LAL need to trade for McGrady

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I know they need defense but im talking mcgrady lamar, maybe even radman

You're all over the place man talking about KG and Perkins and all of that.

Mac would've fit then and done far greater for the team than Lamar then and would now.

[vaballer34]

LA would of won the Finals last year and would be a better team this year if the had McGrady and its not because of his offense but his defense.

His first few years with Toronto he was a solid defender because that was his role but his role changed clearly when he went to Orlando and Houston.

I understand he has problems with staying healthy but honestly who wouldn't carrying 11 other guys on your back and fighting to make the playoffs in the West. Thats a lot of responsibility for one player.

If McGrady was in LA his defense would improve because he doesn't have to focus on scoring and at the same time creating shots for his teammates...less pressure on him on the offensive end. He doesn't have to be 1st Team All-D...thats Kobe's role. McGrady would fit perfectly being the 2nd or 3rd option in LA.

[Bornindamecca]

Quote: Originally Posted by KDRE_OS

You're all over the place man talking about KG and Perkins and all of that.

I bring up those other players because Lamar and Gasol were both put in positions that catered to their weaknesses because of the absence of Bynum. I bring up Battier because I the lack of a second effective defensive swingman hurt the Lakers, a spot which Ariza is learning more and more to fill.

I'm saying the same basic thing though: Tracy doesn't fix the potential problems that the Lakers may have. They need to rebound, be physical in the paint, get stops and win the hustle players. Tracy doesn't bring any of that. More over, if you bring Tracy in, you're putting him in the starting lineup, right? So what do you trade for him? What does that do to the bench rotation. Right now they have a pretty damn good thing going, and their main task is to keep improving in the areas I mentioned. If they do that, they will be much better against the C's if both teams have a rematch.

Your idea is to bring Tracy along to outgun them, and I disagree with that. I think you'll have the same problem of the C's getting more stops, and the Lakers not getting enough stops.

[tmulk]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bornindamecca

He knows he isn't exactly the same level of player...

According to what? When did he say that? Where is your proof? Tracy McGrady never said that, nothing even remotly close. Show me ONE, JUST ONE player of that calibur who doesn't think they are the greatest to ever step onto the court. Just one. They ALL DO. THEY HAVE TO! So show me where Tracy McGrady said he wasn't the same level of player as Kobe, please.

[Bornindamecca]

Quote: Originally Posted by tmulk

According to what? When did he say that? Where is your proof? Tracy McGrady never said that, nothing even remotly close. Show me ONE, JUST ONE player of that calibur who doesn't think they are the greatest to ever step onto the court. Just one. They ALL DO. THEY HAVE TO! So show me where Tracy McGrady said he wasn't the same level of player as Kobe, please.

In that interview where he said that Kobe was hands down the best....

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Quote: Originally Posted by Bornindamecca

I bring up those other players because Lamar and Gasol were both put in positions that catered to their weaknesses because of the absence of Bynum. I bring up Battier because I the lack of a second effective defensive swingman hurt the Lakers, a spot which Ariza is learning more and more to fill. I'm saying the same basic thing though: Tracy doesn't fix the potential problems that the Lakers may have. They need to rebound, be physical in the paint, get stops and win the hustle players. Tracy doesn't bring any of that. More over, if you bring Tracy in, you're putting him in the starting lineup, right? So what do you trade for him? What does that do to the bench rotation. Right now they have a pretty damn good thing going, and their main task is to keep improving in the areas I mentioned. If they do that, they will be much better against the C's if both teams have a rematch. Your idea is to bring Tracy along to outgun them, and I disagree with that. I think you'll have the same problem of the C's getting more stops, and the Lakers not getting enough stops.

Lamar disappeared period point blank. Nobody said he was out of position before the finals, or during the season and the season they had

When the team needs to score, such as when they lost the 24pt lead, you need a guy who can create, keep the defense honest, and the truth is with Tracy and Kobe on the floor in the playoffs is not going to see the same pack the paint and double kobe defense that they saw.

Posey neutralized Odom by his lonesome. That would never happen with Tracy. There wouldnt be times where your team is in that position where they're on their heels just to stay in the game let alone win it.

Battier disappears in games just the same. Its not the team he's on, its because you can neurtralize his one dimesionalism as well. Trevor nor Kobe wouldnt stop Pierce or Allen, neither would he, and to suggest that Battier would be more of a game changer than McGrady is insane. Its not just about jumpshots, have you seen this man in the playoffs at all?

Its more of a question is do you think mac would've beat Utah if he had Pau and Kobe instead of Yao and Shane Battier

[Bornindamecca]

You're my man, but there are all sorts of craziness in this last post, HAHA!

Quote: Originally Posted by KDRE_OS

Lamar disappeared period point blank. Nobody said he was out of position before the finals, or during the season and the season they had

They said that all the time! "Because of Bynum going down with the knee, Pau and Odom blah blah blah. When he returns, they will shift back to blah blah blah." I can't believe you watched the Lakers last year and didn't hear that quote ad nauseum. I can literally hear Marv Albert's voice in my head right now.

