Yanks offer to C.C. Sabathia:6 years, 160 million $

[SpacemanSpiff]

Quote: Originally Posted by OSUFan_88

If that's the case, he'll go to SF. Going home with a huge contract is something CC has dreamed about. As for the whole "the Yanks ruin free agency" thing, it's not only the Yankees. It's the Yanks, Boston, Mets, or some moron mid market team that over pays for a Gil Meche type player. Hating the team does nothing, Stern and the MLBPA are the real villains.

David Stern is so bad he is the villain in two sports, basketball and baseball. Haha, I know what you meant, just ragging.

[YankeePride]

Quote: Originally Posted by rspencer86

I hope the Giants land CC. The same team having Lincecum and Sabathia would be just ridiculous. Don't want to take this thread off-topic, but why do people still hold onto this idea that Meche was a ridiculous, terrible signing by the Royals? He's had a sub-4.00 ERA both years in KC and last year had a 14-11 record on a team that finished with a losing record. Meanwhile, the Giants throw $18 million/year at Barry Zito during the same offseason that Meche was signed and has posted 4.53 and 5.15 ERAs in his two years in SF and has gone a combined 21-30. The Royals take heat when they don't spend money, then they go out and sign a legitimate front-of-the-rotation guy and take crap for that, too.

Agreed. Gil Meche is worth the contract. He would be worth even more if he were on a good team.

The media would be saying that he was a bargain if he was on the Yankees.

[dave374]

I don't deny Sabathia is a fine pitcher, but he doesn't have one 20-win season in his career.
Long-term deals like this for pitchers is always doomed to failure.
Yankees won when they were developing players, not just buying them.

Edited because I'm stupid.

[NYJets]

Quote: Originally Posted by dave374

I don't deny Sabathia is a fine pitcher, but he doesn't have one 20-win season in his career or a Cy Young. Long-term deals like this for pitchers is always doomed to failure. Yankees won when they were developing players, not just buying them.

But he is consistently one of the most dominant pitchers in baseball, and will give you 200+ innings a year, both more important than an arbitrary milestone based on a meaningless stat. And I thought he did have a cy young, I might be wrong though? But again, not that important.

And the Yankees won when they developed players, traded for players, and signed players, which is what they are doing now.

[YankeePride]

Yes, he won a Cy Young a long one year ago.

And wins are just not a good stat to use to measure a pitcher's worth.

Either way, if you wanted to use wins, there's nothing bad about averaging 18 wins in the past two seasons.

[OSUFan_88]

Quote: Originally Posted by Secondbase22

David Stern is so bad he is the villain in two sports, basketball and baseball. Haha, I know what you meant, just ragging.

What a major brain fart.

As for Meche...5 years, 55 Million for an average pitcher is overpayment. He is just one example though, look at the Cleveland Indians' very own platoon LF, David Dellucci and his 3 year, $11.5 Million is another great example of overpayment for bad contracts.

I could go on and on about it, bringing up plenty of bad contracts, but it's really off topic.

[dave374]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

Yes, he won a Cy Young a long one year ago.

Ooops. LOL. Will edit that.

[Thrasha]

Quote: Originally Posted by OSUFan_88

What a major brain fart. As for Meche...5 years, 55 Million for an average pitcher is overpayment. He is just one example though, look at the Cleveland Indians' very own platoon LF, David Dellucci and his 3 year, $11.5 Million is another great example of overpayment for bad contracts. I could go on and on about it, bringing up plenty of bad contracts, but it's really off topic.

11 million dollars a year is about what you're going to pay for average starting pitching at this point in time.

The Gil Meche contract was actually a pretty good one in retrospect. Kudos to Dayton Moore for forecasting the market accurately and bringing him without "overpaying" by today's standards.

[YankeePride]

Gil Meche has been worth every dollar for Kansas City. He's a bargain on a winning team.

[OSUFan_88]

Quote: Originally Posted by Thrasha

11 million dollars a year is about what you're going to pay for average starting pitching at this point in time. The Gil Meche contract was actually a pretty good one in retrospect. Kudos to Dayton Moore for forecasting the market accurately and bringing him without "overpaying" by today's standards.

But doesn't his overpayment lead to bigger contracts for the better players, thus raising salaries?

Gil Meche's contract led to Johan's insane contract, it will lead to CC's as well.