2012 Mid-Season Awards

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by snepp

But it's the "stat geeks" that are condescending and arrogant.

Are you really denying that?

[55]

Weaver moved into my honorable mention spot after his last start, knocking Verlander to third.

Keep in mind, I compiled this before his previous start.

If he hadn't missed three starts earlier in the year, he would probably be at #1 for me, but Sale is still there.

[letsgopens66]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Are you really denying that?

It's either sabremetrics or nothing to some people.

Homerism aside, I still think Cutch is the NL MVP of the finest half. He's hitting out of his mind.

[Sportsforever]

Oops...didn't realize a Weaver discussion was going on in here. I just posted this in a the game thread, but Weaver has made 7 of his 15 starts against the likes of Min, Oak, San Diego, and KC. He has not shown up against the two 'offenses' he faced, Texas and NYY. I'd like him to shut down the good offenses before we crown him.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sportsforever

Oops...didn't realize a Weaver discussion was going on in here. I just posted this in a the game thread, but Weaver has made 7 of his 15 starts against the likes of Min, Oak, San Diego, and KC. He has not shown up against the two 'offenses' he faced, Texas and NYY. I'd like him to shut down the good offenses before we crown him.

He's never pitched well in Texas. Ever. The NYY game is the game he was hurt in . Can't really hold that against him.

[Baughn3]

I like the Sale pick, but I doubt he'll have the chance to win the award because I'm sure the White Sox will shut him down. He only threw 70 innings last year, and is already over 100 this season. If they're not in the hunt, I don't see him going over 150.

Now I just have to find someone in my fantasy league that's willing to take him in a trade

[55]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baughn3

I like the Sale pick, but I doubt he'll have the chance to win the award because I'm sure the White Sox will shut him down. He only threw 70 innings last year, and is already over 100 this season. If they're not in the hunt, I don't see him going over 150. Now I just have to find someone in my fantasy league that's willing to take him in a trade

Well, they are in first place so who knows?

[JJLinn]

Quote: Originally Posted by letsgopens66

It's either sabremetrics or nothing to some people. Homerism aside, I still think Cutch is the NL MVP of the finest half. He's hitting out of his mind.

If the Pirates keep this up he should definitely be in the conversation.

That Showalter for MOY pick isn't going to happen either, the wheels are already falling off the Orioles bus.

[jth1331]

Quote: Originally Posted by snepp

Grilli has been better than Hanrahan across the board. Piss on saves, they're worthless.

Just to further point out how saves are worthless:
Heath Bell is 5th in the NL in saves, tied for 10th in all of baseball. And he has an ERA over 6 and a WHIP over 1.80.

[Coug00]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Zero earned runs allowed in 8 of his 15 starts. Save all the sabrmetrics nonsense. When you've been doing it as long as he has, it's not luck. People are just not able to square up the ball on him frequently.

Then why is he giving up the second highest line drive rate of his career? High line drive rate + low BABIP = Luck. Does that mean he isn't elite? Absolutely not, but he has had better luck than normal...unless you believe he is able to control the hitters to hit the ball hard right at his defense.

Quote:

The use of "advanced" stats as the sole means to judge a player has gone way past old. Particularly for an award like the Cy Young.

Who does this? Especially for the Cy Young. It was just four years ago the biggest determining factor in winning the award was something as worthless as Wins.