Quote: Originally Posted by KDRE_OS

When the team needs to score, such as when they lost the 24pt lead, you need a guy who can create, keep the defense honest, and the truth is with Tracy and Kobe on the floor in the playoffs is not going to see the same pack the paint and double kobe defense that they saw.

I feel the same way about having Bynum back. His size and physicality will allow the Lakers to capitalize off of bigs helping out, and will free up Gasol on the perimeter or the glass.

When they lost the 24pt lead, they needed a STOP. That's the difference between your and my thinking. A couple of good stops will KILL a run, and might get you an easy bucket. Letting teams score and then having to create out of the half court offense is a very difficult way to stop runs, especially against a great defensive team.

Quote: Originally Posted by KDRE_OS

Battier disappears in games just the same. Its not the team he's on, its because you can neurtralize his one dimesionalism as well. Trevor nor Kobe wouldnt stop Pierce or Allen, neither would he, and to suggest that Battier would be more of a game changer than McGrady is insane.

Ariza has a ways to go, but if you put Shane on Pierce and Kobe on Allen I think you could sufficiently disrupt the Celtics offense, especially with Bynum as an anchor.

Quote: Originally Posted by KDRE_OS

. Its not just about jumpshots, have you seen this man in the playoffs at all?

Not in the second round...

Quote: Originally Posted by KDRE_OS

Its more of a question is do you think mac would've beat Utah if he had Pau and Kobe instead of Yao and Shane Battier

Absolutely ludicrous question, considering Pau and Kobe beat Utah without Tmac. So you're really asking do I think Tmac would take away from the Lakers SO MUCH that they would become a team that could NO LONGER beat Utah. Of course not. The question is absurd, and off target.

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Actually you're wrong about what I was saying.
I wasn't disputing the talk of lamar at PF just that he's ok with it until they lose then he takes the full blame. LA fans are plenty fickle with him...

That said the 2nd round crack is the point. It takes a team not one guy.

If tracy could take that weak wack magic team to 7 games with as you say no hustle and no 5 against the pistons then he could likely win games with this current lakers team against an aggressive defense because he affects games more than just jumpers.

Teams key in on him with constant doubles because at any moment he can change the game or control it with his vision and tact.

Lamar odom never has or will ever be able to do this and certainly not shane battier. Neither of them has ever been as effective in the playoffs and its really absurd to even think battier is some super defender game changer


I get what's happening but you in your last stement again goes right along w the fact. Put the dude on a team of players and the outcome is scary.

Can't say that about lamar shane or trevor

Anyhow anybody else want to chime in.

Macs contract is up next year and odoms this year

[Bornindamecca]

Quote: Originally Posted by KDRE_OS

Actually you're wrong about what I was saying. I wasn't disputing the talk of lamar at PF just that he's ok with it until they lose then he takes the full blame. LA fans are plenty fickle with him...

You said that no one said he was out of position before, and that's not true. When Bynum went down, that adjustment was a recurring theme in discussing the Lakers last year. I can't get into this taking full blame stuff, because that assumes that all Lakers fans reacted exactly the same way to the entire season. Lamar didn't play well against the C's. Everyone knows that.

Quote: Originally Posted by KDRE_OS

That said the 2nd round crack is the point. It takes a team not one guy.

And the Lakers are playing very well as a team right now. I don't believe in drastically changing a team that goes to the Finals, especially when that team wasn't at full strength.

Quote: Originally Posted by KDRE_OS

If tracy could take that weak wack magic team to 7 games with as you say no hustle and no 5 against the pistons then he could likely win games with this current lakers team against an aggressive defense because he affects games more than just jumpers.

If Tracy was 25 years old, we'd be having a different conversation. Come on, you know he's not the same dude.

Quote: Originally Posted by KDRE_OS

Teams key in on him with constant doubles because at any moment he can change the game or control it with his vision and tact. Lamar odom never has or will ever be able to do this and certainly not shane battier. Neither of them has ever been as effective in the playoffs and its really absurd to even think battier is some super defender game changer.

Again, despite how many times I say it, you never address the point. With the core of Kobe, Gasol and Bynum, I would rather have lesser talented players offensively who are better defenders and hustle guys.

Also, the Lakers are still a young team, and I'd be reluctant to trade away youth that is playing very well right now. Of all the teams in the league that need to trade for a superstar SG/offensive SF, the Lakers are a poor choice. I think the best thing for the Lakers to do is stand pat and work with what they have to improve defensively and in terms of toughness.

You think they need to add McGrady's offense. Ok. On that point I agree to disagree.

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Im not going to go back and forward with you I asked for opinions on Tracy as opposed to Lamar and youre the one all over the place.

I said he would've made more of an impact than LO did in the finals and I stand by that. The man crumpled and disappeared like Pippen did against the Pistons in the late 80's.

Fact of the matter is McGrady is a greater player and could bring more to the team than Odom, doesn't matter if he's playing PF right now or not. The guy will be the scapegoat again once they begin to lose games, and thats the point.

I know the Lakers defensive issues and Lamar's position problem. Im not even talking about all of that, and the topic went south once it got past Altimus and, ec.