Why Not Develop on The PS3?

[moylan55]

Quote: Originally Posted by Common

About three years back. PS3, Wii, 360.

oh dear lord i was afraid of that. we're going to have revoke your OS membership. the Wii should never be mentioned along side the other two. Coleco Vision had better graphics and games.

[hayvis]

There's a very simple answer to this question; maybe someone said it earlier, I haven't read the whole thread :

The Xbox 360 was initially easier to program, so it made sense to develop the game there and port it over. It's a shame, because even though the graphics chip isn't as good on the PS3, it's got the cell, which can perform a lot more calculations, and companies are learning how to make everything (including graphics - they offload some of the processing) look better on the PS3 now than when the NCAA team started development. They'd have to start from scratch if they were to develop/take advantage of the PS3.

[JMD]

Quote: Originally Posted by jwilphl

It's only a matter of time until console games start becoming two-disk construction projects much like the PC. With hard drives and equipment essentially the same as a computer, it only makes sense that in order to develop to a system's full potential that install disks and such start making their way to the market. Obviously hard-disk space is a concern, but there are aftermarket solutions available that can now hold up to 500GB. With the PS3 apparently starting to phase out the 80GB in favor of the 120GB, this may be the direction Sony, at least, is heading. I'm not really in favor of either PS3 or 360, I think they both have their problems, but because I do own a PS3, yes it is unfortunate that we have to deal with the 'ported' games. I doubt it will ever change because it's simply harder to develop games for the PS3. Maybe Sony will try and address these issues come the next generation of consoles.

I believe Forza 3 coming to the 360 this October will be the first 2 disc game so multi disc games are in our future. I own a PS3 and a 360, I don't know all the tech stuff but I feel if EA could make a better game on the PS3 and it would take multi disc's do give us that same game on the 360, then they should do it. Even if it means we have to install the game on our 360 HDD, so be it. If you can't afford a 120gig HDD then maybe you can't afford to be gaming.

One system should not be limited because of another. Maybe after Forza 3 comes out on two discs things will change.

[dkrause1971]

Quote: Originally Posted by JMD

I believe Forza 3 coming to the 360 this October will be the first 2 disc game so multi disc games are in our future. I own a PS3 and a 360, I don't know all the tech stuff but I feel if EA could make a better game on the PS3 and it would take multi disc's do give us that same game on the 360, then they should do it. Even if it means we have to install the game on our 360 HDD, so be it. If you can't afford a 120gig HDD then maybe you can't afford to be gaming. One system should not be limited because of another. Maybe after Forza 3 comes out on two discs things will change.

Tell that to all the Xbox owners who had to take crappy port after crappy port of PS2 games, despite HD space and better specs.

[Jistic]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings_EA

PS3 has slightly less memory available in game than 360. Though both ship with the same amount of memory (512 MB), the XMB eats up a little bit more than the 360 blade stuff. Since all PS3's are also guaranteed to have a hard drive (unlike 360), we stream the replay data straight to the PS3 hard drive as the play is being run instead of streaming it to memory (like we do on 360). Unfortunately, writing 60 frames per second to the hard drive in realtime is a performance hit and will end up causing hitching and gameplay framerate loss, so sometimes we have to skip a frame or two (depending on what is happening on screen and how long the replay is) to ensure we don't screw up the normal gameplay experience. Since the replay buffer on the hard drive now has less frames, it has less fidelity when you play it back.

Here.

[dkrause1971]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jistic

Here.

Which could explain why the ball rotation on the ps3 replays would be taken out. Thanks for posting that Jistic.

[Rekkapryde]

I wonder how much code is offloaded to the SPUs on the PS3 version?

I do think the PS3 has the ability to have a much better version of the games, but I don't know how much talent the guys at EA have in regards to SPU coding. I know they've gotten better no doubt, but I am curious to see what the PS3 version would be like if let's say the guys at Naughty Dog (Uncharted) or Guerilla Games (KZ2) worked with Ian's team on the game. Even though both systems have the same amount of total memory, the memory used in the PS3 is faster from what i understand.

I do think that making the best game possible on both systems pays dividends instead of trying to equalize or using one as the foundation over another./

[TIm]

I will weigh in on this conversation.

IMO, The Ps3 is the more powerful system overall. But why in the heck would developers create games based of the Ps3?? Bottom line there are alot more 360's in homes then ps3. I personally think that is the reason. They know they will get sales. I don't want to hear that the Ps3 is harder to develop for. While it is a little more difficult, Why spend the extra dollars trying to figure out the full potential of the system. It's very clear right now that the 360 has been getting some serious games that used to be PS3 or Playstation exclusive. WHY...Because people are buying the 360.... I think the gaming world was suprised about the 360 because all we really heard from a ton of people is, That it's a subpar system and the Ps3 will blow it out of the water. But the ease of development, The Fan base now, and Live, It's a no brainer. No I know this has been talked about alot but if the Ps3 dropped the price to a respectable 299...Watch the Ps3 sales skyrocket...If that happens. Then You watch the development cycle switch slowly to the ps3....Of all the videos of multiple platforms we get normally the 360 version shown.

[~Guru~]

Quote: Originally Posted by TIm

I will weigh in on this conversation. IMO, The Ps3 is the more powerful system overall. But why in the heck would developers create games based of the Ps3?? Bottom line there are alot more 360's in homes then ps3. I personally think that is the reason. They know they will get sales. I don't want to hear that the Ps3 is harder to develop for. While it is a little more difficult, Why spend the extra dollars trying to figure out the full potential of the system. It's very clear right now that the 360 has been getting some serious games that used to be PS3 or Playstation exclusive. WHY...Because people are buying the 360.... I think the gaming world was suprised about the 360 because all we really heard from a ton of people is, That it's a subpar system and the Ps3 will blow it out of the water. But the ease of development, The Fan base now, and Live, It's a no brainer. No I know this has been talked about alot but if the Ps3 dropped the price to a respectable 299...Watch the Ps3 sales skyrocket...If that happens. Then You watch the development cycle switch slowly to the ps3....Of all the videos of multiple platforms we get normally the 360 version shown.

ps3 sales are not going to make 3rd party companies make the game for the ps3

lower price does not fix the fact that is easier for companies to make the game better for 360

people need to accept that and move on....maybe sony gets smart next time around and are not in 3rd place for over 2 years

when their console was suppose to cure cancer....

[Common]

Quote: Originally Posted by ~Guru~

ps3 sales are not going to make 3rd party companies make the game for the ps3 lower price does not fix the fact that is easier for companies to make the game better for 360 people need to accept that and move on....maybe sony gets smart next time around and are not in 3rd place for over 2 years when their console was suppose to cure cancer....

I don't understand this thing about "well the 360 sales more." Technically it isn't as clear cut as some would have you believe but so be it. Sales numbers are irrelevant, they're meaningless. It has nothing to do with which system the games were developed on as it'd still come out on both systems.

Again, mediocrity IS easier to produce than quality. That's a given, but if I'm going to continue investing money in EA I'd like them to do whatever is in there power to produce a solid game. Obviously, there are current limitations that are keeping them from delievering the said experience.

Although I'd advise you get past your bias, I understand you love your 360. You may not own a PS3 so you may be missing out on some of the stellar games it's able to produce. Just get them both, you may be able to have a more objective opinion.