2003-04 ALL NBA 1ST TEAM vs ALL ROOKIE 1ST TEAM

[JBH3]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bornindamecca

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Kidd is servicable, and any shots he takes would be WIDE OPEN. I'm not even going to comment at saying Kobe is not a factor in the perimeter game. KG and TD's range both extend to a reliable 17 feet. Defensively, they match up terribly for the rooks. They are coming around on perimeter defense and transition defense. They can't defend Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Shaq. There is no evidence that any of the five rooks(I'm not touching this second team madness) can defend in the post, and Kobe Bryant can score very well against all but the very greatest of defenses, so I don't see how offense is a problem. Speaking of perimeter play...sink into a zone on that rookie team and watch what happens, especially with the length and defensive IQ of the 1st team. We are talking about a huge disparity in defense here. You don't even have the personnel to run a pick and roll against the 1st team, because KG is there as one of the all time great versatile defenders. If you penetrate, Shaq, Duncan and KG are extremely hard to finish against, and Kobe is no slouch on weak side help, plus Kidd is going to still strip people(STILL avg 2.5 steals per). The Rooks would never know what a transition game was like.

Is there a size advantage for the rooks...yes...no one questions that, but Duncan and Shaq can't man up on any of the explosive rooks like Melo or Lebron. So if the bigs go zone...3-2 to account for the rooks perimeter play then that will leave huge lanes for Wade, Lebron, and Melo to slash and gash or kick out to Hinrich beyond the arc or Bosh from 15 ft.

If the bigs don't come out on Melo, Bron, or Wade then they'll rip them apart from the perimeter.

Do the rooks have the shotblocking presence of KG or Duncan ... No, but their D is good enough to maintain the game IMO.

Duncan has what 3 inches and 10 pounds on Lebron...That ain't nothing when you consider Lebrons vertical. KG's got 3 pounds on Lebron and a couple inches, is longer, but again doesn't have the same vertical. Lebron can board over those guys if he was playing the 4.

Melo's got size too so the only matchup which gets exploited is Shaq on Bosh, and it goes both ways...Bosh can't hold on him down low, and Shaq can hold bosh on the perimeter.

In the end the rooks are deeper, and have more firepower and enough D to maintain IMO.

[J0nnD0ugh]

Quote: Originally Posted by JBH3

Out of curiosity...why?

Beef, length, experience, Heinrich, defense.

[Kashanova]

rookies would win, the reason why? the all nba team can't guard lebron.

[Bornindamecca]

The only guy on the Rookie team who can "kill" you with spot up J's is Melo. Dwayne and Lebron don't shoot spot up J's well. This was exploited by Spain during international play, and the 1st team is loaded with better defenders than Spain. Every time they miss, the defensive rebound goes to the 1st team, who has an excellent rebounder at every position. The second chance buckets would be out of control for the 1st Team.

Hinrich is not good enough to play on a team that can beat the 1st Team unless you put a 30 year old Michael Jordan at SG.

This talk of Lebron beasting over Duncan, Shaq and KG is just ridiculous. Then there is the X factor of Carmelo and Hinrich being inferior competitors to everyone else in the game. 1st Team has guys that do the big things and the little things. Only 3/5 of the Rook team can do the intangibles, and even then, Bosh doesn't do it as well as the front line of the 1st Team.

Make the Rooks shoot and they cannot rebound or defend well enough to win a half court game. The 1st team never has to fall back on perimeter shooting because the Rooks don't have the size to stop anyone at the rim. Hinrich, Melo and Bosh would add nothing on transition defense.

On top of all of that, 1st team has great passers from 1-5. Rooks only have Wade and Lebron. In fact, they'd have better luck starting Wade at the point, because Hinrich isn't creating shots for anyone.

[J.R. Locke]

All rookie team would dominate because of defense. They are far greater defensive unit than the slower bigger all nba team.

Hinrich being the weakest link for the all rookie team is a tough defender and would be very good at helping on the post.

All the rest have been discussed.

I would play a lot of zone and force J Kidd and Kobe to chuck threes.

[Bornindamecca]

Quote: Originally Posted by J.R. Locke

All rookie team would dominate because of defense. They are far greater defensive unit than the slower bigger all nba team.

I'm done! Ya'll got it

[Kashanova]

Quote: Originally Posted by J.R. Locke

All rookie team would dominate because of defense. They are far greater defensive unit than the slower bigger all nba team. Hinrich being the weakest link for the all rookie team is a tough defender and would be very good at helping on the post. All the rest have been discussed. I would play a lot of zone and force J Kidd and Kobe to chuck threes.

exactly, LBJ is far above anyone on that court defensively

[ProfessaPackMan]

All NBA and it wouldn't even be close.

Who was COTY that year because that's who I would have coach the All NBA team and if it's Pop or Larry Brown, then it wouldn't even be close. And yes coaching would make a difference in this matchup.

[JBH3]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bornindamecca

The only guy on the Rookie team who can "kill" you with spot up J's is Melo. Dwayne and Lebron don't shoot spot up J's well. This was exploited by Spain during international play, and the 1st team is loaded with better defenders than Spain. Every time they miss, the defensive rebound goes to the 1st team, who has an excellent rebounder at every position. The second chance buckets would be out of control for the 1st Team. Hinrich is not good enough to play on a team that can beat the 1st Team unless you put a 30 year old Michael Jordan at SG. This talk of Lebron beasting over Duncan, Shaq and KG is just ridiculous. Then there is the X factor of Carmelo and Hinrich being inferior competitors to everyone else in the game. 1st Team has guys that do the big things and the little things. Only 3/5 of the Rook team can do the intangibles, and even then, Bosh doesn't do it as well as the front line of the 1st Team. Make the Rooks shoot and they cannot rebound or defend well enough to win a half court game. The 1st team never has to fall back on perimeter shooting because the Rooks don't have the size to stop anyone at the rim. Hinrich, Melo and Bosh would add nothing on transition defense. On top of all of that, 1st team has great passers from 1-5. Rooks only have Wade and Lebron. In fact, they'd have better luck starting Wade at the point, because Hinrich isn't creating shots for anyone.

You're discrediting Hinrich's game too much. He is a cagey defender and can hold it down on an older/step-slower Kidd.

I never said anyone would beast over Shaq...Shaq in IMO is the biggest advantage the All-NBA team has because they can't account for his size. BUT he can't guard Bosh in space so held D would have to come if Bosh played away from the rim like KG.

LBJ can matchup w/ Duncan. As I stated they're measurables are very similar, BUT LBJ is the better athlete so I think he wins that matchup. Melo would have to man up on KG, and that would be a tough matchup given KG's length and versatility on D; being able to play on-ball etc.

Wade and Kobe is a wash both will get theres.

Quote: Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan

All NBA and it wouldn't even be close. Who was COTY that year because that's who I would have coach the All NBA team and if it's Pop or Larry Brown, then it wouldn't even be close. And yes coaching would make a difference in this matchup.

OK...well the NBA Finals for 03-04 was LA vs DET. So we could say that the winner of the Finals pick their team to coach. So one team would have Larry Brown, and the other Phil Jackson.

[X*Cell]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kashanova

exactly, LBJ is far above anyone on that court defensively

D-Wade is actually the best defender out there... but yeah LBJ is above everyone else besides Wade.