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Old 09-29-2008, 10:53 AM   #1
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Why are some plays not reviewable

Lately I have had a few fumbles that appeared the runner was down. The booth didn't review it so I went to and the option wasn't available for review.

This occured with 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter and the 2nd play of the game so it wasn't inside 2 minutes or anything. Pretty sad because they both had a huge impact on the game.

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Old 09-29-2008, 10:56 AM   #2
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Re: Why are some plays not reviewable

it really sucks in OT. if you fumble and the other team falls on it, there will not be any review, regardless if you were down or not. I've lost a few games that way in '09 and '08.
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Re: Why are some plays not reviewable

I've seen some calls overturned this year that were correct in the first place. I've also seen some reviews questioning the catch when the ball flew out of bounds and the refs ruled it incomplete. Why was there even a review? Definitely some spotty programming with the reviews.
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:36 AM   #4
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I had a fumble on my final drive of the game against #3 Penn St. in week 16 of my PITT dynasty. I was ranked #4, so whoever won was pretty much was in the NC.
I was down 30-38 with 32 seconds left on PSU's 5 yrd line trying to punch it in and make the 2 point conversion and tie the game but my FB fumbled and PSU recovered. I thought the booth would challenge, but they didnt and I could do it myself. I'm almost 100% sure that my FB was down and no review. It cost me the rivalry game and the NC.
Ive never been that upset over a video game lol.
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:13 PM   #5
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Re: Why are some plays not reviewable

did you already select the next play? i thought i was having the problem of not being able to review a call, and i think it was because i selected the next play on the play calling screen, waiting to see if the booth was going to review and then paused it and tried to have it reviewed...

When i would pause during the playcalling screen i would be able to review the call... But yeah, it's got a lot of bugs,and annoyances... Reviewable irrelavant plays, getting the call wrong and such
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:16 PM   #6
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The review system is terrible to put it kindly. The worst is when a dropped pass is reviewed to see if he caught it or not. The ball can go straight through their hands but they go into that sliding animation and they review the catch. They might as well just have every call be perfect and take out the replay system because it's pointless as is.
 
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reviews are another thing that if arnt going to be done right should be taken out of the game.

At the very least there should be a way to skip over the review. It is frustrating watching 3--4 different angles of the most obvious out of bounds or fumble calls.

Also... evey coach in the world sees replays on the big screen before they use a challenge. Why does using instant replay void that chance? That really isnt the issue either...

I see it this way... Reviews are fluff. The cpu code knows if it was a fumble or not 100% of the time, or if players are in/out bounds. The review actually isnt reviewing anything at all. It is 100% fluff.

Get rid of the reviews, makes calls on the field 100% accurate. Call it unrealistic if you want but I have a feeling the game SPECIFICALLY creates fumbles or close plays to show off the fluff review system.
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Re: Why are some plays not reviewable

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did you already select the next play? i thought i was having the problem of not being able to review a call, and i think it was because i selected the next play on the play calling screen, waiting to see if the booth was going to review and then paused it and tried to have it reviewed...

When i would pause during the play calling screen i would be able to review the call... But yeah, it's got a lot of bugs,and annoyances... Reviewable irrelavant plays, getting the call wrong and such
No, I definitely waited as long as I could. I let the "call your play now" go to 0, and still couldnt review it. But it was under 2 mins so it didnt matter anyways.
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reviews are another thing that if arnt going to be done right should be taken out of the game.

At the very least there should be a way to skip over the review. It is frustrating watching 3--4 different angles of the most obvious out of bounds or fumble calls.

Also... evey coach in the world sees replays on the big screen before they use a challenge. Why does using instant replay void that chance? That really isnt the issue either...

I see it this way... Reviews are fluff. The cpu code knows if it was a fumble or not 100% of the time, or if players are in/out bounds. The review actually isnt reviewing anything at all. It is 100% fluff.

Get rid of the reviews, makes calls on the field 100% accurate. Call it unrealistic if you want but I have a feeling the game SPECIFICALLY creates fumbles or close plays to show off the fluff review system.
The purpose of the reviews are to contribute to the simulation of a a football game. I agree the logic (as in, the actual code underneath) for what is questionable and what isn't needs work. And I agree the logic probably knows the truth of the play, but again, the reason why its "pretending" not to know is for the sake of simulation. Some players (like myself) appreciate things like that. It helps make the game feel a little bit more "real" and less robotic. Referees are human beings, they make mistakes. Like it or not, its part of the game of football, a game this series aims to simulate.

If you think about it, the A.I. has the ability to know every call and audible you make on the field. But it has to pretend like it doesn't for the sake of realism. Not many people would be happy if the CPU stuffed the box and brought the heat every time you called a run play, and called the ideal coverage for any pass play.

If you really broaden your scope, you may be surprised how much the A.I. has to "shoot itself in the foot" in order to be fair to the player (and i'm not talking just football games).
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:31 PM   #10
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Re: Why are some plays not reviewable

It seems that some plays are just chalked up to a glitch or something. Like several others, I've had a good game end on a fumble on the goal line, with no ability to challenge, and no booth review. Can be frustrating to most, but I don't let this frustrate me and just take things in stride. The more you get frustrated, the more you lose interest in the game. The game doesn't cheat, or anything of that nature, it is just a matter of how it plays out. Plus, playing calling and human play is a major way games are not "rigged". Believe me, I've tried it. Just calling the exact same plays from one game to the next in the exact same order. No punting, no field goals. Not in dynasty of course, but in play now. You'll see that defensive playing calling, as well as human play calling is a huge determinate. Plus, think about yourself seriously. You might love to pound the ball inside, but one game you decide to throw, throw, throw. It can change things severely.
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