Player's Weight in NCAA 11

[rudyjuly2]

I got a copy of a prospect file from an online dynasty over at Gamingtailgate.com. I spent some time looking at it at work, I mean at home, and was very disappointed to see that player weight is completely random and not tied to the ratings at all. I think we all know that EA isn't using a real physics based engine and weight didn't matter. But I still thought that players abilities would be tied somewhat to their ratings. By that I assumed bigger running backs would be slower and stronger while smaller running backs would generally be quicker and faster. Not true at all. It simply is irrelevant.

I looked at OL as well. There is ZERO relationship between their weight and their strength or run and pass block ratings. You could have a road grading RT be 270 pounds and a nimble pass blocker that struggles in the run game be 330 pounds. I know there are always going to be unique players that don't fit a generic mold but there should definitely be some semblance of realism in a generated recruit's weight vs. his ratings. It would add more personality and realism if there was some correlation.

To be fair, I didn't have numerical figure for the prospect file - just the letter grades so I don't know how they convert to numbers exactly. Maybe the pocket scout guys can chime in. But I did convert them to a number system and found that weight is 100% random. I'm proposing that they generate the ratings of the recruits and then calculate the weight of each recruit based on position and a handful of ratings. It would be a lot better.

I've attached two pdf files that show the results of the weight by category for OL and RBs. I've also attached an Excel spreadsheet that I created to calculate a player's weight based on ratings and position. I did add a small random factor in to keep it somewhat unique but more realistic. As a player gets bigger and stronger over the dynasty maybe they could update the weight to show a player getting bigger as well. I hope EA can tie ratings to weight for NCAA 12. It's not hard.

You can use these online spreadsheets as well:
RB - https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...ObZIKIiA#gid=2
OL - https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...ObZIKIiA#gid=1

[PocketScout]

Quote: Originally Posted by rudyjuly2

To be fair, I didn't have numerical figure for the prospect file - just the letter grades so I don't know how they convert to numbers exactly. Maybe the pocket scout guys can chime in.

Here is the other categories broken down as well. I dont have the D- information included in this one.

SQT-S = Squat for skill players
SQT-L = Squat for Lineman and Linebackers
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spd    str    btk/tck rb/tck
40    BNCH    SQT-S  SQT-L  RAT    GRD
===========================================
4.24    xxx    445    795    99    A+
4.26    xxx    440    785    98    A+ 
4.28    xxx    435    775    97    A+
===========================================
4.30    xxx    430    765    96    A
4.32    xxx    425    755    95    A 
4.34    515    420    745    94    A
===========================================
4.36    509    415    735    93    A-
4.38    503    410    725    92    A-
=========================================== 
4.40    497    405    715    91    B+
4.42    491    400    705    90    B+
4.44    485    395    695    89    B+ 
4.46    480    390    690    88    B+
===========================================
4.48    474    385    680    87    B
4.50    468    380    670    86    B  
4.52    462    375    665    85    B  
4.54    456    370    655    84    B
===========================================
4.56    450    365    645    83    B- 
4.58    444    360    640    82    B- 
4.60    438    355    630    81    B-
4.62    432    350    620    80    B-
===========================================
4.64    426    345    610    79    C+ 
4.66    420    340    605    78    C+ 
4.68    414    335    595    77    C+
4.70    408    330    585    76    C+
===========================================
4.72    402    325    580    75    C
4.74    396    320    570    74    C
4.76    390    315    560    73    C  
4.78    384    310    555    72    C
===========================================
4.80    378    305    545    71    C-
4.82    372    300    535    70    C-
4.84    366    295    525    69    C-
===========================================
4.86    360    290    520    68    D+
4.88    354    285    510    67    D+ 
4.90    348    280    500    66    D+
===========================================
4.92    342    275    495    65    D
4.94    336    270    485    64    D
4.96    330    265    475    63    D
4.98    325    260    470    62    D
5.00    319    255    460    61    D
5.02    313    250    450    60    D
===========================================

Also to clarify what each is for.....
40: is the speed rating
BNCH: is the str rating
SQT-S: is tackle for defense and break tackle for offense, this is skill players.
SQT-L: is tackle for defense and run block for offense, this is lineman and linebackers.

[sniperhare]

I would love to be able to decide in the offseason what type of workouts my players would perform. And not just WR's, RB's, I'm talking about individual players.

It would help with getting players big enough for the NFL and in position transfers.

Like say you recruit a moderately quick DE with good lower leg strength, he's 6'2 260 and you move him to DT and in his senior year he's NFL bound at 310.

It could also help differentiate coaching philosophies and the importance of strength and conditioning coaches.

Take the Jaguars for example, for a period of time (I think around '06-'08) they focused on having everyone gain as much raw strength as possible, everyone was to get as big as they could. They used heavy weights and got slower and many players suffered from joint and tendon injuries.

They got Luke Richesson in 2009 and he completely changed the teams workout style. It was more about power and strength they could use, not just how much weight they could bench, squat or curl.

These things should be in Madden and NCAA.

[PocketScout]

As for the idea you are purposing, it is a valid one. Players performance attributes are what matter, not their physical attributes. Height does help with jump balls, weight does help with taking up space, but it is not directly tied to players performance attributes.

Also if you want some valid class data (this is not dynasty exports which use grades, but there actual attribute data) check out the file below:
http://www.pocketscout.site90.com/files/BigList.xlsx

EDIT:
I like the idea you bring up, but at the same time I do hope that if anything is implemented, that it is still done on a bell curve like the rest of the play attribute distribution. Most of the guys would fall right in line, but this way it would still leave open the chance of a freak like Brandon Jacobs to be generated.

[rudyjuly2]

I understand. I still want to have physical freaks - guys that are big but still quick and fast but weight still needs to make sense. Generally speaking a 180 pound RB should not be a power back and a 225 pound back should not be a quick and shifty guy that struggles to break tackles. I'd love to see weight be more relevant for defensive players so you can recruit guys specifically for 3-4 vs. 4-3. Right now a totally random aspect to the weight of recruits is just plain wrong imo.

Thanks for the info pocketscout. I'm going to change my number system to match your number for the grades although it will still say the same thing (with different base rates). I'll look at the big list file as well but I can only look at it at work since I don't have the new Office at home (I actually prefer Office 2000 to all the dumb sub menus of the newer one).

[PocketScout]

Heres you a 2k friendly version

http://www.pocketscout.site90.com/files/BigList.xls

[LOLBAMA]

good **** bro!

[Hellisan]

Good thread and topic.

I generally agree with everything said. I'd like a bit more correlation. I wanna see fewer 5-10, 175 lb. power backs, for instance. Related to the halfback position, I'd like to see a few more small guys who can catch the ball out of the backfield. 3rd down back types.

But at the same time, I still want to see the occasional total freak athlete who has it all.

One thing I really want to see fixed next year is for the 40 time to blend the speed and acceleration together.

[rudyjuly2]

Quote: Originally Posted by PocketScout

Heres you a 2k friendly version http://www.pocketscout.site90.com/files/BigList.xls

This spreadsheet looks fantastic. Will definitely look at some more stuff with this today. Thanks again.

[rudyjuly2]

Thanks again PocketScout. I ran some graphs with the RB and OL numbers (I removed the athletes from the prospects though).

Weight is 99% random as you can see. You have to at least have some correlation between weight and speed and strength imo.

(Edit, I brought the OL pdf home but it exceeds 500 KB so I can't load it but you can still see the RB one including a couple histograms showing the distribution of both weight and speed against a bell curve).