General thoughts on league setup

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by str8stuntin03

I say just up the Free throw difficultly slider.

It's not an ideal solution but a possible one.

Every argument being made for real FT% can be made for using it with real FG%. It doesn't make sense to want it for only part of the game.

Taking all the skill away from the user just doesn't make sense to me in a competitive online league.

[eDotd]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bornindamecca

I vote real FT%. You can master anyone's release, and it's not sim for a terrible FT shooter to go 90+% from the line.

That's basically all it comes down to for me.

@chia, the only reason I like RFT% over RFG% is because a perfect release for a jumper isn't 100%. You can master a jumper but the game still takes his ratings, the defense, his location, the type of shot, etc into account.

[Pared]

It's the same argument though. I know you're seeing a difference, but you can't argue "sim" and then claim one is better than the other.

Take the argument the other way around... what if you can't master someone jumper? Is it sim to have someone take a Kobe/LBJ/Wade/Anthony and score 10 ppg with him?

Granted, we'll probably end up going with real FT% since enough guys want it but it's a weak argument if you're into one and not the other, even if the game is taking all that into account. It's basically taking more and more user skill out of the hands the guys that we want to "game" against.

[chia51]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

It's not an ideal solution but a possible one. Every argument being made for real FT% can be made for using it with real FG%. It doesn't make sense to want it for only part of the game. Taking all the skill away from the user just doesn't make sense to me in a competitive online league.

Agreed... In my opinion I would go with both off. But when you look at it from the outside... I would say all or none.

Quote: Originally Posted by eDotd

That's basically all it comes down to for me. @chia, the only reason I like RFT% over RFG% is because a perfect release for a jumper isn't 100%. You can master a jumper but the game still takes his ratings, the defense, his location, the type of shot, etc into account.

Mo, I understand and agree with you about the No FG% shooting. But when you look at what Real FG% does, it is basically the same minus the shot stick part of it. The only thing that is different is the "boost" from the shot stick if its released perfect.

So when looking at it in my opinion it looks like this:

Player A
Medium shot of 75

With FG% ON his medium shot is 75 (then subtract for defense, shot type, movement, and what have you.)

With FG% OFF his medium shot is 75 (then subtract for defense, shot type, movement, and what have you, but ADD "X% boost" for a perfect release)

Does this not seem like it would be advantageous for a user to get players that have easier shot releases for themselves to get the extra "boost" for perfect releases. That is all I am saying... when it comes down to it though I really don't care and will go with the majority. I play sim, try and run my offense and if it doesn't work then I just play some bball.

[chia51]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

It's the same argument though. I know you're seeing a difference, but you can't argue "sim" and then claim one is better than the other. Take the argument the other way around... what if you can't master someone jumper? Is it sim to have someone take a Kobe/LBJ/Wade/Anthony and score 10 ppg with him? Granted, we'll probably end up going with real FT% since enough guys want it but it's a weak argument if you're into one and not the other, even if the game is taking all that into account. It's basically taking more and more user skill out of the hands the guys that we want to "game" against.

Thanks Pared for taking a step back and looking at it. I do agree that its either all or none with this.

[str8stuntin03]

Something just feels good when you draining shots with the shot stick or button, that feel will feel kind of "cheapen" with RFG% on

[chia51]

str8,
Agreed, but I also don't like the given boost. As mentioned already... I will roll however.

[32]

I think it should be all or nothing also. If I had to pick I'd go with on. I'd rather have someone beating because there's players are that good, rather than because they mastered their release point.

[amedawg00]

Lets just leave it all off. It it's not broke, don't fix it. Pared already looked up the FT percentages from last season in the league, and they were realistic and varied.

And there is pretty much a consensus for not rolling with this real FG % gimmick. Mastering release points have been a staple of 2K's gameplay for years. Let's not remove that skill element from this league.

Here are the FG stats from last season. Pretty realistic and varied as well.

[Bornindamecca]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

It's the same argument though. I know you're seeing a difference, but you can't argue "sim" and then claim one is better than the other. Take the argument the other way around... what if you can't master someone jumper? Is it sim to have someone take a Kobe/LBJ/Wade/Anthony and score 10 ppg with him? Granted, we'll probably end up going with real FT% since enough guys want it but it's a weak argument if you're into one and not the other, even if the game is taking all that into account. It's basically taking more and more user skill out of the hands the guys that we want to "game" against.

That logic doesn't work, because a jumpshot is about more than just the shooting. Everything else in the play has to pay it off, and moreover, there is a ceiling on how much impact mastering a release is going to be. No matter how much you master his release, Rondo is not going to consistently hit the 3pt shot. There's no need to have real FG% regulate this. On the flip side, you can hit every FT with Shaq(or Rondo, heh) if you master the release. There is no defense to throw you off. It's a pause in the back and forth gameplay where you have an opportunity to exploit the system without the burden of defense.

This isn't about capping the lower portion of player failure. User error is the responsibility of the user. This is about capping the ceiling of how much user excellence can bend basketball law.