco Garcia, if anything.

This draft is aodg, though, in general. If I'm not in the top 5, I'd trade out of lottery, rather then waste cap space on these turkeys.
Well McCants had a lot of charachter questions and he's only 6'4. I know it's only 1 inch shorter than Wayne but NBA scouts nitpick it.

Ehh pretty much made all of the points but I hope Wayne has a good NBA career. There have been plenty of good NBA 2's to make it w/o the ability to create off the bounce (Hornacek, Jeff Malone, etc...)

He has a lot to prove but if you can shoot then you have a spot in the league ala Reddick, Boobie Gibson, etc...

You're gonna love this ehh

I think Wayne has the smoothest shot by a college player I've seen since Jesus Shuttlesworth.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:26 AM   #448
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I think Wayne has the smoothest shot by a college player I've seen since Jesus Shuttlesworth.

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I still have my UCONN "34" Jersey from back when I was there.

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