NBA Elite 11 Video: NYC Launch Party - Durant vs. James Gameplay

[SacKings1999]

Quote: Originally Posted by dexvex

rewatching that video theres some obvious issues but I think its more on the lines of what da_czar said about the user can make it look erratic or good depending on skill. I mean comparing this to the 7min video where the guy actually knows what he's doing it looked real smooth and organic..... I really need to see videos from somebody who knows how to play.......

This. But beyond skilled users vs unskilled users... that video looked really rough. I'm hoping that this video was running a very, very, very early build of the game. It almost seems like poor marketing to let people openly record at that event if the build is this early still.

That said, the 7 minute video of one of the developers playing looked great so maybe it really is all about the user control. It's kind of scary though that poor users won't simply result in missed shots or turnovers, but instead chain together hideous looking animations / moves.

I'm still excited for Elite 11!

[dexvex]

Quote: Originally Posted by parkinson

Man...as you know in sports game, the players morphing or whatever is not good at all. Cause they are main objects which you control from the beginning to the end when you play. There are too many reports about them in bb games out there and they are showing us sometimes they kills the game. That's why i am concerning of this effect.

I agree its a problem but its a problem in every game not just sports. crytek are basically the most advanced devs out there and even they can't stop it so its a little unfair to expect 2k/EA to be able to in their sports games......

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by SacKings1999

This. But beyond skilled users vs unskilled users... that video looked really rough. I'm hoping that this video was running a very, very, very early build of the game. It almost seems like poor marketing to let people openly record at that event if the build is this early still. That said, the 7 minute video of one of the developers playing looked great so maybe it really is all about the user control. It's kind of scary though that poor users won't simply result in missed shots or turnovers, but instead chain together hideous looking animations / moves. I'm still excited for Elite 11!

The game doesn't go gold until early september, this was probably alpha, if that.

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by SacKings1999

This. But beyond skilled users vs unskilled users... that video looked really rough. I'm hoping that this video was running a very, very, very early build of the game. It almost seems like poor marketing to let people openly record at that event if the build is this early still. That said, the 7 minute video of one of the developers playing looked great so maybe it really is all about the user control. It's kind of scary though that poor users won't simply result in missed shots or turnovers, but instead chain together hideous looking animations / moves. I'm still excited for Elite 11!

Yes it is going to be interesting because the skill difference could end up making it undesirable to play people who really are not good because it could be just like going to the park and playing with guys who can't play! It's not fun cause they are so Terrible. If the ball is in your left hand and you launch right unless you manually do it the ball stays in your left hand. Amazing control but may not produce great basketball.

[SacKings1999]

Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Czar

If the ball is in your left hand and you launch right unless you manually do it the ball stays in your left hand. Amazing control but may not produce great basketball.

Oh wow, I didn't know they were taking the control THAT far. Could be fun and realistic or like you said, it could ruin the game for playing against casual players because they can't or don't want to micromanage every little thing like that.

[rEAnimator]

Quote: Originally Posted by parkinson

Hate to see morph at 01:05. I know Backbreaker has morph issues also. But...come on, it's a new physics engine. Noway body morph!!! And...from at 01:54 Durant isn't even walking back properly when he is tracing on LeBron. That ice-skating is just awful. Hopefully devs have enough time to improve their engine. I really want EA to step up big this year.

Hey guys, I'm on my laptop at home and for some reason I can't get any youtube videos working so I haven't watched the full clip yet, but I will when I get to work (leaving soon).

However, looking at the screenshot that was posted has already given me some insight into what's going on.

The first thing I can say is that the skating you're seeing (I haven't een the video yet so I'm guessing here) is very likely due to missing animations. I can tell from the screenshot that durant is playing an animation to go one way while the underlying physics system is moving him in another. The hint for me is how straight his leg is and the awkward angle of the body.

I could be wrong having nt watched it yet, but I'm pretty sure about that one. If that is the cause I'm not worried at all, it's an easy fix once we have all the data.

The players going through each other is what's bothering me more. Haven't seen that happen in a build for a long time. I'm hoping once I see the vid I can repro it quickly and get a fix in there.

Fortunately we have a whole QA department whose job it is to find these problems, and now that they've seen the video it shouldn't be long before I have a bug written up for this.

I can tell you that if I can get someone to reproduce this at my desk in ANT it will be a relatively simple 2-3 hour fix. One of the benefits of the tools we're using this year.

So bear with me, it's a little embarassing being my feature and all, but rest assured there's more than enough time to sort some of these problems out.

One of the dangers of releasing videos of early builds is that you might turn people off the game, but the big benefit is that you get early feedback and reaction so you can make the game better and what people want.

I think the risk is worth the benefit, so all I ask is that you try the demo when it comes out and judge us based on that. But use this opportunity to point out the things that bother you so we can fix them (and the things you like so we make sure to keep them).

And real quick, to Da_Czar, great writeup. Very well informed and well written. Looking forward to hearing more from you in the future.

[MrSimCity]

Stayed away from talking about visuals im my initial E3 impressions column mainly because they say it's still an "early" build. It didn't look too pretty though to be honest as you can see.

But as far as animations and player movement, the reduction of canned animations and more user controls can make for some very quirky visuals if the user doesn't get the hang of it.

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by SacKings1999

Oh wow, I didn't know they were taking the control THAT far. Could be fun and realistic or like you said, it could ruin the game for playing against casual players because they can't or don't want to micromanage every little thing like that.

Sac the control is SERIOUS ! you know I'm ALL for SIM all day and I was like dang this might be too much control. LOL not necessarily for us here but for the general public LOL.

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by dexvex

so czar I heard you were at the event. Any impressions?

And how did you "hear" that ? I was incognito !!! no beard or nuthin...LOL

[gmac0322]

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

That was the Wii Version? They were holding Wii Wi-motes!

I think we are the only ones that noticed that. lol